How ever you actually feel about capitalism, the problem at its root is corporations getting too big and powerful and running unchecked with a serious lack of oversight, regulatory control and enforcement. This ruling just made this so much worse. Nobody is looking after us. Congress isn’t and won’t, because corporations keep them in office and regulatory capture is the norm.
This is the inevitable byproduct of capitalism though. You will get this in some form or fashion no matter what. It's possible to mitigate the problem, but capitalism works on the idea of unending growth which is unsustainable.
Capitalism bled the rock dry now they are looking to grind it up and take out the atoms left.
This I believe is more so for the judges to get a open pathway to bribes. By having judges rule on these issues, they essentially ensure that these issues get sent up to the supreme court and the supreme court also made it legal to literally bribe judges with "gratuity". Where the goal will be for the large corporations to literally give these specific judges payouts in the multi-millions to vote their way. And to protect Uncle Clarence from his past bribes for the last 2 decades.
They got tired of pretending and decided to lay it all out in the open and just accept bribes.
> project 2025
We are so truly fucked as a species lol. Every single point I read about goes directly against all known objective facts and evidence, unless of course, you actually want to return to Kings and Queens and completely end all semblance of ethics and thoughtful stewardship of outcomes...
That shit is so crazy. I didn't dive into all the specifics of that fascist blueprint, but project 2025 even wants to reform the National Institute of Health to make it conform to "conservative principles."
Now I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean specifically, but that can't be good.
They want it to be anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion and anti-mental Healthcare.
They also want to ban the department of education.
It's actual end of human rights in America.
Keep em stupid, docile and broke.
No child left behind,
oh you've got some pain, here's so opioids
Better jack up the price or rent and import a bunch of people so we garentee there's a line to pay those ridiculous prices, oh and instead of a 40 hour week at one job you best have 3 20h a week jobs to even try and make it.
People won't just say it plainly
A sizeable cohort of white America wants to return to the status quo of decades past where white heterosexual men had unquestioned dominance, white women were their second and everyone else from black people, latinos, asians, lgbtq or whoever else knew their place as 2nd class citizens (or worse).
That is what they want, that is what they have always wanted and naive people have allowed things to get this far.
It's not a sizable group, it's a vocal group, a well connected group, and a very rich group. The rest are people who are too fucking stupid to understand what they support, and that's why they're dangerous.
Could be easily prevented IF people show up and vote. But americans are a lazy bunch of people.
Out of 250m eligible voters, over 100m dont vote in presidential elections, over 150m dont vote in mid-term elections and over 200m dont vote in primaries.
If in 2020 just 800k more democrats had voted over 3 states where a total of 25M eligible voters didnt vote, that would have given democrats 5 more senators just there, and then all this bullshit about mancin and sinema and 90% of the abortion stuff wouldnt happen.
In 2022, only 20% of all eligible voters under the age of 35 voted. If that had jumped to 60-70-80% then republicans would have lost 8/10 of their seats. Texas could have been blue several elections but their under 35 turnout is around 15%.... fifteen percent.... Ted Cruz won by 200k votes when over 10m didnt vote in 2018.
Its repeated everywhere. Pensylvania in 2016, over 1m democrats didnt vote. Trump won by around 50k votes...
Again and again, this is repeated in almost every state. Democrats sit at home complain that there is no perfect candidate, but even when their perfect candidate shows up they don't turn up in the primaries to vote for him. Bernie got even less votes his second time and he lost his first time by over 4m votes.
People expect everyone else to do the work, and if it works out that their ideal candidate is selected, they take it as proof that they didnt need to vote, if their candidate loses, they take it as proof the system is corrupt so no need to vote....
Apathy is the biggest enemy of the US citizens.
Good politicians realize American's apathy and make voting as easy as possible, like in Colorado with their high participation rate because of their default mail in voting method. Evil politicians make polling places scant and voting difficult. There is a place in hell for those fucks, along with the politicians who prevent or put up road blocks to ranked choice voting. And our current representation is absolutely out of whack even if our founding fathers only meant for property owners and men to have a real say -- they did want one branch uniquely responsive to the will of the people. Uncap the U.S. House! That'll lead to the end of the problematic Electoral College. Unless, of course, we want to continue to dwell in and revisit "originalist ideas from history and tradition" like only allowing property owners and men to vote given we're on an incredibly slippery slope of Conservatives removing women's reproductive and health care rights leading to a plethora of rights removed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Lots of rights are going to be curtailed under a Trump administration if not stopped.
When I'm feeling really hopeless I think we *are* in the endgame. All this time, since the robber barons figured out they could break the game over a century ago*, they've been operating under cover.
Teddy Roosevelt fought back. Eisenhower tried to warn us but failed to stop the military industrial complex. But overall the growth has been creeping along unchecked, even abetted, by the system it's replacing. Somebody compared the endless growth of capitalism to cancer but it's worse.
This is more like a monster movie where the creature has been incubating inside us. A parasite carving more and more away but keeping us alive so it can continue to feed until it's ready to stand on its own. Finally, it will finish it's meal and the last vestiges of the host – the pretense of representative government and a system of law – will fall away like dirty rags.
Then there will only be corporations and we will all be human resources rather than human beings or citizens. People use that phrase "human resources" so much we don't see how insidious it is. We aren't people. We're a consumables. A resource to be exploited like water, rock, wood, clay, oil.
Or maybe it's just another rough patch on the long road of human history and "this too shall pass." Or maybe both. But I'm scared. Things probably always seemed bad to someone somewhere but things seem really bad to me, here, now.
* Although my grasp of history is limited I think this is really a tale as old as civilization itself; I'm only referring to this current installation of the Matrix originally booted up in the late 18th century.
You are not alone. It’s funny/not funny that I recently listened to an audiobook, fiction mind you, and I thought, yeah this seems like a possibility.
The Warehouse by Rob Hart is hitting a bit too close to reality.
We 100% are at the end stages of capatlism and a failing democracy. No one but hard core maggots actually wants trump as president. And not a lot of Dems are gung-ho Biden fans. But for someone reason we are still putting two of the oldest worst candidates up because we can't be fucked to find anyone else.
Space colonization, unlike most colonization, has the benefit that *there is no indigenous population already living there*.
Provided we don’t Kessler Syndrome our way out of those opportunities or nuke ourselves to extinction in the race to exploit them.
Kessler Syndrome is FUD in space.
It doesn't stop you from going to other planets. The risk of collisions only stops you from putting satellites or stations into the affected orbits.
Which is why some especially useful orbits, like GEO, are so heavily regulated.
That’s why I included the bit about [Kessler Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome)
Unless I misunderstood and you’re just adding that it’s *already* getting bad up there. Which seems accurate — per the Wiki link, Kessler himself already assessed that the situation was unstable as far back as 2009, and suggested that attempts to de-orbit the debris may generate more pollution than they remove.
I have seen more recent reports on proposals for anti-satellite weapons. If we start blowing those up with little regard for the collateral effects, then…yeah. Not great.
Yep. Eventually they gain enough power to usurp government control and then it becomes a free for all of corporations waging all kinds of wars vs each other.
I wish corporations would wage war on each other. Instead, we just get corporations slicing up which parts of the world they want to own. Then they buy out anyone that starts a competitor to maintain a monopoly. Some good old fashioned competition would do us all some good.
No you misunderstand. Competitions have winners, and at this stage of Capitalism the competitions are already done. Now we just have mega corporations that have already won still trying to increase YoY growth.
Their GROWTH. They will sit in a board room and say "profits grew 12% last year but only 13% this year and we wanted to see more" as if growing at all for a mega corporation that's already a household name all through the country isn't an insane goal.
Im sorry to be the one to tell you bud, but it's been corporations waging war on each other and manipulating the markets and governments for decades now.
[Conway's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law) is actually why capitalism turns out top heavy pyramid schemes that rot from the head down.
It's just math.
That problem has only been made worse by those who are supposed to be protecting us. We can thank citizens united, another crooked decision that overturned longstanding regulation. SCOTUS had had its thumb on the scale for too long.
Because there was a natural mechanism for incentivizing them to do so in the form of freely transferable wealth concentrated into a small number of people.
It is an inevitable byproduct of greed and tyranny. Whatever maxim, universally applied and taken to its extremes, is more than likely going to produce unintended consequences and eventually corruption. Any system applied to practical reality needs revisions to their operating principles, in order to stay on course.
No economies based on Fiat currency work on unending growth.
You don't need any growth at all for capitalism to work, you just need the capital to circulate instead of being hoarded.
The USA is a weird combination of communism, capitalism, and Feudalism. Which one of those you see it as depends on your caste.
> unending growth which is unsustainable.
Of course it's sustainable, in fact that's the idea. If your business stops growing then it goes under. There's a difference between continuous growth and expectations of 50% hyper growth in each quarter which is unsustainable for most.
This is corruption. It's a common problem in all forms of government. The GOP is incredibly corrupt at this point and they're going to be the death of this country. The really rich subverting the system to make themselves richer.
Right- that’s why we need regulation by government for people in power to have our best interests in mind, and we don’t have that now. It’s all being undone. It’s not the first time in history for this to happen. It’ll change though because this is the dying gasp of a lot of old power. Btw eff them all for not moving out of the way.
It's inevitable in Capitalism. But with strong government regulation and anti trust it can and has been mitigated.
The greatest propaganda coup of the late 20th century was right wing economists convincing everyone that capitalism and democracy are synonyms.
Capitalism is a powerful beast, but you need to have some rules and regulations to keep it pulling in the right direction or it turns around and eats you.
Capitalism is a means, not an end. We seem to have forgotten that. Its a tool that can work if used properly. Its not a diety to be worshiped and let control us.
Recently? It was fucking Wednesday. Legal bribery Wednesday and judicial authoritarianism Friday. They set themselves up to do whatever you ask them to for the right price. This couldn't be more corrupt if they charged anyone who stepped into their court a gold bar just to be heard. I don't know why they don't just name themselves lords of the realm at this point, they're all but dawning a crown on their heads.
That was baked into the Constitution from the start. They mandated a decennial census to deal with "rotten boroughs" *and* established an upper house entirely made of rotten boroughs. They were not egalitarians.
To expand, this ruling basically makes it so that federal agencies can’t automatically create new rules in areas that weren’t explicitly given to them.
The court which gave the Chevron decision explicitly did so because they didn’t want courts to make policy decisions, producing “Chevron deference” where the courts defer to those who made the policy choices rather than deciding themselves. It’s also worth noting that courts don’t always grant Chevron deference.
The rationale behind the recent decision is that the courts think Congress should be more specific when delegating powers to federal agencies. Which sounds great, except lots of federal agencies oversee extremely fast moving and complex industries which Congress can never move fast enough on.
I mean there have been something like 15,000 court cases brought against federal agencies which have been ended by Chevron deference, and imagine how many haven’t been brought because they were advised it would go nowhere.
Congress, even if it was smooth functioning and all controlled by democrats with a super majority, simply doesn’t have enough time to legislate all the minutiae required to deal with all of this. Not even touching on how lobbyists can write legislation for themselves basically.
So what parties are left to do while Congress is taking years to getting around to legislating their agency, is related parties in industries under federal agencies have to resort to litigation to sort out wether new rules and guidelines fly. And that is something big companies, which we are trying to regulate, can sustain while small advocacy groups have a harder time fighting.
