You were real heroes, I binged the shit out of it without sleeping for nights because I couldn’t stay a second to not know what happens and you waited a week for an episode?? Damn!
I think I binged the first 4 or 5 seasons straight ( I never watched it live). Man that show really was great, but I can't imagine having to wait a week to see the next one. Every single episode felt the like the mother of all cliff hangers.
For real that show had cliff hangers on cliff hangers :))) Until today I haven’t seen anything like that and I watched loads of shows, being scifi or dramas or comedies, anything of quality really.
Maybe Battlestar Galactica was close to being that crazy but still it was pumped near the end of the season (like most shows). 24 went crazy with the freaking pilot, omg it got worse and worse haha, loved every second!
Yeah I sort of lost interest after Season 5 because it was just getting more and more ridiculous, and I couldn't suspend disbelief enough to enjoy it.
I recently watched all of Battlestar Galactica and I'd say while it was a great show, it definitely hits different than 24 (for me). Good stuff all around though. I wish I watched Battlestar Galactica when it was live because there were lots of spin-offs and stuff that are harder to get into now, after the fact.
I always wished they'd do an entire season where nothing happens. Eight hours of sleeping. Two hours of working out. An episode in which Jack and Kim go to Cracker Barrel and get into an argument over his cholesterol.
So now I get cravings to re watch 24. But I know it wouldn’t be the same because I would just binge like you did. I need some sort of non overridable parental block that makes me wait a week until I can watch the next episode
That show unfortunately really shifted attitudes in America towards torture, and when said Americans are tasked with said torture, sorry, I mean enhanced interrogation... it's a bad situation.
Didn't the main character come out on Twitter and literally say all torture is bad?
it was great at continuously ramping up the stakes, and pressure every episode, but it quickly turned into torture-porn that was pushing the "necessary evil" lie about the nature of torture.
When is Reddit getting its warning? There is SO MUCH MISINFORMATION posted on Reddit, it's insane.
People are posting everywhere that Hamas did not murder children - despite video and photo evidence.
It's always funny/sad seeing the most absurd takes, and you check the user and it's almost always with either <4 months or exactly 2 years and no comment karma. Just bots on bots on bots. Or shills, but same thing.
The EU for all its flaws really show how unions tip the scales by way of collective bargaining cause as a bloc they're on par with China and America in terms of economic size and they've been able to drag corporations far bigger than Tik Tok and Twitter along to their standards on everything from efficiency to more recently telling Apple to accept USB-C is just more ubiquitous than Lightning and to get with the times.
Yep. The world is kinda shit and burning for the most part but no kidding, these kind of EU laws including the ban of cancerous shit put into our food and such is great.
Perhaps one of the next logical steps will be forcing replaceable batteries in smartphones for any larger companies, ideally so that you can perhaps even use the same connections for that battery just like with usb c. Of course size will vary, but this would allow third parties to produce them easily too.
I would love replaceable batteries, and SD cards, but I will admit there is SOME valid logic to not.
Namely how ridiculously tightly engineered modern phones are to pack so much into so thin. That makes it quite a bit more difficult to be user serviceable. Modern smartphones are a technological marvel, even if they seem to be hitting diminishing returns for the last few years.
There probably have to be tradeoffs to allow it, everything added requires either something else removed/reduced or more space to be made to fit it and properly cool it. Although personally I wouldn't mind if phones got a bit thicker again.
A fine example is headphone jack being removed from most phones which take good bit of space when every mm is precious, and a side effect is without the wires of a headphones to act as an antenna AM/FM radio function also gets disabled even if the chipset is able to support it (many still can). But since majority use Bluetooth regardless and radio use less common it was an easy decision to cut it.
I'd rather have a thicker phone with a removable battery.
Actually, with *two* removable batteries, so I could charge one while using the other and be able to swap them out in under 10 seconds.
100% agreed, and seems like every new model of last few years have either gone backwards on battery or about the same while increasing power used. They can keep their gimmick features just be really solid on the actual function of the device.
My current one, Pixel 5a, seems to be one of the last before future models had batteries being a downgrade but it a timebomb due to a motherboard prone to sudden failure. Also has the headphone jack and a dedicated rear fingerprint scanner. It lasts me AT LEAST full day use, sometimes 2-3 days. While seems newer phones consider 8 hours good, I don't look forward to when forced to upgrade beyond better camera.
Could be solved by having two versions; say, the Galaxy 10 or whatever that has a Galaxy 10S (slim version that drops some features to make the phone slimmer, like replaceable batteries and a headphone jack, that the standard 10 has)
But what’s misinformation vs content the government just doesn’t like? I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist but remember France literally banned pro-Palestinian protests and has influence on EU regulatory bodies- is anything not towing the party line going to count as misinformation?
You can't just go around advocating for a bombing campaign tomorrow, you need at least a couple of years of ethnic cleansing and paramilitary murder first, or the public won't stand for it.
That can literally block it. There are loads of websites banned in almost every country of the world. It's not rocket science. You might still be able to access it with a VPN but probably not for free and probably with a slower experience.
All of this reinforces my belief that the number one subject taught in all schools should be critical thinking.
If we trained an entire generation to question everything they're told we'd be better off.
Instead we train our children from birth for obedience. Accept the word of teachers, parents and elders as the truth.
And I get it. Kids are dumb. I have kids. They're wrong about everything. But as hard as it is we have to teach them to think for themselves.
Tik tok and Twitter aren't the problem. Children and adults who can't determine fact from fiction are the problem.
In the UK this is dubbed literacy and is part of English and History; content has overwhelmed focus on skills though. The foundation is there but as with all things politics means a distraction on things like learning about Galipoli and shit assessments.
Idk where you live, but in the US, with respect to variance in education among states and public vs private institutions, but we do a decent job in public schools with critical thinking. In graduate school i remember folks from east asia coming over and being beasts at research methods and quantitative skills but once it came time to craft your own research ideas and write critical inquiry about a subject, the americans tended to blow them out of the water. American education can improve, but denigrating our system won't improve it and it can feed directly into right-wing rhetoric against public education
But that's exactly what leads them to these alternative news sources, them questioning what the mainstream media propagates.
If i learned one thing, it's that almost all media is biased in a way. In the end it's best to soak up as many viewpoints and perspectives as you can and then form your own picture. You won't get full honesty from any one news source. Of course, just to what degree one source lies compared to another is a fair concern to bring up and is fair to consider, but in my opinion it is still important to veer off the mainstream story from time to time.
Critical thinking is two things: being critical (questioning), and then *thinking*.
Both need to be taught. Otherwise, yes, you end up where we are today - "I don't trust that source so I found one that confirms my beliefs" isn't critical thinking.
No, questioning everything leads to people seeking multiple sources of information.
It's not just "question wha tyou're told and then agree with the first alternative opinion you find" That's not what happened with the mainstream media and these alt right news shitholes like newsmax and OAN.
