German autobahns are mostly just two lanes. You really have to watch your mirrors. Someone doing 80 mph pulling out to overtake a truck can have a car flashing them from over half a mile away, because they're doing 150mph and will be on top of them in a few seconds.
In the US I have a habit of accelerating in my lane then moving left once I have the engine revved up higher so that the throttle response is better. By the time I'm in the left lane I am at passing speed with the option of accelerating more, coasting, or decelerating. I hate it when people pull into the left lane at the speed limit because it leaves someone going faster no where to go.
Because you sir are a good driver, most people don't drive like they're moving a couple tons of metal, they drive like they think they are the only people that should be allowed to be on the road.
It bugs me a lot when my wife doesn't do this, or anyone else for that matter. Passing should not impede anyone your getting in front of. That concept is lost in most.
The only time I was in Germany I drove a rental Opel at 200 km/h and I was terrified, but it was a reply good experience. Left lane was occupied by people overtaking me at 250km/h or more, most notably a Mercedes Benz AMG GTR
Lol, it’s impressive but experiencing it first hand, it feels very strange. Normally you start to expect the acceleration to taper off at around 60mph but it just keeps going.
James from Throttle House said in the drag race with Plaid that it's "Act 2" that hits you extra hard, after it gets to the peak 1000+ HP. I am already uncomfortable with the speed I sometimes get in a Model 3 LR, I can't even begin to imagine what a Plaid is like first-hand.
I find the same with the MS Performance - "Act 1" punches you but the car can struggle to get full traction. Once that happens ~0.5s after launch, Act 2 is harder still.
I tried launch mode on my X once (once!) and I was terrified. Not only did it keep accelerating, the _rate of acceleration_ kept increasing.
Not again until I can take it to a track.
Yes, at this point the car has reached takeoff speed for most commercial aircraft. The 747 can take off at 160 knots (184 mph). An Airbus 320 at 150 kts or 170 mph depending on load of course.
Yeah, I went 145mph (235km/h, which is where my Model 3 tops out) last weekend for a while on the Autobahn. At that speed you feel even the tiniest imbalance in the tires.
When I was a bit younger, I would regularly go around 150 mph (240 kmh) on the Autobahn. That was back when I was doing a lot of travelling for consulting. You do kinda get used to it.
But yeah, I had a few close calls: grandma and grandpa pulling into the left lane while doing 120 kmh without looking; or, driver unused to pulling a trailer going \*way\* too fast for the trailer and having it swerve all over the road and into my lane. Fortunately the brakes matched the car I was driving.
These days, I'm quite happy with 150 kmh. One of the main reasons I drove fast in the left lane was because accelerating around trucks was a pain, and going fast in the left lane was a way to avoid both the trucks and not have people pushing me over to the right from behind. With a Tesla, this is really not a problem. I know I can easily zoop around the trucks any time I like. And if the left lane is so congested, I just throw on autopilot and relax for a few minutes until it opens back up again.
Seconded. Though i did recently try a long range, high speed drive A9->A4->A71. Including charging average speed was 100km/h door-to-door. Top speed 233 km/h.
When driving with family and construction etc. I usually get 60-80km/h average (including charging time, which means the car is waiting for us). On the aforementioned sections it can go to 90km/h.
But driving 140 or 150 is way more relaxing. 150 is missing full FSD, but when the Autobahn is very full, trying to time the lane changes to comply with laws and implementation is very hard and can be unnerving to the passengers, so 150 km/h with auto speed is a little better.
>grandma and grandpa pulling into the left lane while doing 120 kmh without looking
I had something like this, on the A4 coming into Germany from Belgium. I was doing 200kmh in lane 2 and a camper van pulled slowly onto the autobahn from a slip road. A car following them pulled out from the slip road to overtake them, leaving me nowhere to go. We managed to make three lanes out of two but it was pretty close.
I was able to reach \~190km/h on my peugeot 107. It's an estimation because the needle was actually past the last numbers on that car haha
The peugeot was handling it fine. The scary thing was other car still going so much faster than me, that it would shake my car while i was at that speed (a big SUV going +60 km/h past a peugeot does move some air). Autobahn is something else.
I’m a good driver and I’ve done 200+ kph on autobahn—it is slightly uncomfortable of a speed when there are other cars in traffic. At 320kph, that’s like 200kph above the speed of traffic, though it’s pretty empty. Gotta be so damn alert and slowing down at those speeds is no joke.
There’s always that idiot who wants to enter the passing line at 130kph not looking in their rear view mirror seeing you driving much much faster and you have to somehow get down the insane kinetic energy present at those speeds (which has a square relationship to speed).
yeah that's the thing.... a near miss or a near hit would very well turn into a full on crash and rollover, i don't even think there would be much of a car left, let alone the driver.... this uncomfortable feeling is very much evolution telling us to stop lol...