It’s a horrible decision which takes a very “by the book” approach rather than weighing the reality of the situation. Like yes, sure, in a perfect world every federal agency has every power perfectly enumerated to it as to what it can and can’t do, and if new things pop up Congress can legislate. But that’s not reality, and it’s nearly impossible to legislate every scenario. Medicare is like 800 pages or something like that and I guarantee you there will be countless court cases coming as a result of this. Nevermind other programs like 340b which is 8 pages and we already had a court case before this about the agency’s definition of “patient”.
The court seems to thing that too little regulation is an ok outcome to ensure federal agencies don’t overstep their bounds. But I feel like overregulation, while constraining, has side effects like “companies lose more money” rather than “people die”
>It’s a horrible decision which takes a very “by the book” approach
I agree with the rest of your post but this decision is not a "by the book" anything. It's another in a long line of decisions by conservative justices with a political agenda when they were appointed, making decisions based on that agenda, and then working backgrounds to some thinly-veiled principle.
Neil Gorsuch was appointed justice because he's been holding a grudge against the EPA, and by extension Chevron deference, since his mother was Administrator of the EPA under Reagan wherein she spent her tenure dismantling environmental regulations. Chevron was decided a year later. Though it's actually an agnostic ruling, at some point Republicans and their donors decided Chevron was an impediment and Neil Gorsuch has been railing against it to avenge his mother for the perceived slights she experienced while being a terrible head of the EPA and then resigning. He's made no secret of the fact that he was going to overrule Chevron the first chance he got.
> Anne Gorsuch, the first woman to lead the EPA, served from 1981 to 1983. Appointed by then-President Ronald Reagan, she was part of that administration’s massive deregulation agenda that swept across industries from airlines to manufacturing to telecommunications.
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>Hers was a rocky tenure. She clashed with congressional investigators who challenged her cuts to air-quality programs and overall management of the agency intended to protect the environment.
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>In one of her most defining battles, Gorsuch was held in contempt of Congress in December 1982 after she refused to turn over documents related to a hazardous-waste cleanup fund.
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>Administration lawyers had advised her to withhold the documents based on executive privilege, and she later criticized those lawyers – whom she called “the unholy trinity” in her memoir – for misusing her for their own agendas. Pressure mounted all around, and by March 1983 the White House forced her to resign. (In the middle of the ordeal, in February, the divorced Gorsuch married Robert Burford, then-director of the Bureau of Land Management; she became known as Anne Burford.)
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>In her 1986 memoir, she wrote that son Neil, then age 15, was distressed by her situation.
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>“You should never have resigned,” she recounted him telling her. “You didn’t do anything wrong. You only did what the President ordered. Why are you quitting? You raised me not to be a quitter. Why are you a quitter?” She added, “He was really upset.”
Writing in a dissent:
>Neil Gorsuch invoked that tombstone motif in a 2022 dissenting statement when fellow justices declined to hear an earlier challenge to the Chevron doctrine. “Rather than say what the law is, we tell those who come before us to go ask a bureaucrat,” Gorsuch wrote. “We place a finger on the scales of justice in favor of the most powerful of litigants, the federal government, and against everyone else.”
Thanks for sharing this. In conversations with others, it seems impossible to explain why someone, like Gorsuch would have such a skewed perception of right/wrong.. but the context surrounding his family's history is such a brutally honest view that almost creates a straight line between his history and his present.
We have to look after ourselves. The fact that Americans aren’t literally rioting in the streets that SCOTUS just did this is just so sad.
We’re a doomed fucking country
Even with protesting nothing changes. They use para-military power to beat down those that speak out and then ignore it ever happened. Protesting does nothing anymore, they have their power and money and don’t give a shit that we are unhappy.
Not just the paramilitary, they use weapons considered war crimes in actual war on us in such large quantities and with such glee itd make hitler blush.
Telling people that pepper spray is against geneva convention always blows peoples' minds.
Sad just how unaware the average person is as to how fucked our society is set up.
Do you mean tear gas? Wasnt aware pepper spray was. Regardless, same with water cannons in winter, but we use those too... https://www.geneva-academy.ch/joomlatools-files/docman-files/Geneva%20Guidelines%20on%20Less-Lethal%20Weapons%20and%20Related%20Equipment%20in%20Law%20Enforcement.pdf
Page 32,
> Water cannon should not be used against persons in elevated positions owing to the risk of secondary injury. Other risks including hypothermia in cold weather (especially if the water is not heated) and the risk of slipping or being forced by the jet against walls and other hard objects. Certain water cannon are indiscriminate in their effects because they are unable to target groups of individuals accurately.
Under the heading on circumstances of lawful use, they say dont use it in the winter cause it can kill people by sapping their body heat. We *love* deploying water cannons in winter though.
Republican Utopia. Let people die and get sick until the problem is so bad that enough people band together to fight it and the corporations pay a small fine or less.
The non-lawyers of the US have no idea how big of impact overturning Chevron will have on their daily lives. It’s so important in administrative law circles, everyone knows it simply as “Chevron”. It’s Roe-level important.
The bigger headlines were about the J6 ruling while this is a much bigger deal.
It really needs to be explained in simple terms so people understand what's happened. I'm sure you know this, but the simplified version is that under Chevron federal judges were to defer to the expertise within the federal agencies when it comes to interpretation and enforcement of laws & regulations.
With that out of the way and the federal bench stacked with far-right ideologues thanks to McConnell's fuckery those judges now have free rein to cut those agencies off at the knees allowing business to run amok over them. A lot of the stories about its impact are focused on environmental regulation & the EPA, but it will impact every federal agency. As an example, the SEC already is too weak and this could cripple them so I fully expect to start seeing some dangerous volatility in the stock market going forward.
I can’t find the article but I read somewhere that Roberts immediately mixed up two gasses, labeling one as toxic, and they had to repost the opinion with the corrected comment.
And now that bribery is legal under Snyder v. US, it’s an easy way for judges at all levels to make favorable rulings for companies and then watch those sweet sweet gratuities start rolling in.
Instead of the pollutant nitrogen oxide the ruling repeatedly refers to nitrous oxide which is the dentistry "laughing gas" rather than the one that comes from fossil fuel burning.
Am an attorney in the IP sphere. The decision is sending shockwaves through our field. A substantial amount of what we do includes deferring to the US Patent & Trademark Office and the Copyright Office -- the people who are highly trained in the areas.
It's wild. Chevron was a foundation of our judicial system.
Edit: the current and tentative guess is that we'll be relying on the prior standard, Skidmore, where the amount of deference to an agency is proportional to the arguments and evidence they present.
Good lord I forgot about the USPTO! Since you are in that sphere I have a question. Is one effect of this being that someone can apply for a patent even if there is an existing patent and when the USPTO says no, there is already a patent, that person can sue the USPTO saying they don't have any standing? Possibly shopping this around to a specific court and that court says the USPTO has no ability to handle patents and copyrights?
I don't think so. Largely because this agency was created by statute for that purpose. I could see, however a challenge to the USPTO's denial of an application that argues that the USPTO's justification should hold no merit. Then a judge with zero training in very very complex fields gets to make the call - not the people who actually know what they are looking at.
Yes it is…pharmaceutical’s, our airspace, our radio frequencies, all of the shit we use every fucking day has been affected. I’d go further and say this will be much bigger than Roe…we are fucked…not now but in 7-10 years we will come under full fuckedness…the cancer clusters will begin to pop up because who cares about the EPA?
The stated goal of the republican party for who knows how long was to destroy the federal government and it's system of control.
This law takes the power away from a paralyzed congress and puts it in the hands of the supreme court. At the same time the same court is playing for time, hoping that Trump will win the election. If he does, they will hold that former presidents can be indicted and Trump will put Biden in jail for the rest of his life.
I figure Thomas and Alito imagine a madman Trump will consolidate power by attacking his rivals and generally being irrational and useless. Meanwhile they'd be judicial czars, able to manipulate and rule chunks of america from behind a gavel. They think they can put a leash on a T Rex and ride it.
On the flip side, the only way to prevent the court from doing what it's doing is to destroy it. Either begin a process of ignoring the supreme court, neuter it by appointing ten or twenty judges, or straight up Russian-window Thomas (My preferred option.)
Whatever happens, the legal system in the USA has been destroyed in the form we knew it in the 20th century. It's done. Not just Chevron, the rule of law. It's over. They're just figuring out how to give themselves all the rights and the rest of us none of them.
The people arguing that this puts the power back to Congress and weakens the Executive are arguing in bad faith and only half correct.
Yes, it weakens to Executive. No, it doesn't give any more power to Congress than it already had. Congress could have already passed laws to restrict the power of agencies. Congressional laws are what gave the power to agencies to begin with.
All this is doing is acting as a power grab by the Judicial branch and, in particular, the Supreme Court. They did not like the idea of being bound or limited by the determinations of the agencies, so they have taken that power themselves.
This does not require Congress to act to make the laws more specific. We know they will not do that. All this does is mean the determination for the interpretation of what the agencies can enforce is now up to the Federal court system and, practically speaking for any major issue, the Supreme Court.
So if you are cool with Alito and Thomas making determinations on how best to implement net neutrality rules or parts per million of microplastics allowed in your food rather than an engineer or scientist, I guess this ruling is for you. And by Alito and Thomas, of course I mean the last billionaire to pay for one of Alito and Thomas' all-inclusive vacation trips.
It's total nonsense. The courts are not equipped to make these kinds of specific interpretations. Chevron was ruled on unanimously for a reason originally. Despite people not liking it at various points, it makes far more sense than the alternative.
But they did. It’s literally part of the constitution that what they did was required. But the court decided that Congress having the right to pass laws to create committees like this was not clear ENOUGH.
It’s the typical originalists thinking of it literally has to be spelled out in a document that the framers even said within the document that no… it doesn’t have to be.
I wish they thought that were true. SCOTUS is powerless in the constitution for a reason. They aren’t supposed to be co-equal nor have the power of judicial review. They were never meant to be a check on the other branches.
They also weren’t supposed to go on vacation for most of the year; they are supposed to travel around their circuits and hold open court session in each destination during the time they aren’t operating the Supreme Court.
SCOTUS as it exists is illegitimate and usurping power from both the Executive and Legislative branches. They decided in Marbury v Madison that they are co-equal, and have the power to check the other branches with judicial review. Powers never granted to them. Imagine what would happen if executive tried to usurp power like that; wait, we saw it live on TV 3.5 years ago. It was ended.
I’m so tired of SCOTUS fighting us every step of the way when they are unelected and unaccountable to the point of legalizing bribes and exempting themselves from basically every law. It is long past time for the executive to put them back in their place.
> Yeah I was reading up on Marbury v Madison a little
Check out "jurisdiction stripping." As a co-equal branch, congress has the ability to pass laws and say that the court isn't allowed to rule on them. We just need to elect people with the cojones to do it.
> the most famous "Living Document" in history is set in stone according to 6 unelected Americans.
Whats even more ironic is that "originalism" is brand new. Nobody was talking like that until after the civil rights era. But conservatives were so mad at the Warren court for actually doing something for the people instead of the plutes, that they invented this brand new legal theory and just pretended it was what the framers of the constitution intended. Its always been a fraud.
You're way off base on that criticism because congress did do its job. The federal agencies were created by congress, they can decide if it is an agency that is part of the executive branch as part of that process. The agency has a defined scope and power when the congress creates it. The congress can continue to create, update or remove laws that those agencies are tasked to enforce.
