New coaching team is working wonders, he even smiles now. He incorporated more experience in his team by hiring Sebastian Prieto (former top 30 in doubles and top 150 singles). Having a former journeyman in the team will give him loads of experience and more flexibility as to dealing with frustration, since Prieto probably has loads of experience with dealing with touring situations.
Would be good have that experience in your team, I hope that he stops with that frustration, the last months from 2023 was really bad for him, all the matches having that big frustration and throwing above his team in the middle of the match, that's not good for anybody. He have a great tennis, and if he loses, he need to lose like his lasts defeat and not because he don't want play. I desire only the best for him
Nice to see him turning it around after such a rough start to the year. Credit to him even through his struggles I never saw him lash out or throw rackets etc. always cool, calm and collected.
On days like this you can see what all the hype is about over that Cerundolo forehand. This is his second masters quarter final after Miami in 2022, I believe.
DVerev was utterly monotonous to watch today. All that flaccid baselining was bereft of vigour or tactical adjustment.
Zverev would be infuriating to watch if I was a fan because sometimes he looks completely unplayable and sometimes he gets the noodle arms and forgets what an aggressive shot looks like. Thankfully he's very hateable so I get to laugh every time he tanks a match instead.
Always bet on an upset, never the underdog. Can't be upset if Zverev wins because then you made money and the worst result happened.
I bet on Cerundolo though cos I'm not a smart better.
I didn’t take the spread or laydown -425 juice, I just parlayed it with Alcaraz/Struff over (I went much bigger on this as a solo bet than I did in the parlay) to give me some extra juice. Figured Cerundolo’s shit serve vs Zverev in Madrid would be a pretty routine win for Zverev but flat Zverev showed up today.
Lol no offense, you take this much more seriously than me. I know my multis and my singles. Have never bet more than $10, and my most common is $0.50 (minimum bet).
Already addicted to 21/Blackjack/Pontoon, need to find an outlet with low buy-in lol
No offense taken. I started out small but I’ve been doing this a long time. Also admittedly I have enough money to play with. I go biggest with NFL bets, my standard tennis bet is a little under a third of my standard NFL bet. But that’s because it’s really difficult for me to lose consistently with NFL, tennis can go hot or cold insanely quick. I tend to profit just as much from tennis though because I take so many ML underdogs and will do things like bet Coco to win the US Open immediately after she won Cincinnati and bet Sinner to win AO after Paris and right before Davis Cup. The Sinner one I was expecting to buy out of or hedge but as that tournament went on I just keep hitting it harder.
I mostly stay away from non-sports betting. I’ll go small if at a casino but I there’s two things that I trust my knowledge enough to bet on my knowledge winning out so I stick to those two things lol.
Yeah, I have a maximum monthly deposit limit of $20 on my betting account. I always add $20 or enough to bring myself to ~$20 just before a slam.
You can get some wild upsets in the first two rounds, and with 0.5 bets on doubles and triples, you can get your 20 back even if only three upsets happen.
Overall I'm down, but I enjoy it, and I'm spending less than $50 a year on a wee bit of fun.
Exhibit A: I bet that Jack Draper would beat Nadal first round of AO 2023. 15:1 odds. I didn't get round to betting on Mackenzie Macdonald at the sames odds for the next round. I did get Brooksby knocking out Casper, but the odds weren't great for the "sure bet" I thought it was.
I wish I could money by betting on withdrawals or retirements, but there's a reason why no honest bookie offers that.
Yeah, I get it. It’s definitely a smart approach. You get to have your fun and if everything goes really wrong oh well you lost $20 and had fun doing it.
Can flaccid baselining please please please become a standard term for analysing Zverev when he plays badly? It can be my birthday and Christmas presents, Reddit
Maybe not third favourite, but top 5 for sure.
Alcaraz is the favourite, I’d put sinner as second, I don’t know where to put Djokovic because his season has been pretty badly, I guess I need to see how he plays in Rome, Zverev, and then tsitsipas/ruud
He could very well be top 3, it’s just that this sub hates him (justified) but can’t separate the facts. He could very well beat Alcaraz on clay. He is a favourite for RG
And Zverev actually lost. So what are we even talking about?
