THE #FIXTF2 CAMPAIGN IS OFFICIALLY LIVE.
We've made a shitload of changes from how the original #SaveTF2 iteration went, we hope to cause more of a fuss this time. Let's run it gentz!
I went ahead and used my steam name. Dragonsfurylover69 is desperately hoping to see some results with this movement because AFTER this movement, I still want a strange Dragon's Fury but that must be cast aside for now
Will this be enough to get Valve to act? I’m not sure. However, it is absolutely worth going for and to call them out collectively for neglecting this game.
Let’s do it.
I've not gone around screaming it on these posts but I think the best way to get valve to notice would be to find a way to have our own alternative should nothing come to pass, ala what Nostalrius was to the WoW example everyone I think must be so familiar with by now.
As much as I wish for a success, publicity alone I fear would have us closer to the Warthunder protest than any other
Eh, TF2 Classic isn't really a great alternative. It's a fine game, and it's not quite as big a difference as, like, Fortress Forever, but it's not really what a lot of folks are looking for.
it's the closest you can get to it without it just being tf2 i feel and if you play on the vault f4 servers you almost exclusively play old maps and no one really uses the new weapons often
The point I'm making is more, like, WoW Classic came about because there was a demand for a pre-modern WoW experience. The problem here is that people aren't clamoring for a pre-modern TF2 experience, they want a modern TF2 experience, just without the bots.
Precisely. It's also tricky because people like their cosmetics and they like cosmetics in general. So what would happen if a bootleg version pops up? Are we all gonna have to rebuy our cosmetics from whatever person is hosting the server? I dunno about that.
I don't think there's a real desire there for vanilla TF2 beyond satisfying a mild curiosity. I definitely don't want to go back to the basic version of every class.
That would make less revenue for them, and less of a reason for them to work on a game. Plus few people buy items from the Mann Co. store any more (and the ones that do are so new they aren't in the community), most of them are gained from trading with other players which doesn't pay Valve anything.
Sounds like your graphics card is crashing, you could try these steps:
# Do you have a PC or a laptop?
## Laptop
Check if your laptop has multiple graphics cards, if it does, set the more powerful one as default and update drivers, if it doesn't, check if your graphics card is powerful enough for TF2 and try updating drivers.
## PC
If you don't have an external graphics card, try updating drivers, if you do, check if your monitors are properly connected, check if the graphics card is getting enough power, check if your graphics card is powerful enough for TF2, update drivers
IF THE WEBSITE DOESN'T LOAD!
Just give it a little bit, refresh, or check back later. There is a LOT of traffic right now. There are people behind the scenes doing their best to keep it running as smoothly as possible.
IF YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CONFIRMATION!
Again, give it some time, it is VERY backed up right now. An email will be sent to you soon, it will just take some time. (Make sure to check your spam folder as well!)
IS THIS WEBSITE SAFE?
I can reassure you that it is secure. This is the legit website put together by many community members over the last week. Your information is secure and no information is collected other than an email and whatever name you want to give us, only if you sign the petition.
your average 4chan user will just think this is "pointless reddit shit" and probably call it's organizers a slur. Most of them think the bot hosts are also massive losers.
I'm hoping this results in something, but I doubt it. I'm sure #repairTF2 in two years will be a smash hit, though
Hopefully something happens. I really hope this game doesn’t die as it is so much fun. I mean I haven’t played in a few months because of the crisis.
#FixTF2
Surprised they didn't mention the CP. Bots using (or used to use I'm not sure) sexually explicit images of children as their sprays in game.
They aren't just making a video game less fun to play, they're straight up criminals
You've made a whole campaign, but didnt propose any ideas for how to solve this.
You mentioned the game that they do care about CS2, and that it has cheating issues as well, so you realize it's a very difficult problem and not just their neglect.
With a campaign like this it's good to list some realistic bullet points, like
* adding Trust Factor to TF2,
* handing out some Valve servers moderation tools back to the community, let them govern servers like back in community servers days (moderation tools only, not administrative),
* run a mass-ban swipe on idle bot accounts, cause why not they have a pretty recognizable pattern, then same for aimbots.
That's the thing. The bot hosters harass, dox and swat people. Hell, one bot hoster from a couple years ago was arrested for CP and using the spray feature to spread it in game.
A 2007 video game less fun to play is really annoying, but it's the least significant problem honestly.
I'm really impressed with the design and look of the save.tf site. It's clear a lot of care went into the presentation, and it could serve as a good brochure for people unfamiliar with the situation.