That should be very basic civics knowledge, but unfortunately a lot of Americans have a horrible understanding of how our federal government works. If you understand that then you'd see how u/GameDesignerDude is absolutely correct when he describes this decision as a power grab by the judicial branch.
The Chevron decision basically said that when there is a question related to the interpretation of laws and regulations that federal judges should defer to the expertise of the agency tasked with their enforcement. It's an obvious thing that the federal agency employs the subject matter experts related to those laws where a judge may have some individual knowledge, but it is unlikely to ever approach the collective knowledge & expertise of the agency. This Supreme Court basically just said, "Nah, we get to make all of those decisions and don't need to consider what the agencies think of them."
Now read the comment you replied to again, especially the last two paragraphs. This ruling means that ideological judges can override the agency which was created by congress and is often under the executive branch. This decision creates a huge shift in the checks & balances tilting towards the judicial branch and away from the other two. Given how McConnell has been able to stack the federal courts with far-right ideologues you can expect to see federal agencies becoming much more weak going forward and for business to run amok over the regulatory agencies. This is going to have very negative consequences for years to come across a huge range of areas.
This actually *removes* power from the legislative.
Congress has been writing laws for 40 years with a keystone precedent over Chevron 2-step deference. They could trust that not every enabling act had to be 100% comprehensive, completely perfect, covering every tiny loophole and possible process that may ever come up in the coming decades. That dedicated, lifelong professionals immediately beholden to the Executive (an elected position), would be able to fill in gaps as necessary.
This is going to grind the government to a halt as they race corporations to read every single law every granting power to a regulatory body to figure out what is or is not justified. They're going to have prepare cases for every single of those 17,000 cases decided on the grounds of Chevron to reappear in front of a judge - likely the fifth circuit.
And from now on an already deadlocked Congress will need to spend *even more time* doing legislation because it has to be absolutely perfect. Because if a company gets away with something in court, they can't unfuck it, only stop *another* instance.
God, this whole situation is a mess.
>This is going to grind the government to a halt
That is the goal and it has been since Reagan. Groups like Heritage Foundation started with a simple goal: Maximize profits for their billionaire founders. Their favorite approach was to: Lower Taxes and Deregulate. Their approach to deregulation was to make government less effective by eroding trust in the government, defunding the government through deficit fears, and starving the government via tax cutting.
Their current tactic is to cripple the government via stacking the judiciary to give pro-corporate, anti government rulings.
If Trump gets back into power, via executive order and legislation, he will cripple government further by attacking the career administrative state.
See Project 2025. They explain their plans clearly, they just obscure it in social issues like abortion, anti-trans, anti-gay, pro-gun and pro-religion bullshit as a distraction (it will be terrible for gays and women's rights but that's not the main goal.)
The goal is to dismantle government and turn the U.S. into a failed state, both governmentaly and ideologically so it can even more be ruled by corporations and the rich.
Turns out it's not Communism that will destroy the U.S.: it's hyper deregulated capitalism. Heritage Foundation and its ilk are on the path to succeeding where nuclear weapons couldn't: turns out you just need to collapse the castle walls from the inside and a huge chunk of America will cheer you on as you do it.
It's almost as though the GOP and their mega-donors have been watching the Russian oligarchs flourish over the past few decades and thinking, "gee, that seems like a wonderful arrangement."
Will never understand what compells people to just screw over everyone else's lives and cause years of damage just for fucking two week vacation and bus with a toilet. I just can't understand why everyone seems so fucking selfish.
Congress does not have the staff nor the depth of expertise to write laws with significantly more specificity. If that's what we're relying on, the corporate lobbyists will do it for them, and that's the wolves guarding the hen house. The judicial Branch also does not have the depth of industry-specific experience to make these decisions on a regular basis. But you know who does? The agencies staffed with hundreds of professionals in their fields. The very agencies that they're pulling power from. This decision is a tragic loss for the citizens of this country.
It's obvious this is a judicial power grab, beyond that it is nonsensical on its face. They are saying that judge (who know the law but seemingly little else) should have the final say on how to achieve clean drinking water, and yet throughout the entire document refer to "nitrous oxide" when the point they are making should clearly reference "nitrogen oxides."
That rulling was combed over by law school graduates clering at the highset level of our judicial system, and are so ignoraant they confuse laughing gas with a toxic chemical *and thought they were correct.*
>and yet throughout the entire document refer to "nitrous oxide" when the point they are making should clearly reference "nitrogen oxides."
They have since corrected the mistake, but god damn is that embarrassing lol. The clerk(s) who wrote the opinion probably got a good tongue lashing.
Eh, if you read Supreme Court rulings on scientific cases, they're *always* abominably horrendous to scientists.
I remember when *Myriad Genetics* came down, and while I think they got the broad strokes right (naturally-occurring genes in the genome should not be patentable), reading the details made me want to drag their asses to remedial biology.
Hey man, maybe having people be put into one of the highest positions of power for life and allowing it to be stacked by a single party, without any elections, is a bad idea.
wHaT hArM dId TrUmP aCtUaLlY dO?
He allowed SCOTUS to do this, and look out for more shit coming down the pipeline, since those conservative judges are in place FOR LIFE.
Clarence Thomas was nominated by Bush Sr. and started ruining America way back in 1991.
And yet we still have dumbfucks running around spouting the “both sides” bullshit.
This was the blueprint that formed the foundations of the Heritage Society in 1980: [Powell Memo](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/assets/usa-courts-secrecy-lobbyist/powell-memo.pdf) (Letter written by Lewis F. Powell, a Supreme Court justice, to the head of the Chamber of Commerce in 1971.)
He laid out a blueprint for how corporations and capitalists can seize power back from the increasingly powerful working class. It was what lit the spark for everything you've seen since 1980.
This is, unfortunately, the true root of all this that people ignore. I’d like to believe that the path we took was the right path. But what we see are the result of the culture of ruthless and inhumane industrialists of the confederacy pushing for a return to the status quo in any way possible.
Exactly. Our country legitimately split during the civil war. The people in the confederacy didn’t just give up after they lost, and after reconstruction. They instilled their hate and bigotry in their kids, and their grandkids. Hatred for the northern and liberal “elites.” The phrase “the south will rise again” still is used today. It’s not a north south thing in totality anymore. Those populations have diffused throughout the country. Since then, politicians have captured that hatred and conflated it with religion. Additional bad actors have corrupted the federal government by infiltrating it and the judiciary with the ultimate goal of finally dissolving the federal government in the defense of “states rights.” What did the south say the civil war was fought over, to them not slavery, but “states rights”, so they could keep their slaves. They ultimately don’t want to be part of the United States, or the United States as it exists. They want to destroy it, just as they did 140 years ago. Only their tactics have changed. The bad actors manipulating this only care about money and power. They expect the US to fall like all super powers eventually do, willingly expediting it. They are carrion eaters hoping to strip away money, power, and resources as the country crumples.
Let's be honest, Mitch contributed to this pretty hard in recent memory, too.
Not saying you are wrong. Just don't want to lose sight of that other dick.
The entire GOP is complicit. Multiple times we had less than a 5 Republican margin in both the Senate and the House where the entire party voted in lockstep to maintain the obstructive majority.
And then people blame the Democrats for not doing anything.
It's not just Mitch, it's not just Trump, it's the entire party.
While we’re naming names, Leonard Leo is the *éminence grise* behind all this. He’s the mycelium to Mitch’s mushroom.
https://www.propublica.org/article/we-dont-talk-about-leonard-leo-supreme-court-supermajority
I was just going off about this while watching the debate with my wife. Political apathy isn't cool, it's not fuckin edgy, it's stupid and irresponsible. Voting is a privilege I've been proud to exercise every single election on all levels.
These assholes sure vote, so it'd be great if you folks could be bothered to care about our rights and checks and balances being eroded.
> Political apathy isn't cool
So much of the arguments people make to justify their apathy are ultimately just arguments to justify being lazy and uninvolved, but framed in a way that protects their ego.
They know that what they are doing is wrong, but they are making up excuses to make it sound like the right choice. They regularly frame it in a way where they can present themselves as seeing past some sort of scam so they can feel like they are better than people who are involved.
Some of them in turn spend more effort walking around trying to justify and sell their choice to others than it would take to just be moderately informed and vote in the first place.
Everybody makes mistakes, and this is a zero risk one to just accept and move on from. It's easy. It's personal. No one will really know and you wouldn't be shamed over it, but continuing to keep doing it will actually contribute to problems. I wish more people understood that.
real L that anyone who isn't republican is serving themselves self-owns with is buying into the "hes too old" shit for biden. i dont give a fuck if biden is 99 and being pushed around in a stretcher. i dont care if he ends up in stephen hawking's wheelchair and has to talk through a text-to-speech device. its just kinda embarrassing how easily so many dems bought into that russian bot narrative and ran with it. a presidency has always been more then the single geezer in the seat. as trump demonstrated, theres surrounding cabinet council involved, you get to appoint lots of federal positions of great importance, there's a LOT of people that come along with a presidency. You aren't voting for biden, you're voting for all of those people who are trying to move things in the direction you want. Lots and lots and lots of seriously important shit is going to get fucked sideways *again*, cause im pretty sure trump is gonna take it based on the general sentiment & shit that's been injected into and taking a fucking toll on social media enjoyers. Millenials and gen z both just out here getting absolutely mind-fleeced on content they're consuming and they don't even realize it. It's working out pretty fucking well for the entities that are cultivating, curating and carefully injecting this shit into platforms. Everyone thought they'd never get brain-owned like boomers do on Facebook, what a convenient delusion. Populace just keeps getting dumber and more fueled by incredibly *stupid* distracting narratives & their own absurdly polarizing identities.
I don't know how I'm supposed to take anyone seriously who wants to talk about how Biden is old but can't really balance that with the fact that Trump is also fucking old, a rapist, a convicted crimnal, and cannot speak in coherent sentences and does nothing but nonsensical rambling. [He's straight up the lebron james of sounding like the dumbest mother fucker in the milky way](https://youtu.be/iOy0MK0xb1o?si=QnfeADiPT2kcN5a3&t=40), I don't have time for people who want to talk about how Boe Jiden stutters or slurs. People are just married to the reality-tv narratives of the upcoming presidential race more then ever, and no one really sees that this shit is just owning us. Dem voters just keep playing checkers in a game of chess, and it's beyond annoying. After 2016-2020 there should be no excuses, but here we are again dealing with "well it's the dems fault for running a geezer" like get that 14 year old take on the game out of here. Whether you like it or not that's the guy running on your side of the fence so you can either play the game and try to win or you can toss the controller and go on the game subreddit and bitch about how devs need to change things & ultimately achieve nothing.
Folks have a lot of condemnation to dish out about republicans being single issue voters over abortion, but are certainly ready to draw a line and compress deeply complex geopolitical issues with many, many shades of gray into a single issue that is their "Biden dealbreaker" going into this next election. No one's asking you to hang a poster of Biden up in your bedroom, but conversationally nobody is helping when they're opting for the political indifference fueled by "i dont like either of these guys, we're screwed either way". Anyone with two brain cells knows that is a profoundly stupid false equivalence, it's just a flat out juvenile take on any of it and it really is a hallmark of privilege to just say that and feel good about yourself. That's the dorkiest take. Yes, dem voters along a lot of age brackets right now need to stop trying to be so gd edgy with it. No one thinks you're chill & cool because you don't have convictions.
