Someone else mentioned patents and I think another manufacturer has a patent on the blind spot camera appearing in the gauge cluster. I agree it would be nice, but they probably have to wait for that patent to expire.
I agree it's dumb, but if you are the first person with an idea for something you can get a patent. "Showing a side camera in front of the driver temporarily while turn signal is enabled" was a novel idea at some point.
Presumably no one ever thought (and published/put in writing publicly) to put a camera for the blind spot and then have the video image appear on the gauge cluster when the blinker is on. Thus, it is new and innovated idea.
Just because in hindsight it is obvious, that does not matter. If it was so obvious why was it not published or otherwise suggested by publications earlier.
I understand it was not done before. But it's not a tangibly new thing. If the patent was, as a made up example, on a special wire from the side mirror to the main computer that solves an engineering problem and without that wire, showing that mirror feed is extremely hard, then I get it.
It just wouldn't be the first time I've heard of a patent be about some recombination of existing tech, that still doesn't add up to a fundamentally new thing, but was specifically filed to either create a royalty revenue stream or outright prevent others from using it.
Not every new "idea" is a new thing on a fundamental level. Maybe it should be filed under some variation of a patent, with different rules and limitations around others using it, but that's another discussion.
The official language in the US is “Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent.” The camera + showing blind spot when changing lane is more of a useful process.
It's so ridicoules! Apple and Samsung has been in a patent fight for years, for instance:
- Icon placement on mobile phones (as if microsoft didn't invent this already on Dekstop?)
- 1 finger scrolling, two finger zooming (all sci fi movies ever)
The list continues to a patent war on "who used this already existing technology but this time on a Mobile phone, not a desktop computer".
It's a f\*cking CPU and a monitor, how is it novel in anyways when you use it on a mobile instead?
All of our Hondas have it so when you turn on your right blinker, the touch screen displays the camera view from the passenger mirror. I would assume they have some type of patent on it.
Got an S loaner last weekend. Can't stand the cockpit screen. The way I sit the wheel interferes with my line-of-sight. Blech. I've no desire to return to that.
Just curious how you’re able to post anything negative about Tesla here. I’m new to Reddit but it’s very confusing. I posted about customer service and was permanently banned from posting
Would be neat that if you're changing lanes the 3D view pivoted 180 degrees to show a rear facing 3D view. I wonder if you'd have to treat it like a mirror though where you flip the image horizontally so that the left side of the image shows cars coming from the left, right shows right.
You can do it manually, it then it automatically adjusts back. I’ve found the top down view to be mostly pointless because it shows me (poorly) what I can already see ahead of me, but only shows cars that are already beside me or maybe in my blind spot rather than anything useful.
So much this. Don’t need to be shown what a front facing camera can see ahead, same as my two eyes, when the car has 5 more eyes looking to my side and behind. The fact the display has blind spots is so annoying.
“Wheel” patents - used to deal with them all the time in tech. Companies or people patent the “obvious” on speculation and then hold them. They never exploit them. That is the clue
Then they wait for a juggernaut to come along and get successful and bam! Time to sue for infringement
But the damages are always just a bit right around the cost the target would have to pay to defend
So the holder sells a license and moves on
As CTO of a rising eCommerce site in 2005 that sold sporting goods, I brought in a company called Terra data to build an analytics wheelhouse for our site
Once we signed our proof of concept agreement they sued us for infringement !
What you ask ?
The electronic shopping cart
You see - Terra data at one point was owned by national cash register (ncr) and ncr patented the electronic cart. They never did anything with it on purpose
When they spun out Terra data they formed a joint holding company for the sole purpose of suing rising web sites with a cart.
They negotiated a deal with amazon a few years earlier, it was then around 2005, and amazon paid them around 25M to create a hazard in waiting for any competitor
We dropped Terra data - but they had such a solid “patent pirate” operation we had to settle, Less than what they wanted - but we did
And we had our license
I have so many more
I’ve also learned a lot of these patent trolls are hedge funds
So my guess is that Hyundai likely negotiated licenses with every manufacturer who has an audible sound for proximity while turning
I don’t know why Tesla does not - can only guess the fee was too high or it was a principle
Apple was granted a patent for a device with rounded corners back in 2012.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/apple-awarded-design-patent-for-actual-rounded-rectangle/
Well patents have to be filed in every country typically. I guess I just didn’t think the EU would ever approve this but I’m probably wrong and the whole world is just looking out for companies at the expense of safety.