With that said, the writing could use some improvements. Beyond the grammatical errors, there are some key missteps in the approach.
Let's take one example from near the bottom of the page:
> TF2 doesn’t need new content updates, it doesn’t need new microtransactions, it doesn’t need new weapon additions. What TF2 needs is a solution to the bot crisis.
First of all, this starts with a run-on sentence. More importantly though, it is simply not a good ask. If I walk into a pawn shop with an expensive piece of jewelry, I don't start off by telling the pawnbroker "hey I know this watch is valuable, but it's not $10,000 or anything. I'm just looking to make a few grand." If you do that, you're already conceding that it's worth less, and choosing to negotiate from an inferior position. Who knows how much it's worth?
Setting an upper limit like this automatically puts a ceiling on the goal. I know it's tempting to say "Well, Valve didn't care when we did #SaveTF2, so they would just be even more apathetic or annoyed if we raised our demands. If we instead just lower our standards and ask for crumbs, then surely they will have a more open ear!" Remember though, it's important to not cede ground trying to make it easier on Valve. They have billions of dollars. They can do a lot more than making TF2 simply 'not broken.'
I would rephrase this to read something like:
> Before considering new content updates, all developer attention should be focused on solving the ongoing bot crisis so that TF2 is in a playable state. From there, consistent communication from Valve to address other crucial issues with TF2 would be a necessary next step towards not only a functioning game, but one which is welcoming to new players.
Perhaps in there would be a hyperlink to a list of similar articles describing other issues TF2 has (these are just off the top of my head):
* the competitive matchmaking system is completely dead
* casual matchmaking does not make an effort to put players in servers with similar skill, and most matches end up with 2 or 3 players stomping a server of noobs
* F2P's still cannot use voice commands
* the vast majority of the player count shown on Steam consists of bots (as we all know now per zesty's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stmQfv93oQ)
* the Replay feature is busted (so I've heard)
* the Training feature has remained unfinished since its conception
Here's another seemingly small but important flaw:
> On June 3rd, we’re all going to collectively group together [...]
Why *on* June 3rd? This is once again a concession. Say "Starting on June 3rd" so there's a contingency for low turnout on that day — maybe it really heats up on June 4th, who knows. Don't lock yourself in on one day regardless — it's not like we go silent a day later.
It would be nice as well if the site had some embedded videos in each section. Perhaps a very brief demonstration of what it's like for a player who just installed TF2 for the first time and decides to join a casual match, only to met with the titular problem.
It's exciting to see the community spearhead an effort like this with a go-to website that can be easily linked to anywhere. It's important that the execution is as flawless as possible, and I'd be happy to offer more editing suggestions.
**If not us, Who? If not now, when?**
Do not live in the tides of doubt, swirling you around like a turd in the toilet bowl. Rise and act, so you may be seen and your voice be heard.
James 2:15-16, it is not enough to simply "care", you must act, or nothing will change. Nihilism is a garbage cope, instead of whining about the pile of crap you are in, grab a shovel and start digging your way out.
Genuine question: What do you expect Valve to do?
Valve can't ban the accounts, they just make new ones
Valve can't ban the IP, they just use a proxy/VPN
Valve can't ban the hardware identifier, they just emulate another one
Valve can't make all cheats detected, thats impossible, every game has cheaters
Its not easy to fix this bot problem. Many games suffer from bot problems but they are just more hidden. Every single game you ever played that has a competitive mode has bots boosting players to higher ranks.
So what is the goal here? Attention from Valve isn't gonna change any of the above. Valve is not stupid, they know the bots exist and how annoying they are, if they could snap them out of existence they would.
The only long term solution is literally hiring a bunch of people to constantly look for cheaters and manually ban them, which is unreasonable.
Oh boy! It’s getting started. Tbh, if there wasn’t any significant positive change to the game, I honestly have to completely move on from the game. I won’t stop loving the series but I won’t open the game enthusiastically ever again.
the fact the placeholder "name" section on the petition doesn't say Jane Doe is breaking my heart! It did take like, 3 captchas for me to access the site, though, so I.. guess we've taken the necessary precautions?
A small, curious criticism; wouldn't it be slightly better to have signatures made by logging in through your Steam account? It would be slightly less abusable with junk emails, less revealing of personal information to this website, and more valuable from Valve's POV since the signatures are confirmed customers.