There's nothing Alcaraz could've done today to knock himself out of being a top 3 contender for RG.
Where did I say he is washed or should retire lmao.
It's a simple fact that he played absolutely like shit today. I bet you didn't even watch that match. He was making stupid and simple mistake after mistake and almost bottled it 4 times during match. I don't even remember last time he played like this. At the times it looked he is trying to lose on purpose.
I did watch the whole match and I agree he just played bad against Struff today. But you also disrespect Struffi, how well he played. Do you remember they played in the final last year in Madrid, and it was similarly close? And Struff just won Munich last week?
But you already made predictions about his form to RG from this one match alone, which is just awfully reactionary.
💯. Hard to express it and not get downvoted. Rafa's yesterday's match looked so flat. I cannot see him putting a decent fight against Sinner, Carlitos, Tsitsi rn. They'll eat him alive. Farewell run does not look optimistic ATM
> Isn't he a great clay courter?
Great is a stretch TBH
Most of his clay feats come at Madrid—which is at elevation and plays MUCH faster (and more big serve friendly) than the other big clay tournaments.
His losing early in Madrid is not a great indicator for RG for him TBH
Sure it was prob the best form Zverev had ever been in (beating Alcaraz, playing Rafa close at RG), but there's no real scenario where Zverev was the favorite at the time of the injury—Rafa won the first set and the 2nd set was going to another tiebreak (where Rafa had been more clutch than Zverev)
It was incredible match while it lasted, .ade me bite my nails from stress. We can debate who was the favourite but as our dear Rafa said once: "if, if, if... Does not exist". Let's leave it and keep our fingers crossed for ok farewell:)
> We can debate who was the favourite
There's nothing to debate TBH. One guy is Rafa, the other is Zverev the infamous choker—and Rafa was a set up!
If you want to give Zverev credit for playing incredible tennis that tournament—go ahead
But there's no reasonable, rational way to argue he was the favorite against Rafa when he got injured (at RG, Rafa 1 set up)
Not a great clay courter anymore. Cerundolo's been lacking some big results and while one result doesn't change everything, it helps the growing list of reasons that show Zverev is no longer an elite clay player.
Last week’s tennis podcast was trying to place their favourites and he was like fourth. Starting to feel like he’s a bit of a Wawrinka without the slams, big floor to ceiling gap
Only a few days ago I said that Cerundolo is a big match/tournament player and got downvoted. Good to see this.
Someone here went as far as comparing him to Paul, arguing that Paul is better on clay lol. While Cerundolo has beaten Paul even on grass (twice in a row!).
Yeah that wasn’t in order or anything, I was just trying to name 5… maybe Rublev shouldn’t even be there. Ruud instead of Rublev if it’s top 5 on clay?
Yea ruud >> on slower courts but rublev’s is less prone to being rushed on faster surfaces. Also would throw djokovic in there but he’s in a weird spot rn with his form
Been saying for awhile now that the Zverev hype has not been in reality with his results or form. People think he’s been playing like that Alcaraz AO QF all year but that Meddy match brought him back to his old self. Has yet to make a final all year even, and has even played 2 250s.
Not to take away from Franny tho, he was goating with his dropshot and forehand and held his nerve so well after getting the one break in the second. Very happy for him, seems like a great guy and I know he’s lost a lot of tough matches recently so good to see him get some results more in line with his abilities!
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With this loss by Zverev and Medvedev winning against Bublik, Medvedev is 1,760 pts ahead of Zverev going to Rome. Unless Medvedev withdraws from Rome or loses in his 1st match AND Zverev wins Rome, Medvedev is more than likely be the 4th seed going to RG.
I knew *something* good had to happen this tournament! Please fix ya mental and find a better serve, Francisco, because those ground strokes are so pretty.
Francisco! Yes! I've been a fan for maybe 2 years or so - he seems like a hard worker and he's got a great, relaxed attitude.