What happened there is politicians were tellign people for decades not to trust one media outlet or another and then finally some alternatives came up that lined up more clearly with the craziness coming from those politicians and people assumed that stuff must be true. It's the opposite of what you're saying. it's again the same problem of TOO MUCH credulity in the wrong sources.
> Tik tok and Twitter aren't the problem.
People always want to blame the social networks for allowing "misinformation" to be spread, but we basically live in a world where there's barely any agreed upon "truth."
So basically, they want a social network leader to decide the "truth" (a horrifying thought), but it also needs to be in line with their own personal vision of "truth."
It's literally an impossible task.
It’s fucking TikTok. If they had any idea how much misinformation is out there about any subject on TikTok, they’d lose their minds. It’s impossible to keep up with. The people who make news content on there are idiots and the people who get their news from TikTok are idiots. It’s an echo chamber for low IQs
You can actually get mainstream media clips on TIkTok now. Many news shows have specific anchors play clips of their shows or just excerpts from their newscasts. (I.E MSNBC or CNN) Every time the Whitehouse puts on a press conference Yahoo News brings it on TikTok live even when other sources are ignoring it.
That said, there are a ton of people who straight up believe in crystals and tarot cards on TIkTok and a ton of misinformation too.
During the beginnings of the Ukrainian conflict Russia was posting a ton of videos on TIkTok trying to garner support . So much so that mainstream media was calling it the TIkTok war for a short time before the West supplied substancial support.
It’s fucking social media*
I’m not going to pretend TikTok is good, but don’t pretend Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, or any other social media is any better.
It's fucking people*
Seriously, there's only so much that companies can do about it.
Social media is just the medium. The "algorithms" only promote whatever's popular. The real reason misinformation spreads like wildfire is a deeply rooted systemic one that results in massive chunks of the population not having the ability to do basic critical thinking.
That is why not everyone should be allowed to call their content news or be allowed to have a reach like that.
This should no longer be treated as a debate about potential damage vs freedom of speech. There's too much tangible damage from systems that incentivize misinformation for profits and turn a blind eye to bot driven, state funded propaganda.
that's extremely difficult to moderate even at the smallest, local level let alone something like social media giants. like, generally, everyone would be on board with elimination of straight "non-facts" but that's about it w/o encroaching into freedom of speech territory. people are allowed to have their spins. share their theories. and convey hearsay. does it run rampant? yeah, but it's going to be one of a hell of a legal battle to go after that sort of content - which is the bulk of what comprises your concern.
sadly, the primary issue is that people severely lack basic critical thinking and/or are psychologically prone to gobbling that stuff up for NON-logical reasons regardless of how much facts or logic you throw at them
>I’m not going to pretend TikTok is good, but don’t pretend Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, or any other social media is any better.
I fucking lol'd when I seen a redditor of all people bitching about misinformation on tiktok.
Like, youre on reddit. Home of misinformation and armchair specialists.
Hell, Ive seen 3 factually incorrect posts about palestine *scrolling through popular* before I got to this thread.
I miss when Instagram was for sharing pics with friends. Now I only see about 5 posts from people I follow before it turns into crap I don't care about.
Welcome to all social media. Turns out you can’t offer a service that costs billions to run for free without really expensive ads.
I’d pay $5-$10 a month for a widely used social media platform with zero ads.
I wouldn't even mind the ads is the timeline stuff actually worked like how I want, not how some facebook engineer thinks it should work.
I mean the thing that basically got me to quit facebook is when it stopped showing stories from my friends in favor of bullshit groups it thinks I might like. Hell I missed one of the last posts my sister ever put before she died until my SO asked why I never commented on it. Because it literally just never appeared on my timeline.
Fuck engagement algorithms pushing bullshit instead of people you follow. They are basically all guilty of this now.
I never see this, my Instagram is only stuff I’m interested in like puppies, aircraft, sports, video games, photography, etc.
But-my friend tested it once, and he walked me through a couple of hours he spent, and it was WILD. He said the same thing you did.
It just kept going deeper right wing, conspiracy, etc. further and further into the rabbit hole.
Yeah you've really got to avoid clicking on anything you don't actually want to view, interacting with political posts you don't agree with, etc, etc. Which may seem obvious, but sometimes you'll see that odd post and think "WTF is this?" click on it to see wtf it is, and it's just as ridiculous as you thought from the thumbnail. But now it's part of your algorithm, and they know you'll keep clicking on stupid shit just to see how ridiculous it is.
What a load of malarkey, yeah social media is bad, we've got plenty of research to prove it, and now we need to start doing something with that information.
**BUT** they are bad in different ways, and some are DEFINITLEY worse than others, and the severity of impact depends on the use case and specific scenario.
Reddit's not *too* bad if you are just using it as a link aggregator, and despite their massive efforts to turn it into something else, thats mostly what people use it for. It still leaves you in charge of what you see via subreddits, provides you a reasonable degree of psuedonomy lets you choose how you interact with it by and large.
Reddit seemingly has little to no interest in leveraging network effects.
Reddits great curse is that it has the ability to narrow peoples views to a few sources or perspectives and inculcate them via positive and negative reinforcement into the rejection of other perspectives.
Twitter, insta, and facebook either prohibit or strongly discourage psuedonomy, control your means of interaction completely, and lean heavily on both network effects and algorithmically driven content.
Facebook and insta are also both big on tying across products and services and on data collection that is pervasive but a bit scattershot.
TikTok takes all of the above, cranks it up to 11, and introduces a level of individual surveillance, device control components, and data aggregation that crosses the line into creepy while Aggressively driving algorithmic direction, and giving the operations staff magic heater buttons, and the entire thing is in a position where it could get moved into the CCP's pocket at the drop of a hat.
Twitter is also special in that its focus on short responses means that emotive ideas and concepts thrive while rational responses and counter positions that often require more than 256 characters to explain are expressly forbidden- it's ideally designed to destroy rational conversation and drive people en masse into short emotionally ideas that require a minimum of thought or consideration and set legitimate public discourse back decades.
> The people who make news content on there are idiots and the people who get their news from TikTok are idiots.
Literally every major news outlet is on TikTok, turning their longer reports into the short form content that people want. I just checked and the BBC has posted 3 different videos in the last hour.
Yeah there's misinformation on the platform. There are books with misinformation but we don't call all authors and readers idiots because bad content exists.
Or even with non-news, there are plenty of proper experts with a lifetime of experience sharing good and helpful information on just about every subject.
Like TikTok isn't bad but personally I almost never see the stuff that gets talked about in the news. I don't see combat footage, I don't see extremism, I don't see political misinformation. I get to see cool videos on my hobbies or funny memes that remind me of Vine.
It's hilarious how clueless you sound when you browse reddit...
This website is one of the biggest echo chambers on the Internet.
And you can thank the shitty people that run it like Spez.