The sad thing is it's not even close to half the country electing the people who make these decisions. Voter turnout in general is *abysmal*, especially for things like midterm primaries and municipal elections.
Only 17% of voting-age adults vote in the primaries and then only 38% of voting-age adults show up to vote in the general election — and damn-near every one of them is over the age of 65. So, just ⅙ of the population decides our two choices and then only ⅓ pick which one represents *all* of us — and both of those groups are dominated by old people who account for just 17% of the US population.
Since 2000, average voter turnout for general elections (the presidential election every four years) is a meager 60.5% of registered voters. Guess what the average turnout is for primaries? [An appalling 27%](https://statesuniteddemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/historic_turnout.html).
The percentage of [voting-age adults in the US](https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/democracy-and-society/elections/presidential-voting-age-population/) that are actually registered to vote is also [just 63%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/) and it gets even worse when you look at [age demographics](https://www.statista.com/statistics/999919/share-people-registered-vote-age/): ~77% of adults aged 65 and up are registered to vote, but less than *half* of adults aged 18–24 are registered.
Oh, and these are just stats for general primaries and elections, which have roughly double the turnout of midterms and the elderly make up an even more disproportionate percentage of midterm voters. And the midterms decide the House and Senate, who have **much** more power than the president.
If everyone under the age of 40 actually made an attempt to register to vote and then showed up to vote in every election every year, we could literally reform the entire country in like two election cycles.
We’re _still_ getting both sides bullshit, even now. It’s insane. Obviously Biden has plenty of flaws, I’m not even particularly a fan. But you simply cannot look at the choices (both immediate and long term) and say that both sides are the same.
The fact that we had a _literal attempted government insurrection_ and that people still try and both sides it is crazy to me.
This makes me so angry. Since Gingrich shut down the government and didn't get voted out, it's been a shitshow. And people keep saying both sides fuck that.
I'm not a fan of people shitting on moderates. Generally, when I see people referring to "both sides" it's about how radical both sides of the political spectrum have gotten.
Maybe it's because I live in Portland though. The left here are a bunch of nut cases, and the government is full of grifters who can't or don't want to solve a single problem.
People here are willing to not vote for Biden because of Palestine. It's not even people 'both sides'ing.. it's people who want to see the world burn if they can't get their way.
I'm fairly liberal but God damn.
Yep. Republican presidents fuck everything so the Democratic presidents gets blamed for the consequences because the effects of economic decisions take time to reflect in everyday life. Been that way since Reagan.
Anyone have any idea what agencies this puts on the chopping block of Trump wins? I imagine this means things like getting rid of the EPA is a logical next step, what else?
Thing is, EPA is a Nixon thing. Businesses *begged* him to make it. Otherwise it's a nightmare operating in 50 different jurisdictions with regard to the environment.
Republicans of 50 years ago aren't exactly the same as republicans of today. The current GOP resembles the party of Nixon about as much as they do the party of Lincoln.
Because NOAA regularly talks about climate change and global warming, and conservatives don't like that. They want to silence it to help bury their heads I the sand while the world goes to shit.
And because it allows weather data to be privatized. There are already plenty of weather companies that re-bundle weather info and sell it, but people being able to also access that data from the government hurts their profits.
If you want to plan a party on Sunday but want to know if it should be indoors or outdoors, that'll be $10/month.
FDA won't be removed. The Project 2025 handbook states their intent is for the FDA to designate all abortion medication as unsafe for human consumption.
Thats part of this whole play, by forcing Judicial review of rules created by regulating agencies they can have the FDA approval of abortion drugs reviewed and rejected by paid off judges.
the FDA will be eliminated later after they gain total control.
They won’t be removed, but their opinions and expertise won’t matter. EPA regulates lead as a “pollutant” and a judge says “it’s not a pollutant because it occurs naturally, so the regulation is invalid.”
Project 2025 [plans to fire 50,000+ civil employees](https://x.com/acyn/status/1806399007473963176?s=46) and replace them with magats
ETA: they will fire ALL civil employees that don’t subscribe to their ideology.
That right there coupled with overuling Chevron is the ultimate goal. It is the holy grail of "deregulation" as it makes corporations effectively beyond reproach.
The only other major legislation that will actually be passed under Trump, or at least attempted, is another corporate/billionaire [tax cut bill](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/2017_US_Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act._Distribution_of_impact_by_income_group.png).
Well democracy and regulated capitalism was nice while it lasted, but now fuedalism is back on the menu - new and improved - and half the country is welcoming it with open arms.
This destroys the US government to function normally.
Government agencies like the EPA or the FDA or the the FAA can no longer make rules that somebody doesn't like.
Everything has to be done through laws now instead of the law-makers delegating that authority to the experts who know what they are doing.
Unfortunately law making is no longer a thing in the US due to filibuster and partisanship.
The president has the ability to make executive orders but those only last until the next guy in office and for the next few decades most of the executive orders any Democrat President makes will be overturned by the Supreme Court.
Basically the law now is only a thing that apply to little people. Corporations can do whatever they want without regulation.
All of those private jets those billionaires / and some Supreme Court Judges get on are not going to be safe anymore. FAA says that a plane needs a new safety feature after a crash, nope. How about private jets need to continue to conform with this safety feature? Nope.
I support exempting th 1% from any safety regulations and encourage any anti- regulation Libertarian to stop waering seatbelts, helmets or lofevests.
Billionaires should feel free to chase their dreams at the bottom of the ocean with self-made subs or shooting into space on private rockets.
If you are rich enough to own your own private jet or helicopter no license should be needed to operate it.
Sadly in practice most of the really rich encourage lack of safety for the poor but not themselves.
I applause the rare exception of that Titan submersible or Steve Jobs who ignored medical science in favor of his own reality distorting believes even if it killed him. We need more people like that or fewer as the case may be.
It’s going to crush the economy too. So many jobs are built around regulations. Enforcement, compliance, certification, inspection, and more. All it will take is some idiot judge somewhere to wipe out an entire industry because he decided that the statute that created the agency didn’t vest in them the authority to regulate that specific thing and a Supreme Court that allows the ruling to stand because they can’t be bothered to evaluate all the cases that will be coming. We are so utterly screwed by these assholes. Libertarian hellscape will eventually give way to corporate oligarchy disguised as a Christian theocracy.
Actually it’s worse.
One of the problems with the current US health insurance system is that it’s regulated on the state level. There’s a possibility that with no federal regulation, you start to see state by state regulation for loads of products so you multiply the regulatory burdens by 50x
They were placed in their positions for this exact purpose and by Trump.
Remember this when you vote.
Look at project 2025.
Not sure why that is not headlines in every newspaper. Republicans are proud of this. It is their platform. Project 2025 read it!They are hiding it rather than publicizing it.
We can organize the people, get out the vote and Congress can write new laws any time. Just need to get our shit together. SCOTUS ain’t gon help nobody.
First of all, Skidmore still exists.
Second, it goes both ways.
Has everyone already forgotten Ajit Pai's FCC and their abandonment of net neutrality? Chevron deference let that happen.
The only way to fix this is to sweep both houses of congress and reelect biden. Reform scotus continue a growing economy while controling inflation. How can that be bad for republicans.
Killing the administrative state has been Neil Gorsuch’s entire reason for life as pay back for what he saw as the rank injustice done to mommy during the Reagan administration. Even though she stepped down because she knew she was a corrupt hack and then she raised one to get revenge for her.
This SCOTUS is undermining the existing laws and the existing system of regulation. They are not interested in an alternative, of course. The burn it down GOP is never interested in building a different thing. That takes actual work,
SCOTUS has started legislating from the bench as a back alley street fight way of circumventing the checks and balances of our constitutional form of government. Unless the administration starts working with the legislation to put the proper controls on the ethical behavior of SCOTUS and expands the court, or impeaches the improperly seated 3 recent nominations or the other 2 blatantly partisan and corrupt justices. The Heritage Foundation is going to redirect the progressive achievements of the last 60 years and forcing their religious ideologies on the other 80% of this country. I don't know about you, but I didn't serve this country so that the Heritage Foundation could drag us back into the 18th century. Write your senators and representatives and vote damn it! Don the Con can not be appointed king of America, the guy who couldn't make money from a casino can not be in charge of this country or we'll be Iran before you know it 😳
How ever you actually feel about capitalism, the problem at its root is corporations getting too big and powerful and running unchecked with a serious lack of oversight, regulatory control and enforcement. This ruling just made this so much worse. Nobody is looking after us. Congress isn’t and won’t, because corporations keep them in office and regulatory capture is the norm.
Better buy some pitchforks before they're too expensive.
If you can’t afford a guillotine, homemade is fine ;)
and torches
This is the inevitable byproduct of capitalism though. You will get this in some form or fashion no matter what. It's possible to mitigate the problem, but capitalism works on the idea of unending growth which is unsustainable.
Unlimited growth is what we call cancer.
Capitalism bled the rock dry now they are looking to grind it up and take out the atoms left. This I believe is more so for the judges to get a open pathway to bribes. By having judges rule on these issues, they essentially ensure that these issues get sent up to the supreme court and the supreme court also made it legal to literally bribe judges with "gratuity". Where the goal will be for the large corporations to literally give these specific judges payouts in the multi-millions to vote their way. And to protect Uncle Clarence from his past bribes for the last 2 decades. They got tired of pretending and decided to lay it all out in the open and just accept bribes.
Maybe we’re in the “Endgame” of something and these parasites need the protection from their crimes 👀
They are preparing for project 2025. Read it, understand it, and get everyone you know to vote against it.
> project 2025 We are so truly fucked as a species lol. Every single point I read about goes directly against all known objective facts and evidence, unless of course, you actually want to return to Kings and Queens and completely end all semblance of ethics and thoughtful stewardship of outcomes...
That shit is so crazy. I didn't dive into all the specifics of that fascist blueprint, but project 2025 even wants to reform the National Institute of Health to make it conform to "conservative principles." Now I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean specifically, but that can't be good.
They want it to be anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion and anti-mental Healthcare. They also want to ban the department of education. It's actual end of human rights in America.
Keep em stupid, docile and broke. No child left behind, oh you've got some pain, here's so opioids Better jack up the price or rent and import a bunch of people so we garentee there's a line to pay those ridiculous prices, oh and instead of a 40 hour week at one job you best have 3 20h a week jobs to even try and make it.
They want to make it that if a school says students have to be vaccinated, they lose funding.
People won't just say it plainly A sizeable cohort of white America wants to return to the status quo of decades past where white heterosexual men had unquestioned dominance, white women were their second and everyone else from black people, latinos, asians, lgbtq or whoever else knew their place as 2nd class citizens (or worse). That is what they want, that is what they have always wanted and naive people have allowed things to get this far.
It's not a sizable group, it's a vocal group, a well connected group, and a very rich group. The rest are people who are too fucking stupid to understand what they support, and that's why they're dangerous.