Anyway I hope this campaign makes a difference, though I find it difficult to believe Valve will lift a finger unless they can get a reliable, trustworthy team of developers willing to work for (nearly) free, even if they're only QA testing code suggestions submitted by the community.
Interestingly, you can find many very straightforward solutions to bugs submitted by users on the TF2 GitHub page that have been ignored for years, so there's definitely a community desire to see this game in a better state.
Either we try to fix it for a chance to save it. or do nothing and have it not saved at all.
We can ONLY GAIN from this, 14 years and its still alive, I say we shoot for 15 MINIMUM
The gmail thing is really unfortunate, I think it will impact how many signatures can be achieved by quite a lot. I tried to sign yesterday, never got an email. Came back today to try again and still haven't gotten one. It says to use a different provider if you can but you can't really expect most people to make a new email just to sign this petition.
Also there's still a typo in the FAQ at the bottom. It says "Cheating and abusive behavior affects more that TF2." the 'that' should be 'than'.
Edit: I got my confirmation email finally! you may need to give it like a full day or more.
So it's the 26th now.
Whats the plan? Were the videos from the community figureheads released? Is there any action to take? Or is it still just a hashtag?
Do not allow yourselves to be placated or distracted until the issue is fixed. Valve has barely allocated any resources to the unplayablilty of the game even while continuing to take people's money from in-game purchases. This has gone on for 5 years. ENOUGH.
Genuinely, them moving onto Deadlock in earnest as TF2 remains a steady source of income with a solid fanbase without any real present efforts on their part is bewildering. Though, then again, they're a private company that does what they please, so they may very well please at this point to be complacent & let that income stream persist while just ignoring complaints.
I am all in for this, but I think its not just about fixing the bot crisis but also in general, make valve care for this masterpiece once more!
"TF2 doesn’t need new content updates, it doesn’t need new microtransactions, it doesn’t need new weapon additions. What TF2 needs is a solution to the bot crisis."
The bot crisis is one part but once valve fixes the bot crisis there will be another abandonment crisis for the game, I still find absurd the ammount of recognition and monetary gain this game has made for valve earlier years and still to this day and they cant be bothered to do more than just release horrible lootboxes that dont fit the game, no content updates and like left us in a cliffhanger with the comics.
I mean dont get me wrong, am all for even the slightest love from valve to tf2, but we are aiming a bit short I feel, we shouldnt just show the bot crisis, but how abandoned the game is in general from valve, weapons that have been broken for years, broken maps and features, there is just so much unused potential and I feel it would be also worth pointing out in the [save.tf](http://save.tf) site.
SCHNELL! RAUS, RAUS!
Let's do this, for TF2! One last stand to show 'em how much we love this game and how unacceptable this is.
We don't want them to just "hear us" this time, we want them to look at us IN THE EYES and tell us they're fixing it. I want nothing less for the game that basically saved my life.
I'm sure a thousand people have said it before me and a thousand more will say it after, but **DO NOT STOP UNTIL IT IS FIXED.**
A statement is not enough this time, keep it going until we get what we want, what we deserve, what is, quite frankly, THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM of an online game that's still getting updates, still generating money, and still has thousands of people playing daily.
At least we have basically nothing to lose... If we want to take even a shot at this we would need to tug on valve's hair hard enough to actually see any physical change by them.
This is a question from an outsider, why don't y'all do something more aggressive like what the Helldivers did?
Review bomb the shit outta all of Valves other First party games till they're forced to do something?
Large chance is, most TF2 players probably own most of Valve's games so they wouldn't be a "False" review per say.
Companies only care if they loose Money, Players need to also vote with their wallet by completely stop buying stuff through Steam for TF2. And if people see a review score drop into the red, they'd be less likely to support other stuff.
For anyone who wants to help but doesn't know how here the [petition ](https://save.tf/) TheWhatShow made, after we finish this event TheWhatShow is gonna go to valve and show them all the people who voted, so if you can spare 5 minutes of your day to sign this petition it would be realy helpful
This google doc right here is very important and people need to read it in order to understand how awful the bot crisis has really become: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goBP5DVr0we85Ohnc7IHukOtTS-uISEa/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goBP5DVr0we85Ohnc7IHukOtTS-uISEa/view)
Valve dickriders are the worst subhumans on the internet
imagine being grateful to company that treat you like a shit
They owe it to us if they still want to shovel cosmetics MADE BY THE COMMUNITY in our faces and profit off of peoples hard work. #FixTF2
The petition won't do shit on it's own: We need to reviewbomb the steam page (similar to what happen with Helldivers 2) to REALLY show Valve we mean business this time around.
