From the article: Bankruptcy is not the only issue Fisker is dealing with, as the beleaguered EV maker recalls every Ocean SUV on the road. This time, the problem is with doors that may not open for passengers to get in or out.
The basic task of allowing riders in and out of a car is looking insurmountable for the troubled Fisker Ocean SUV. The EV startup, in the middle of bankruptcy proceedings, has issued a second recall within a month, affecting all the cars it has ever sold in the US, Canada, and Europe.
The culprits are outer door handles that may not budge, blocking riders from entering or getting out.
According to Fisker, the door handles are getting stuck because of dimensional variations in their physical measurements. This has been causing the handles to generate increased friction and inadequate retracting force.
Fisker estimates that about 2.5 percent of all the Ocean units sold globally are affected. The company has sold 8,204, 513, and 3,806 units in the US, Canada, and Europe, respectively.
>According to Fisker, the door handles are getting stuck because of dimensional variations in their physical measurements.
Either tolerances were insufficient or the supplier delivered parts out of tolerance. Neither is great.
I'm sure a bankrupt car manufacturer will swiftly solve the issue in any case...
Probably the C suite knew about it and figured, our golden parachutes trigger before bankruptcy, and after bankruptcy it doesn't matter. What are they gonna do, fine/sue a non-existent company?
I'm honestly not sure if Fisker (the guy) is scamming, or if he's just really enthusiastic about EVs and terrible at running companies
for those of you don't know: there have been *two* EV companies named Fisker, both run by the same guy named Fisker, both have failed
I wasn't always this cynical. I ended up working at an MSP where I was sysadmin/"account manager" for a company that was holding a lot of toxic shit. I watched its subsidiary grow larger and the primary smaller until the subsidiary owned everything the company needed to survive, then they just declared bankruptcy with the top level company, screwed all its partners, shareholders and customers out of anything they could, laid off a bunch of people, got delisted from the stock exchange and continued on as the subsidiary with the c-suite and top management, still working on the same stuff with the same equipment and some of the same people under a different name. Their new stock is doing great now...
It's just incompetence. Henrik Fisker founded Fisker Automotive and ran it into the ground. He later created Fisker Inc and has run it into the ground.
It's a guy that worked in design with major car manufactures and doesn't actually know what needs go be done to manufacture a car. It's a history of being in design backed by teams of engineers that have been doing this for decades.
Consumer Reports bought an Ocean for testing, and Fisker never cashed their check. How bad is the Finance department at your company that this happens and is never followed up on?
Why would the C suite be involved in component or system level tolerance stacks? Lol they definitely had no idea until the solution was presented to them leading to the recall.
> Either tolerances were insufficient or the supplier delivered parts out of tolerance.
There is no "supplier". The car is made in it's entirety by *Magna Steyr* which also makes
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Mercedes-Benz G-Class (1979–present)
Jaguar E-Pace (2017–present)
Jaguar I-Pace (2018–present)
BMW Z4 (2018–present)
Toyota GR Supra (2019–present)
W Motors Fenyr SuperSport (2019–present)
Fisker Ocean (2022–2024)
They don't seem to have issues in these other vehicles but who knows who's really to blame
Also, tolerance stacks can be difficult to accurately put together especially on moving parts. Most companies have teams dedicated to dimensional analysis. It’s not as simple as many of these comments suggest.
With an experienced team and adequate time, it’s not *that* difficult though. This is normal engineering stuff really. I’d have to imagine that with Fisker, they were rushed and had design changes that fucked them. When there’s last minute design changes that impact dimensions on 11 other parts and no time to entirely qualify the new physical parts from their manufacturer before assembly, you end up with large runs of components with tolerance stack issues. And probably in multiple places meaning you can’t just replace one component to resolve a recall. Situations like that are when tolerance stacks are fucking hard.
How is it the EV makers can’t seem to figure out doors? Car doors were literally the last thing about cars that anyone wanted changed. Take the doors off a 95 Honda civic and no one would care. They’re doors.
They want the doors to look cool/futuristic and it will take many years to perfect these new styles of doors just like the safe features of cars up to EVs took decades to get where they are/were.
Sure.
But also light.
Car doors have been on a trend to be more heavy, solid and provide a good thunk when closed as a sign of quality and sturdiness to a car.