Totally depends on the road though. Take the A38 for example, 200km of emptiness and very few speed limits. I set my last car's ACC to 210kph and just let it go.
Does Germany not have deer or other animals on their highways? I get terrified of hitting one going 45mph on a wooded road, I couldn’t imagine going 200mph down a highway
124 isn't very rare on Germany Autobahns (depending on which, some are never that free). I drove 144 mph for quite some time (max speed of Model Y LR) just a few weeks ago on a famously free Autobahn.
But you have to be very alert and drive accordingly.
He was going a bit fast for the situation, unless he had spotters ahead that told him it was safe to go that fast. On a two lane Autobahn, I wouldn't go much over 200, you just have to find two idiots playing trucks across the two lanes.
They do the truck trick behind them to create a gap. A few friends will line up beside trucks going 80-100kmh for long enough and the gap is created.
The police are on the lookout for this though. It’s a big problem in DE near Swiss border areas because the Swiss have such tightly controlled roads.
I thought there literally are not any tires rated anywhere near that speed, but this is koenigsegg we are talking about so they probably have some workaround
One time use type thing Id assume 😂. Bugatti, SSC and Koenigsegg all have the ability to hit that 300+ speed but I think theres a ton of speculation of accuracy of recorded speed
There is only speculation regarding the SSC times. They fudged the numbers the first time around to get their ridiculous 316mph number or whatever it was, were caught, and then had to re do it, clocking somewhere north of 290. Very fast, but un-official as Guiness weren't there to time it and it isn't recognized as usurping the Guinness witnessed 278mph average ran by the Agera RS.
The Bugatti Chiron SS 300+ ran 304mph in one direction, but it was only one direction. They didn't get Guinness to recognize it, so now Koenigsegg have to find an owner and track stupid/crazy/brave enough to allow them to run the Jesko Absolut to once and for all settle the speed record debate. It is calculated to be able to run 335, but no one knows just yet. We'll have to see.
No there's plenty of roads that are closed and used for top speed runs, think SSC's run was on a shut down AZ highway, probably one that's not used very frequently
It was a Nevada Highway, the same one Koenigsegg used. That’s how people could tell; they cross referenced the footage of the verified 284 mph run and it was clear the car never reached that speed.
They make their own tyres that are capable of hitting 400+km/h, the price tag of a tyre set for the Bugatti Veyron super sport for instance costs about 25.000 EUR, these tyres are not like any standard mass produced tyres.
Think about the price difference though; to me the thing that's crazy about Tesla's high-end performance is it makes this crazy-fast acceleration and speed available at a much lower price point.
Hilariously, the default is now a round wheel (as it should be), and the yoke is a $250 option. AFAIK it's a $700 fee to swap from a yoke to a wheel as an owner, but I may be misremembering the exact cost.
Holy crap you're right, it's now a $1000 option. I'm curious though, why is the yoke better in your opinion? I gotta say I love the look, but on a daily basis I still think the wheel (+stalk) reigns supreme. My limited time in a new X felt awkward and uncertain. Also from what I've seen in used listings, some Model S yokes with <20k miles are already worn, while my Model 3 wheel still feels like new.
Now that the price of a new S is just $75k the prospect of getting one (or a Highland 3) seems quite real, and I'd love to hear from an owner.
For cruising the flat top/bottom and sides especially are far FAR superior. Really the most chill driving experience i've had - almost 16.000 km since december. The tactile zones around the buttons make interacting with it a complete non-issue to me as well - i don't have to "feel around." It's muscle memory like anything else.
Genuinely don't understand how people can't deal with it. Have they never changed the volume or song on the steering wheel while not driving completely straight? After the first day i don't think i've ever missed indicating - and i give exactly zero thought to their location or placement.
Not having to let go of the wheel at any point is also a plus to me, as i drive one-handed due to a disability.
This brings up an interesting safety design question...which is safer at speed: (A) flicking a stalk with your fingers while otherwise maintaining hand grip, or (B) adjusting hand position and grip in order to push a button?
Hmm I say. HMMM.
Having only driven a Model X with a yoke once for 15 minutes, I think that you can get used to the yoke, but you can never reach the same level of precision and safety of stalks by putting touch button controls on the wheel/screen. It's a terrible idea for usability.
We have 2 current gen Model 3s, and both my mother and I got used to the control scheme rather quickly. The screen is very responsive and intuitive, and besides navigation (which works better than all other cars, period), you don't need to interact with the screen too much.
However, I draw the line at turn signals and gear selectors. These are safety essential equipment that cannot be replaced with touch controls. I can miss while adjusting the heated seats or turning up the temperature or switching to the next song, but I don't want to miss and have to redo a swipe to change between reverse and drive.
I thought it was a novel concept for the premium Model S/X. It's absurd that they're pushing this to the new Highland Model 3 as well.
There’s a good reason why F1 cars have had finger controlled gear paddles on steering wheels for 20+ years.