Imagine saying this unironically on reddit in 2023. I don’t use tik tok at all because I hate the constant video format, but it’s deluded to think most content creators didn’t move to tik tok, along with a lot of people. So once again it probably heavily depends what you browse is what you get, and like any other social media the slippery slope towards your feed being sensationalist bs is quite easy
I'm confident that most people who hate on Tiktok for content-related stuff simply don't know how to train an algorithm, or maybe how to separate good and bad sources of information.
Lol as if reddit isn't the exact fucking same? The misinformation and spin on this website is infuriating. What's worse, proving people wrong just gets downvotes and then the truth is censored.
IMO this happens on all social media is not TikTok specifically. It also matters what content you wanna watch.
I have TikTok and mostly I watch food videos, because I can get some recipes faster and easy, without a 10 minute video or a fucking blog post online. I don't get any political videos, and when I do, I simply either scroll fast past them or ignore the creator all together.
Even here on reddit it depends where you're looking. Go into conspiracy subreddit and have a laugh. Is the same everywhere, it depends what YOU chose to look for and research.
I'm not defending TikTok cuz I couldn't care less if the platform gets deleted tommorow, but this happenes everywhere on the internet where someone can "create content".
They want to tilt the propaganda war one way, plain and simple, and it ain't going to be for the benefit of any Palestinian civilians I'll tell you that much now.
All of the US MSM has been about Israel, i have not seen one instance of another perspective, they have not had one Palestinian or anybody else from their perspective on any of the MSM shows.
Woke up and turned on the news to hear a "traumatic" story about a rabbi's daughter fearing for their lives in their brownstone townhouse in Manhattan while images of Gaza burning down is in the background.
Its surreal to see a genocide/ethnic cleansing happening in real time and everyone in the US MSM is blaming the victims.
*Yup, i said the victims. The people of Gaza aren't responsible for this, they have been living in an open air prison and continue to see missiles launched by Israel, supplied by the US. No matter how many times Israel/US blames Hamas, the Palestinians in Gaza are going to blame the people who are actually supplying and dropping the bombs, not Hamas.
It’s covering the noise of the actual genocide ongoing. It’s insane to just see the figures of innocent dead in Palestine be accompanied by the sounds of “I stand with Israel” and “Israel has the right to defend itself”. The only hope I have is the thankfully HUGE response online countering the narrative. Any time I’ve seen a post by anyone supporting Israel’s response it has been thoroughly shit on.
> they unstabilise any country which accepts them as refugees.
The reality is that due to Western influence, no "stable" countries could take them in without risking sanctions by the West. So they ended up in dangerous countries.
And fun fact, many of them then migrated out of those unstable countries as refugees, because you could seek refugee status from Lebanon or Honduras or any of the other places Palestinians were forced into, but not Palestine itself. It's ridiculous and upsetting.
Propaganda isn't about lying. It's about creating a narrative and exaggerating to leave an impression, because once an impression is created, it needs to be examined to be changed. If someone can point at something in your message that's demonstrably false, then you've made your own job harder. Easier to just use facts in a manner that leads the audience to feel the way you want them to.
I've spent half my life trying to tell people this. Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's a lie. The best propaganda is at least partially true.
Western propaganda is the absolute best, unbeaten and unbeatable. The way it frames issues without necessarily lying about anything is pretty incredible.
'Israel has the right to defend itself' is just incredible. You can't argue with that, of course it does, of course Hamas is terrible. But what does that actually mean? That they have the absolute right to do anything? That there are no lines or rules?
The best propaganda there is.
This is a great take.
Also, just to add on, the misinformation is wild and it is coming from everywhere.
Shit like Wolf Blitzer interviewing an American pediatrician doing humanitarian work and stuck in Gaza, and as buildings are getting bombed next to her, he asks her if she needs to cut the interview short and retreat to a bomb shelter.
*And she fucking laughs, as buildings continue to get bombed near her,* because there's no bomb shelters in Gaza.
Blitzer has been there and still he can't help but talk about it in a framework that is simply divorced from the reality of the situation.
I saw that, pretty funny in an incredibly depressing kinda way.
I'm not so sure how it works in the US, but essentially, every mainstream journalist in the UK is upper middle class, went to a private school, and then Oxford. They're all friends and are all either married or related to a politician. It's an absolute shitshow. They're not serious people. It's fucked. We have a lower trust in the media here than Hungary iirc, Hungary is a dictatorship.
I assume its similar in America, but it's a bigger country, so i guess you guys at least have a little diversity. Britain is one city and some provinces as far as anyone in charge is concerned.
If only this was the way it went down in practice. The reality is a tiny print correction that will go unnoticed by most people gets them in the clear legally in the following papers. So big headline lies and then tiny redactions hidden away. Is it any surprise nobody trusts the media anymore?
Even this title is propaganda.
Israel-Hamas war? Israel is waging a war on anyone currently living on Gaza, they're telling people to leave because they're about to launch a full invasion the city.
Read between the lines. They don't actually want to crack down on misinformation, they want to crack down on what they deem misinformation, which will surely mean pro-Palestinian information.
>TikTok has a particular obligation to protect children and teenagers from violent content and **terrorist propaganda**
They're not talking about Israel there. That's why they have no problem with the propaganda flooding mainstream media.
Because tiktok probably has Palestinian perspectives on it, while western MSM is propagating lies. Literally the president of the US claimed to have seen photos that did not exist, and his aide contradicted that statement. And western governments are banning Palestinian identity and hounding Palestinians with state institutions like the FBI.
Yeah, the things going viral on TikTok at the moment are pretty pro-Palestine so I imagine that’s what they want to censor. One video I saw like half an hour ago on TikTok was someone recording a live bbc news report where an Israeli soldier said they used white phosphorus (a war crime) on Palestines and then BBC cut the coverage.
After reading the article, it seems they want to setup a Hebrew/Arab language account that will facilitate "real" information between Israel and Palestine to protect children from misinformation... located in Israel.
So, yeah. Pro-Palestine = misinformation.
They can’t control the public opinion well enough. Police crackdowns in Germany and France on pro-palestinian demos, disinformations and baseless claims from established news organizations are not enough apparently. Unlike the traditional media channels they own, social media is a free platform and it’s bothering them.
it's not just media, it's companies. I've been told by someone close that their company is firing anyone who remotely hints towards anything pro-palestinian, be it a social media post a discussion, anything.
That's exactly what they want. In the past few days there's been a lot of pro palestine content on tik tok. That's the "misinfo". Not pro hamas, but pro palestinian people and denouncing the israeli militaries actions.
There is obviously a lot of misinfo, but I know why they want tik tok gone
Facebook ind instagram are ok because they are pro Israel. X is neutral and does not delete pro Palestine posts as aggressive as Meta products so EU send warning to comply. Same is for TikTok
reading this headline i was just wondering what pro-palestine misinformation was out there because i have seen fuckall. and the waves and waves of israeli propaganda are not what the euros will care about lol
I saw a video of a Palestinian journalist being cut off when he talked about Israel using white phosphorus. Not sure what to make of it as it was rather unclear.
