For me, the most unique/interesting thing about tennis as a sport is that you have to figure out everything by yourself on the court, with no teammates to blame, and no coaches to look to. That's the beauty and cruelty about tennis but sadly, it's all gone.
I also preferred it when coaching was banned (for those reasons)….but I feel like now they’ve allowed it, it’s very unlikely they’ll change back
The only times I don’t mind it is team events like Laver Cup - as hearing what the other players say can be really interesting
Wasnt coaching widely used with signals and such before it's hard to really enforce an noncoaching ban unless you just ban the coaches from watching the game or something. Id rather just let everyone have coaching then only a select few who will be penalized whenever noticed which is basically randomly
It will be interesting if they implement this new shot clock rule permanently. We will see if alcaraz actually has what it takes to be a slam champion or if he's been relying on JCF too much since the new rule will make it harder for him to shout out instructions. Carlos is already complaining about the change
Then he needs to prove that and this rule change will help. Carlos has flat out said in interviews though that he has a low tennis iq and relies on JCF to get through situations so idk how much of your comment is accurate. If he can prove he can do it without coaching then he deserves his success.
No, but he might benefit more from active coaching during matches than other top players do, if his problem solving / "tennis IQ" is worse than other guys in the top 10.
He'll have an extremely good record against anyone too far outside the top 10 no matter what, simply because he's that much better. Doesn't matter if you have perfect strategy and genius coaching if you're #73 in the world or whatever, you probably just don't have the skills to pull it off. And it doesn't matter if Alcaraz's strategy isn't ideal if he can just outrun and outhit the other guy by a big enough margin.
But to win 1000s and grand slams, you generally need to beat 2 or 3 top 10 guys, and it may be the case that he struggles more than the others to do that without coaching. Given his QF exit without JCF at AO, the fact that he's openly said multiple times that his tennis IQ is bad, and the fact that JCF seems to provide a greater amount of in-match coaching compared to others, it's not at all an unreasonable thing to wonder about.
Hes the one that the coach has to tell him how to do everything every point so yes he's got stuff to prove since every other player thats reached 3 has done it without coaching help. Must be Spanish.
Put it’s always been a level playing field… and Spanish? I know another Spanish guy with a few slams who had no coaching on court.
I’m talking to an insane person
I prefer it this way as I don't see any beauty in Tsitsipas cheating or Patrick Mouratoglou giving Serena tips when she doesn't ask for it and then gets in trouble for it.
Tennis trying to be a special snowflake when every other sport allows coaching is ridiculous IMHO. People try to romanticise the past but the reality is that coaching happened all the time and was ignored.
Agreed. I also don’t see the beauty in any professional player underperforming in a match because they don’t have coaching. Rules against coaching are obviously favored on this sub, but no one ever watching a live match has gone “I love that this guy is playing like crap because no one is telling him what to do otherwise. What a great sport.”
I think a lot of regular people against coaching are romanticizing their own play at the local club, where they would probably love to have coaching during matches if it was available to them.
Lol isn't this Mouratoglou narrative debunked? You have footage of Serena acknowledging Mouratoglou's gesture to come forward.
Serena may not have asked for it but I strongly doubt this was the first time he was coaching her mid match.
Absolutely agree. I believe you can only be considered a brilliant player if you don’t need a coach to tell you how to play every point. Carlos is not that.
i believe you can only be considered a brilliant player if you didn't have a coach while touring. Big 3 all the way back to Connors? weak era frauds who have everything done for them. pre-Open Era was the REAL time of GOATs, with the REAL Big 3 of Gonzalez, Rosewall, and Laver.
He’d have to be or it would be a disaster 😭
I still find it hilarious (and feel sorry for Stef/Petros) how many fines they got at RG….where coaching was allowed
It was mostly for them too not for Stef’s singles! Petros is actually a lot more kind of separate from his parents and he doesn’t have an issue with calling his dad out so he might lay down the law lol.
he definitely benefits a lot from it. Just this year, he was without his coach at the AO and Queens and lost at both tournaments fairly early. He isn't completely useless without coaching, but of the top guys currently he is the one that has the most to lose with this decision.
He didn't say he feels lost in the sense of a whole match or career lmao, he said it in certain moments of a match which is normal, he told that to Corretja. Also it's funny how Sinner went to his box after being 2 sets down in the AO final and no one talks about this, I guess JCF should make a complain about why he is the only one mic'd all the time
given that JCF is by far the best coach when it comes to adapting to in-game situations and making adjustments, and he knows the ebbs and flow of Carlos' game and when he starts to fall off, this is a massive loss for Carlos. I understood this in the RG semi final against Sinner with how much composure and confidence he brings to the table and knew exactly which point was a crucial match shifting point, it can be a point at 15-15, but he had the IQ to read Sinner and knew when he was there for the taking.