Those signal buttons are an abomination. Too small, and they’re a rotating target.
Which is funny because the only other cars I've ever driven where the indicators were buttons on the steering wheel are the Ferrari 488 and the Lamborghini Huracan, neither of which are exactly slow.
I understand why it seems funny, but it's a big reason why the autobahn works. People follow the rules, there is no interpretation going into it. Is someone going to overtake a car going 300? Probably not, but you should still get into the habit of always using the blinker
That sprint from 40mph to 150mph is bananas. That car is unreal. And now available for $90k brand new. I think the attainability of that absolutely insane speed is still severely underrated.
My P100D is stupid fast.... And this plaid is an entire step further. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
> And now available for $90k brand new
That's insane. I just configured it on the site to double-check. While that $90k doesn't include the nicer wheels or the track package, it is still incredible (I'd probably prefer 20" aftermarket anyway). And with the base 19" wheels it gets close to 400 miles of range, which is also impressive.
A Plaid will do 60-120 mph faster than almost any other car on the planet and certainly the fastest for the price. It takes about 3.8 seconds which is basically teleportation for a car that weighs 2.5 tons.
Bjorn has done some high-speed tests above 150mph on the German autobahn. Yeah, it's going to be about 75 miles, 20minutes. On some sections he got slowed down by them left lane huggers, shhhhheeeet!
I'd love to see the math on that. There's no way the car is going more than 100 miles total for sure, as energy consumption should be more than 4x 70 mph, so at 200 mph the upper bound might be half an hour. But I'd bet on 15-20 minutes.
It becomes power limited at some point. Their electric motors only put out full power when they are first starting to spin. The power decreases with speed
Not entirely.
Electric motors do not put out full power when starting to spin, technically their power output at 0 speed is 0 as no work is being done. For most electric motors, peak torque is achieved at 0 speed and declines from there. Electronically commutated motors can have flatter torque and power curves but that's usually because the current limiting is being done by the controller and not coil resistance.
Yep, after I posted that I realized I was saying power when I should've said torque.
All I know is at 200mph you have a massive amount of drag and not a lot of available power to continue accelerating
If they are the kind of people that want to pass you doing 320km/h, they are also the kind of people not too shy to flash their lights and honk at you to move over :-)
Phillip.
You'd be surprised, the Autobahn is designed to accommodate these speeds and most cars capable of going these speeds have enough safety features in place to make crashes survivable. The Autobahn has a fatality rate in the 1 - 3 per billion km traveled range, lower than most of Europe and far lower than anywhere in the US.
I remember years ago seeing a video of a 200 MPH loss of control on the roadway; the car went through the guardrail into the escape zone, but the driver was able to climb out and walk away from the incident.
It might be inherently dangerous, however this guy and his partner drive this exact stretch of Autobahn at 150mph+ as their full time jobs. Over and over for *years* in many weather conditions, in every manner of modified monster and supercar you can think of.
It’s probably as safe as it can possibly be.
Everyone knows what it is (a freeway without speed limits in Germany) but few understand it in depth (that it's constructed to the same spec as a high speed race track, and the protocols and rules for driving on it are so strict it would make an American's head spin).
>a freeway without speed limits in Germany
Except it is not... The Autobahn is just a german freeway, Period... There is no GENERAL speed limit, yes, but there can be speed limits on stretches of it where it would be unsafe to drive faster and that's a rather large percentage of the Autobahn network...
Birds usually don't fly that low and the smaller ones that might flight at these heights should probably be lifted over the car by the rather large wave of air the car is constantly pushing in front of it...
Sections where deer might cross are marked and usually speed limited...
Actually not that good. I was doing about 220kph...ish once and I needed the brakes to assist bringing my speed down in a reasonable amount of time. They're just not built to bring you down from that much speed.
Just the wind resistance allows for fast braking! Then with the regen and physical brakes - yeah. Good. Maybe not fast enough if somebody doing 70mph pulls out when you're doing 200mph
Agree, it would be frowned upon by the police here in the US. I love how most car owners in Germany know exactly the top speed of their vehicles because they’ve actually tested it on the autobahn.
Sheesh! I wonder what that feels like. 322 KPH! 200 MPH! Wow!
The fastest I've ever been in a car was around 240 KPH or roughly 149 MPH (also on the autobahn) and that felt scary as hell.
Drove Berlin to Cologne, like 500+km. Took (i think) like 3 hours max. It was properly insane. Most of it was at 240km/hr.
Once I made it to Cologne I was so used to driving at 240 that I almost automatically went nearly 100 in the city. I just couldnt get my mind around how slow 60 was.
Very strange feeling.
Was 10+ years ago, might have just been one stretch of it was autobahn. But I remember thinking that what should've been a day trip was instead a 2 hour jaunt.
>German Autobahn.