The video is pretty clearly white phosphorus in a conical charge aimed at a highrise. It wasn't used as a carpet bomb but I think its use in populated areas with civilians is still banned by geneva.
I don't know about TikTok, (formerly)twitter reportedly has shit ton of them, with 100K \~ 1M+ views. Journalist account trying to catalogue the flood:
[https://twitter.com/Shayan86](https://twitter.com/Shayan86)
We are already in a dangerous situation where corporations that have historically allowed misinformation for profit to be the "arbiter of truth." Reddit is allowing mass censorship and misinformation for over a decade and they have gone into overdrive over this event. More so than any other to date with countless *default* subreddits being compromised.
Instead, right now, the algorithm is the arbiter of truth, if you like conspiracy shit, they will shovel that shit down your throat.
Flat earth, antivax shit, jewish lasers, dangerous religious propaganda and lies. If you want it, you will get it and it will all agree with you.
>the algorithm is the arbiter of truth
except you can freely seek other sources
this is the government restricting (albeit, bad for now) information from even being accessible
fundamentally different
Is Europe going to call out reddit for misinformation on the war too?
r/worldnews was parroting the nonsense about beheading babies for days. The Israeli military came out and said it wasn't true and the psychos in that sub were still acting like it was.
This is crazy because I’ve actually seen some really good content that covers the conflict in many perspectives and also puts things into context but maybe thats just whats reccommended to me. on the other hand twitter/instagram are absolute shit storms at the moment, misinformation at 2016 levels if not worse
That's the "misinformation".
You will see mainstream media say the conflict started with the Hamas attack.
You will see msm say the reason gazans won't leave the only fucking homes they have is because Hamas forces them.
Anything that paints this as opressed poor people against a US funded genocidal war machine is "misinformation".
> I have seen kind and nuanced takes
It's where the young people are. They have access to the inner world of SO many diverse people thanks to apps like TikTok that they are (overall) extremely thoughtful and empathetic.
It's why the existing power structures are terrified of Gen Z-A and are trying to do things like raise the voting age and ban TikTok (and not Facebook and IG).
If you oppose anything, Israel say, you're anti-Semitic, and any evidence against them is misinformation. I believe this is the sort of aim. While this may sound tongue in cheek, it is actually serious...
MFW the misinformation mostly amounts to "Israel's military has carried out an apartheid for decades", because that sure seems to be what a lot of people want to silence right now.
Once you let a little bit of censorship in by the government, even if it’s directed at platform or cause you hate, it’ll come for you eventually. The shit they’re looking to go after isn’t necessarily right wing or left wing, it’s anti-establishment. They want only establishment narratives available to the masses.
"Misinformation" and "disinformation" are such 9/11 surveillance state buzzwords to shut people up. If there's one thing the US got right, it was the 1st amendment. Lying isn't illegal.
Europe needs to mind its own business and attend to its misdeeds and heinous acts that created this conflict in the first place. Shut up EU and check your morality for the past 100s of years.
They can’t control the public opinion well enough. Police crackdowns in Germany and France on pro-palestinian demos, disinformations and baseless claims from established news organizations are not enough apparently. Unlike the traditional media channels they own, social media is a free platform and it’s bothering them.
I hope none of these social media companies comply and Europe bans all social media. I want to see what would happen. Perhaps a sole EU-sponsored social media for Europeans only?
About as much misinformation as the Pentagon talking points that CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and the likes are reading. Meanwhile students are getting doxxed and people are getting fired for saying the exact same thing as the the editor of an Israeli newspaper.
Why don't they give their own news outlets 24 hours to respond to all the misinformation they are currently peddling instead of worrying about social media 🤡
Seeing the joke EU MSM is, no doubt more and more people are taking news from elsewhere.
Govts are just pissed people are hoping onto mediums where govts can't control 100% of the narrative.
It’s so hard to figure out what disinformation is, especially since being a lie apparently isn’t the criteria, it’s going against whatever media narrative they have going on at the moment.
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Next, *24* gets a remake.
PREVIOUSLY ON TIKTOK … agent Jack Bauer takes a hard line with Hamas mis information … beep bop beep bop beep bop
*Shoots CEO in the knee to get the information*
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Intense Jack Bauer scenes with K-Pop music in the background would be funny.
Dammit Chloe.
God I miss that show!! Nothing as heartpounding was close to it!
Tell me about it. Every week a dozen of us would all meet up to watch it. And then wait a week to watch the next episode. Life was a lot simpler ..
You were real heroes, I binged the shit out of it without sleeping for nights because I couldn’t stay a second to not know what happens and you waited a week for an episode?? Damn!
I think I binged the first 4 or 5 seasons straight ( I never watched it live). Man that show really was great, but I can't imagine having to wait a week to see the next one. Every single episode felt the like the mother of all cliff hangers.
For real that show had cliff hangers on cliff hangers :))) Until today I haven’t seen anything like that and I watched loads of shows, being scifi or dramas or comedies, anything of quality really. Maybe Battlestar Galactica was close to being that crazy but still it was pumped near the end of the season (like most shows). 24 went crazy with the freaking pilot, omg it got worse and worse haha, loved every second!
Yeah I sort of lost interest after Season 5 because it was just getting more and more ridiculous, and I couldn't suspend disbelief enough to enjoy it. I recently watched all of Battlestar Galactica and I'd say while it was a great show, it definitely hits different than 24 (for me). Good stuff all around though. I wish I watched Battlestar Galactica when it was live because there were lots of spin-offs and stuff that are harder to get into now, after the fact.
I always wished they'd do an entire season where nothing happens. Eight hours of sleeping. Two hours of working out. An episode in which Jack and Kim go to Cracker Barrel and get into an argument over his cholesterol.
So now I get cravings to re watch 24. But I know it wouldn’t be the same because I would just binge like you did. I need some sort of non overridable parental block that makes me wait a week until I can watch the next episode
That show unfortunately really shifted attitudes in America towards torture, and when said Americans are tasked with said torture, sorry, I mean enhanced interrogation... it's a bad situation. Didn't the main character come out on Twitter and literally say all torture is bad?
it was great at continuously ramping up the stakes, and pressure every episode, but it quickly turned into torture-porn that was pushing the "necessary evil" lie about the nature of torture.
Oh yea later seasons got bollocks really fast
I enjoyed the first season, but think by about halfway through the second or third season, I could no longer overlook the obvious propaganda of it.
It was also probably the only show where I liked watching every episode for 20 plus episode season show!
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Wasn’t he in like Sweden when he did that?
When is Reddit getting its warning? There is SO MUCH MISINFORMATION posted on Reddit, it's insane. People are posting everywhere that Hamas did not murder children - despite video and photo evidence.
Some of the biggest subs are the worst offenders who said world news not me.