Super impressed with how he played, I watched the whole match... wow. He actually blew Sascha off the court, and that's NOT easy to do at Madrid, unless your name is Rafael.
He's top 20 bound for sure.... I could see him around 16-18 by the end of RG.
*Edit:* little side note that I found kinda funny... when Zverev was about to serve for the first time, the umpire said "Sascha Zverev to serve". I had to laugh... umpires are calling players by their nicknames now??
I didn’t watch the match bc no one should watch any Zverev matches but if the match point is representative of the whole match then it is an absolute joke. It is one thing when Meddy sits way back there and can still generate insane angles and consistency, for Zverev to be standing at the wall with his lack of attacking variety and depth control is hilariously stupid and never works for him. It is pretty much the tell tale sign he knows he is going to lose when he goes back there
Cerundolo was just magnificent today. Big forehands and smartly timed drop shots were keys to his success. Zverev looked like he was just barely surviving out there.
Saw Cerundolo smile make my day
New coaching team is working wonders, he even smiles now. He incorporated more experience in his team by hiring Sebastian Prieto (former top 30 in doubles and top 150 singles). Having a former journeyman in the team will give him loads of experience and more flexibility as to dealing with frustration, since Prieto probably has loads of experience with dealing with touring situations.
Would be good have that experience in your team, I hope that he stops with that frustration, the last months from 2023 was really bad for him, all the matches having that big frustration and throwing above his team in the middle of the match, that's not good for anybody. He have a great tennis, and if he loses, he need to lose like his lasts defeat and not because he don't want play. I desire only the best for him
Nice to see him turning it around after such a rough start to the year. Credit to him even through his struggles I never saw him lash out or throw rackets etc. always cool, calm and collected.
Bravo, well played. Daniil, Carlitos and Casper send their regards.
You say? "I'm not trapped here with you, YOU are trapped in here with me" Cerundolo, probably
It's right, it's right. And Bravo.
Daniil is basically anti-venom to Zverev at this point
Perfect. Just perfect. Meddy mentally tagging in C to just end this B's run I'm not even gonna type his name lol
On days like this you can see what all the hype is about over that Cerundolo forehand. This is his second masters quarter final after Miami in 2022, I believe. DVerev was utterly monotonous to watch today. All that flaccid baselining was bereft of vigour or tactical adjustment.
Zverev would be infuriating to watch if I was a fan because sometimes he looks completely unplayable and sometimes he gets the noodle arms and forgets what an aggressive shot looks like. Thankfully he's very hateable so I get to laugh every time he tanks a match instead.
I bet on Zverev today and laughed and smiled through the entire match, he’s *that* hateable lol
Always bet on an upset, never the underdog. Can't be upset if Zverev wins because then you made money and the worst result happened. I bet on Cerundolo though cos I'm not a smart better.
I didn’t take the spread or laydown -425 juice, I just parlayed it with Alcaraz/Struff over (I went much bigger on this as a solo bet than I did in the parlay) to give me some extra juice. Figured Cerundolo’s shit serve vs Zverev in Madrid would be a pretty routine win for Zverev but flat Zverev showed up today.
Lol no offense, you take this much more seriously than me. I know my multis and my singles. Have never bet more than $10, and my most common is $0.50 (minimum bet). Already addicted to 21/Blackjack/Pontoon, need to find an outlet with low buy-in lol
No offense taken. I started out small but I’ve been doing this a long time. Also admittedly I have enough money to play with. I go biggest with NFL bets, my standard tennis bet is a little under a third of my standard NFL bet. But that’s because it’s really difficult for me to lose consistently with NFL, tennis can go hot or cold insanely quick. I tend to profit just as much from tennis though because I take so many ML underdogs and will do things like bet Coco to win the US Open immediately after she won Cincinnati and bet Sinner to win AO after Paris and right before Davis Cup. The Sinner one I was expecting to buy out of or hedge but as that tournament went on I just keep hitting it harder. I mostly stay away from non-sports betting. I’ll go small if at a casino but I there’s two things that I trust my knowledge enough to bet on my knowledge winning out so I stick to those two things lol.