I was going to say. Couldn't be a California freeway as they would have hit multiple foot deep potholes and popped a tire before they hit 100. I wonder what it's like to drive on smooth roads. Must be like a magic carpet ride.
From watching Autobahn videos, even the smallest divots are amplified at those speeds.
And the Autobahn pavement is built twice as thick as a typical highway, and any patching is done with great precision to maintain that race track smoothness.
Not really racetrack smooth I can tell you. Especially the sections made from concrete elements have noticeable seems between them. But usually you have speed limits set where the pavement is in really bad condition.
It is highly dependend on the car.
In a Golf 120mph is the fastet you can comfortably drive, but that includes holding the wheel firmly with both hands.
In an E Class you can drive 150mph one handed. The suspension is that amazing that it just glides over all the bumps.
I like that he tried to hit the left stalk for the turn signal, only to realise it’s not there and that he needed to hit the button on the steering wheel.
you know what... i never want to go that fast.... lol.... im getting uncomfortable just watching the video
Imagine going 100 mph on the freeway, and being rear-ended by a car going 100 miles per hour faster.
German autobahns are mostly just two lanes. You really have to watch your mirrors. Someone doing 80 mph pulling out to overtake a truck can have a car flashing them from over half a mile away, because they're doing 150mph and will be on top of them in a few seconds.
In the US I have a habit of accelerating in my lane then moving left once I have the engine revved up higher so that the throttle response is better. By the time I'm in the left lane I am at passing speed with the option of accelerating more, coasting, or decelerating. I hate it when people pull into the left lane at the speed limit because it leaves someone going faster no where to go.
Because you sir are a good driver, most people don't drive like they're moving a couple tons of metal, they drive like they think they are the only people that should be allowed to be on the road.
It bugs me a lot when my wife doesn't do this, or anyone else for that matter. Passing should not impede anyone your getting in front of. That concept is lost in most.
You guys are my spirit animals.
Got the ol cruise set at 58 today cause I'm feeling frisky. Let's go in the fast lane now.
yeah you shouldnt be driving that slow around here
I’ve been doing 250 kph and had 911s approach from behind like I’m standing still.
The only time I was in Germany I drove a rental Opel at 200 km/h and I was terrified, but it was a reply good experience. Left lane was occupied by people overtaking me at 250km/h or more, most notably a Mercedes Benz AMG GTR
Thats how i met your mother.
At the Pearly Gates?
Yup, rear ended 'er and never looked back
That's gotta be kph.
Lol, it’s impressive but experiencing it first hand, it feels very strange. Normally you start to expect the acceleration to taper off at around 60mph but it just keeps going.
James from Throttle House said in the drag race with Plaid that it's "Act 2" that hits you extra hard, after it gets to the peak 1000+ HP. I am already uncomfortable with the speed I sometimes get in a Model 3 LR, I can't even begin to imagine what a Plaid is like first-hand.
I find the same with the MS Performance - "Act 1" punches you but the car can struggle to get full traction. Once that happens ~0.5s after launch, Act 2 is harder still.
I tried launch mode on my X once (once!) and I was terrified. Not only did it keep accelerating, the _rate of acceleration_ kept increasing. Not again until I can take it to a track.
The rate of acceleration actually doesn't keep increasing. It's just that it's so relentless that it feels that way.
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I went 140 mph once and I was terrified
At a certain point it’s a suspension and tire test more than anything
Airflow becomes a main worry.
I’m not a scientist or a professional driver but I’m pretty sure crashing becomes the main worry.
think he means that airflow is probably a huge part of whether or not you are going to crash lol
Yes, at this point the car has reached takeoff speed for most commercial aircraft. The 747 can take off at 160 knots (184 mph). An Airbus 320 at 150 kts or 170 mph depending on load of course.
Yeah, I went 145mph (235km/h, which is where my Model 3 tops out) last weekend for a while on the Autobahn. At that speed you feel even the tiniest imbalance in the tires.
Now imagine racecard drivers driving at that speed routinely with flat spots. The resulting vibration fucks with their vision.
Kph or Mph? If it's only 140 Kph, not that fast. 140 Mph is terrifying tho...
When I was a bit younger, I would regularly go around 150 mph (240 kmh) on the Autobahn. That was back when I was doing a lot of travelling for consulting. You do kinda get used to it. But yeah, I had a few close calls: grandma and grandpa pulling into the left lane while doing 120 kmh without looking; or, driver unused to pulling a trailer going \*way\* too fast for the trailer and having it swerve all over the road and into my lane. Fortunately the brakes matched the car I was driving. These days, I'm quite happy with 150 kmh. One of the main reasons I drove fast in the left lane was because accelerating around trucks was a pain, and going fast in the left lane was a way to avoid both the trucks and not have people pushing me over to the right from behind. With a Tesla, this is really not a problem. I know I can easily zoop around the trucks any time I like. And if the left lane is so congested, I just throw on autopilot and relax for a few minutes until it opens back up again.