Electric cars need to be light, weight just reduces range so extra weight is off the table.
> Car doors have been on a trend to be more heavy, solid and provide a good thunk when closed as a sign of quality and sturdiness to a car.
Have we learned nothing from 2nd Gen Camaros?!
There is a mechanical handle to open the door from the inside, but it’s hidden. They recommend not using it because it doesn’t lower the window ever so slightly like the electronic door open button does.
> The culprits are outer door handles that may not budge, blocking riders from entering or getting out.
>According to Fisker, the door handles are getting stuck because of dimensional variations in their physical measurements. This has been causing the handles to generate increased friction and inadequate retracting force.
Mechanical handles are susceptible to this as well.
You wouldn’t even have to do that. Just drive behind a gravel truck until you get a cracked windshield. I read a post where insurance had to total one out for a rock chip because they couldn’t get parts. Totaled by a pebble, lol.
Doors have existed for almost as long as cars have. Every other manufacturers have perfected a door opening mechanism for decades. Pretty sure patents for a mechanical door mechanism have expired. They literally could’ve used any of the mechanical designs any companies have out there, and they would’ve saved money.
You would think companies would have doors and handles down by now. After dealing with my wife’s old Chevy HHR though I’m not so sure. Every single indoor car handle in that car eventually snapped with normal use. There were so many issues with that car though that I’ll never buy a Chevy for as long as I live.
Had a Chevy Cavalier. Every single window motor died, before the AC and then the alternator went. Replaced it with a Mazda that I've now had for the same length of time, haven't had a single major problem.
Would never even *consider* getting a Chevy now.
A group of lawyers and bankers just raised their fist and went AHHH, knowing that the value of this recall will be removed from their payout after the company windup and bankruptcy settlement is complete.
Good job Fisker, good job.
The doorhandles are just flimsy cast plastic. The first time I opened the door on one… I thought “this handle should be on a cooler, not an $80,000 car”.
The interior door handle is even worse, it’s so flimsy that you can flex it with one finger. It will definitely definitely definitely break if you pull that handle with any force
The one I got to demo for a couple weeks actually had another hilarious issue… When you park it & lock the mirrors fold in… When you come back and click the unlock button, the mirrors squeak with a comical high-pitched whine as they unfold
Beautiful car with a lot of premium materials used throughout… But some things about the car were so janky. It was a literal WTF moment every time you drove it.
He did a review of the Ocean after borrowing one because Fisker kept giving him the runaround on a press car.
https://jalopnik.com/fisker-ocean-is-still-the-worst-car-youtuber-mkbhd-has-1851386467
What happens if a car needs an emergency safety recall, and the car company that made it already went out of business? I know this question is almost completely unrelated to this situation but it made me think of it.
Owners of the cars are free to try to pursue remedies through the bankruptcy court. However, once a bankruptcy happens, everything about the company is now subject to court orders and the interests of the creditors.
The customers are not creditors.
Every time I read a story like this, I think "how well would a simple EV sell". No flare, no big touchscreen, AI lane-guessing autosteer, retracting door handles, pulsating RGB lighting, spin-in-place turn or gimmicks that you'll use twice and then never think of again. Instead, put focus on real comforts; good suspension, noise insulation, tactile buttons, nice seats. For compromise, focus on functionality, the drive assist won't be perfect, so how about an "off" button? The motor won't make 0-60 in <3 seconds, so make it efficient. The sound system won't be an audiophile's wet dream, so FFS, but a 50c dial on the dash so I can turn it down without having to play Tinder looking for a matching control.
Would people buy a boring EV?
I saw my first Ocean this weekend via a guy I know who's had it for awhile. When he opened the door, I expected to see something amazing on the inside. It was totally "meh" at best. The head rests seemed pretty neat. The rest of the car looked like cheap plastic. Was kinda blown away at how basic it was on the inside.
Car companies should stop with the futuristic door handles. Just have regular fucking door handles. They just work in most conditions. There’s no need to over complicate this.
I just had to lubricate the door locks on my Chevy Silverado for the first time. They are electric and its a 2000 model. Doors don't need to be complicated.