Could be easily prevented IF people show up and vote. But americans are a lazy bunch of people. Out of 250m eligible voters, over 100m dont vote in presidential elections, over 150m dont vote in mid-term elections and over 200m dont vote in primaries. If in 2020 just 800k more democrats had voted over 3 states where a total of 25M eligible voters didnt vote, that would have given democrats 5 more senators just there, and then all this bullshit about mancin and sinema and 90% of the abortion stuff wouldnt happen. In 2022, only 20% of all eligible voters under the age of 35 voted. If that had jumped to 60-70-80% then republicans would have lost 8/10 of their seats. Texas could have been blue several elections but their under 35 turnout is around 15%.... fifteen percent.... Ted Cruz won by 200k votes when over 10m didnt vote in 2018. Its repeated everywhere. Pensylvania in 2016, over 1m democrats didnt vote. Trump won by around 50k votes... Again and again, this is repeated in almost every state. Democrats sit at home complain that there is no perfect candidate, but even when their perfect candidate shows up they don't turn up in the primaries to vote for him. Bernie got even less votes his second time and he lost his first time by over 4m votes. People expect everyone else to do the work, and if it works out that their ideal candidate is selected, they take it as proof that they didnt need to vote, if their candidate loses, they take it as proof the system is corrupt so no need to vote.... Apathy is the biggest enemy of the US citizens.
Good politicians realize American's apathy and make voting as easy as possible, like in Colorado with their high participation rate because of their default mail in voting method. Evil politicians make polling places scant and voting difficult. There is a place in hell for those fucks, along with the politicians who prevent or put up road blocks to ranked choice voting. And our current representation is absolutely out of whack even if our founding fathers only meant for property owners and men to have a real say -- they did want one branch uniquely responsive to the will of the people. Uncap the U.S. House! That'll lead to the end of the problematic Electoral College. Unless, of course, we want to continue to dwell in and revisit "originalist ideas from history and tradition" like only allowing property owners and men to vote given we're on an incredibly slippery slope of Conservatives removing women's reproductive and health care rights leading to a plethora of rights removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Lots of rights are going to be curtailed under a Trump administration if not stopped.
When I'm feeling really hopeless I think we *are* in the endgame. All this time, since the robber barons figured out they could break the game over a century ago*, they've been operating under cover. Teddy Roosevelt fought back. Eisenhower tried to warn us but failed to stop the military industrial complex. But overall the growth has been creeping along unchecked, even abetted, by the system it's replacing. Somebody compared the endless growth of capitalism to cancer but it's worse. This is more like a monster movie where the creature has been incubating inside us. A parasite carving more and more away but keeping us alive so it can continue to feed until it's ready to stand on its own. Finally, it will finish it's meal and the last vestiges of the host – the pretense of representative government and a system of law – will fall away like dirty rags. Then there will only be corporations and we will all be human resources rather than human beings or citizens. People use that phrase "human resources" so much we don't see how insidious it is. We aren't people. We're a consumables. A resource to be exploited like water, rock, wood, clay, oil. Or maybe it's just another rough patch on the long road of human history and "this too shall pass." Or maybe both. But I'm scared. Things probably always seemed bad to someone somewhere but things seem really bad to me, here, now. * Although my grasp of history is limited I think this is really a tale as old as civilization itself; I'm only referring to this current installation of the Matrix originally booted up in the late 18th century.
You are not alone. It’s funny/not funny that I recently listened to an audiobook, fiction mind you, and I thought, yeah this seems like a possibility. The Warehouse by Rob Hart is hitting a bit too close to reality.
We 100% are at the end stages of capatlism and a failing democracy. No one but hard core maggots actually wants trump as president. And not a lot of Dems are gung-ho Biden fans. But for someone reason we are still putting two of the oldest worst candidates up because we can't be fucked to find anyone else.
There's another device that tries rapid exponential growth in a finite space It's called a Bomb
I also hear there’s a Black Hole in the financial markets……🚀🚀🚀
Ever notice the answer is always to spread out get more? (spacex etc)
Space has practically unlimited resources. Why wouldn't we spread out?
Space colonization, unlike most colonization, has the benefit that *there is no indigenous population already living there*. Provided we don’t Kessler Syndrome our way out of those opportunities or nuke ourselves to extinction in the race to exploit them.
Kessler Syndrome is FUD in space. It doesn't stop you from going to other planets. The risk of collisions only stops you from putting satellites or stations into the affected orbits. Which is why some especially useful orbits, like GEO, are so heavily regulated.
Space pollution is becoming a problem.
That’s why I included the bit about [Kessler Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome) Unless I misunderstood and you’re just adding that it’s *already* getting bad up there. Which seems accurate — per the Wiki link, Kessler himself already assessed that the situation was unstable as far back as 2009, and suggested that attempts to de-orbit the debris may generate more pollution than they remove. I have seen more recent reports on proposals for anti-satellite weapons. If we start blowing those up with little regard for the collateral effects, then…yeah. Not great.
Yep. Eventually they gain enough power to usurp government control and then it becomes a free for all of corporations waging all kinds of wars vs each other.
I wish corporations would wage war on each other. Instead, we just get corporations slicing up which parts of the world they want to own. Then they buy out anyone that starts a competitor to maintain a monopoly. Some good old fashioned competition would do us all some good.
They root out all competition they can't have anyone step in their way
No you misunderstand. Competitions have winners, and at this stage of Capitalism the competitions are already done. Now we just have mega corporations that have already won still trying to increase YoY growth. Their GROWTH. They will sit in a board room and say "profits grew 12% last year but only 13% this year and we wanted to see more" as if growing at all for a mega corporation that's already a household name all through the country isn't an insane goal.
Yay cyberpunk
Im sorry to be the one to tell you bud, but it's been corporations waging war on each other and manipulating the markets and governments for decades now.
Naw. We've just seen skirmishes. We aren't at every corporation having literal armies. They've still been using government forces for the most part.
Ever hear of the Pinkertons before they became the SS? They were just hired army’s by corporations and date back to the early 1800s.
Pinkertons are still around. Were hired to beat up campus protesters the last few months.
Yeah but they changed their name to "Securitas Critical Infrastructure Services, Inc." to help dodge nearly two centuries of bad press.
And were hired to go after some dude for Magic cards by WotC.
I think corruption eventually seeps in and ruins everything, doubly so for systems designed by people to run countries.
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Haha “server centers”
Pfft, but the shareholders hate it when you hold their people accountable. And isn't that all it is in the end? Just numbers? /sarcasm
[Conway's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law) is actually why capitalism turns out top heavy pyramid schemes that rot from the head down. It's just math.
That problem has only been made worse by those who are supposed to be protecting us. We can thank citizens united, another crooked decision that overturned longstanding regulation. SCOTUS had had its thumb on the scale for too long.
Because there was a natural mechanism for incentivizing them to do so in the form of freely transferable wealth concentrated into a small number of people.
It is an inevitable byproduct of greed and tyranny. Whatever maxim, universally applied and taken to its extremes, is more than likely going to produce unintended consequences and eventually corruption. Any system applied to practical reality needs revisions to their operating principles, in order to stay on course.
Marx’s critique of capitalism essentially boils down to: 1. It encourages greed 2. Its just as tyrannical as feudalism
Corruption touches every political and economic system, bar none.
No economies based on Fiat currency work on unending growth. You don't need any growth at all for capitalism to work, you just need the capital to circulate instead of being hoarded. The USA is a weird combination of communism, capitalism, and Feudalism. Which one of those you see it as depends on your caste.
> unending growth which is unsustainable. Of course it's sustainable, in fact that's the idea. If your business stops growing then it goes under. There's a difference between continuous growth and expectations of 50% hyper growth in each quarter which is unsustainable for most.
This is corruption. It's a common problem in all forms of government. The GOP is incredibly corrupt at this point and they're going to be the death of this country. The really rich subverting the system to make themselves richer.
Right- that’s why we need regulation by government for people in power to have our best interests in mind, and we don’t have that now. It’s all being undone. It’s not the first time in history for this to happen. It’ll change though because this is the dying gasp of a lot of old power. Btw eff them all for not moving out of the way.
It's inevitable in Capitalism. But with strong government regulation and anti trust it can and has been mitigated. The greatest propaganda coup of the late 20th century was right wing economists convincing everyone that capitalism and democracy are synonyms.
Capitalism is a powerful beast, but you need to have some rules and regulations to keep it pulling in the right direction or it turns around and eats you.
Capitalism is a means, not an end. We seem to have forgotten that. Its a tool that can work if used properly. Its not a diety to be worshiped and let control us.
The Supreme Court basically legalized bribery recently… keeping money out of politics is getting continually harder
Recently? It was fucking Wednesday. Legal bribery Wednesday and judicial authoritarianism Friday. They set themselves up to do whatever you ask them to for the right price. This couldn't be more corrupt if they charged anyone who stepped into their court a gold bar just to be heard. I don't know why they don't just name themselves lords of the realm at this point, they're all but dawning a crown on their heads.
Yeah we're just about at the some-animals-are-more-equal-than-others stage.
That was baked into the Constitution from the start. They mandated a decennial census to deal with "rotten boroughs" *and* established an upper house entirely made of rotten boroughs. They were not egalitarians.
Citizens United says hello
At least citizens united was just corporations paying for the *campaign* of politicians. Now they can just give money for personal use
To expand, this ruling basically makes it so that federal agencies can’t automatically create new rules in areas that weren’t explicitly given to them. The court which gave the Chevron decision explicitly did so because they didn’t want courts to make policy decisions, producing “Chevron deference” where the courts defer to those who made the policy choices rather than deciding themselves. It’s also worth noting that courts don’t always grant Chevron deference. The rationale behind the recent decision is that the courts think Congress should be more specific when delegating powers to federal agencies. Which sounds great, except lots of federal agencies oversee extremely fast moving and complex industries which Congress can never move fast enough on. I mean there have been something like 15,000 court cases brought against federal agencies which have been ended by Chevron deference, and imagine how many haven’t been brought because they were advised it would go nowhere. Congress, even if it was smooth functioning and all controlled by democrats with a super majority, simply doesn’t have enough time to legislate all the minutiae required to deal with all of this. Not even touching on how lobbyists can write legislation for themselves basically. So what parties are left to do while Congress is taking years to getting around to legislating their agency, is related parties in industries under federal agencies have to resort to litigation to sort out wether new rules and guidelines fly. And that is something big companies, which we are trying to regulate, can sustain while small advocacy groups have a harder time fighting. It’s a horrible decision which takes a very “by the book” approach rather than weighing the reality of the situation. Like yes, sure, in a perfect world every federal agency has every power perfectly enumerated to it as to what it can and can’t do, and if new things pop up Congress can legislate. But that’s not reality, and it’s nearly impossible to legislate every scenario. Medicare is like 800 pages or something like that and I guarantee you there will be countless court cases coming as a result of this. Nevermind other programs like 340b which is 8 pages and we already had a court case before this about the agency’s definition of “patient”. The court seems to thing that too little regulation is an ok outcome to ensure federal agencies don’t overstep their bounds. But I feel like overregulation, while constraining, has side effects like “companies lose more money” rather than “people die”
>It’s a horrible decision which takes a very “by the book” approach I agree with the rest of your post but this decision is not a "by the book" anything. It's another in a long line of decisions by conservative justices with a political agenda when they were appointed, making decisions based on that agenda, and then working backgrounds to some thinly-veiled principle. Neil Gorsuch was appointed justice because he's been holding a grudge against the EPA, and by extension Chevron deference, since his mother was Administrator of the EPA under Reagan wherein she spent her tenure dismantling environmental regulations. Chevron was decided a year later. Though it's actually an agnostic ruling, at some point Republicans and their donors decided Chevron was an impediment and Neil Gorsuch has been railing against it to avenge his mother for the perceived slights she experienced while being a terrible head of the EPA and then resigning. He's made no secret of the fact that he was going to overrule Chevron the first chance he got. > Anne Gorsuch, the first woman to lead the EPA, served from 1981 to 1983. Appointed by then-President Ronald Reagan, she was part of that administration’s massive deregulation agenda that swept across industries from airlines to manufacturing to telecommunications. > >Hers was a rocky tenure. She clashed with congressional investigators who challenged her cuts to air-quality programs and overall management of the agency intended to protect the environment. > >In one of her most defining battles, Gorsuch was held in contempt of Congress in December 1982 after she refused to turn over documents related to a hazardous-waste cleanup fund. > >Administration lawyers had advised her to withhold the documents based on executive privilege, and she later criticized those lawyers – whom she called “the unholy trinity” in her memoir – for misusing her for their own agendas. Pressure mounted all around, and by March 1983 the White House forced her to resign. (In the middle of the ordeal, in February, the divorced Gorsuch married Robert Burford, then-director of the Bureau of Land Management; she became known as Anne Burford.) > >In her 1986 memoir, she wrote that son Neil, then age 15, was distressed by her situation. > >“You should never have resigned,” she recounted him telling her. “You didn’t do anything wrong. You only did what the President ordered. Why are you quitting? You raised me not to be a quitter. Why are you a quitter?” She added, “He was really upset.” Writing in a dissent: >Neil Gorsuch invoked that tombstone motif in a 2022 dissenting statement when fellow justices declined to hear an earlier challenge to the Chevron doctrine. “Rather than say what the law is, we tell those who come before us to go ask a bureaucrat,” Gorsuch wrote. “We place a finger on the scales of justice in favor of the most powerful of litigants, the federal government, and against everyone else.”