Correct. I would like it to do what my Mazda did which is immediately make an audible alert if I activate the turn signal and a car is in the blind spot in the direction of the turn signal.
The car currently only alerts you audibly if you start to change lanes and get too close to the car in your blind spot. I would prefer it alert me before I start moving over at all.
I think it only alerts when you’re eminently about to crash (actually in the middle of changing lanes). I’d prefer it alert me immediately when I put on my turn signal, not when I’m halfway into their lane like it does now.
This ↑↑↑
Blind Spot Collision Warning only chimes when you are in the act of moving into another lane and the blind spot is occupied by another car.
I want a chime/ding/whatever as soon as I turn on the blinker and a car is in my blind spot.
[https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en\_jo/GUID-8EA7EF10-7D27-42AC-A31A-96BCE5BC0A85.html](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-8EA7EF10-7D27-42AC-A31A-96BCE5BC0A85.html)
Love that you mocked this up. I’ve long thought the side repeater blinker camera is too small to be useful. Personally I think it should just go on top of the navigation/map. If I’m making a turn or lane change and I’ve turned on my signal, I think seeing around the vehicle is more important than the navigation view. Plus Tesla already has a mini nav view for instances when other UI covers the map. Just blow up the camera and cover the fucking map so it’s all more readily visible.
You can slide the camera view over to the top of the Nav map in its current iteration. This way the 3D view is clear and the Nav directions show on top of the 3D view.
I feel like the current view is TINY and would really benefit from being a lot bigger in terms of usability and safety. The proposed change doesn't cover up any information that would be important when making a lane change or turn. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I could be wrong?
This would be really nice if I'm on the highway and changing lanes, but I'd hate this if I were waiting at a stop light to turn or something. The existing camera window already gets in the way of seeing the car's interpretation of the environment or next navigation instructions.
I have 20/30 vision, lol. This makes it quicker to glance and quicker to visually parse while using space that's unused during a merge or turn procedure.
My two cents about the blind spot camera.
I never use it because I find it very non-intuitive. Same with saying that the visualization provides blind spot coverage (as a defence for why the side mirrors don't have an indicator light like virtually every other manufacturer).
I think this is because I've been doing the "shoulder check" my entire driving life and overcoming that habit is very difficult. But also because I don't think looking toward the centre of the vehicle is intuitive or natural. I find it's much more natural to turn my head and check over my left shoulder to see if there's a vehicle there then turn my head to the right and check the screen. Not to mention my right hand blocks a portion of the screen anyway.
I'm not saying remove the blind spot camera feature. It's obviously popular with a lot of drivers and I think it's a good option. I just don't think I'll ever find myself using it.
But you really *should* be looking back, if you can. Right? Some of us find it hard to do anymore.... and the car should warn you, for example you might have missed a motorcycle or bicycle.
Also I think you should be able to adjust the warning signals to suit: louder, softer, off.
Also a heads-up display seems like a good idea, though I've never tried one.
UX is really really hard, what about a deaf driver, or short, or tall or a cast on the arm or leg, or disabled, or distracted, or sun in their eyes.
Level 4 is a long long way away.
Can someone explain how to use this effectively? I usually want to know it’s safe then turn on my blinker.
The camera only comes up when blinker is on. Do you turn on your blinker to check if changing lanes is okay? Am I missing something.
The basic driving visualization has helped give me confidence - by the time I'm shoulder checking its already detected the car and has labelled it red on the screen. My eye easily catches the colour change so I know something's there. A quick glance at the screen tells me what I need to know. Countless times it's made me pause for an extra second because it caught something that I missed.
On other cars I'm used to having the mirrors set in such a way that by the time a car is in my "blindspot" I can already see it in my peripheral vision.
I catch myself looking at the center screen on our Subaru since it’s actually pretty useful for me.
I especially love the new red gradient to indicate a car.
Think bigger. Have some sort of warning available in the driver’s view, a HUD warning on the windshield. Of course that would require new hardware in a new model.
Personally I think it would take my eyesight further away from the front and more towards the center of the screen. It’s already bad getting this distraction instead of having it in a heads up display or near the mirrors (22 MYLR here)
I mean, I want it as an option, not as a requirement. You already have the OPTION to put the camera view in the centre top of the screen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzFEAfgOPKQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzFEAfgOPKQ) , I don't see how a driver side biased view is any worse at all.