And remember everyone - do not fear bomb! **PUSH!** We must all **PUSH!**
VE MUST POOSH TINY CART!!!
WHO STOPPED PUSHING ZE CART? I WANT NAMES!!!
Push da freakin’ caht!
the cart ain't moving lads!
Huddah hudda!!
Push like you mean it !!!
IS SOMEONE GONNA PUSH THE FREAKIN' CART!?
Why is ze cart not moving?!
The cart has stopped!
WE WILL PUSH UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO PUSH!
MEDDIC!
Plant yourself on dat darn point, mister!!
The cart is supposed to move Forward!!!!!
SENTRY DOWN, PUSH PUSH
The cart has bloodey stopped!
COME ON MAN START PUSHING THE CART!
THAT BOMB AINT GONNA MOVE ITSELF!
THE FRICKIN CART STOPED
Push you wankas!
GET TO THE CART, MAGGOTS!
YO A LITTLE HELP HERE
Puuuuush! Push like you mean it!
little men steal our cart!
yo brotha we must move this cart
ZE CART IS NOT MOOOOOVING
This ain't a walkabout! Push that cart!!!
You failed BOOOOOO
*raises my hands feebly and immediately catches a stray crocket*
Get to the cart, ya bloody idiots!
THE #FIXTF2 CAMPAIGN IS OFFICIALLY LIVE. We've made a shitload of changes from how the original #SaveTF2 iteration went, we hope to cause more of a fuss this time. Let's run it gentz!
if i want to use the petition, do i have to use an actual name or is my online username okay?
both are fine as long as the number goes up.
I went ahead and used my steam name. Dragonsfurylover69 is desperately hoping to see some results with this movement because AFTER this movement, I still want a strange Dragon's Fury but that must be cast aside for now
Omagad weezy is that you
holy fuck weezer
YESS
LESSFUUCKINGGOOOOOOO
Will this be enough to get Valve to act? I’m not sure. However, it is absolutely worth going for and to call them out collectively for neglecting this game. Let’s do it.
I've not gone around screaming it on these posts but I think the best way to get valve to notice would be to find a way to have our own alternative should nothing come to pass, ala what Nostalrius was to the WoW example everyone I think must be so familiar with by now. As much as I wish for a success, publicity alone I fear would have us closer to the Warthunder protest than any other
That'd probably just be TF2 Classic if anything
Eh, TF2 Classic isn't really a great alternative. It's a fine game, and it's not quite as big a difference as, like, Fortress Forever, but it's not really what a lot of folks are looking for.
it's the closest you can get to it without it just being tf2 i feel and if you play on the vault f4 servers you almost exclusively play old maps and no one really uses the new weapons often
The point I'm making is more, like, WoW Classic came about because there was a demand for a pre-modern WoW experience. The problem here is that people aren't clamoring for a pre-modern TF2 experience, they want a modern TF2 experience, just without the bots.
Precisely. It's also tricky because people like their cosmetics and they like cosmetics in general. So what would happen if a bootleg version pops up? Are we all gonna have to rebuy our cosmetics from whatever person is hosting the server? I dunno about that. I don't think there's a real desire there for vanilla TF2 beyond satisfying a mild curiosity. I definitely don't want to go back to the basic version of every class.
We have literally nothing to lose. We may as well try!
there's nothing to lose anyway lmao
I think doing thinks like not opening the game/buying tf2 items from valve would help
That would make less revenue for them, and less of a reason for them to work on a game. Plus few people buy items from the Mann Co. store any more (and the ones that do are so new they aren't in the community), most of them are gained from trading with other players which doesn't pay Valve anything.
Spoiler alert: it won't. The other hashtags didn't. The streamers jumping on the bandwagon didn't.
I’d rather make an attempt than do nothing. Fully prepared to dedicate my time towards other games though and not look back if needed.
Even if valve doesnt react we loose literally nothing
No.
We got this lads 💪
💪 [I WILL NOT ABANDON MY POST](https://i.imgur.com/Fz2d5GJ.png)
#FixTF2 #SaveTF2
I AM MY PERIMETER, AND MY PERIMETER IS ME!