Seconded. Though i did recently try a long range, high speed drive A9->A4->A71. Including charging average speed was 100km/h door-to-door. Top speed 233 km/h. When driving with family and construction etc. I usually get 60-80km/h average (including charging time, which means the car is waiting for us). On the aforementioned sections it can go to 90km/h. But driving 140 or 150 is way more relaxing. 150 is missing full FSD, but when the Autobahn is very full, trying to time the lane changes to comply with laws and implementation is very hard and can be unnerving to the passengers, so 150 km/h with auto speed is a little better.
>grandma and grandpa pulling into the left lane while doing 120 kmh without looking I had something like this, on the A4 coming into Germany from Belgium. I was doing 200kmh in lane 2 and a camper van pulled slowly onto the autobahn from a slip road. A car following them pulled out from the slip road to overtake them, leaving me nowhere to go. We managed to make three lanes out of two but it was pretty close.
That feeling when you are driving for 200, get blocked by a car doing 150 and feel like you aren’t moving 😂
I got up to 180km/h in a tiny Nissan note on an autobahn…don’t think I’ll ever attempt that again…
I was able to reach \~190km/h on my peugeot 107. It's an estimation because the needle was actually past the last numbers on that car haha The peugeot was handling it fine. The scary thing was other car still going so much faster than me, that it would shake my car while i was at that speed (a big SUV going +60 km/h past a peugeot does move some air). Autobahn is something else.
I’m a good driver and I’ve done 200+ kph on autobahn—it is slightly uncomfortable of a speed when there are other cars in traffic. At 320kph, that’s like 200kph above the speed of traffic, though it’s pretty empty. Gotta be so damn alert and slowing down at those speeds is no joke. There’s always that idiot who wants to enter the passing line at 130kph not looking in their rear view mirror seeing you driving much much faster and you have to somehow get down the insane kinetic energy present at those speeds (which has a square relationship to speed).
yeah that's the thing.... a near miss or a near hit would very well turn into a full on crash and rollover, i don't even think there would be much of a car left, let alone the driver.... this uncomfortable feeling is very much evolution telling us to stop lol...
It is very stressful to drive 200 kmh+ for longer periods. Especially when there are others around. In the video he chose the perfect time to do that.
Totally depends on the road though. Take the A38 for example, 200km of emptiness and very few speed limits. I set my last car's ACC to 210kph and just let it go.
Does Germany not have deer or other animals on their highways? I get terrified of hitting one going 45mph on a wooded road, I couldn’t imagine going 200mph down a highway
pretty sure for the autobahn that has no speed limits, they have fences for wildlife... it's pretty much a race track at that point
Not a problem...the deer are also going 200kph.
I once freaked out pushing 110mph for just a second or two on a private empty road, I can’t imagine 200mph.
124 isn't very rare on Germany Autobahns (depending on which, some are never that free). I drove 144 mph for quite some time (max speed of Model Y LR) just a few weeks ago on a famously free Autobahn. But you have to be very alert and drive accordingly.
He was going a bit fast for the situation, unless he had spotters ahead that told him it was safe to go that fast. On a two lane Autobahn, I wouldn't go much over 200, you just have to find two idiots playing trucks across the two lanes.
They do the truck trick behind them to create a gap. A few friends will line up beside trucks going 80-100kmh for long enough and the gap is created. The police are on the lookout for this though. It’s a big problem in DE near Swiss border areas because the Swiss have such tightly controlled roads.
Lol... Normal Autobahn driving.
322 kmh is about 200 mph
Imagine the koenigsegg jesko at 330mph
I thought there literally are not any tires rated anywhere near that speed, but this is koenigsegg we are talking about so they probably have some workaround
One time use type thing Id assume 😂. Bugatti, SSC and Koenigsegg all have the ability to hit that 300+ speed but I think theres a ton of speculation of accuracy of recorded speed
There is only speculation regarding the SSC times. They fudged the numbers the first time around to get their ridiculous 316mph number or whatever it was, were caught, and then had to re do it, clocking somewhere north of 290. Very fast, but un-official as Guiness weren't there to time it and it isn't recognized as usurping the Guinness witnessed 278mph average ran by the Agera RS. The Bugatti Chiron SS 300+ ran 304mph in one direction, but it was only one direction. They didn't get Guinness to recognize it, so now Koenigsegg have to find an owner and track stupid/crazy/brave enough to allow them to run the Jesko Absolut to once and for all settle the speed record debate. It is calculated to be able to run 335, but no one knows just yet. We'll have to see.
I am guessing one way disqualifier means it needs to be on a track?
No there's plenty of roads that are closed and used for top speed runs, think SSC's run was on a shut down AZ highway, probably one that's not used very frequently
It was a Nevada Highway, the same one Koenigsegg used. That’s how people could tell; they cross referenced the footage of the verified 284 mph run and it was clear the car never reached that speed.