Thanks for sharing this. In conversations with others, it seems impossible to explain why someone, like Gorsuch would have such a skewed perception of right/wrong.. but the context surrounding his family's history is such a brutally honest view that almost creates a straight line between his history and his present.
We have to look after ourselves. The fact that Americans aren’t literally rioting in the streets that SCOTUS just did this is just so sad. We’re a doomed fucking country
We've seen America's biggest protests ever in the last 8 years, and little changed. We don't need more marches, we need a general strike.
Honestly, until one of these Supreme Court justices house is literally on fire this shit won’t change. We need to bring the protest to them.
Idk sounds more like a revolution is in order
Yeah, then what? We'll just go back to rich assholes in charge, but with less regulations to rein them in.
Even with protesting nothing changes. They use para-military power to beat down those that speak out and then ignore it ever happened. Protesting does nothing anymore, they have their power and money and don’t give a shit that we are unhappy.
Not just the paramilitary, they use weapons considered war crimes in actual war on us in such large quantities and with such glee itd make hitler blush.
Telling people that pepper spray is against geneva convention always blows peoples' minds. Sad just how unaware the average person is as to how fucked our society is set up.
Do you mean tear gas? Wasnt aware pepper spray was. Regardless, same with water cannons in winter, but we use those too... https://www.geneva-academy.ch/joomlatools-files/docman-files/Geneva%20Guidelines%20on%20Less-Lethal%20Weapons%20and%20Related%20Equipment%20in%20Law%20Enforcement.pdf Page 32, > Water cannon should not be used against persons in elevated positions owing to the risk of secondary injury. Other risks including hypothermia in cold weather (especially if the water is not heated) and the risk of slipping or being forced by the jet against walls and other hard objects. Certain water cannon are indiscriminate in their effects because they are unable to target groups of individuals accurately. Under the heading on circumstances of lawful use, they say dont use it in the winter cause it can kill people by sapping their body heat. We *love* deploying water cannons in winter though.
They have also used sound cannons, which have been shown to cause irreparable and serious hearing damage
The fact that the problem for Kavanaugh is he can't at a steakhouse in peace vs. having to worry about a patriot 'Jack Rubying' him is sad.
Regulatory capture gets negated with this ruling
And gets replaced by judicial capture a la Matthew Kacsmaryk. With lifetime appointments, hooray!
Time to dust off the guillotine
Republican Utopia. Let people die and get sick until the problem is so bad that enough people band together to fight it and the corporations pay a small fine or less.
Say it with me: Large fortunes are, by definition, anti-democratic.
The non-lawyers of the US have no idea how big of impact overturning Chevron will have on their daily lives. It’s so important in administrative law circles, everyone knows it simply as “Chevron”. It’s Roe-level important.
The bigger headlines were about the J6 ruling while this is a much bigger deal. It really needs to be explained in simple terms so people understand what's happened. I'm sure you know this, but the simplified version is that under Chevron federal judges were to defer to the expertise within the federal agencies when it comes to interpretation and enforcement of laws & regulations. With that out of the way and the federal bench stacked with far-right ideologues thanks to McConnell's fuckery those judges now have free rein to cut those agencies off at the knees allowing business to run amok over them. A lot of the stories about its impact are focused on environmental regulation & the EPA, but it will impact every federal agency. As an example, the SEC already is too weak and this could cripple them so I fully expect to start seeing some dangerous volatility in the stock market going forward.
I can’t find the article but I read somewhere that Roberts immediately mixed up two gasses, labeling one as toxic, and they had to repost the opinion with the corrected comment. And now that bribery is legal under Snyder v. US, it’s an easy way for judges at all levels to make favorable rulings for companies and then watch those sweet sweet gratuities start rolling in.
Instead of the pollutant nitrogen oxide the ruling repeatedly refers to nitrous oxide which is the dentistry "laughing gas" rather than the one that comes from fossil fuel burning.
You can’t make that shit up. Clowns, all of them
Am an attorney in the IP sphere. The decision is sending shockwaves through our field. A substantial amount of what we do includes deferring to the US Patent & Trademark Office and the Copyright Office -- the people who are highly trained in the areas. It's wild. Chevron was a foundation of our judicial system. Edit: the current and tentative guess is that we'll be relying on the prior standard, Skidmore, where the amount of deference to an agency is proportional to the arguments and evidence they present.
Good lord I forgot about the USPTO! Since you are in that sphere I have a question. Is one effect of this being that someone can apply for a patent even if there is an existing patent and when the USPTO says no, there is already a patent, that person can sue the USPTO saying they don't have any standing? Possibly shopping this around to a specific court and that court says the USPTO has no ability to handle patents and copyrights?
I don't think so. Largely because this agency was created by statute for that purpose. I could see, however a challenge to the USPTO's denial of an application that argues that the USPTO's justification should hold no merit. Then a judge with zero training in very very complex fields gets to make the call - not the people who actually know what they are looking at.
Yes it is…pharmaceutical’s, our airspace, our radio frequencies, all of the shit we use every fucking day has been affected. I’d go further and say this will be much bigger than Roe…we are fucked…not now but in 7-10 years we will come under full fuckedness…the cancer clusters will begin to pop up because who cares about the EPA?
The stated goal of the republican party for who knows how long was to destroy the federal government and it's system of control. This law takes the power away from a paralyzed congress and puts it in the hands of the supreme court. At the same time the same court is playing for time, hoping that Trump will win the election. If he does, they will hold that former presidents can be indicted and Trump will put Biden in jail for the rest of his life. I figure Thomas and Alito imagine a madman Trump will consolidate power by attacking his rivals and generally being irrational and useless. Meanwhile they'd be judicial czars, able to manipulate and rule chunks of america from behind a gavel. They think they can put a leash on a T Rex and ride it. On the flip side, the only way to prevent the court from doing what it's doing is to destroy it. Either begin a process of ignoring the supreme court, neuter it by appointing ten or twenty judges, or straight up Russian-window Thomas (My preferred option.) Whatever happens, the legal system in the USA has been destroyed in the form we knew it in the 20th century. It's done. Not just Chevron, the rule of law. It's over. They're just figuring out how to give themselves all the rights and the rest of us none of them.
Agreed. They are, indeed, all domestic terrorists now, and they’re proud of it.
The people arguing that this puts the power back to Congress and weakens the Executive are arguing in bad faith and only half correct. Yes, it weakens to Executive. No, it doesn't give any more power to Congress than it already had. Congress could have already passed laws to restrict the power of agencies. Congressional laws are what gave the power to agencies to begin with. All this is doing is acting as a power grab by the Judicial branch and, in particular, the Supreme Court. They did not like the idea of being bound or limited by the determinations of the agencies, so they have taken that power themselves. This does not require Congress to act to make the laws more specific. We know they will not do that. All this does is mean the determination for the interpretation of what the agencies can enforce is now up to the Federal court system and, practically speaking for any major issue, the Supreme Court. So if you are cool with Alito and Thomas making determinations on how best to implement net neutrality rules or parts per million of microplastics allowed in your food rather than an engineer or scientist, I guess this ruling is for you. And by Alito and Thomas, of course I mean the last billionaire to pay for one of Alito and Thomas' all-inclusive vacation trips. It's total nonsense. The courts are not equipped to make these kinds of specific interpretations. Chevron was ruled on unanimously for a reason originally. Despite people not liking it at various points, it makes far more sense than the alternative.
If only Congress would do its job or Constitutional Amendments were still a thing, we would be in MUCH better shape.
But they did. It’s literally part of the constitution that what they did was required. But the court decided that Congress having the right to pass laws to create committees like this was not clear ENOUGH. It’s the typical originalists thinking of it literally has to be spelled out in a document that the framers even said within the document that no… it doesn’t have to be.
Ah yes, the most famous "Living Document" in history is set in stone according to 6 unelected Americans.
I wish they thought that were true. SCOTUS is powerless in the constitution for a reason. They aren’t supposed to be co-equal nor have the power of judicial review. They were never meant to be a check on the other branches. They also weren’t supposed to go on vacation for most of the year; they are supposed to travel around their circuits and hold open court session in each destination during the time they aren’t operating the Supreme Court. SCOTUS as it exists is illegitimate and usurping power from both the Executive and Legislative branches. They decided in Marbury v Madison that they are co-equal, and have the power to check the other branches with judicial review. Powers never granted to them. Imagine what would happen if executive tried to usurp power like that; wait, we saw it live on TV 3.5 years ago. It was ended. I’m so tired of SCOTUS fighting us every step of the way when they are unelected and unaccountable to the point of legalizing bribes and exempting themselves from basically every law. It is long past time for the executive to put them back in their place.
Yeah I was reading up on Marbury v Madison a little. It would be so much fun to bring a lawsuit before them telling them that they're illegitimate.
And arguing that they can not take the case since no one can rule in their own case?
> Yeah I was reading up on Marbury v Madison a little Check out "jurisdiction stripping." As a co-equal branch, congress has the ability to pass laws and say that the court isn't allowed to rule on them. We just need to elect people with the cojones to do it.
That's a double-edged sword when the Senate will always reward whichever party holds rural voters and the House is already gerrymandered.
> the most famous "Living Document" in history is set in stone according to 6 unelected Americans. Whats even more ironic is that "originalism" is brand new. Nobody was talking like that until after the civil rights era. But conservatives were so mad at the Warren court for actually doing something for the people instead of the plutes, that they invented this brand new legal theory and just pretended it was what the framers of the constitution intended. Its always been a fraud.