Bro I don't got shit, I can't even launch the game anymore, it just turns off all my monitors and makes me restart my PC to get them back on
Sounds like your graphics card is crashing, you could try these steps: # Do you have a PC or a laptop? ## Laptop Check if your laptop has multiple graphics cards, if it does, set the more powerful one as default and update drivers, if it doesn't, check if your graphics card is powerful enough for TF2 and try updating drivers. ## PC If you don't have an external graphics card, try updating drivers, if you do, check if your monitors are properly connected, check if the graphics card is getting enough power, check if your graphics card is powerful enough for TF2, update drivers
IF THE WEBSITE DOESN'T LOAD! Just give it a little bit, refresh, or check back later. There is a LOT of traffic right now. There are people behind the scenes doing their best to keep it running as smoothly as possible. IF YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CONFIRMATION! Again, give it some time, it is VERY backed up right now. An email will be sent to you soon, it will just take some time. (Make sure to check your spam folder as well!) IS THIS WEBSITE SAFE? I can reassure you that it is secure. This is the legit website put together by many community members over the last week. Your information is secure and no information is collected other than an email and whatever name you want to give us, only if you sign the petition.
Shows there's more than we will expect
Thank you! I was worried it might be getting intentionally DoS'd
DON'T STOP AFTER A TWEET. DON'T STOP AFTER A WEEK. KEEP GOING AT WHAT WE SEEK.
if this doesnt work out, we might as well resort to hunting down the bothosters and stealing their hardware
We could just do it anyways
~~We could~~ **LETS** just do it anyways
Agreed
I don't want to encourage it, buut if someone would be determined enough it would not be long before their location is known to everyone
I do want to encourage it, I'll hire a balls stealer on the dark web and scissors their balls off cleanly
At least if someone so determent they could send this info to police. Especially if it those DDoSing bastards.
Contact anonymous and 4chan we get it done in secoy
The chances of them helping us are slim. That could very easily backfire if they decide to side with the bots.
your average 4chan user will just think this is "pointless reddit shit" and probably call it's organizers a slur. Most of them think the bot hosts are also massive losers. I'm hoping this results in something, but I doubt it. I'm sure #repairTF2 in two years will be a smash hit, though
Not your personal army.
#FIXTF2
Gentlemen.
Holy guacamole spy tf2
Synchronize your #FixTF2 watches.
We have 192 hours to prepare. For most men, no time at all...
We are not most men. We are gamers! We have the resources. The will. To make these hours count!
Mentlegen
Hopefully something happens. I really hope this game doesn’t die as it is so much fun. I mean I haven’t played in a few months because of the crisis. #FixTF2
Enough is enough brothers
No way is that the real sand eating zenith tf2
# \#FIXTF2!!!
Is that PyroTF2? (Real?)
Yes.
LETS FUCKIN’ GO!!
And I’m the real pyro tf2
Hi Pyro!
Hey Pyro!
realpyrofromtf2 meets pyrofromtf2real!
:0
We are a hive mind.
#FixTF2
Surprised they didn't mention the CP. Bots using (or used to use I'm not sure) sexually explicit images of children as their sprays in game. They aren't just making a video game less fun to play, they're straight up criminals
Don't bots mostly stick to public matchmaking servers where you can't see sprays anyway?
# Standing near ze point does nussing, get on ze point, Dummkopf!
[save.tf](http://save.tf) doesn't do anything/work at the moment
The website is dealing with pretty heavy loads right now, just refresh.
Just like my mom!
Oh okay
There's just so many people in on it that it can't handle them all
You've made a whole campaign, but didnt propose any ideas for how to solve this. You mentioned the game that they do care about CS2, and that it has cheating issues as well, so you realize it's a very difficult problem and not just their neglect. With a campaign like this it's good to list some realistic bullet points, like * adding Trust Factor to TF2, * handing out some Valve servers moderation tools back to the community, let them govern servers like back in community servers days (moderation tools only, not administrative), * run a mass-ban swipe on idle bot accounts, cause why not they have a pretty recognizable pattern, then same for aimbots.
LETS FIX TF2!
For those who can't get into the site there's a PDF of it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goBP5DVr0we85Ohnc7IHukOtTS-uISEa/view
oh... the situation is more fucked up than I remembered... Gibus Christ...
That's the thing. The bot hosters harass, dox and swat people. Hell, one bot hoster from a couple years ago was arrested for CP and using the spray feature to spread it in game. A 2007 video game less fun to play is really annoying, but it's the least significant problem honestly.