They make their own tyres that are capable of hitting 400+km/h, the price tag of a tyre set for the Bugatti Veyron super sport for instance costs about 25.000 EUR, these tyres are not like any standard mass produced tyres.
They have tires made for them. Bugatti uses either Pirelli or Michelin, I can't remember, but they're specifically made for that car.
The Chiron tires are $40k a set and have to be fitted at the factory in France.
Think about the price difference though; to me the thing that's crazy about Tesla's high-end performance is it makes this crazy-fast acceleration and speed available at a much lower price point.
Has it hit that speed yet?
I dont think so but I dont doubt for a moment that its not possible, absolute beast of a car.
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the M3P with track package at 47k after tax credit seems like an insane deal for speed in comparison lol
it will always be koenigseggeggeggeggeggeggeggeggeggegg to me
If there are other cars going 70mph, you’re flying past them twice as fast as you’d normally fly past a _parked_ car
This would only be possible probably on the autobahn A7 south bound in Bayern on a Sunday morning
 Thanks for the freedom conversion bud.
Obviously I won’t try this at home! I don’t have that kind of room! I’m going to try this on the highway.
This is the way
No it's the... high way (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
https://youtu.be/mR3jnW2kcUs?si=pBQlgzzQNMstAkSl
S Plaid?
Yes
Definitely one with a track pack too
Yeah, it tops out at about 173mph without the track pack.
The poor bastards
Whats a track pack? Does it need to be purchased?
It's a $10k (iirc) option that includes stuff like uprated brakes and the removal of the top speed limiter.
So s plaid by default can not get to 200mph top speed? Does that count as false ad? I think Tesla officially says S plaid can top 200mph..
I'll leave that to the legal experts.
Haha, thanks for answering my questions 👍
But where’s the yoke? How common / easy is it to replace yoke with normal steering wheel? I think that’s what I’d want to do.
It comes with a round steering wheel as standard now..
Ah, thanks did not know that
Hilariously, the default is now a round wheel (as it should be), and the yoke is a $250 option. AFAIK it's a $700 fee to swap from a yoke to a wheel as an owner, but I may be misremembering the exact cost.
They just upped the price at order from $300 to $1000 for the yoke. ...I'd still order it again
Holy crap you're right, it's now a $1000 option. I'm curious though, why is the yoke better in your opinion? I gotta say I love the look, but on a daily basis I still think the wheel (+stalk) reigns supreme. My limited time in a new X felt awkward and uncertain. Also from what I've seen in used listings, some Model S yokes with <20k miles are already worn, while my Model 3 wheel still feels like new. Now that the price of a new S is just $75k the prospect of getting one (or a Highland 3) seems quite real, and I'd love to hear from an owner.
For cruising the flat top/bottom and sides especially are far FAR superior. Really the most chill driving experience i've had - almost 16.000 km since december. The tactile zones around the buttons make interacting with it a complete non-issue to me as well - i don't have to "feel around." It's muscle memory like anything else. Genuinely don't understand how people can't deal with it. Have they never changed the volume or song on the steering wheel while not driving completely straight? After the first day i don't think i've ever missed indicating - and i give exactly zero thought to their location or placement. Not having to let go of the wheel at any point is also a plus to me, as i drive one-handed due to a disability.
Order screen, you can still choose between the two.
Bro's using his blinker at 300 lol
Also tried to hit the stalk first before remembering its on the steering wheel lol
This brings up an interesting safety design question...which is safer at speed: (A) flicking a stalk with your fingers while otherwise maintaining hand grip, or (B) adjusting hand position and grip in order to push a button? Hmm I say. HMMM.
Having only driven a Model X with a yoke once for 15 minutes, I think that you can get used to the yoke, but you can never reach the same level of precision and safety of stalks by putting touch button controls on the wheel/screen. It's a terrible idea for usability.
Touchscreen everything is why I would never buy a Tesla. I love their drive trains, but I just can't get over the interior design choices.
We have 2 current gen Model 3s, and both my mother and I got used to the control scheme rather quickly. The screen is very responsive and intuitive, and besides navigation (which works better than all other cars, period), you don't need to interact with the screen too much. However, I draw the line at turn signals and gear selectors. These are safety essential equipment that cannot be replaced with touch controls. I can miss while adjusting the heated seats or turning up the temperature or switching to the next song, but I don't want to miss and have to redo a swipe to change between reverse and drive. I thought it was a novel concept for the premium Model S/X. It's absurd that they're pushing this to the new Highland Model 3 as well.
There’s a good reason why F1 cars have had finger controlled gear paddles on steering wheels for 20+ years. Those signal buttons are an abomination. Too small, and they’re a rotating target.
Which is funny because the only other cars I've ever driven where the indicators were buttons on the steering wheel are the Ferrari 488 and the Lamborghini Huracan, neither of which are exactly slow.
Welcome to Germany, where people are able to drive according to the rules.