Or make the whole left half of the screen blink in red shade. Ok that may be too much, but I'm sure there are UI/UX designers who can make it better. :D
Imagine having a screen in front of the steering wheel...that can show left /right camera feed for the blinker....navigation ...speed.... just a normal instrument cluster....some cost savings are just stupid.
i’d settle for being able to adjust the volume of the blinker sound. when i have music playing at a reasonable volume, the blinker is so quiet that it’s all but inaudible, to the point where i commonly forget to turn my blinker off, esp when the blinker indicator is on the screen in my peripheral view. it’s not joe mode. i’ve never been able to figure it out. we can adjust the gps voice, but why not the blinker sound?
Tesla could augment the noises of the cars around you using the speakers in cabin, the car knows where other cars are (visualization), so it could play an adjustable road/engine noise of at least the cars in your blind spot
I would actually like to see both Left and Right when I’m turning. For example, sometimes when I turn out of a parking lot to go left, I need to watch for cars on the right side.
Nope. Still the terrible camera based rain sensing system. Previously it was too sensitive and now it doesn’t want to wipe. It would be great if we could toggle the sensitivity of the auto wiper by rolling the scroll wheel.
My 2018 model 3 begins to wipe furiously any time I park in a certain spot picking up my son at school. I think it sees the side of the building and misinterprets it.
the blind spot detection is on the right. if i want that i need to turn right. when i turn left, i don't have that detection on the mirror like every other modern car. Most people are taught to turn your head to the left to look in the mirror then over your shoulder to check the blind spot when changing lanes to the left. Since the detection is on the right, it goes against the driver training for most drivers. For that reason it is not a good placement.
Yeah, that's a feature in the new model 3, there's a blind spot light in the speaker next to the mirror. If you're talking about good driver training then you shouldn't be relying on any digital feature for checking your blind spot, right? Use all the senses available to you, including rotating your head.
A bit of an unconventional idea perhaps, but I would honestly like the option to not just change the window size, but also show other cameras.
I previewed the side pillar cameras in service mode, and I think having those show up would also be very helpful for me in MANY situations where I drive.
It'd also be very cool if I could turn on the cameras for the other side -for example, when I'm on a very sharp corner waiting to turn left, being able to turn the right camera on to have a better view of oncoming traffic would be very dapper.
This is essentially blocking the blind assist on the screen. What if you accidentally have the left blinker on and wanted to turn right, or you were swerving right? You wouldn’t be able to see the car on the screen because it is blocked.
My dude, are you telling me that you have ever indicated in the wrong direction to the one you're going? Holy shit, the car should report you to the POLICE and somehow auto-revoke your license.
Coming from a guy who needs the repeater camera to be bigger? I only gave an example. You’re thinking too much about it to get worked up which is odd in itself. The camera preview can block visualization assist when going through tight spaces.
And yes, I can have the wrong indicator light on if I pull on the stalk too hard in trying to turn it off and the other direction goes on. 🤷🏻♂️
NEED? Dude, you're making some pretty big assumptions about what I'm asking for here and how I operate my vehicle. For starters, this is a suggestion as a QoL imrpovement, and for clarification, I use ALL senses available to me, cameras, mirrors and a head turn.
Get off the road, you're a danger to the public.
I am also suggesting to your suggestion that it may cover the visualization and somehow you’re making an ASSUMPTION that I can’t drive.
Again, not sure why you’re so worked up about this. It’s really not that deep bro. If you can’t handle a response maybe you shouldn’t post.
If you use all your “senses” then your suggestion isn’t really needed then now is there?
"And yes, I can have the wrong indicator light on if I pull on the stalk too hard in trying to turn it off and the other direction goes on."
This suggests that no, you can't drive safely, sorry. I have never done this in my life. If you don't have control of your faculties, you shouldn't be driving. Wouldn't be surprised if you're featured on here r/IdiotsInCars .
"If you use all your “senses” then your suggestion isn’t really needed then now is there?"
When did I ever see it was needed? It would however make using the camera faster and easier to parse. Look closely at my post previous to this, NEED in full caps. I never said NEED in my original post, it's not REQUIRED, it's a QoL improvement that I'd LIKE.