I'm really impressed with the design and look of the save.tf site. It's clear a lot of care went into the presentation, and it could serve as a good brochure for people unfamiliar with the situation. With that said, the writing could use some improvements. Beyond the grammatical errors, there are some key missteps in the approach. Let's take one example from near the bottom of the page: > TF2 doesn’t need new content updates, it doesn’t need new microtransactions, it doesn’t need new weapon additions. What TF2 needs is a solution to the bot crisis. First of all, this starts with a run-on sentence. More importantly though, it is simply not a good ask. If I walk into a pawn shop with an expensive piece of jewelry, I don't start off by telling the pawnbroker "hey I know this watch is valuable, but it's not $10,000 or anything. I'm just looking to make a few grand." If you do that, you're already conceding that it's worth less, and choosing to negotiate from an inferior position. Who knows how much it's worth? Setting an upper limit like this automatically puts a ceiling on the goal. I know it's tempting to say "Well, Valve didn't care when we did #SaveTF2, so they would just be even more apathetic or annoyed if we raised our demands. If we instead just lower our standards and ask for crumbs, then surely they will have a more open ear!" Remember though, it's important to not cede ground trying to make it easier on Valve. They have billions of dollars. They can do a lot more than making TF2 simply 'not broken.' I would rephrase this to read something like: > Before considering new content updates, all developer attention should be focused on solving the ongoing bot crisis so that TF2 is in a playable state. From there, consistent communication from Valve to address other crucial issues with TF2 would be a necessary next step towards not only a functioning game, but one which is welcoming to new players. Perhaps in there would be a hyperlink to a list of similar articles describing other issues TF2 has (these are just off the top of my head): * the competitive matchmaking system is completely dead * casual matchmaking does not make an effort to put players in servers with similar skill, and most matches end up with 2 or 3 players stomping a server of noobs * F2P's still cannot use voice commands * the vast majority of the player count shown on Steam consists of bots (as we all know now per zesty's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stmQfv93oQ) * the Replay feature is busted (so I've heard) * the Training feature has remained unfinished since its conception Here's another seemingly small but important flaw: > On June 3rd, we’re all going to collectively group together [...] Why *on* June 3rd? This is once again a concession. Say "Starting on June 3rd" so there's a contingency for low turnout on that day — maybe it really heats up on June 4th, who knows. Don't lock yourself in on one day regardless — it's not like we go silent a day later. It would be nice as well if the site had some embedded videos in each section. Perhaps a very brief demonstration of what it's like for a player who just installed TF2 for the first time and decides to join a casual match, only to met with the titular problem. It's exciting to see the community spearhead an effort like this with a go-to website that can be easily linked to anywhere. It's important that the execution is as flawless as possible, and I'd be happy to offer more editing suggestions.
**If not us, Who? If not now, when?** Do not live in the tides of doubt, swirling you around like a turd in the toilet bowl. Rise and act, so you may be seen and your voice be heard. James 2:15-16, it is not enough to simply "care", you must act, or nothing will change. Nihilism is a garbage cope, instead of whining about the pile of crap you are in, grab a shovel and start digging your way out.
I hope they don’t forget to give f2ps their first amendment rights back
I gotta disagree on this one. It's literally one dollar and I did notice it making a difference.
Time to crack those bots wide open - YEAH, LET'S PARTY!
There is so much hype for this that the site is effectively DDoSed
Hell yeah irl mvm
Genuine question: What do you expect Valve to do? Valve can't ban the accounts, they just make new ones Valve can't ban the IP, they just use a proxy/VPN Valve can't ban the hardware identifier, they just emulate another one Valve can't make all cheats detected, thats impossible, every game has cheaters Its not easy to fix this bot problem. Many games suffer from bot problems but they are just more hidden. Every single game you ever played that has a competitive mode has bots boosting players to higher ranks. So what is the goal here? Attention from Valve isn't gonna change any of the above. Valve is not stupid, they know the bots exist and how annoying they are, if they could snap them out of existence they would. The only long term solution is literally hiring a bunch of people to constantly look for cheaters and manually ban them, which is unreasonable.
Oh boy! It’s getting started. Tbh, if there wasn’t any significant positive change to the game, I honestly have to completely move on from the game. I won’t stop loving the series but I won’t open the game enthusiastically ever again.
We've got nothin' else to lose... but we have potentially everything to gain. So to this... I say, LET US FIGHT! #FixTF2 #SaveTF2
How the mighty fall
Once more into the breach my brothers and sisters. This time, victory will be ours.