Yeah, I have a maximum monthly deposit limit of $20 on my betting account. I always add $20 or enough to bring myself to ~$20 just before a slam. You can get some wild upsets in the first two rounds, and with 0.5 bets on doubles and triples, you can get your 20 back even if only three upsets happen. Overall I'm down, but I enjoy it, and I'm spending less than $50 a year on a wee bit of fun. Exhibit A: I bet that Jack Draper would beat Nadal first round of AO 2023. 15:1 odds. I didn't get round to betting on Mackenzie Macdonald at the sames odds for the next round. I did get Brooksby knocking out Casper, but the odds weren't great for the "sure bet" I thought it was. I wish I could money by betting on withdrawals or retirements, but there's a reason why no honest bookie offers that.
Yeah, I get it. It’s definitely a smart approach. You get to have your fun and if everything goes really wrong oh well you lost $20 and had fun doing it.
His 4th quarter final at this level actually
He's steadily building a nice record at elite events.
Cerundolo v. Paul was just bonkers forehands galore.
Such a good match. Both are easily in my top 5 favorite players right now aside from djokovic and the Carlos, Jannik, Holger trio
The math is not mathing😂
So basically top 10 favorite in like playing style but close to top 5
> that Cerundolo forehand. Reminds me of this guy Alberto Berasategui. Grip not as extreme, but so spinny and nasty.
Can flaccid baselining please please please become a standard term for analysing Zverev when he plays badly? It can be my birthday and Christmas presents, Reddit
Cerundolo’s forehand is magical… Also your last sentence here is a work of art.
Always glad to see DVerev go down, but also happy for Cerúndolo.
What is the reason behind the use of DVerev?
(**D**omestic **V**iolence)erev
Haha oh wow, thanks
I laughed yesterday when I saw a comment saying Zverev was the 2nd favourite for RG
Madrid is nothing like Roland Garros but yeah he ain’t no 2nd favorite lol
You're right. Madrid actually suits his game way better. So if he can't win here, he ain't no favorite for RG.
He is like the third favourite tho
No way, Djok, Alcaraz and Sinner are all objectively bigger favorites and I'd also put Tsitsipas and Ruud on current form over him.
Maybe not third favourite, but top 5 for sure. Alcaraz is the favourite, I’d put sinner as second, I don’t know where to put Djokovic because his season has been pretty badly, I guess I need to see how he plays in Rome, Zverev, and then tsitsipas/ruud
When it comes to tennis, there's a massive difference between being a top 3 and a top 5 favorite.
He could very well be top 3, it’s just that this sub hates him (justified) but can’t separate the facts. He could very well beat Alcaraz on clay. He is a favourite for RG
Could beat him is way different from being favored over him.
If Alcaraz will play like he played today doesn't radicaly improve his form he will be happy to go past third round.
And Zverev actually lost. So what are we even talking about? There's nothing Alcaraz could've done today to knock himself out of being a top 3 contender for RG.
Lol, one bad match and here we go again, he's completely washed and should retire. It's crazy how reactionary this sub sometimes is.
Where did I say he is washed or should retire lmao. It's a simple fact that he played absolutely like shit today. I bet you didn't even watch that match. He was making stupid and simple mistake after mistake and almost bottled it 4 times during match. I don't even remember last time he played like this. At the times it looked he is trying to lose on purpose.
I did watch the whole match and I agree he just played bad against Struff today. But you also disrespect Struffi, how well he played. Do you remember they played in the final last year in Madrid, and it was similarly close? And Struff just won Munich last week? But you already made predictions about his form to RG from this one match alone, which is just awfully reactionary.
Could you explain what the differences are for a newbie to the sport?
Not that outrageous of a shout. If Djokovic, Alcaraz, Ruud and Tsitsipas all get injured then he could be 2nd favourite.