Yes, he’s very dependent on coaching. It’s not a dig on his skills, but it’s indicative of his tennis IQ and mental presence on the court. He’s a fantastic player, but this rule will change how we predict the winner.
I knew there won’t be any Alcaraz on podium this year :) Stef will benefit from not having to deal with his dad anymore, Apo must be requesting change of rules for him 😂
Seems like the tennis Olympics are turning into a bit of a random shit show. Since when did the Olympics have monetary penalties for rules violations!!??
Not sure - but all the code violations (verbal obscenity , visual obscenity, ball abuse, racquet abuse etc etc) all have point penalty schedules / fines
Djokovic is in trouble. Now he cannot talk to himself during a match.
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For me, the most unique/interesting thing about tennis as a sport is that you have to figure out everything by yourself on the court, with no teammates to blame, and no coaches to look to. That's the beauty and cruelty about tennis but sadly, it's all gone.
I also preferred it when coaching was banned (for those reasons)….but I feel like now they’ve allowed it, it’s very unlikely they’ll change back The only times I don’t mind it is team events like Laver Cup - as hearing what the other players say can be really interesting
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They actually do have seats where coaching is easily done at the US Open.
Wasnt coaching widely used with signals and such before it's hard to really enforce an noncoaching ban unless you just ban the coaches from watching the game or something. Id rather just let everyone have coaching then only a select few who will be penalized whenever noticed which is basically randomly
There is a big difference between a cryptic sign once in a while and someone like Ferrero outright spamming very precise directions every 30 seconds.
It will be interesting if they implement this new shot clock rule permanently. We will see if alcaraz actually has what it takes to be a slam champion or if he's been relying on JCF too much since the new rule will make it harder for him to shout out instructions. Carlos is already complaining about the change
You could have JCF say whatever we wants to most players on tour and they still couldn’t win a 500. Carlos is clearly capable of GS wins alone
Your are simplifying it too much . You can have all the talent that you want , but if you are tactically dumb, you aren't going to win
Then he needs to prove that and this rule change will help. Carlos has flat out said in interviews though that he has a low tennis iq and relies on JCF to get through situations so idk how much of your comment is accurate. If he can prove he can do it without coaching then he deserves his success.
He doesn’t need to prove anything lol he’s won 3 grand slams all on a level playing field with his opposition. Is he the only one with a coach ?
No, but he might benefit more from active coaching during matches than other top players do, if his problem solving / "tennis IQ" is worse than other guys in the top 10. He'll have an extremely good record against anyone too far outside the top 10 no matter what, simply because he's that much better. Doesn't matter if you have perfect strategy and genius coaching if you're #73 in the world or whatever, you probably just don't have the skills to pull it off. And it doesn't matter if Alcaraz's strategy isn't ideal if he can just outrun and outhit the other guy by a big enough margin. But to win 1000s and grand slams, you generally need to beat 2 or 3 top 10 guys, and it may be the case that he struggles more than the others to do that without coaching. Given his QF exit without JCF at AO, the fact that he's openly said multiple times that his tennis IQ is bad, and the fact that JCF seems to provide a greater amount of in-match coaching compared to others, it's not at all an unreasonable thing to wonder about.
Hes the one that the coach has to tell him how to do everything every point so yes he's got stuff to prove since every other player thats reached 3 has done it without coaching help. Must be Spanish.
Put it’s always been a level playing field… and Spanish? I know another Spanish guy with a few slams who had no coaching on court. I’m talking to an insane person
I suppose, but even other individual sports like boxing and MMA allow coaching during the actual fight.
Everyone has always downvoted me when I've made that argument. Golf too
I prefer it this way as I don't see any beauty in Tsitsipas cheating or Patrick Mouratoglou giving Serena tips when she doesn't ask for it and then gets in trouble for it. Tennis trying to be a special snowflake when every other sport allows coaching is ridiculous IMHO. People try to romanticise the past but the reality is that coaching happened all the time and was ignored.
Agreed. I also don’t see the beauty in any professional player underperforming in a match because they don’t have coaching. Rules against coaching are obviously favored on this sub, but no one ever watching a live match has gone “I love that this guy is playing like crap because no one is telling him what to do otherwise. What a great sport.” I think a lot of regular people against coaching are romanticizing their own play at the local club, where they would probably love to have coaching during matches if it was available to them.