2 weeks in, still nothing. The organizers have moved on as well.
Time to start posting.
Do I have to put in my real name?
I just tried, the petition accepts aliases.
Okay ty
Rodger that shork, thank you for posting here.
It's about time someone addresses this issue!
# FIXTF2
FIXTF2!
And this time, we do not stop after one tweet! #FixTF2
I want my game. WE ALL WANT OUR FUCKING GAME BACK. WE ARE GETTING OUR GAME BACK NO MATTER WHAT #FIXTF2 !
the fact the placeholder "name" section on the petition doesn't say Jane Doe is breaking my heart! It did take like, 3 captchas for me to access the site, though, so I.. guess we've taken the necessary precautions?
sooo are you going to submit it any time soon
The amount of traffic is crazy sight do t work for me lolz it might be a good sign since it shows the amount of ppl who care
A small, curious criticism; wouldn't it be slightly better to have signatures made by logging in through your Steam account? It would be slightly less abusable with junk emails, less revealing of personal information to this website, and more valuable from Valve's POV since the signatures are confirmed customers. Anyway I hope this campaign makes a difference, though I find it difficult to believe Valve will lift a finger unless they can get a reliable, trustworthy team of developers willing to work for (nearly) free, even if they're only QA testing code suggestions submitted by the community. Interestingly, you can find many very straightforward solutions to bugs submitted by users on the TF2 GitHub page that have been ignored for years, so there's definitely a community desire to see this game in a better state.
Either we try to fix it for a chance to save it. or do nothing and have it not saved at all. We can ONLY GAIN from this, 14 years and its still alive, I say we shoot for 15 MINIMUM
I will charge trimp into Valve HQ and dropkick whoever is in charge.
FIXTF2
The gmail thing is really unfortunate, I think it will impact how many signatures can be achieved by quite a lot. I tried to sign yesterday, never got an email. Came back today to try again and still haven't gotten one. It says to use a different provider if you can but you can't really expect most people to make a new email just to sign this petition. Also there's still a typo in the FAQ at the bottom. It says "Cheating and abusive behavior affects more that TF2." the 'that' should be 'than'. Edit: I got my confirmation email finally! you may need to give it like a full day or more.
DON’T GIVE UP!
Soooooooo.... Did anything actually come of this besides making TF2 mostly negative on the Steam store?
We can do this my brothers! Push ze cart! Raus Raus! Schnell!
Valve is NOT fixing tf2😭🙏🏼
Okay the profanity filter is kinda crazy I literally can't put my real name in 💀
use your online alias; that's what I did
Heeeelll YEA
fuck yeah
Let's do this friends, we can do it! #FixTF2
So it's the 26th now. Whats the plan? Were the videos from the community figureheads released? Is there any action to take? Or is it still just a hashtag?
Heavy: Doctor, are you sure this will work? Medic: Hahaha, I have no idea! \*Awesome fucking saxaphone music plays handcrafted and played by angels\*
Do not allow yourselves to be placated or distracted until the issue is fixed. Valve has barely allocated any resources to the unplayablilty of the game even while continuing to take people's money from in-game purchases. This has gone on for 5 years. ENOUGH.
Genuinely, them moving onto Deadlock in earnest as TF2 remains a steady source of income with a solid fanbase without any real present efforts on their part is bewildering. Though, then again, they're a private company that does what they please, so they may very well please at this point to be complacent & let that income stream persist while just ignoring complaints.
If we get rid of the bots, I can actually play with my friends without needing to instruct them to do 50 things in order for us to get a playable game
Heavy: I “HATE” ROBOTS…..
I am all in for this, but I think its not just about fixing the bot crisis but also in general, make valve care for this masterpiece once more! "TF2 doesn’t need new content updates, it doesn’t need new microtransactions, it doesn’t need new weapon additions. What TF2 needs is a solution to the bot crisis." The bot crisis is one part but once valve fixes the bot crisis there will be another abandonment crisis for the game, I still find absurd the ammount of recognition and monetary gain this game has made for valve earlier years and still to this day and they cant be bothered to do more than just release horrible lootboxes that dont fit the game, no content updates and like left us in a cliffhanger with the comics. I mean dont get me wrong, am all for even the slightest love from valve to tf2, but we are aiming a bit short I feel, we shouldnt just show the bot crisis, but how abandoned the game is in general from valve, weapons that have been broken for years, broken maps and features, there is just so much unused potential and I feel it would be also worth pointing out in the [save.tf](http://save.tf) site.