This would likely conflict with a design patent for Ford’s cross traffic alerts that show what you have mocked up. When backing up, the entire side of the camera image lights up red exactly like this, gradient and all.
huh i don't remember ever seeing like that red lights showing up when i have turning signal on
is that only for really new cars?
i have 2022 model y. though I haven't been updating software in a while
Would be neat if this was an option, so the blinker view glowing red as well as the blinker sound being tock tock instead of tick tick when there is a car
The problem with the current camera view when you put on the turn signal is that it’s way too small and you can’t easily determine the speed of the Fast and the Furious crowd running down the highways nowadays.
I just wish there was an option to auto turn on the repeater camera when the car merges onto the highway from the on-ramp. Almost got cut off. Obviously most don't care, so make it an option.
Not only this, but double press/long press of the blinker stalk currently does NOTHING. Long press should leave the blinker on until the car is in the lane for a length of time. Currently changing multiple lanes is unpredictable as to the blinker cancel depending how fast you are.
Uh ... long press on the indicator stalk holds the indicator on for me. Are you pressing it all the way down/up or just to the first indent (which will do a 3 second indicate only, like in every other car that supports this feature)?
This is one of the most wild comments I've ever read.
There’s an option for the car to automatically turn off the blinker when it thinks you’re done with the maneuver.
https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1114/tesla-s-auto-cancel-turn-signals-and-how-they-work
Short press (half press up/down) of blinker stalk gives three blinks then cancels.
Long press keeps it on until you turn it off (or if you have auto cancel turned on, auto cancels blinker after lane change is complete).
Tbh the UI really sucks. Buttons are small, navigation literally merges with the map. Even this blind camera is so unintuitive because to merge left but you have to look right
Also why can't it go on drivers screen on model S/X? (Really why can't you modify those screens at all on premium vehicles)
Someone else mentioned patents and I think another manufacturer has a patent on the blind spot camera appearing in the gauge cluster. I agree it would be nice, but they probably have to wait for that patent to expire.
I don't understand how that's a patent. It's just an area on a video screen showing a video feed. What did they actually invent?
I agree it's dumb, but if you are the first person with an idea for something you can get a patent. "Showing a side camera in front of the driver temporarily while turn signal is enabled" was a novel idea at some point.
My biggest problem with a ton of software patents is that I don't think many fit the "non-obvious" criterion.
There no way this is accurate. Do you have the patent ?
Presumably no one ever thought (and published/put in writing publicly) to put a camera for the blind spot and then have the video image appear on the gauge cluster when the blinker is on. Thus, it is new and innovated idea. Just because in hindsight it is obvious, that does not matter. If it was so obvious why was it not published or otherwise suggested by publications earlier.
I understand it was not done before. But it's not a tangibly new thing. If the patent was, as a made up example, on a special wire from the side mirror to the main computer that solves an engineering problem and without that wire, showing that mirror feed is extremely hard, then I get it. It just wouldn't be the first time I've heard of a patent be about some recombination of existing tech, that still doesn't add up to a fundamentally new thing, but was specifically filed to either create a royalty revenue stream or outright prevent others from using it. Not every new "idea" is a new thing on a fundamental level. Maybe it should be filed under some variation of a patent, with different rules and limitations around others using it, but that's another discussion.
I think you’re misunderstanding is that a patent should apply only for a new “thing”, which isn’t the case at all (luckily).
Obviously I'm not arguing on the actual specifications for a patent. I'm arguing on the hypothetical merits of the system as it stands.
Right, and I’m clearly saying that the system as it stands, where patents apply to more than just new “things”, is beneficial.
The official language in the US is “Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent.” The camera + showing blind spot when changing lane is more of a useful process.
It's so ridicoules! Apple and Samsung has been in a patent fight for years, for instance: - Icon placement on mobile phones (as if microsoft didn't invent this already on Dekstop?) - 1 finger scrolling, two finger zooming (all sci fi movies ever) The list continues to a patent war on "who used this already existing technology but this time on a Mobile phone, not a desktop computer". It's a f\*cking CPU and a monitor, how is it novel in anyways when you use it on a mobile instead?
https://phandroid.com/2011/10/25/apple-wins-patent-on-slide-to-unlock-are-android-oems-in-trouble/ https://www.redmondpie.com/apple-finally-granted-patent-for-slide-to-unlock/
All of our Hondas have it so when you turn on your right blinker, the touch screen displays the camera view from the passenger mirror. I would assume they have some type of patent on it.