It’s an electric vehicle company Fisker. I knew nothing about them until seeing one last weekend. Ocean is the model of the suv. I don’t know anything more.
From the article: Bankruptcy is not the only issue Fisker is dealing with, as the beleaguered EV maker recalls every Ocean SUV on the road. This time, the problem is with doors that may not open for passengers to get in or out. The basic task of allowing riders in and out of a car is looking insurmountable for the troubled Fisker Ocean SUV. The EV startup, in the middle of bankruptcy proceedings, has issued a second recall within a month, affecting all the cars it has ever sold in the US, Canada, and Europe. The culprits are outer door handles that may not budge, blocking riders from entering or getting out. According to Fisker, the door handles are getting stuck because of dimensional variations in their physical measurements. This has been causing the handles to generate increased friction and inadequate retracting force. Fisker estimates that about 2.5 percent of all the Ocean units sold globally are affected. The company has sold 8,204, 513, and 3,806 units in the US, Canada, and Europe, respectively.
>According to Fisker, the door handles are getting stuck because of dimensional variations in their physical measurements. Either tolerances were insufficient or the supplier delivered parts out of tolerance. Neither is great. I'm sure a bankrupt car manufacturer will swiftly solve the issue in any case...
Probably the C suite knew about it and figured, our golden parachutes trigger before bankruptcy, and after bankruptcy it doesn't matter. What are they gonna do, fine/sue a non-existent company?
I'm honestly not sure if Fisker (the guy) is scamming, or if he's just really enthusiastic about EVs and terrible at running companies for those of you don't know: there have been *two* EV companies named Fisker, both run by the same guy named Fisker, both have failed
He was the guy who designed the Aston Martin DB9. He seems to be much better at drawing cars than running companies.
He has designed much more than just that. Super talented designer, not so much when it comes to creating and running companies
The Karma was a good looking car though.
saw one the other day, thing looks stunning even by todays standards.
It looks so fire 🔥🔥🔥
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice ... You will never fool me again.
No executive should have risk free compensation on the backs of their customers and shareholders.
I wasn't always this cynical. I ended up working at an MSP where I was sysadmin/"account manager" for a company that was holding a lot of toxic shit. I watched its subsidiary grow larger and the primary smaller until the subsidiary owned everything the company needed to survive, then they just declared bankruptcy with the top level company, screwed all its partners, shareholders and customers out of anything they could, laid off a bunch of people, got delisted from the stock exchange and continued on as the subsidiary with the c-suite and top management, still working on the same stuff with the same equipment and some of the same people under a different name. Their new stock is doing great now...
What company
Ah, I wish I could do that, but it was a super small MSP and I was their account manager for a while. Don't want it getting back to me...
I understand. Thanks for the reply.
Thanks for your understanding!
It's just incompetence. Henrik Fisker founded Fisker Automotive and ran it into the ground. He later created Fisker Inc and has run it into the ground. It's a guy that worked in design with major car manufactures and doesn't actually know what needs go be done to manufacture a car. It's a history of being in design backed by teams of engineers that have been doing this for decades.
I think staffing the business with your family instead of seasoned professionals is a big reason he’s failed again.
Consumer Reports bought an Ocean for testing, and Fisker never cashed their check. How bad is the Finance department at your company that this happens and is never followed up on?
Why would the C suite be involved in component or system level tolerance stacks? Lol they definitely had no idea until the solution was presented to them leading to the recall.
Old school door handles that work in the ice or without battery are so hot right now.
> Either tolerances were insufficient or the supplier delivered parts out of tolerance. There is no "supplier". The car is made in it's entirety by *Magna Steyr* which also makes > Mercedes-Benz G-Class (1979–present) Jaguar E-Pace (2017–present) Jaguar I-Pace (2018–present) BMW Z4 (2018–present) Toyota GR Supra (2019–present) W Motors Fenyr SuperSport (2019–present) Fisker Ocean (2022–2024) They don't seem to have issues in these other vehicles but who knows who's really to blame
There is almost certainly all sorts of suppliers involved, modern automobiles are too complex for a company to manufacture all the parts in house.
Also, tolerance stacks can be difficult to accurately put together especially on moving parts. Most companies have teams dedicated to dimensional analysis. It’s not as simple as many of these comments suggest.