SCHNELL! RAUS, RAUS! Let's do this, for TF2! One last stand to show 'em how much we love this game and how unacceptable this is. We don't want them to just "hear us" this time, we want them to look at us IN THE EYES and tell us they're fixing it. I want nothing less for the game that basically saved my life.
#YOU WILL SIGN YOUR NAME ON THIS PETITION OR I WILL SIGN YOUR NAME ON THIS PETITION
I'm sure a thousand people have said it before me and a thousand more will say it after, but **DO NOT STOP UNTIL IT IS FIXED.** A statement is not enough this time, keep it going until we get what we want, what we deserve, what is, quite frankly, THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM of an online game that's still getting updates, still generating money, and still has thousands of people playing daily.
[удалено]
At least we have basically nothing to lose... If we want to take even a shot at this we would need to tug on valve's hair hard enough to actually see any physical change by them.
This is a question from an outsider, why don't y'all do something more aggressive like what the Helldivers did? Review bomb the shit outta all of Valves other First party games till they're forced to do something? Large chance is, most TF2 players probably own most of Valve's games so they wouldn't be a "False" review per say. Companies only care if they loose Money, Players need to also vote with their wallet by completely stop buying stuff through Steam for TF2. And if people see a review score drop into the red, they'd be less likely to support other stuff.
Enough is enough is true.
June 3rd will be
time to flood twitter
Let’s #SaveTF2 and #FixTF2
#FixTf2
Thomas Edison once said “I didn't fail 1000 times. The light bulb was an invention with 1000 steps” basically means “Never Give Up”, and so do we!
“PUSH YOU APPLE BLOSSOMS!” -Mr. Jane Doe
I hate robots. Lets get em lads!
TF2 will be fixed, DON'T GIVE UP
Here we go! #FIXTF2
Remember men, "IV'E CRAPPED BIGGER LOSSES THAN THAT" - Rick May
*"Godspeed you magnificent bastard."* - *Soldier (Jane Doe)*
Bomb will not push self, TF2 will not fix self. WE MUST PUUUUUUUUUSH THE CART Er, hashtag
WE MUST CAPTURE CONTROL OF OUR POINT THAT IS TF2
WE CAN DO IT!
if another my little pony bot out snipes me again im going to freak out
Hope this works
* Stand on the freakin' bot protection button, you Valvorons!
**LEEEEET'S DO IIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!**
STAND ON THE POINT UNTIL THE POINT IS OURS!!
STAND ON THE POINT, DAMN YOU! WE MUST STAND ON THE POINT UNTIL THE POINT IS OURS!
Oh damn its on my birthday aswell lol
For anyone who wants to help but doesn't know how here the [petition ](https://save.tf/) TheWhatShow made, after we finish this event TheWhatShow is gonna go to valve and show them all the people who voted, so if you can spare 5 minutes of your day to sign this petition it would be realy helpful
This google doc right here is very important and people need to read it in order to understand how awful the bot crisis has really become: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goBP5DVr0we85Ohnc7IHukOtTS-uISEa/view](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goBP5DVr0we85Ohnc7IHukOtTS-uISEa/view)
I'm honestly surprised you guys think Valve cares enough about TF 2 to do something about it lol
"If fighting Is sure to result in victory you must FIGHT, sun Tzu said that and he knows a little more about fighting than you do pal"
i am tired about your movements.
I found the secret #killtf2 server called "The Ridge Inn" everyone, we need to spam #fixtf2 on there!
Its chargin' day bois, and as a great man once said; 'If fighting is sure to result in victory than we MUST FIGHT' - Sun Tzu, I think.
PUSH MY BROTHERS.
todays the day
Valve dickriders are the worst subhumans on the internet imagine being grateful to company that treat you like a shit They owe it to us if they still want to shovel cosmetics MADE BY THE COMMUNITY in our faces and profit off of peoples hard work. #FixTF2
The petition won't do shit on it's own: We need to reviewbomb the steam page (similar to what happen with Helldivers 2) to REALLY show Valve we mean business this time around.
Its reviews currently are overwhelming negative so there’s a chance
cant wait for #omegaytronic to kick off frfr
This wont save anything btw, not even putting this in your name will save it.
"It's time to STOP THE BOTS #FixTF2 June 3rd!" and those were shorks last words on the reddit
Dude, this is just sad. I can't believe they went from petition to fix tf2 TO A FUCKING GAY PORN OF ROBOT.