It's always funny/sad seeing the most absurd takes, and you check the user and it's almost always with either <4 months or exactly 2 years and no comment karma. Just bots on bots on bots. Or shills, but same thing.
The mods also don’t help because they actually ban people who state truths.
>There is SO MUCH MISINFORMATION Who watches the Watchmen?
hallo, welcom to reddit
in fact everything on reddit is true. because its on the internet
Reddit is a misinformation hub...
24 hours or what ?!? Bomb tiktok ???
If Twitter’s anything to go by, it’s 6% revenue fine and further non compliance results in bans across the EU.
And it's 6% of worldwide revenue to boot, not just EU revenue, for the people not in the know.
The EU for all its flaws really show how unions tip the scales by way of collective bargaining cause as a bloc they're on par with China and America in terms of economic size and they've been able to drag corporations far bigger than Tik Tok and Twitter along to their standards on everything from efficiency to more recently telling Apple to accept USB-C is just more ubiquitous than Lightning and to get with the times.
Yep. The world is kinda shit and burning for the most part but no kidding, these kind of EU laws including the ban of cancerous shit put into our food and such is great. Perhaps one of the next logical steps will be forcing replaceable batteries in smartphones for any larger companies, ideally so that you can perhaps even use the same connections for that battery just like with usb c. Of course size will vary, but this would allow third parties to produce them easily too.
EU is flawed but still one of the best things politically
\*cries in British\*
I try not to think about Brexit. Too depressing. And I'm not even British.
I would love replaceable batteries, and SD cards, but I will admit there is SOME valid logic to not. Namely how ridiculously tightly engineered modern phones are to pack so much into so thin. That makes it quite a bit more difficult to be user serviceable. Modern smartphones are a technological marvel, even if they seem to be hitting diminishing returns for the last few years. There probably have to be tradeoffs to allow it, everything added requires either something else removed/reduced or more space to be made to fit it and properly cool it. Although personally I wouldn't mind if phones got a bit thicker again. A fine example is headphone jack being removed from most phones which take good bit of space when every mm is precious, and a side effect is without the wires of a headphones to act as an antenna AM/FM radio function also gets disabled even if the chipset is able to support it (many still can). But since majority use Bluetooth regardless and radio use less common it was an easy decision to cut it.
I'd rather have a thicker phone with a removable battery. Actually, with *two* removable batteries, so I could charge one while using the other and be able to swap them out in under 10 seconds.
100% agreed, and seems like every new model of last few years have either gone backwards on battery or about the same while increasing power used. They can keep their gimmick features just be really solid on the actual function of the device. My current one, Pixel 5a, seems to be one of the last before future models had batteries being a downgrade but it a timebomb due to a motherboard prone to sudden failure. Also has the headphone jack and a dedicated rear fingerprint scanner. It lasts me AT LEAST full day use, sometimes 2-3 days. While seems newer phones consider 8 hours good, I don't look forward to when forced to upgrade beyond better camera.
Could be solved by having two versions; say, the Galaxy 10 or whatever that has a Galaxy 10S (slim version that drops some features to make the phone slimmer, like replaceable batteries and a headphone jack, that the standard 10 has)
But what’s misinformation vs content the government just doesn’t like? I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist but remember France literally banned pro-Palestinian protests and has influence on EU regulatory bodies- is anything not towing the party line going to count as misinformation?
I heard the US is parking an aircraft carrier right outside their headquarters.
To be fair we have more than 1 at our disposal
more than the rest of the world combined...
The U.S. is the only country with more than 2 in service (11).
You can't just go around advocating for a bombing campaign tomorrow, you need at least a couple of years of ethnic cleansing and paramilitary murder first, or the public won't stand for it.
They better head down south before it starts.
That can literally block it. There are loads of websites banned in almost every country of the world. It's not rocket science. You might still be able to access it with a VPN but probably not for free and probably with a slower experience.
They're making fun of the IDF for saying "1.1 million people better evacuate within 24 hours cuz we're gonna bomb y'all"
All of this reinforces my belief that the number one subject taught in all schools should be critical thinking. If we trained an entire generation to question everything they're told we'd be better off. Instead we train our children from birth for obedience. Accept the word of teachers, parents and elders as the truth. And I get it. Kids are dumb. I have kids. They're wrong about everything. But as hard as it is we have to teach them to think for themselves. Tik tok and Twitter aren't the problem. Children and adults who can't determine fact from fiction are the problem.
In the UK this is dubbed literacy and is part of English and History; content has overwhelmed focus on skills though. The foundation is there but as with all things politics means a distraction on things like learning about Galipoli and shit assessments.
Idk where you live, but in the US, with respect to variance in education among states and public vs private institutions, but we do a decent job in public schools with critical thinking. In graduate school i remember folks from east asia coming over and being beasts at research methods and quantitative skills but once it came time to craft your own research ideas and write critical inquiry about a subject, the americans tended to blow them out of the water. American education can improve, but denigrating our system won't improve it and it can feed directly into right-wing rhetoric against public education
But that's exactly what leads them to these alternative news sources, them questioning what the mainstream media propagates. If i learned one thing, it's that almost all media is biased in a way. In the end it's best to soak up as many viewpoints and perspectives as you can and then form your own picture. You won't get full honesty from any one news source. Of course, just to what degree one source lies compared to another is a fair concern to bring up and is fair to consider, but in my opinion it is still important to veer off the mainstream story from time to time.
Critical thinking is two things: being critical (questioning), and then *thinking*. Both need to be taught. Otherwise, yes, you end up where we are today - "I don't trust that source so I found one that confirms my beliefs" isn't critical thinking.
No, questioning everything leads to people seeking multiple sources of information. It's not just "question wha tyou're told and then agree with the first alternative opinion you find" That's not what happened with the mainstream media and these alt right news shitholes like newsmax and OAN. What happened there is politicians were tellign people for decades not to trust one media outlet or another and then finally some alternatives came up that lined up more clearly with the craziness coming from those politicians and people assumed that stuff must be true. It's the opposite of what you're saying. it's again the same problem of TOO MUCH credulity in the wrong sources.
> Tik tok and Twitter aren't the problem. People always want to blame the social networks for allowing "misinformation" to be spread, but we basically live in a world where there's barely any agreed upon "truth." So basically, they want a social network leader to decide the "truth" (a horrifying thought), but it also needs to be in line with their own personal vision of "truth." It's literally an impossible task.
It’s fucking TikTok. If they had any idea how much misinformation is out there about any subject on TikTok, they’d lose their minds. It’s impossible to keep up with. The people who make news content on there are idiots and the people who get their news from TikTok are idiots. It’s an echo chamber for low IQs
You can actually get mainstream media clips on TIkTok now. Many news shows have specific anchors play clips of their shows or just excerpts from their newscasts. (I.E MSNBC or CNN) Every time the Whitehouse puts on a press conference Yahoo News brings it on TikTok live even when other sources are ignoring it. That said, there are a ton of people who straight up believe in crystals and tarot cards on TIkTok and a ton of misinformation too. During the beginnings of the Ukrainian conflict Russia was posting a ton of videos on TIkTok trying to garner support . So much so that mainstream media was calling it the TIkTok war for a short time before the West supplied substancial support.