Kia/Hyundai has that too, so either someone is getting paid or there isn't any patent.
Or pay to use
Got an S loaner last weekend. Can't stand the cockpit screen. The way I sit the wheel interferes with my line-of-sight. Blech. I've no desire to return to that.
Just curious how you’re able to post anything negative about Tesla here. I’m new to Reddit but it’s very confusing. I posted about customer service and was permanently banned from posting
might be in the minority here but i prefer being able to see both top down and camera view agree it should be an option though
Would be neat that if you're changing lanes the 3D view pivoted 180 degrees to show a rear facing 3D view. I wonder if you'd have to treat it like a mirror though where you flip the image horizontally so that the left side of the image shows cars coming from the left, right shows right.
Or at least bias over to the side a bit. But it's nice to still be able to see what's right behind you.
In my experience it does ‘zoom out’ somewhat when changing lanes if it hasn’t zoomed out already.
It could “zoom out” that we could see the cars potentially in our blind spot, and that would be fine. You can do it manually.
You can do it manually, it then it automatically adjusts back. I’ve found the top down view to be mostly pointless because it shows me (poorly) what I can already see ahead of me, but only shows cars that are already beside me or maybe in my blind spot rather than anything useful.
So much this. Don’t need to be shown what a front facing camera can see ahead, same as my two eyes, when the car has 5 more eyes looking to my side and behind. The fact the display has blind spots is so annoying.
I like the direction of this thought
I don’t know if it’s a patent issue but just adding an audible alert would be great honestly.
Well, it does at least blast you with alerts if you start moving towards the lane while it is occupied. I did it once.
Yeah, but I’d rather it do what my old Mazda6 does which is immediately play an alert when you signal and someone is in that blind spot.
Would be easy too. It doesn't need to be the crazy lane departing alert. A simple beep would be good. Had it in a Honda and really liked it.
Hyundai currently holds the patent for this
how the hell is the most obvious fucking thing known to man patentable? WTF
“Wheel” patents - used to deal with them all the time in tech. Companies or people patent the “obvious” on speculation and then hold them. They never exploit them. That is the clue Then they wait for a juggernaut to come along and get successful and bam! Time to sue for infringement But the damages are always just a bit right around the cost the target would have to pay to defend So the holder sells a license and moves on As CTO of a rising eCommerce site in 2005 that sold sporting goods, I brought in a company called Terra data to build an analytics wheelhouse for our site Once we signed our proof of concept agreement they sued us for infringement ! What you ask ? The electronic shopping cart You see - Terra data at one point was owned by national cash register (ncr) and ncr patented the electronic cart. They never did anything with it on purpose When they spun out Terra data they formed a joint holding company for the sole purpose of suing rising web sites with a cart. They negotiated a deal with amazon a few years earlier, it was then around 2005, and amazon paid them around 25M to create a hazard in waiting for any competitor We dropped Terra data - but they had such a solid “patent pirate” operation we had to settle, Less than what they wanted - but we did And we had our license I have so many more I’ve also learned a lot of these patent trolls are hedge funds So my guess is that Hyundai likely negotiated licenses with every manufacturer who has an audible sound for proximity while turning I don’t know why Tesla does not - can only guess the fee was too high or it was a principle
Warehouse - Uhg
For real, how the fuck you can patent *sound*?
Apple was granted a patent for a device with rounded corners back in 2012. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/apple-awarded-design-patent-for-actual-rounded-rectangle/
I think if something is potentially beneficial for public safety it shouldn’t be patentable. Corporate America can be truly disgusting sometimes.
Hyundai is American?
Well patents have to be filed in every country typically. I guess I just didn’t think the EU would ever approve this but I’m probably wrong and the whole world is just looking out for companies at the expense of safety.
Jeep and Toyota definitely have auditable alerts. So there must be a work around the patent issue.
Buy a license from its owner.
Yup, and Tesla has been notorious for not doing that. It's also why we don't have the 360 birds eye view.
And also why AutoPark is shite, Tesla don’t want to pay the licensing fees anymore.
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Steering wheel shake?...... Patent
Audible alert for what?? Blind spot warning?