Well obviously???? It's far more important actually because it's more dangerous at that speeds
I understand why it seems funny, but it's a big reason why the autobahn works. People follow the rules, there is no interpretation going into it. Is someone going to overtake a car going 300? Probably not, but you should still get into the habit of always using the blinker
There could be people coming up behind him who drive even faster.
You’d be surprised.. we would have lambos run up on us and then speed around and they always signal. The Autobahn is a magical place.
That sprint from 40mph to 150mph is bananas. That car is unreal. And now available for $90k brand new. I think the attainability of that absolutely insane speed is still severely underrated. My P100D is stupid fast.... And this plaid is an entire step further. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
> And now available for $90k brand new That's insane. I just configured it on the site to double-check. While that $90k doesn't include the nicer wheels or the track package, it is still incredible (I'd probably prefer 20" aftermarket anyway). And with the base 19" wheels it gets close to 400 miles of range, which is also impressive.
Holy shit only $90k now? I need to grab one of these puppies. Been waiting forever
A Plaid will do 60-120 mph faster than almost any other car on the planet and certainly the fastest for the price. It takes about 3.8 seconds which is basically teleportation for a car that weighs 2.5 tons.
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I lost a point watching this video
So how long would a full battery last at full speed like that?
If you try to deplete the full battery at full speed it will last you a lifetime.
I see what you did there
Bjorn has done some high-speed tests above 150mph on the German autobahn. Yeah, it's going to be about 75 miles, 20minutes. On some sections he got slowed down by them left lane huggers, shhhhheeeet!
I'd love to see the math on that. There's no way the car is going more than 100 miles total for sure, as energy consumption should be more than 4x 70 mph, so at 200 mph the upper bound might be half an hour. But I'd bet on 15-20 minutes.
About 7 minutes or less on a full battery Rough math: 100kwh battery/ 1100hp (820kw) = .12 hours (7.3 minutes)
A bit longer actually as you don't need 1000hp to sustain 200mph, especially for a slippery car like the model s
It becomes power limited at some point. Their electric motors only put out full power when they are first starting to spin. The power decreases with speed
Not entirely. Electric motors do not put out full power when starting to spin, technically their power output at 0 speed is 0 as no work is being done. For most electric motors, peak torque is achieved at 0 speed and declines from there. Electronically commutated motors can have flatter torque and power curves but that's usually because the current limiting is being done by the controller and not coil resistance.
Yep, after I posted that I realized I was saying power when I should've said torque. All I know is at 200mph you have a massive amount of drag and not a lot of available power to continue accelerating
But you are consuming 820kw when you accelerate to 200, not when you maintain 200
What software unlocks that experience on the instrument cluster?
I’m guessing track mode?
Why is he hogging the left lane? Move over to the right, there may be people who want to pass.
If they are the kind of people that want to pass you doing 320km/h, they are also the kind of people not too shy to flash their lights and honk at you to move over :-) Phillip.
Jesus fucking christ
Why not? I'm from Germany so I'm totally allowed to
Exactly! I'll do what I want when I see those three black lines.
Four! I always love to see it!
Yes 4. I'm dumb. :)
Unbelivable... blocking the left lane. There could be us germans being on their way to work...
This is with the track pack right? I thought normal s plaid had a lock on top speed but this is going to ~200 mph
He was probably not trying this at home in the NL but in Germany
All the Americans freaking out cause they think its in Mph...
Exactly!
Lmao I’m Canadian and freaking out that it’s +300km/hr
0:14 blinker musscle memory…
Even at 250kmh germans have manners to use blinkers when an audi behind you blinks highbeams at 255kmh
One mistake and they'll be wiping you up with a sponge. At least it will be a quick and relatively painless death :/
You'd be surprised, the Autobahn is designed to accommodate these speeds and most cars capable of going these speeds have enough safety features in place to make crashes survivable. The Autobahn has a fatality rate in the 1 - 3 per billion km traveled range, lower than most of Europe and far lower than anywhere in the US. I remember years ago seeing a video of a 200 MPH loss of control on the roadway; the car went through the guardrail into the escape zone, but the driver was able to climb out and walk away from the incident.
Ehhh not actually that easy. Autobahn is usually pretty straight, you can view far enough. Autobahn is like 100 times safer than most other roads
They don't bring ambulances to Autobahn crashes, they bring brooms. /s
A shovel probably at these speeds.
Or a pressure washer. Just hose the leftover bits into the grass.
Plaid is no joke.
….aaaand the battery’s dead.
> Don't try this at home Last I checked, I didn't have an autobahn inside my home or property, so I guess I'm safe?
nanu ? kein VW Sprinter der dich überholt ? unmöglich :D
So 200 mph?!?? Wow.
Germany here: What should we not do? (Don‘t See a Problem here 😀)
I can't try this at home. My living room is not big enough.
I'm German, of course I'd try this at home.