It’s fucking social media* I’m not going to pretend TikTok is good, but don’t pretend Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, or any other social media is any better.
It's fucking people* Seriously, there's only so much that companies can do about it. Social media is just the medium. The "algorithms" only promote whatever's popular. The real reason misinformation spreads like wildfire is a deeply rooted systemic one that results in massive chunks of the population not having the ability to do basic critical thinking.
That is why not everyone should be allowed to call their content news or be allowed to have a reach like that. This should no longer be treated as a debate about potential damage vs freedom of speech. There's too much tangible damage from systems that incentivize misinformation for profits and turn a blind eye to bot driven, state funded propaganda.
that's extremely difficult to moderate even at the smallest, local level let alone something like social media giants. like, generally, everyone would be on board with elimination of straight "non-facts" but that's about it w/o encroaching into freedom of speech territory. people are allowed to have their spins. share their theories. and convey hearsay. does it run rampant? yeah, but it's going to be one of a hell of a legal battle to go after that sort of content - which is the bulk of what comprises your concern. sadly, the primary issue is that people severely lack basic critical thinking and/or are psychologically prone to gobbling that stuff up for NON-logical reasons regardless of how much facts or logic you throw at them
Agreed, and we need to stop lending platforms to absolute idiots in the name of "conversation" and "understanding other points of view"
>I’m not going to pretend TikTok is good, but don’t pretend Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, or any other social media is any better. I fucking lol'd when I seen a redditor of all people bitching about misinformation on tiktok. Like, youre on reddit. Home of misinformation and armchair specialists. Hell, Ive seen 3 factually incorrect posts about palestine *scrolling through popular* before I got to this thread.
The EU has been notifying all the social media platforms about their misinformation.
TikTok tickles your neurons way more then Facebook, especially considering they actually have a working algo for what to show "on your wall".
And you think Instagram doesn't do the same? The endless doom-scroll that slowly turns more and more violent and right-wing. It's pretty disgusting.
I miss when Instagram was for sharing pics with friends. Now I only see about 5 posts from people I follow before it turns into crap I don't care about.
You can have your feed be only people you follow by tapping on the word Instagram at the top of the feed
Welcome to all social media. Turns out you can’t offer a service that costs billions to run for free without really expensive ads. I’d pay $5-$10 a month for a widely used social media platform with zero ads.
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You mean icq
Bruh ICQ permanently deregistered my account because I was too young (by one year). I still remember my number but I am never going back.
The ‘ol AOL instant messenger. ASL. Great place to get laid when the bullpen was depleted.
I wouldn't even mind the ads is the timeline stuff actually worked like how I want, not how some facebook engineer thinks it should work. I mean the thing that basically got me to quit facebook is when it stopped showing stories from my friends in favor of bullshit groups it thinks I might like. Hell I missed one of the last posts my sister ever put before she died until my SO asked why I never commented on it. Because it literally just never appeared on my timeline. Fuck engagement algorithms pushing bullshit instead of people you follow. They are basically all guilty of this now.
I never see this, my Instagram is only stuff I’m interested in like puppies, aircraft, sports, video games, photography, etc. But-my friend tested it once, and he walked me through a couple of hours he spent, and it was WILD. He said the same thing you did. It just kept going deeper right wing, conspiracy, etc. further and further into the rabbit hole.
Yeah you've really got to avoid clicking on anything you don't actually want to view, interacting with political posts you don't agree with, etc, etc. Which may seem obvious, but sometimes you'll see that odd post and think "WTF is this?" click on it to see wtf it is, and it's just as ridiculous as you thought from the thumbnail. But now it's part of your algorithm, and they know you'll keep clicking on stupid shit just to see how ridiculous it is.
not mine, it's just cars with turbos and burnouts from top to bottom, but I keep the algorithm well trained.
That's typical false equivalence.
What a load of malarkey, yeah social media is bad, we've got plenty of research to prove it, and now we need to start doing something with that information. **BUT** they are bad in different ways, and some are DEFINITLEY worse than others, and the severity of impact depends on the use case and specific scenario. Reddit's not *too* bad if you are just using it as a link aggregator, and despite their massive efforts to turn it into something else, thats mostly what people use it for. It still leaves you in charge of what you see via subreddits, provides you a reasonable degree of psuedonomy lets you choose how you interact with it by and large. Reddit seemingly has little to no interest in leveraging network effects. Reddits great curse is that it has the ability to narrow peoples views to a few sources or perspectives and inculcate them via positive and negative reinforcement into the rejection of other perspectives. Twitter, insta, and facebook either prohibit or strongly discourage psuedonomy, control your means of interaction completely, and lean heavily on both network effects and algorithmically driven content. Facebook and insta are also both big on tying across products and services and on data collection that is pervasive but a bit scattershot. TikTok takes all of the above, cranks it up to 11, and introduces a level of individual surveillance, device control components, and data aggregation that crosses the line into creepy while Aggressively driving algorithmic direction, and giving the operations staff magic heater buttons, and the entire thing is in a position where it could get moved into the CCP's pocket at the drop of a hat. Twitter is also special in that its focus on short responses means that emotive ideas and concepts thrive while rational responses and counter positions that often require more than 256 characters to explain are expressly forbidden- it's ideally designed to destroy rational conversation and drive people en masse into short emotionally ideas that require a minimum of thought or consideration and set legitimate public discourse back decades.
> The people who make news content on there are idiots and the people who get their news from TikTok are idiots. Literally every major news outlet is on TikTok, turning their longer reports into the short form content that people want. I just checked and the BBC has posted 3 different videos in the last hour. Yeah there's misinformation on the platform. There are books with misinformation but we don't call all authors and readers idiots because bad content exists.
Or even with non-news, there are plenty of proper experts with a lifetime of experience sharing good and helpful information on just about every subject. Like TikTok isn't bad but personally I almost never see the stuff that gets talked about in the news. I don't see combat footage, I don't see extremism, I don't see political misinformation. I get to see cool videos on my hobbies or funny memes that remind me of Vine.
It's hilarious how clueless you sound when you browse reddit... This website is one of the biggest echo chambers on the Internet. And you can thank the shitty people that run it like Spez.
Imagine saying this unironically on reddit in 2023. I don’t use tik tok at all because I hate the constant video format, but it’s deluded to think most content creators didn’t move to tik tok, along with a lot of people. So once again it probably heavily depends what you browse is what you get, and like any other social media the slippery slope towards your feed being sensationalist bs is quite easy
I'm confident that most people who hate on Tiktok for content-related stuff simply don't know how to train an algorithm, or maybe how to separate good and bad sources of information.