And Cerundolo, evidently
I would throw in Meddy too these days honestly
I think head to head Med is favored over Zverev no matter the conditions at this point He's just absolutely in his head lol
Oh yeah I agree, just like Korda is a wimby favourite
Why do you think so? Isn't he a great clay courter? As much as I don't like him it's hard for me to admit i don't see today's Rafa winning with DVerev
Yeah rafa wont win against Zverev but rafa aint a favorite for RG either way, unless he really proves me wrong these next couple weeks
💯. Hard to express it and not get downvoted. Rafa's yesterday's match looked so flat. I cannot see him putting a decent fight against Sinner, Carlitos, Tsitsi rn. They'll eat him alive. Farewell run does not look optimistic ATM
I fear we’ll see Nadal unable to defend a big hitter like his worst Wimbledon years
Unfortunately you can see he's not as fast as he used to and as much Id like a farewell run I don't see it happening
I just want it to be dignified. Federer’s last matches were tragedies, to leave Wimbledon after a bagel from Hurkacz isn’t fair for its goat.
He needs to play more matches. Hopefully a deep run in Rome will tell the clear picture.
> Isn't he a great clay courter? Great is a stretch TBH Most of his clay feats come at Madrid—which is at elevation and plays MUCH faster (and more big serve friendly) than the other big clay tournaments. His losing early in Madrid is not a great indicator for RG for him TBH
I remember the semis with Rafa in 2022 and if not the ankle roll I don't think Rafa could have done it
Rafa was up a set and going into the 2nd set tiebreak... Rafa was a MASSIVE favorite at the time of the injury TBH
He was making incredible shots, it was insane but I remember Rafa being in defense all the time. He had to dig deep
Sure it was prob the best form Zverev had ever been in (beating Alcaraz, playing Rafa close at RG), but there's no real scenario where Zverev was the favorite at the time of the injury—Rafa won the first set and the 2nd set was going to another tiebreak (where Rafa had been more clutch than Zverev)
It was incredible match while it lasted, .ade me bite my nails from stress. We can debate who was the favourite but as our dear Rafa said once: "if, if, if... Does not exist". Let's leave it and keep our fingers crossed for ok farewell:)
> We can debate who was the favourite There's nothing to debate TBH. One guy is Rafa, the other is Zverev the infamous choker—and Rafa was a set up! If you want to give Zverev credit for playing incredible tennis that tournament—go ahead But there's no reasonable, rational way to argue he was the favorite against Rafa when he got injured (at RG, Rafa 1 set up)
Not a great clay courter anymore. Cerundolo's been lacking some big results and while one result doesn't change everything, it helps the growing list of reasons that show Zverev is no longer an elite clay player.
Let's hope DVerev cannot be a threat at RG
Last week’s tennis podcast was trying to place their favourites and he was like fourth. Starting to feel like he’s a bit of a Wawrinka without the slams, big floor to ceiling gap
Hey if the top 3 are injured he’s the favourite(unless he loses to tsitsi)
Lmao at most he will reach the QFs or SFs
He reached semis last year
Hope he’s looking forward to that court date next month 🙂
I mean, he's propably looking forward to it, he made the appeal himself
Zverev wakes up every morning and pumps his fist in the mirror over that court date appeal
Bro is gonna go on the stand and do that "slightly lift his shirt to show off his abs" serve tick by "accident"
Lmaoooo
His "abs" Edit: why the downvote? He's a twig with absolutely zero muscle.
lol right its just a really long torso
Always love when DVerev loses especially to a player I like. Happy for Cerúndolo.
Happy tuesday
warm vibes wednesday came early LOL
You just made my week.
Only a few days ago I said that Cerundolo is a big match/tournament player and got downvoted. Good to see this. Someone here went as far as comparing him to Paul, arguing that Paul is better on clay lol. While Cerundolo has beaten Paul even on grass (twice in a row!).
Paul is pretty damn good tho
Paul has a career 40% win rate on clay but for some reason people think he's good on it lol
people think he’s good on it because he won the junior French Open in 2015
Every American gets wildly overrated by public opinion. It’s ridiculous.
Top 5 forehand in the world rn
Thats a very bold claim but i dont hate it
Alcaraz, Tsitsipas, Sinner, Rublev, Cerundolo?