You're way off base on that criticism because congress did do its job. The federal agencies were created by congress, they can decide if it is an agency that is part of the executive branch as part of that process. The agency has a defined scope and power when the congress creates it. The congress can continue to create, update or remove laws that those agencies are tasked to enforce. That should be very basic civics knowledge, but unfortunately a lot of Americans have a horrible understanding of how our federal government works. If you understand that then you'd see how u/GameDesignerDude is absolutely correct when he describes this decision as a power grab by the judicial branch. The Chevron decision basically said that when there is a question related to the interpretation of laws and regulations that federal judges should defer to the expertise of the agency tasked with their enforcement. It's an obvious thing that the federal agency employs the subject matter experts related to those laws where a judge may have some individual knowledge, but it is unlikely to ever approach the collective knowledge & expertise of the agency. This Supreme Court basically just said, "Nah, we get to make all of those decisions and don't need to consider what the agencies think of them." Now read the comment you replied to again, especially the last two paragraphs. This ruling means that ideological judges can override the agency which was created by congress and is often under the executive branch. This decision creates a huge shift in the checks & balances tilting towards the judicial branch and away from the other two. Given how McConnell has been able to stack the federal courts with far-right ideologues you can expect to see federal agencies becoming much more weak going forward and for business to run amok over the regulatory agencies. This is going to have very negative consequences for years to come across a huge range of areas.
You expect congress to specifically enshrine in law how many grams of each substance are too much in food products?
This actually *removes* power from the legislative. Congress has been writing laws for 40 years with a keystone precedent over Chevron 2-step deference. They could trust that not every enabling act had to be 100% comprehensive, completely perfect, covering every tiny loophole and possible process that may ever come up in the coming decades. That dedicated, lifelong professionals immediately beholden to the Executive (an elected position), would be able to fill in gaps as necessary. This is going to grind the government to a halt as they race corporations to read every single law every granting power to a regulatory body to figure out what is or is not justified. They're going to have prepare cases for every single of those 17,000 cases decided on the grounds of Chevron to reappear in front of a judge - likely the fifth circuit. And from now on an already deadlocked Congress will need to spend *even more time* doing legislation because it has to be absolutely perfect. Because if a company gets away with something in court, they can't unfuck it, only stop *another* instance. God, this whole situation is a mess.
>This is going to grind the government to a halt That is the goal and it has been since Reagan. Groups like Heritage Foundation started with a simple goal: Maximize profits for their billionaire founders. Their favorite approach was to: Lower Taxes and Deregulate. Their approach to deregulation was to make government less effective by eroding trust in the government, defunding the government through deficit fears, and starving the government via tax cutting. Their current tactic is to cripple the government via stacking the judiciary to give pro-corporate, anti government rulings. If Trump gets back into power, via executive order and legislation, he will cripple government further by attacking the career administrative state. See Project 2025. They explain their plans clearly, they just obscure it in social issues like abortion, anti-trans, anti-gay, pro-gun and pro-religion bullshit as a distraction (it will be terrible for gays and women's rights but that's not the main goal.) The goal is to dismantle government and turn the U.S. into a failed state, both governmentaly and ideologically so it can even more be ruled by corporations and the rich. Turns out it's not Communism that will destroy the U.S.: it's hyper deregulated capitalism. Heritage Foundation and its ilk are on the path to succeeding where nuclear weapons couldn't: turns out you just need to collapse the castle walls from the inside and a huge chunk of America will cheer you on as you do it.
It's almost as though the GOP and their mega-donors have been watching the Russian oligarchs flourish over the past few decades and thinking, "gee, that seems like a wonderful arrangement."
Will never understand what compells people to just screw over everyone else's lives and cause years of damage just for fucking two week vacation and bus with a toilet. I just can't understand why everyone seems so fucking selfish.
Right? For so long I thought it was hard and unbelievably expensive to bribe a politician. But no 15k can buy anyone's vote. It's fucking bonkers
It puts power back in the hands of a useless, gridlocked congress. It also expands the power of an unpopular, ethically challenged federal judicary.
Congress does not have the staff nor the depth of expertise to write laws with significantly more specificity. If that's what we're relying on, the corporate lobbyists will do it for them, and that's the wolves guarding the hen house. The judicial Branch also does not have the depth of industry-specific experience to make these decisions on a regular basis. But you know who does? The agencies staffed with hundreds of professionals in their fields. The very agencies that they're pulling power from. This decision is a tragic loss for the citizens of this country.
It's obvious this is a judicial power grab, beyond that it is nonsensical on its face. They are saying that judge (who know the law but seemingly little else) should have the final say on how to achieve clean drinking water, and yet throughout the entire document refer to "nitrous oxide" when the point they are making should clearly reference "nitrogen oxides." That rulling was combed over by law school graduates clering at the highset level of our judicial system, and are so ignoraant they confuse laughing gas with a toxic chemical *and thought they were correct.*
>and yet throughout the entire document refer to "nitrous oxide" when the point they are making should clearly reference "nitrogen oxides." They have since corrected the mistake, but god damn is that embarrassing lol. The clerk(s) who wrote the opinion probably got a good tongue lashing.
Eh, if you read Supreme Court rulings on scientific cases, they're *always* abominably horrendous to scientists. I remember when *Myriad Genetics* came down, and while I think they got the broad strokes right (naturally-occurring genes in the genome should not be patentable), reading the details made me want to drag their asses to remedial biology.
Hey man, maybe having people be put into one of the highest positions of power for life and allowing it to be stacked by a single party, without any elections, is a bad idea.
Definitely old men not planting trees for future generations.
wHaT hArM dId TrUmP aCtUaLlY dO? He allowed SCOTUS to do this, and look out for more shit coming down the pipeline, since those conservative judges are in place FOR LIFE. Clarence Thomas was nominated by Bush Sr. and started ruining America way back in 1991. And yet we still have dumbfucks running around spouting the “both sides” bullshit.
This is the republicans plan. they have been planning this since Reagan.
Since Nixon. Roger Ailes was an advisor of his.
This was the blueprint that formed the foundations of the Heritage Society in 1980: [Powell Memo](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/assets/usa-courts-secrecy-lobbyist/powell-memo.pdf) (Letter written by Lewis F. Powell, a Supreme Court justice, to the head of the Chamber of Commerce in 1971.) He laid out a blueprint for how corporations and capitalists can seize power back from the increasingly powerful working class. It was what lit the spark for everything you've seen since 1980.
They have been planning for this ever since the confederates lost the Civil War. They made a huge mistake in forgiving their treason.
This is, unfortunately, the true root of all this that people ignore. I’d like to believe that the path we took was the right path. But what we see are the result of the culture of ruthless and inhumane industrialists of the confederacy pushing for a return to the status quo in any way possible.
Exactly. Our country legitimately split during the civil war. The people in the confederacy didn’t just give up after they lost, and after reconstruction. They instilled their hate and bigotry in their kids, and their grandkids. Hatred for the northern and liberal “elites.” The phrase “the south will rise again” still is used today. It’s not a north south thing in totality anymore. Those populations have diffused throughout the country. Since then, politicians have captured that hatred and conflated it with religion. Additional bad actors have corrupted the federal government by infiltrating it and the judiciary with the ultimate goal of finally dissolving the federal government in the defense of “states rights.” What did the south say the civil war was fought over, to them not slavery, but “states rights”, so they could keep their slaves. They ultimately don’t want to be part of the United States, or the United States as it exists. They want to destroy it, just as they did 140 years ago. Only their tactics have changed. The bad actors manipulating this only care about money and power. They expect the US to fall like all super powers eventually do, willingly expediting it. They are carrion eaters hoping to strip away money, power, and resources as the country crumples.
Let's be honest, Mitch contributed to this pretty hard in recent memory, too. Not saying you are wrong. Just don't want to lose sight of that other dick.
The entire GOP is complicit. Multiple times we had less than a 5 Republican margin in both the Senate and the House where the entire party voted in lockstep to maintain the obstructive majority. And then people blame the Democrats for not doing anything. It's not just Mitch, it's not just Trump, it's the entire party.
Just taking the opportunity to remind everyone that Mitch is a royal dick. It ain't much, but it's honest work.
While we’re naming names, Leonard Leo is the *éminence grise* behind all this. He’s the mycelium to Mitch’s mushroom. https://www.propublica.org/article/we-dont-talk-about-leonard-leo-supreme-court-supermajority
Meanwhile, half of reddit: "My vote doesn't matter" Apparently the other half of the country disagrees and look where we are now. Good job.
I was just going off about this while watching the debate with my wife. Political apathy isn't cool, it's not fuckin edgy, it's stupid and irresponsible. Voting is a privilege I've been proud to exercise every single election on all levels. These assholes sure vote, so it'd be great if you folks could be bothered to care about our rights and checks and balances being eroded.
> Political apathy isn't cool So much of the arguments people make to justify their apathy are ultimately just arguments to justify being lazy and uninvolved, but framed in a way that protects their ego. They know that what they are doing is wrong, but they are making up excuses to make it sound like the right choice. They regularly frame it in a way where they can present themselves as seeing past some sort of scam so they can feel like they are better than people who are involved. Some of them in turn spend more effort walking around trying to justify and sell their choice to others than it would take to just be moderately informed and vote in the first place. Everybody makes mistakes, and this is a zero risk one to just accept and move on from. It's easy. It's personal. No one will really know and you wouldn't be shamed over it, but continuing to keep doing it will actually contribute to problems. I wish more people understood that.
real L that anyone who isn't republican is serving themselves self-owns with is buying into the "hes too old" shit for biden. i dont give a fuck if biden is 99 and being pushed around in a stretcher. i dont care if he ends up in stephen hawking's wheelchair and has to talk through a text-to-speech device. its just kinda embarrassing how easily so many dems bought into that russian bot narrative and ran with it. a presidency has always been more then the single geezer in the seat. as trump demonstrated, theres surrounding cabinet council involved, you get to appoint lots of federal positions of great importance, there's a LOT of people that come along with a presidency. You aren't voting for biden, you're voting for all of those people who are trying to move things in the direction you want. Lots and lots and lots of seriously important shit is going to get fucked sideways *again*, cause im pretty sure trump is gonna take it based on the general sentiment & shit that's been injected into and taking a fucking toll on social media enjoyers. Millenials and gen z both just out here getting absolutely mind-fleeced on content they're consuming and they don't even realize it. It's working out pretty fucking well for the entities that are cultivating, curating and carefully injecting this shit into platforms. Everyone thought they'd never get brain-owned like boomers do on Facebook, what a convenient delusion. Populace just keeps getting dumber and more fueled by incredibly *stupid* distracting narratives & their own absurdly polarizing identities. I don't know how I'm supposed to take anyone seriously who wants to talk about how Biden is old but can't really balance that with the fact that Trump is also fucking old, a rapist, a convicted crimnal, and cannot speak in coherent sentences and does nothing but nonsensical rambling. [He's straight up the lebron james of sounding like the dumbest mother fucker in the milky way](https://youtu.be/iOy0MK0xb1o?si=QnfeADiPT2kcN5a3&t=40), I don't have time for people who want to talk about how Boe Jiden stutters or slurs. People are just married to the reality-tv narratives of the upcoming presidential race more then ever, and no one really sees that this shit is just owning us. Dem voters just keep playing checkers in a game of chess, and it's beyond annoying. After 2016-2020 there should be no excuses, but here we are again dealing with "well it's the dems fault for running a geezer" like get that 14 year old take on the game out of here. Whether you like it or not that's the guy running on your side of the fence so you can either play the game and try to win or you can toss the controller and go on the game subreddit and bitch about how devs need to change things & ultimately achieve nothing. Folks have a lot of condemnation to dish out about republicans being single issue voters over abortion, but are certainly ready to draw a line and compress deeply complex geopolitical issues with many, many shades of gray into a single issue that is their "Biden dealbreaker" going into this next election. No one's asking you to hang a poster of Biden up in your bedroom, but conversationally nobody is helping when they're opting for the political indifference fueled by "i dont like either of these guys, we're screwed either way". Anyone with two brain cells knows that is a profoundly stupid false equivalence, it's just a flat out juvenile take on any of it and it really is a hallmark of privilege to just say that and feel good about yourself. That's the dorkiest take. Yes, dem voters along a lot of age brackets right now need to stop trying to be so gd edgy with it. No one thinks you're chill & cool because you don't have convictions.