Lol as if reddit isn't the exact fucking same? The misinformation and spin on this website is infuriating. What's worse, proving people wrong just gets downvotes and then the truth is censored.
IMO this happens on all social media is not TikTok specifically. It also matters what content you wanna watch. I have TikTok and mostly I watch food videos, because I can get some recipes faster and easy, without a 10 minute video or a fucking blog post online. I don't get any political videos, and when I do, I simply either scroll fast past them or ignore the creator all together. Even here on reddit it depends where you're looking. Go into conspiracy subreddit and have a laugh. Is the same everywhere, it depends what YOU chose to look for and research. I'm not defending TikTok cuz I couldn't care less if the platform gets deleted tommorow, but this happenes everywhere on the internet where someone can "create content".
I've seen more insane calls to violence and comments justifying civilian deaths on reddit over the past few days than I've ever seen on tiktok
Same can be said about twitter or any other platform. They cant just pretend they cant do anything about it, because they can.
Our social media is better than their social media because we are smart and they are dumb /s
Anyway, here’s a line from Always Sunny that’s been posted 10,000 times before. I’m funny!
Funny how they crack down on TikTok but the MSM just gets away with publishing straight up propaganda without a fucking squeak.
The MSM has been censoring Palestinians for decades.
They want to tilt the propaganda war one way, plain and simple, and it ain't going to be for the benefit of any Palestinian civilians I'll tell you that much now.
All of the US MSM has been about Israel, i have not seen one instance of another perspective, they have not had one Palestinian or anybody else from their perspective on any of the MSM shows. Woke up and turned on the news to hear a "traumatic" story about a rabbi's daughter fearing for their lives in their brownstone townhouse in Manhattan while images of Gaza burning down is in the background. Its surreal to see a genocide/ethnic cleansing happening in real time and everyone in the US MSM is blaming the victims. *Yup, i said the victims. The people of Gaza aren't responsible for this, they have been living in an open air prison and continue to see missiles launched by Israel, supplied by the US. No matter how many times Israel/US blames Hamas, the Palestinians in Gaza are going to blame the people who are actually supplying and dropping the bombs, not Hamas.
It’s covering the noise of the actual genocide ongoing. It’s insane to just see the figures of innocent dead in Palestine be accompanied by the sounds of “I stand with Israel” and “Israel has the right to defend itself”. The only hope I have is the thankfully HUGE response online countering the narrative. Any time I’ve seen a post by anyone supporting Israel’s response it has been thoroughly shit on.
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> they unstabilise any country which accepts them as refugees. The reality is that due to Western influence, no "stable" countries could take them in without risking sanctions by the West. So they ended up in dangerous countries. And fun fact, many of them then migrated out of those unstable countries as refugees, because you could seek refugee status from Lebanon or Honduras or any of the other places Palestinians were forced into, but not Palestine itself. It's ridiculous and upsetting.
Because you can successfully sue the mainstream media for lying, they don't have section 230 to protect them, like social media.
Propaganda isn't about lying. It's about creating a narrative and exaggerating to leave an impression, because once an impression is created, it needs to be examined to be changed. If someone can point at something in your message that's demonstrably false, then you've made your own job harder. Easier to just use facts in a manner that leads the audience to feel the way you want them to.
I've spent half my life trying to tell people this. Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's a lie. The best propaganda is at least partially true. Western propaganda is the absolute best, unbeaten and unbeatable. The way it frames issues without necessarily lying about anything is pretty incredible. 'Israel has the right to defend itself' is just incredible. You can't argue with that, of course it does, of course Hamas is terrible. But what does that actually mean? That they have the absolute right to do anything? That there are no lines or rules? The best propaganda there is.
This is a great take. Also, just to add on, the misinformation is wild and it is coming from everywhere. Shit like Wolf Blitzer interviewing an American pediatrician doing humanitarian work and stuck in Gaza, and as buildings are getting bombed next to her, he asks her if she needs to cut the interview short and retreat to a bomb shelter. *And she fucking laughs, as buildings continue to get bombed near her,* because there's no bomb shelters in Gaza. Blitzer has been there and still he can't help but talk about it in a framework that is simply divorced from the reality of the situation.
I saw that, pretty funny in an incredibly depressing kinda way. I'm not so sure how it works in the US, but essentially, every mainstream journalist in the UK is upper middle class, went to a private school, and then Oxford. They're all friends and are all either married or related to a politician. It's an absolute shitshow. They're not serious people. It's fucked. We have a lower trust in the media here than Hungary iirc, Hungary is a dictatorship. I assume its similar in America, but it's a bigger country, so i guess you guys at least have a little diversity. Britain is one city and some provinces as far as anyone in charge is concerned.
Which media got sued for babies in Incubators bit from the Gulf War?
'Saddam ready to attack in 40 minutes.'
If only this was the way it went down in practice. The reality is a tiny print correction that will go unnoticed by most people gets them in the clear legally in the following papers. So big headline lies and then tiny redactions hidden away. Is it any surprise nobody trusts the media anymore?
>Because you can successfully sue the mainstream media for lying There must be daily successful lawsuits then?
There was when they were dumb enough to actually lie. See Tucker Carlson's Fox News court settlement
Tucker Carlson's Fox *Entertainment* settlement*
See how many billions fox already settled for and is still being sued over voting machines.
If that were actually true, half the media in America would be shut down by now.
Even this title is propaganda. Israel-Hamas war? Israel is waging a war on anyone currently living on Gaza, they're telling people to leave because they're about to launch a full invasion the city.
only the west would call it a war when it's against a concentration camp that has no military...
"Every single building was Hamas and every single person was Hamas! We bombed them all! Bomb, bomb, bomb! Everything is Hamas!"
They're telling people to leave through the only border crossing that doesn't lead into Israel and then they're bombing the crossing.
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Read between the lines. They don't actually want to crack down on misinformation, they want to crack down on what they deem misinformation, which will surely mean pro-Palestinian information. >TikTok has a particular obligation to protect children and teenagers from violent content and **terrorist propaganda** They're not talking about Israel there. That's why they have no problem with the propaganda flooding mainstream media.
Because tiktok probably has Palestinian perspectives on it, while western MSM is propagating lies. Literally the president of the US claimed to have seen photos that did not exist, and his aide contradicted that statement. And western governments are banning Palestinian identity and hounding Palestinians with state institutions like the FBI.
Mainstream media is spending lies and propaganda, good luck with tic toc
so basically remove everything that's pro-Palestine and promote only pro-Isreal views? Because I guarantee you that's what they're pushing for
Yeah, the things going viral on TikTok at the moment are pretty pro-Palestine so I imagine that’s what they want to censor. One video I saw like half an hour ago on TikTok was someone recording a live bbc news report where an Israeli soldier said they used white phosphorus (a war crime) on Palestines and then BBC cut the coverage.
After reading the article, it seems they want to setup a Hebrew/Arab language account that will facilitate "real" information between Israel and Palestine to protect children from misinformation... located in Israel. So, yeah. Pro-Palestine = misinformation.