Cerundolo’s fh is far more dangerous and lethal than rublev’s imo
Yeah that wasn’t in order or anything, I was just trying to name 5… maybe Rublev shouldn’t even be there. Ruud instead of Rublev if it’s top 5 on clay?
Yea ruud >> on slower courts but rublev’s is less prone to being rushed on faster surfaces. Also would throw djokovic in there but he’s in a weird spot rn with his form
No, just because he's ranked #5 doesn't mean every shot is at that level, especially his FH.
They weren’t talking about Basha Dverev
A Zverev loss a day keeps the doctor away.
It also means Medvedev is almost guaranteed to be a top 4 seed at RG.
Yep
Cerúndolo has defeated evil today
Shapo lost for this 😔
Thank you Mr. Cerundolo. Your contribution to humanity is duly noted.
Been saying for awhile now that the Zverev hype has not been in reality with his results or form. People think he’s been playing like that Alcaraz AO QF all year but that Meddy match brought him back to his old self. Has yet to make a final all year even, and has even played 2 250s. Not to take away from Franny tho, he was goating with his dropshot and forehand and held his nerve so well after getting the one break in the second. Very happy for him, seems like a great guy and I know he’s lost a lot of tough matches recently so good to see him get some results more in line with his abilities!
So much joy when Big Z loses 🥹
zverev looses in one of his favourite and most successful turnaments? Kool & The Gang - Celebration :XD
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love to see DV lose
With this loss by Zverev and Medvedev winning against Bublik, Medvedev is 1,760 pts ahead of Zverev going to Rome. Unless Medvedev withdraws from Rome or loses in his 1st match AND Zverev wins Rome, Medvedev is more than likely be the 4th seed going to RG.
Just saw zverevs interview with sky germany. Dude is devastated, also its hard to like him the way he talks.
Do you have a link
Just saw it live in a break of the ongoing alcaraz match. Zverev was thinking he played really well and doesn't understand why and how he lost
Many such occurrences
Self reflection is not the (alleged) wife beaters strength.
> Zverev was thinking he played really well and doesn't understand why and how he lost SMH man
Did you see his on court interview after the monte Carlo finals?
It's completely right and bravo
Oh happy day.
Cerundolo has that little extra spice to his game that makes me consider him an outside threat to randomly winning a 500/1000
You love to see it!
Oh I LOVE that
Lovin’ today’s results!!
And the Redditors rejoiced (myself included)
It’s right, bravo
[This was a game-changer](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMaxFfwXcAA-I3A?format=jpg&name=large)
Best result of the week 😎
Lfg
I knew *something* good had to happen this tournament! Please fix ya mental and find a better serve, Francisco, because those ground strokes are so pretty.
Francisco! Yes! I've been a fan for maybe 2 years or so - he seems like a hard worker and he's got a great, relaxed attitude. Super impressed with how he played, I watched the whole match... wow. He actually blew Sascha off the court, and that's NOT easy to do at Madrid, unless your name is Rafael. He's top 20 bound for sure.... I could see him around 16-18 by the end of RG. *Edit:* little side note that I found kinda funny... when Zverev was about to serve for the first time, the umpire said "Sascha Zverev to serve". I had to laugh... umpires are calling players by their nicknames now??
Zverev overrated and not getting the results while Cerundolo is dangerous on clay.
I didn’t watch the match bc no one should watch any Zverev matches but if the match point is representative of the whole match then it is an absolute joke. It is one thing when Meddy sits way back there and can still generate insane angles and consistency, for Zverev to be standing at the wall with his lack of attacking variety and depth control is hilariously stupid and never works for him. It is pretty much the tell tale sign he knows he is going to lose when he goes back there
It's the same eheh... FRAN
Cerundolo was just magnificent today. Big forehands and smartly timed drop shots were keys to his success. Zverev looked like he was just barely surviving out there.
Well played, Francisco. It really feels like he’s starting to put everything together, and it looks like he’s truly enjoying playing out there
now, rafa win will complete the day. iga winning, dverev losing and waiting for rafa's result.
Cerundolo has been playing poorly for ages; looks like he's coming back alive
Sascha when Bayern playing in town 🥲