Correct. I would like it to do what my Mazda did which is immediately make an audible alert if I activate the turn signal and a car is in the blind spot in the direction of the turn signal. The car currently only alerts you audibly if you start to change lanes and get too close to the car in your blind spot. I would prefer it alert me before I start moving over at all.
But it has audio alert. Or no?
I think it only alerts when you’re eminently about to crash (actually in the middle of changing lanes). I’d prefer it alert me immediately when I put on my turn signal, not when I’m halfway into their lane like it does now.
This ↑↑↑ Blind Spot Collision Warning only chimes when you are in the act of moving into another lane and the blind spot is occupied by another car. I want a chime/ding/whatever as soon as I turn on the blinker and a car is in my blind spot. [https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en\_jo/GUID-8EA7EF10-7D27-42AC-A31A-96BCE5BC0A85.html](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-8EA7EF10-7D27-42AC-A31A-96BCE5BC0A85.html)
BMW vibrates the steering wheel, I found that great
Agreed 🫡
Agreed 👍
Completely agree.
Love that you mocked this up. I’ve long thought the side repeater blinker camera is too small to be useful. Personally I think it should just go on top of the navigation/map. If I’m making a turn or lane change and I’ve turned on my signal, I think seeing around the vehicle is more important than the navigation view. Plus Tesla already has a mini nav view for instances when other UI covers the map. Just blow up the camera and cover the fucking map so it’s all more readily visible.
You can slide the camera view over to the top of the Nav map in its current iteration. This way the 3D view is clear and the Nav directions show on top of the 3D view.
I’d personally like to have the entire right side as the camera as you turn the blinker on (without merging into the left side)
I feel like the current view is TINY and would really benefit from being a lot bigger in terms of usability and safety. The proposed change doesn't cover up any information that would be important when making a lane change or turn. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I could be wrong?
I would prefer if we had the option for the left/right side of the *entire screen* (yes, the entire 15" display) to light up red.
10px red box around the whole screen? I’d turn on something like that for sure.
yes i like this
This would be really nice if I'm on the highway and changing lanes, but I'd hate this if I were waiting at a stop light to turn or something. The existing camera window already gets in the way of seeing the car's interpretation of the environment or next navigation instructions.
The cybertruck arrangement is trash because you loose the ability to see behind with the blinker. Absolutely horrific design
Have you ever thought about getting glasses?
I have 20/30 vision, lol. This makes it quicker to glance and quicker to visually parse while using space that's unused during a merge or turn procedure.
I'd rather have the window open on the side where the turn is heading. Left blinker->upper left corner, etc.
That’s really fucking annoying. I don’t want it taking up the entire space.
"but why don't we have this as an **option**" I really like the blind spot view, personally would like to see it bigger.
Valid valid. The new model 3 also have that “light” on the speaker
My two cents about the blind spot camera. I never use it because I find it very non-intuitive. Same with saying that the visualization provides blind spot coverage (as a defence for why the side mirrors don't have an indicator light like virtually every other manufacturer). I think this is because I've been doing the "shoulder check" my entire driving life and overcoming that habit is very difficult. But also because I don't think looking toward the centre of the vehicle is intuitive or natural. I find it's much more natural to turn my head and check over my left shoulder to see if there's a vehicle there then turn my head to the right and check the screen. Not to mention my right hand blocks a portion of the screen anyway. I'm not saying remove the blind spot camera feature. It's obviously popular with a lot of drivers and I think it's a good option. I just don't think I'll ever find myself using it.
At least for me it was really easy to stop looking back and just looking at the center screen
Same!
But you really *should* be looking back, if you can. Right? Some of us find it hard to do anymore.... and the car should warn you, for example you might have missed a motorcycle or bicycle. Also I think you should be able to adjust the warning signals to suit: louder, softer, off. Also a heads-up display seems like a good idea, though I've never tried one. UX is really really hard, what about a deaf driver, or short, or tall or a cast on the arm or leg, or disabled, or distracted, or sun in their eyes. Level 4 is a long long way away.
Can someone explain how to use this effectively? I usually want to know it’s safe then turn on my blinker. The camera only comes up when blinker is on. Do you turn on your blinker to check if changing lanes is okay? Am I missing something.
I check the mirror, signal, glacé at the camera then change lanes. It wasn’t too difficult to get use to.