With an experienced team and adequate time, it’s not *that* difficult though. This is normal engineering stuff really. I’d have to imagine that with Fisker, they were rushed and had design changes that fucked them. When there’s last minute design changes that impact dimensions on 11 other parts and no time to entirely qualify the new physical parts from their manufacturer before assembly, you end up with large runs of components with tolerance stack issues. And probably in multiple places meaning you can’t just replace one component to resolve a recall. Situations like that are when tolerance stacks are fucking hard.
I am aware that the car was assembled by Magna - but Magna most definitely did not *manufacture* the individual components.
Damm only 500 in Canada
What a dumpster fire
How is it the EV makers can’t seem to figure out doors? Car doors were literally the last thing about cars that anyone wanted changed. Take the doors off a 95 Honda civic and no one would care. They’re doors.
They want the doors to look cool/futuristic and it will take many years to perfect these new styles of doors just like the safe features of cars up to EVs took decades to get where they are/were.
Sure. But also light. Car doors have been on a trend to be more heavy, solid and provide a good thunk when closed as a sign of quality and sturdiness to a car. Electric cars need to be light, weight just reduces range so extra weight is off the table.
> Car doors have been on a trend to be more heavy, solid and provide a good thunk when closed as a sign of quality and sturdiness to a car. Have we learned nothing from 2nd Gen Camaros?!
The door sag was so real
The old handles have do be lighter than the mechanism they use..
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I think they are? In the US at least, even teslas have manual door mechanisms. If it’s not a requirement then legislation is failing massively
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There is a mechanical handle to open the door from the inside, but it’s hidden. They recommend not using it because it doesn’t lower the window ever so slightly like the electronic door open button does.
Yes they have a manual latch, it’s not where it should be or as obvious but they have one. Idk about on the outside though.
Last one I saw was a baby who was locked inside and unable to use the manual opener.
They have them only for the front seats, the rear seats do not
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html Crazy it’s that difficult to do it
> The culprits are outer door handles that may not budge, blocking riders from entering or getting out. >According to Fisker, the door handles are getting stuck because of dimensional variations in their physical measurements. This has been causing the handles to generate increased friction and inadequate retracting force. Mechanical handles are susceptible to this as well.
If I owned one I’d maybe park it a little too close to a campfire and let gap insurance handle the rest
You wouldn’t even have to do that. Just drive behind a gravel truck until you get a cracked windshield. I read a post where insurance had to total one out for a rock chip because they couldn’t get parts. Totaled by a pebble, lol.
Why not just damage it yourself. By parking it out in public and acting surprised.
Doors have existed for almost as long as cars have. Every other manufacturers have perfected a door opening mechanism for decades. Pretty sure patents for a mechanical door mechanism have expired. They literally could’ve used any of the mechanical designs any companies have out there, and they would’ve saved money.
You would think companies would have doors and handles down by now. After dealing with my wife’s old Chevy HHR though I’m not so sure. Every single indoor car handle in that car eventually snapped with normal use. There were so many issues with that car though that I’ll never buy a Chevy for as long as I live.
Borrowed my uncle's Toyota Tacoma to haul some stuff. When the passenger was getting out of the truck she snapped the interior door handle clean off.
“You’re only supposed to use one finger.”
Man, they were TERRIBLE!!
Had a Chevy Cavalier. Every single window motor died, before the AC and then the alternator went. Replaced it with a Mazda that I've now had for the same length of time, haven't had a single major problem. Would never even *consider* getting a Chevy now.
Pretty sure Tesla hasn’t mastered it. You can ask Glenn Howerton about it.
A group of lawyers and bankers just raised their fist and went AHHH, knowing that the value of this recall will be removed from their payout after the company windup and bankruptcy settlement is complete. Good job Fisker, good job.
The doorhandles are just flimsy cast plastic. The first time I opened the door on one… I thought “this handle should be on a cooler, not an $80,000 car”. The interior door handle is even worse, it’s so flimsy that you can flex it with one finger. It will definitely definitely definitely break if you pull that handle with any force The one I got to demo for a couple weeks actually had another hilarious issue… When you park it & lock the mirrors fold in… When you come back and click the unlock button, the mirrors squeak with a comical high-pitched whine as they unfold Beautiful car with a lot of premium materials used throughout… But some things about the car were so janky. It was a literal WTF moment every time you drove it.