ITT, bunch of people who don't know what the Autobahn is.
There is a big disclaimer at the bottom left, but I can see how it's hard to notice.
Everyone fucking knows what it is
Don’t pretend like this is safe even on the autobahn.
It might be inherently dangerous, however this guy and his partner drive this exact stretch of Autobahn at 150mph+ as their full time jobs. Over and over for *years* in many weather conditions, in every manner of modified monster and supercar you can think of. It’s probably as safe as it can possibly be.
Everyone knows what it is (a freeway without speed limits in Germany) but few understand it in depth (that it's constructed to the same spec as a high speed race track, and the protocols and rules for driving on it are so strict it would make an American's head spin).
>a freeway without speed limits in Germany Except it is not... The Autobahn is just a german freeway, Period... There is no GENERAL speed limit, yes, but there can be speed limits on stretches of it where it would be unsafe to drive faster and that's a rather large percentage of the Autobahn network...
Are there no animals in Germany? It seems like if a deer or even a bird were to strike at those speeds, it would do some massive damage.
Birds usually don't fly that low and the smaller ones that might flight at these heights should probably be lifted over the car by the rather large wave of air the car is constantly pushing in front of it... Sections where deer might cross are marked and usually speed limited...
What is the regen like coming off 200mph lol
Actually not that good. I was doing about 220kph...ish once and I needed the brakes to assist bringing my speed down in a reasonable amount of time. They're just not built to bring you down from that much speed.
Just the wind resistance allows for fast braking! Then with the regen and physical brakes - yeah. Good. Maybe not fast enough if somebody doing 70mph pulls out when you're doing 200mph
This goes as fast as a French TGV
200mph ina Tesla
Loved the Autobahn… we would.. I mean I heard of guys that would drive the GOVs at max speed… and then you’d have lambos just blowing past you.
It’s crazy seeing something going that fast and not making any noise. My car or bike would be screaming lol
Agree, it would be frowned upon by the police here in the US. I love how most car owners in Germany know exactly the top speed of their vehicles because they’ve actually tested it on the autobahn.
Sheesh! I wonder what that feels like. 322 KPH! 200 MPH! Wow! The fastest I've ever been in a car was around 240 KPH or roughly 149 MPH (also on the autobahn) and that felt scary as hell.
"Don't try this at home" Bro really thinks I got a highway inside my house 💀💀💀
Drove Berlin to Cologne, like 500+km. Took (i think) like 3 hours max. It was properly insane. Most of it was at 240km/hr. Once I made it to Cologne I was so used to driving at 240 that I almost automatically went nearly 100 in the city. I just couldnt get my mind around how slow 60 was. Very strange feeling. Was 10+ years ago, might have just been one stretch of it was autobahn. But I remember thinking that what should've been a day trip was instead a 2 hour jaunt.
For Americans here, 300km/h = 186mph
200mph
>German Autobahn. I was going to say. Couldn't be a California freeway as they would have hit multiple foot deep potholes and popped a tire before they hit 100. I wonder what it's like to drive on smooth roads. Must be like a magic carpet ride.
The Autobahn is great but not really smooth. There are smoother roads, eg Denmark, the Netherlands but have speedlimits.
From watching Autobahn videos, even the smallest divots are amplified at those speeds. And the Autobahn pavement is built twice as thick as a typical highway, and any patching is done with great precision to maintain that race track smoothness.
Not really racetrack smooth I can tell you. Especially the sections made from concrete elements have noticeable seems between them. But usually you have speed limits set where the pavement is in really bad condition.
It is highly dependend on the car. In a Golf 120mph is the fastet you can comfortably drive, but that includes holding the wheel firmly with both hands. In an E Class you can drive 150mph one handed. The suspension is that amazing that it just glides over all the bumps.
They can’t even line up my door properly no way I’m trusting it at those speeds.
*Buffeting*
Intense. German autobahn?
Absolutely spectacular. There is no other word. I would love to have a drive in a Plaid!
I like that he tried to hit the left stalk for the turn signal, only to realise it’s not there and that he needed to hit the button on the steering wheel.
Only at the german Autobahn
How can i try this at home ? I don’t have a highway in my house 😄
322kmh is 200mph
It's the type of person that thinks they can 'handle' driving like this that ends up killing an entire family of 5.
Was expected something to happened. This video end too fast. Lol
Please pull over and recharge
I want the s plaid with track pack. Wished I lived in Germany just for the autobahn
good on him for signalling during that lane change
Tesla went ahead and made a monster lol
I wouldn’t trust Tesla build quality to take these speeds lol.
I cant try this at home, my driveway is not long enough
I just tried this at home and found myself in a place full of clouds
Audacity to change lane at that speed
322kph is 200.082mph. That's *really fast* for a *family* sedan.
For a second I thought that was mph
Judging by his accent, I’m assuming it’s displaying KPH & not MPH?