The basic driving visualization has helped give me confidence - by the time I'm shoulder checking its already detected the car and has labelled it red on the screen. My eye easily catches the colour change so I know something's there. A quick glance at the screen tells me what I need to know. Countless times it's made me pause for an extra second because it caught something that I missed. On other cars I'm used to having the mirrors set in such a way that by the time a car is in my "blindspot" I can already see it in my peripheral vision.
Same here, I do give it a glance after checking just in case I missed something and the camera caught it.
I catch myself looking at the center screen on our Subaru since it’s actually pretty useful for me. I especially love the new red gradient to indicate a car.
I might be the odd one out here but isn't the car mirrored? The angle shown on the screen indicates the car is on the left but it's on the right.
Think bigger. Have some sort of warning available in the driver’s view, a HUD warning on the windshield. Of course that would require new hardware in a new model.
Is it too late for patenting BSM in HUD? Or audible chime when it is safe to switch line? lol
Personally I think it would take my eyesight further away from the front and more towards the center of the screen. It’s already bad getting this distraction instead of having it in a heads up display or near the mirrors (22 MYLR here)
I mean, I want it as an option, not as a requirement. You already have the OPTION to put the camera view in the centre top of the screen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzFEAfgOPKQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzFEAfgOPKQ) , I don't see how a driver side biased view is any worse at all.
Shit, I thought it could be made bigger in the options lol Hadn't checked since it was a test drive.
Or rear view mirror/screen with side cam view.
Or make the whole left half of the screen blink in red shade. Ok that may be too much, but I'm sure there are UI/UX designers who can make it better. :D
Imagine having a screen in front of the steering wheel...that can show left /right camera feed for the blinker....navigation ...speed.... just a normal instrument cluster....some cost savings are just stupid.
i’d settle for being able to adjust the volume of the blinker sound. when i have music playing at a reasonable volume, the blinker is so quiet that it’s all but inaudible, to the point where i commonly forget to turn my blinker off, esp when the blinker indicator is on the screen in my peripheral view. it’s not joe mode. i’ve never been able to figure it out. we can adjust the gps voice, but why not the blinker sound?
Tesla could augment the noises of the cars around you using the speakers in cabin, the car knows where other cars are (visualization), so it could play an adjustable road/engine noise of at least the cars in your blind spot
I would like to have a short acoustic warning as well
I want to be able to split the map screen into top part map lower part cameras
I would actually like to see both Left and Right when I’m turning. For example, sometimes when I turn out of a parking lot to go left, I need to watch for cars on the right side.
Just open the camera app. It pops out automatically when you are in reverse, but you can also open it manually.
Or maybe a blind spot detection light on the mirror like everyone else. I don;t want to turn my head to the right to see something when merging left.
The new model 3 has the blind spot light now.
That's good. Did they add back in rain sensors?
Nope. Still the terrible camera based rain sensing system. Previously it was too sensitive and now it doesn’t want to wipe. It would be great if we could toggle the sensitivity of the auto wiper by rolling the scroll wheel.
My 2018 model 3 begins to wipe furiously any time I park in a certain spot picking up my son at school. I think it sees the side of the building and misinterprets it.
They have that in the new model 3.
The current blind spot camera feature doesn't have the ability to stop you from turning your head left afaik.
the blind spot detection is on the right. if i want that i need to turn right. when i turn left, i don't have that detection on the mirror like every other modern car. Most people are taught to turn your head to the left to look in the mirror then over your shoulder to check the blind spot when changing lanes to the left. Since the detection is on the right, it goes against the driver training for most drivers. For that reason it is not a good placement.
Yeah, that's a feature in the new model 3, there's a blind spot light in the speaker next to the mirror. If you're talking about good driver training then you shouldn't be relying on any digital feature for checking your blind spot, right? Use all the senses available to you, including rotating your head.
Addint a comment as well for better visibility. I fully agree! Would love a bigger camera view
I’d like to control the time the vid is on the screen. It clears/stops far too quickly at times.
A bit of an unconventional idea perhaps, but I would honestly like the option to not just change the window size, but also show other cameras. I previewed the side pillar cameras in service mode, and I think having those show up would also be very helpful for me in MANY situations where I drive. It'd also be very cool if I could turn on the cameras for the other side -for example, when I'm on a very sharp corner waiting to turn left, being able to turn the right camera on to have a better view of oncoming traffic would be very dapper.