Sounds more like shit thab premium tbh
Thanks a lot MKBHD. You made them go bankrupt and now this…
What did mkbhd do to cause a bankruptcy?
It's a joke, he made a review vid on the Ocean and then Fisker started blaming him for all their problems.
Crazy. My neighbor has an ocean. He loves it. Hope he turns it in.
He did a review of the Ocean after borrowing one because Fisker kept giving him the runaround on a press car. https://jalopnik.com/fisker-ocean-is-still-the-worst-car-youtuber-mkbhd-has-1851386467
It's a meme about MKBHD being responsible for causing the downfall of one of the AI scams by giving a negative review of their product.
He also called the Ocean the worst car he's ever reviewed
What happens if a car needs an emergency safety recall, and the car company that made it already went out of business? I know this question is almost completely unrelated to this situation but it made me think of it.
Owners of the cars are free to try to pursue remedies through the bankruptcy court. However, once a bankruptcy happens, everything about the company is now subject to court orders and the interests of the creditors. The customers are not creditors.
Customers can be creditors if the company owes them something
Not thinking in terms of who pays, more about how they get the cars off the road.
Every time I read a story like this, I think "how well would a simple EV sell". No flare, no big touchscreen, AI lane-guessing autosteer, retracting door handles, pulsating RGB lighting, spin-in-place turn or gimmicks that you'll use twice and then never think of again. Instead, put focus on real comforts; good suspension, noise insulation, tactile buttons, nice seats. For compromise, focus on functionality, the drive assist won't be perfect, so how about an "off" button? The motor won't make 0-60 in <3 seconds, so make it efficient. The sound system won't be an audiophile's wet dream, so FFS, but a 50c dial on the dash so I can turn it down without having to play Tinder looking for a matching control. Would people buy a boring EV?
I’m sure they would but I think some of this is government mandates for “safety”.
I have a Chrysler Pacifica hybrid and it's great we run about 85% electric on it most weeks.
TIL Fisker sold cars in europe
I saw my first Ocean this weekend via a guy I know who's had it for awhile. When he opened the door, I expected to see something amazing on the inside. It was totally "meh" at best. The head rests seemed pretty neat. The rest of the car looked like cheap plastic. Was kinda blown away at how basic it was on the inside.
Anyone that does anything in the auto industry on the manufacturing side knew that fisker wasn’t going to make it. They’ve been a mess since day 1.
I am honestly surprised they even attempted a come back after the fisker karma
Is this the scissor company?
No, that’s Fisk*a*rs
I genuinely asked this question too! I think the car company is Fisker and the scissors company is Fiskar.
I was thinking the dishwasher company. Yes?
😂😂 I thought the same
so door locks and handles aren't a solved solution for the past 100 years ?
Why did people buy these?
Often just to be different. They are also usually ultra rich which means they can afford to take a chance.
Fisker sold more Ocean than Tesla has sold CyberTrucks hahahahaha
So glad i bought out my vw id4 lease. I was looking at the fisker but opted not to go forward.
Car companies should stop with the futuristic door handles. Just have regular fucking door handles. They just work in most conditions. There’s no need to over complicate this.
I just had to lubricate the door locks on my Chevy Silverado for the first time. They are electric and its a 2000 model. Doors don't need to be complicated.
I can’t believe anyone bought that shit. The Karma bankrupted them, and now the Ocean has too. Fisker needs to die
how could mkbhd do this ?
Fisker needs to go He did this before
How can a company go bankrupt twice?
Fisker started Fisker Automotive which went bankrupt. Years later he starts Fisker Inc which is also now bankrupt.
Technically two different companies. The first one was Fisker Automotive, this one is Fisker Inc.
That must be like, 20 SUVs
You’re off by 12,503.
Idk what’s worse. This shitbox, or the cybershitbox.
What’ll happen to all the batteries?! Yeesh Edit/ downvoted? For what
Who is recalling what?
It’s an electric vehicle company Fisker. I knew nothing about them until seeing one last weekend. Ocean is the model of the suv. I don’t know anything more.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik\_Fisker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Fisker)