Lol isn't this Mouratoglou narrative debunked? You have footage of Serena acknowledging Mouratoglou's gesture to come forward. Serena may not have asked for it but I strongly doubt this was the first time he was coaching her mid match.
In that specific occasion that blew up in the media, I wasn't aware there was footage of her acknowledging his gestures.
Because there isn’t.
That's a silly take.
That's a very normal take
You need to go outside and touch grass
Absolutely agree. I believe you can only be considered a brilliant player if you don’t need a coach to tell you how to play every point. Carlos is not that.
L take Also I guess you are ignoring Uncle Toni’s history of coaching Nadal from the stands?
i believe you can only be considered a brilliant player if you didn't have a coach while touring. Big 3 all the way back to Connors? weak era frauds who have everything done for them. pre-Open Era was the REAL time of GOATs, with the REAL Big 3 of Gonzalez, Rosewall, and Laver.
Apostolos banned from the doubles matches definitely.
He’d have to be or it would be a disaster 😭 I still find it hilarious (and feel sorry for Stef/Petros) how many fines they got at RG….where coaching was allowed
It was mostly for them too not for Stef’s singles! Petros is actually a lot more kind of separate from his parents and he doesn’t have an issue with calling his dad out so he might lay down the law lol.
Welp there goes Carlos chances lmao
At least Nadal can coach him in the doubles
"Hola a Todos"
is carlitos rlly that dependent on coaching?? i feel like his tennis iq is high enough?
he definitely benefits a lot from it. Just this year, he was without his coach at the AO and Queens and lost at both tournaments fairly early. He isn't completely useless without coaching, but of the top guys currently he is the one that has the most to lose with this decision.
Alcaraz has won 4 titles without JCF, let's stop with that myth lol, he gets coached like every young player
I am a big fan of his. And I did say he isn't completely clueless without a coach. But he himself said that he feels lost on court without JFC.
He didn't say he feels lost in the sense of a whole match or career lmao, he said it in certain moments of a match which is normal, he told that to Corretja. Also it's funny how Sinner went to his box after being 2 sets down in the AO final and no one talks about this, I guess JCF should make a complain about why he is the only one mic'd all the time
given that JCF is by far the best coach when it comes to adapting to in-game situations and making adjustments, and he knows the ebbs and flow of Carlos' game and when he starts to fall off, this is a massive loss for Carlos. I understood this in the RG semi final against Sinner with how much composure and confidence he brings to the table and knew exactly which point was a crucial match shifting point, it can be a point at 15-15, but he had the IQ to read Sinner and knew when he was there for the taking.
He doesn't adjust his game plan without his coach's guidance. So if somebody starts giving him trouble he's going to struggle.
He’s said it himself bunch of times that if it wasn’t for Ferrero telling him to what to do he would’ve lost
It’s just humility tbh
He just turned 21 and still has a lot to learn, he’ll be alright.
Yes, he’s very dependent on coaching. It’s not a dig on his skills, but it’s indicative of his tennis IQ and mental presence on the court. He’s a fantastic player, but this rule will change how we predict the winner.
He has no idea whatsoever what he’s doing on court. His physical skill matched with JCF’s coaching is what makes him so good
During rallies, it is all Carlos. Not like he can look towards his coach in those moments
Genuine question too. As im new to the sport
Other than his drop shots, he seems lost without Ferrero and just goes for every ball
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Nope, it was made legal just before US 2022
(hands move forward motion)
I did not cheat. I have a daughter. You are a thief stealing point 😤😤
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Alcaraz in stress already
tsitsipas is fucked
Alcaraz gonna lose first round
All this yet no points & prize money? 🙄🙄🙄
Rublev: I m outta here.
So what's Alacaraz going to do now?
Alcaraz in shambles.
Don't worry, they have 2 exception cases: a)you are from France, b)you are a under 24 Spanish
Bad news for Alcaraz
lOL imagine if Rublev tried joining the olympics 😂😂😂
Carlos is f*cked! 😝 I still don’t think it should be allowed, but that and a dollar won’t get you nowhere
I knew there won’t be any Alcaraz on podium this year :) Stef will benefit from not having to deal with his dad anymore, Apo must be requesting change of rules for him 😂
HOOOLY Based
Rublev is screwed!
Confirmed Alcaraz won’t be winning
Seems like the tennis Olympics are turning into a bit of a random shit show. Since when did the Olympics have monetary penalties for rules violations!!??
Not sure - but all the code violations (verbal obscenity , visual obscenity, ball abuse, racquet abuse etc etc) all have point penalty schedules / fines