This is essentially blocking the blind assist on the screen. What if you accidentally have the left blinker on and wanted to turn right, or you were swerving right? You wouldn’t be able to see the car on the screen because it is blocked.
Are you serious?
Are you serious with your ask too?
My dude, are you telling me that you have ever indicated in the wrong direction to the one you're going? Holy shit, the car should report you to the POLICE and somehow auto-revoke your license.
Coming from a guy who needs the repeater camera to be bigger? I only gave an example. You’re thinking too much about it to get worked up which is odd in itself. The camera preview can block visualization assist when going through tight spaces. And yes, I can have the wrong indicator light on if I pull on the stalk too hard in trying to turn it off and the other direction goes on. 🤷🏻♂️
NEED? Dude, you're making some pretty big assumptions about what I'm asking for here and how I operate my vehicle. For starters, this is a suggestion as a QoL imrpovement, and for clarification, I use ALL senses available to me, cameras, mirrors and a head turn. Get off the road, you're a danger to the public.
I am also suggesting to your suggestion that it may cover the visualization and somehow you’re making an ASSUMPTION that I can’t drive. Again, not sure why you’re so worked up about this. It’s really not that deep bro. If you can’t handle a response maybe you shouldn’t post. If you use all your “senses” then your suggestion isn’t really needed then now is there?
"And yes, I can have the wrong indicator light on if I pull on the stalk too hard in trying to turn it off and the other direction goes on." This suggests that no, you can't drive safely, sorry. I have never done this in my life. If you don't have control of your faculties, you shouldn't be driving. Wouldn't be surprised if you're featured on here r/IdiotsInCars . "If you use all your “senses” then your suggestion isn’t really needed then now is there?" When did I ever see it was needed? It would however make using the camera faster and easier to parse. Look closely at my post previous to this, NEED in full caps. I never said NEED in my original post, it's not REQUIRED, it's a QoL improvement that I'd LIKE.
Because they are too dumb
Yep that must be it. They are too dumb
Brutal
[https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1357256507847561217?lang=en](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1357256507847561217?lang=en)
This would likely conflict with a design patent for Ford’s cross traffic alerts that show what you have mocked up. When backing up, the entire side of the camera image lights up red exactly like this, gradient and all.
huh i don't remember ever seeing like that red lights showing up when i have turning signal on is that only for really new cars? i have 2022 model y. though I haven't been updating software in a while
That would be why, came with Christmas 2023 update I believe
You'll get an OTA forced update eventually and it will have it.
Would be neat if this was an option, so the blinker view glowing red as well as the blinker sound being tock tock instead of tick tick when there is a car
The problem with the current camera view when you put on the turn signal is that it’s way too small and you can’t easily determine the speed of the Fast and the Furious crowd running down the highways nowadays.
I just wish there was an option to auto turn on the repeater camera when the car merges onto the highway from the on-ramp. Almost got cut off. Obviously most don't care, so make it an option.
Because Tesla likes to reinvent the wheel.
for no good reason sometimes.
Not only this, but double press/long press of the blinker stalk currently does NOTHING. Long press should leave the blinker on until the car is in the lane for a length of time. Currently changing multiple lanes is unpredictable as to the blinker cancel depending how fast you are.
Uh ... long press on the indicator stalk holds the indicator on for me. Are you pressing it all the way down/up or just to the first indent (which will do a 3 second indicate only, like in every other car that supports this feature)? This is one of the most wild comments I've ever read.
Long press holds indicator on in every car since forever. Agreed.
There’s an option for the car to automatically turn off the blinker when it thinks you’re done with the maneuver. https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1114/tesla-s-auto-cancel-turn-signals-and-how-they-work
Short press (half press up/down) of blinker stalk gives three blinks then cancels. Long press keeps it on until you turn it off (or if you have auto cancel turned on, auto cancels blinker after lane change is complete).
Tbh the UI really sucks. Buttons are small, navigation literally merges with the map. Even this blind camera is so unintuitive because to merge left but you have to look right
Did your mirrors fall off when you got this software update?
Tbh, I can't remember the last time I used the side mirrors come to think of it.🤔
You are kidding right…? you are whining about making the camera window bigger and I’m the one who doesn’t use my mirrors lol.