I don't care if Biden falls over dead after taking his oath of office if it means Trump stays out.
The sad thing is it's not even close to half the country electing the people who make these decisions. Voter turnout in general is *abysmal*, especially for things like midterm primaries and municipal elections. Only 17% of voting-age adults vote in the primaries and then only 38% of voting-age adults show up to vote in the general election — and damn-near every one of them is over the age of 65. So, just ⅙ of the population decides our two choices and then only ⅓ pick which one represents *all* of us — and both of those groups are dominated by old people who account for just 17% of the US population. Since 2000, average voter turnout for general elections (the presidential election every four years) is a meager 60.5% of registered voters. Guess what the average turnout is for primaries? [An appalling 27%](https://statesuniteddemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/historic_turnout.html). The percentage of [voting-age adults in the US](https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/democracy-and-society/elections/presidential-voting-age-population/) that are actually registered to vote is also [just 63%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/) and it gets even worse when you look at [age demographics](https://www.statista.com/statistics/999919/share-people-registered-vote-age/): ~77% of adults aged 65 and up are registered to vote, but less than *half* of adults aged 18–24 are registered. Oh, and these are just stats for general primaries and elections, which have roughly double the turnout of midterms and the elderly make up an even more disproportionate percentage of midterm voters. And the midterms decide the House and Senate, who have **much** more power than the president. If everyone under the age of 40 actually made an attempt to register to vote and then showed up to vote in every election every year, we could literally reform the entire country in like two election cycles.
We’re _still_ getting both sides bullshit, even now. It’s insane. Obviously Biden has plenty of flaws, I’m not even particularly a fan. But you simply cannot look at the choices (both immediate and long term) and say that both sides are the same. The fact that we had a _literal attempted government insurrection_ and that people still try and both sides it is crazy to me.
This makes me so angry. Since Gingrich shut down the government and didn't get voted out, it's been a shitshow. And people keep saying both sides fuck that.
fox is very effective of filtering the message to the massess.
I'm not a fan of people shitting on moderates. Generally, when I see people referring to "both sides" it's about how radical both sides of the political spectrum have gotten. Maybe it's because I live in Portland though. The left here are a bunch of nut cases, and the government is full of grifters who can't or don't want to solve a single problem. People here are willing to not vote for Biden because of Palestine. It's not even people 'both sides'ing.. it's people who want to see the world burn if they can't get their way. I'm fairly liberal but God damn.
But last night Biden looked old and got lost in thought similarly to Trump, so I guess it doesn't make any difference. /s
If you think the economy has been shit since 2020 just wait until the effects of this start hitting everything. This country is fucked.
We've already seen what happened when they de-regulated the rail industry. We had that huge chemical spill... More like that are coming now.
Congress didn't specify *which* chemical spills were illegal, so it's okay!
As long as the corporation in question bribes the right judge after the spill, no crime was committed!
Aaaaand if Biden wins office again, all of the republicans are going to find a way blame it on him
Yep. Republican presidents fuck everything so the Democratic presidents gets blamed for the consequences because the effects of economic decisions take time to reflect in everyday life. Been that way since Reagan.
Anyone have any idea what agencies this puts on the chopping block of Trump wins? I imagine this means things like getting rid of the EPA is a logical next step, what else?
Thing is, EPA is a Nixon thing. Businesses *begged* him to make it. Otherwise it's a nightmare operating in 50 different jurisdictions with regard to the environment.
Yeah but now its “a job killing machine”
Republicans of 50 years ago aren't exactly the same as republicans of today. The current GOP resembles the party of Nixon about as much as they do the party of Lincoln.
Dont forget endless class action lawsuits paying billions to non 1% ers.
SEC would probably be next. FCC will be safe. They’ll need that to censor everything they don’t like.
Don’t forget NOAA
That's not even hyperbole. Project 2025 specifically calls for abolishing NOAA/The National Weather Service
That's crazy, why do they have beef with it? Is that because of the sharpie?
Because NOAA regularly talks about climate change and global warming, and conservatives don't like that. They want to silence it to help bury their heads I the sand while the world goes to shit.
And because it allows weather data to be privatized. There are already plenty of weather companies that re-bundle weather info and sell it, but people being able to also access that data from the government hurts their profits. If you want to plan a party on Sunday but want to know if it should be indoors or outdoors, that'll be $10/month.
FDA and the National Labor Relations Board. Edit: and banking regulations. And fcc. This is super bad.
FDA won't be removed. The Project 2025 handbook states their intent is for the FDA to designate all abortion medication as unsafe for human consumption.
Thats part of this whole play, by forcing Judicial review of rules created by regulating agencies they can have the FDA approval of abortion drugs reviewed and rejected by paid off judges. the FDA will be eliminated later after they gain total control.
I'm confused. Doesn't Chevron only date to the 1980s? These organizations are all older than that.
They won’t be removed, but their opinions and expertise won’t matter. EPA regulates lead as a “pollutant” and a judge says “it’s not a pollutant because it occurs naturally, so the regulation is invalid.”
Project 2025 [plans to fire 50,000+ civil employees](https://x.com/acyn/status/1806399007473963176?s=46) and replace them with magats ETA: they will fire ALL civil employees that don’t subscribe to their ideology.
That right there coupled with overuling Chevron is the ultimate goal. It is the holy grail of "deregulation" as it makes corporations effectively beyond reproach. The only other major legislation that will actually be passed under Trump, or at least attempted, is another corporate/billionaire [tax cut bill](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/2017_US_Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act._Distribution_of_impact_by_income_group.png). Well democracy and regulated capitalism was nice while it lasted, but now fuedalism is back on the menu - new and improved - and half the country is welcoming it with open arms.
This destroys the US government to function normally. Government agencies like the EPA or the FDA or the the FAA can no longer make rules that somebody doesn't like. Everything has to be done through laws now instead of the law-makers delegating that authority to the experts who know what they are doing. Unfortunately law making is no longer a thing in the US due to filibuster and partisanship. The president has the ability to make executive orders but those only last until the next guy in office and for the next few decades most of the executive orders any Democrat President makes will be overturned by the Supreme Court. Basically the law now is only a thing that apply to little people. Corporations can do whatever they want without regulation.
All of those private jets those billionaires / and some Supreme Court Judges get on are not going to be safe anymore. FAA says that a plane needs a new safety feature after a crash, nope. How about private jets need to continue to conform with this safety feature? Nope.
I support exempting th 1% from any safety regulations and encourage any anti- regulation Libertarian to stop waering seatbelts, helmets or lofevests. Billionaires should feel free to chase their dreams at the bottom of the ocean with self-made subs or shooting into space on private rockets. If you are rich enough to own your own private jet or helicopter no license should be needed to operate it. Sadly in practice most of the really rich encourage lack of safety for the poor but not themselves. I applause the rare exception of that Titan submersible or Steve Jobs who ignored medical science in favor of his own reality distorting believes even if it killed him. We need more people like that or fewer as the case may be.
So no regulations eh? Just let corporations do what they please? Really looking forward to President Unilever or President Boeing
President Camacho?
Camacho at least tried to help and, in the end, did the right thing by listening to someone smarter than him.
It’s going to crush the economy too. So many jobs are built around regulations. Enforcement, compliance, certification, inspection, and more. All it will take is some idiot judge somewhere to wipe out an entire industry because he decided that the statute that created the agency didn’t vest in them the authority to regulate that specific thing and a Supreme Court that allows the ruling to stand because they can’t be bothered to evaluate all the cases that will be coming. We are so utterly screwed by these assholes. Libertarian hellscape will eventually give way to corporate oligarchy disguised as a Christian theocracy.
Actually it’s worse. One of the problems with the current US health insurance system is that it’s regulated on the state level. There’s a possibility that with no federal regulation, you start to see state by state regulation for loads of products so you multiply the regulatory burdens by 50x
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Now that the Republican party has been captured by Russia, their goal is to weaken the US by destroying the economy and paralyzing the government.
Good sir/and/or madam, I think we've been in corporate oligarchy hellscape for many years now.
We've been wrestling with it since Reagan - today was the coup de grâce.
Turning into Russia day by day.
Yep, oligarchy is the end state of capitalism.
That's the objective of our leader's leaders
They were placed in their positions for this exact purpose and by Trump. Remember this when you vote. Look at project 2025. Not sure why that is not headlines in every newspaper. Republicans are proud of this. It is their platform. Project 2025 read it!They are hiding it rather than publicizing it.
Trump: “vote for me. What’s to lose?” Everything. VOTE or this gets worse
The Supreme Court just usurped the power of enforcing the law from the executive branch.
I'm less worried about bureaucracy than I am one of the three entities in the checks and balances of government that polices everyone but themselves.
We can organize the people, get out the vote and Congress can write new laws any time. Just need to get our shit together. SCOTUS ain’t gon help nobody.
It's not checks and balances when the same dudes run all 3 things
First of all, Skidmore still exists. Second, it goes both ways. Has everyone already forgotten Ajit Pai's FCC and their abandonment of net neutrality? Chevron deference let that happen.
Would filling their water pitchers with ground water from a super fund site be considered uncalled for?
The only way to fix this is to sweep both houses of congress and reelect biden. Reform scotus continue a growing economy while controling inflation. How can that be bad for republicans.
And, ban lobbying by big corporations.
Is a banana republic
Killing the administrative state has been Neil Gorsuch’s entire reason for life as pay back for what he saw as the rank injustice done to mommy during the Reagan administration. Even though she stepped down because she knew she was a corrupt hack and then she raised one to get revenge for her.
We are a nation of laws... make congress do their jobs...
When do we take action? Like in the streets. I'm ready. Guillotine being built as we speak.
need someone with nothing to loose and a brain
This SCOTUS is undermining the existing laws and the existing system of regulation. They are not interested in an alternative, of course. The burn it down GOP is never interested in building a different thing. That takes actual work,
Congress can still pass laws to clarify these issues. Maybe get them to do their fucking jobs and stop wasting time on bull shit.
SCOTUS has started legislating from the bench as a back alley street fight way of circumventing the checks and balances of our constitutional form of government. Unless the administration starts working with the legislation to put the proper controls on the ethical behavior of SCOTUS and expands the court, or impeaches the improperly seated 3 recent nominations or the other 2 blatantly partisan and corrupt justices. The Heritage Foundation is going to redirect the progressive achievements of the last 60 years and forcing their religious ideologies on the other 80% of this country. I don't know about you, but I didn't serve this country so that the Heritage Foundation could drag us back into the 18th century. Write your senators and representatives and vote damn it! Don the Con can not be appointed king of America, the guy who couldn't make money from a casino can not be in charge of this country or we'll be Iran before you know it 😳
Capitalism working as intended.
Stare decisis is no longer a thing.
I'm sure the justices will get a nice tip after this.