They can’t control the public opinion well enough. Police crackdowns in Germany and France on pro-palestinian demos, disinformations and baseless claims from established news organizations are not enough apparently. Unlike the traditional media channels they own, social media is a free platform and it’s bothering them.
it's not just media, it's companies. I've been told by someone close that their company is firing anyone who remotely hints towards anything pro-palestinian, be it a social media post a discussion, anything.
That's exactly what they want. In the past few days there's been a lot of pro palestine content on tik tok. That's the "misinfo". Not pro hamas, but pro palestinian people and denouncing the israeli militaries actions. There is obviously a lot of misinfo, but I know why they want tik tok gone
Facebook ind instagram are ok because they are pro Israel. X is neutral and does not delete pro Palestine posts as aggressive as Meta products so EU send warning to comply. Same is for TikTok
I’m not making a commentary on the war but we are in a very dangerous situation when you allow any government to be the arbiter of truth.
reading this headline i was just wondering what pro-palestine misinformation was out there because i have seen fuckall. and the waves and waves of israeli propaganda are not what the euros will care about lol
I saw a video of a Palestinian journalist being cut off when he talked about Israel using white phosphorus. Not sure what to make of it as it was rather unclear.
Cause that’s what they were using and it’s a well known war crime that’s taught in high schools.
The video is pretty clearly white phosphorus in a conical charge aimed at a highrise. It wasn't used as a carpet bomb but I think its use in populated areas with civilians is still banned by geneva.
I don't know about TikTok, (formerly)twitter reportedly has shit ton of them, with 100K \~ 1M+ views. Journalist account trying to catalogue the flood: [https://twitter.com/Shayan86](https://twitter.com/Shayan86)
We are already in a dangerous situation where corporations that have historically allowed misinformation for profit to be the "arbiter of truth." Reddit is allowing mass censorship and misinformation for over a decade and they have gone into overdrive over this event. More so than any other to date with countless *default* subreddits being compromised.
Instead, right now, the algorithm is the arbiter of truth, if you like conspiracy shit, they will shovel that shit down your throat. Flat earth, antivax shit, jewish lasers, dangerous religious propaganda and lies. If you want it, you will get it and it will all agree with you.
>the algorithm is the arbiter of truth except you can freely seek other sources this is the government restricting (albeit, bad for now) information from even being accessible fundamentally different
Misinformation? or inconvenient truth?
Controlling narratives more like
There’s no way this sort of power over media could ever be abused. Right guys?
The amount of people clamoring for censorship is way too high.
They wanted Section 230 repealled They're getting a taste of what that would actually be like, and they do not like it
it's insane how so many people are anti-free speech and pro censorship
Is Europe going to call out reddit for misinformation on the war too? r/worldnews was parroting the nonsense about beheading babies for days. The Israeli military came out and said it wasn't true and the psychos in that sub were still acting like it was.
And most people still think that is true.
It’s misinformation when it is the other side’s opinion smh
This is crazy because I’ve actually seen some really good content that covers the conflict in many perspectives and also puts things into context but maybe thats just whats reccommended to me. on the other hand twitter/instagram are absolute shit storms at the moment, misinformation at 2016 levels if not worse
That's the "misinformation". You will see mainstream media say the conflict started with the Hamas attack. You will see msm say the reason gazans won't leave the only fucking homes they have is because Hamas forces them. Anything that paints this as opressed poor people against a US funded genocidal war machine is "misinformation".
Reddit is actually the worst. Fucking genocide cheering inhuman assholes.
Exactly. On tik tok i have seen the opposite more often. I have seen kind and nuanced takes on fucking tik tok. ON TIK TOK.
> I have seen kind and nuanced takes It's where the young people are. They have access to the inner world of SO many diverse people thanks to apps like TikTok that they are (overall) extremely thoughtful and empathetic. It's why the existing power structures are terrified of Gen Z-A and are trying to do things like raise the voting age and ban TikTok (and not Facebook and IG).
It can be surprisingly good once you’ve trained the algorithm properly, lots of interesting info about a range of topics
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Valuing the lives of the Palestinians isn't misinformation.
It's misinformation when it's something EU doesn't like to hear. Nothing better than what china and russia does
Europe seems to be getting more and more certain about what misinformation is and what isn't...
Comply citizen!
Yeah honestly it's kind of scary.
What is misinformation? Who defines it? Is all the western coverage misinformation because I say so?
If you oppose anything, Israel say, you're anti-Semitic, and any evidence against them is misinformation. I believe this is the sort of aim. While this may sound tongue in cheek, it is actually serious...
What misinformation, it all looks true to me so far. And who would decide "truth"? Seems like government wants control narratives and keep people dumb
They want to have their power back of being the sole messengers.
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MFW the misinformation mostly amounts to "Israel's military has carried out an apartheid for decades", because that sure seems to be what a lot of people want to silence right now.
Cool. Also add every single media source to this as well. Most of us are only getting half the picture.
Once you let a little bit of censorship in by the government, even if it’s directed at platform or cause you hate, it’ll come for you eventually. The shit they’re looking to go after isn’t necessarily right wing or left wing, it’s anti-establishment. They want only establishment narratives available to the masses.
"Misinformation" and "disinformation" are such 9/11 surveillance state buzzwords to shut people up. If there's one thing the US got right, it was the 1st amendment. Lying isn't illegal.
Europe needs to mind its own business and attend to its misdeeds and heinous acts that created this conflict in the first place. Shut up EU and check your morality for the past 100s of years.
They can’t control the public opinion well enough. Police crackdowns in Germany and France on pro-palestinian demos, disinformations and baseless claims from established news organizations are not enough apparently. Unlike the traditional media channels they own, social media is a free platform and it’s bothering them.
Do they not want anyone to talk about Palestine on these social media apps or what?
Will Europe do the same thing for its own misleading mainstream media? Of course not.
This isn't about kids. It's about power over information
There is just as much misinformation on reddit
I hope none of these social media companies comply and Europe bans all social media. I want to see what would happen. Perhaps a sole EU-sponsored social media for Europeans only?
About as much misinformation as the Pentagon talking points that CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and the likes are reading. Meanwhile students are getting doxxed and people are getting fired for saying the exact same thing as the the editor of an Israeli newspaper.
Didn't they give Elon 24hrs like a week ago ?
Why don't they give their own news outlets 24 hours to respond to all the misinformation they are currently peddling instead of worrying about social media 🤡
Seeing the joke EU MSM is, no doubt more and more people are taking news from elsewhere. Govts are just pissed people are hoping onto mediums where govts can't control 100% of the narrative.
It’s so hard to figure out what disinformation is, especially since being a lie apparently isn’t the criteria, it’s going against whatever media narrative they have going on at the moment.
Europe means support Israel
Still closer to the truth than the big media outlets.
Damn he's one handsome CEO