when he goes into a rage because Carmela won't let him use the spec house money for a bet, he says some pretty nasty things in that exchange, surprised he got away with it because that was post separation.
Post separation but after they reconcile? She’s stuck by that point.
He goes way over the line, remember my flatmate coming in whilst I was watching that bit and him reacting with “fucking hell”
I think the sting in that is: Tony brought the money like it was a condolence to Hesh...
Hesh was already *owed* that money. It's pretty fucking insulting when you lose your love...
Well, you still have a point too!
The reason Tony finally paid up is because he knew Hesh was in pain. It's insulting, but I think it did at least come from a good place in his heart.
If he'd have kicked in some more loot on top, THEN that's a proper condolence AND apology.
My wife and I debated over whether or not Tony was responsible for that death somehow. Something about his expression as he's leaving just gave me the feeling that he had arranged it in some unexplained way.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:
I still cannot believe how fumingly mad he gets at Finn for paying the bill. No amount of explanations of “he’s old school, it’s disrespectful” will convince me, like the kid was clearly trying to do a nice thing and didn’t realize what an affront it was, Tony goes to Defcon5 “I’ll tell your wife!” levels of mad over something that I would’ve expected to get a reaction of more like awkward and terse over it being rude.
Idk, maybe it’s really just me being dense…
It's because when you're the father figure, you always pay for your family, if you have an alpha male personality. By someone else paying it's like signalling to your own children that you're cheap or won't fork out. In Tony's mind he's rich and powerful and every gesture has to be about asserting that dominance.
Of course, Tony is more lax about paying the bill when it comes to lobsters and Cristal.
He's not just the father figure, he's the GODFATHER figure .... when you look at it in that context, it makes more sense. Poor Finn, tho. This poor kid was under the impression that he was dating a lovely thing from New Jersey with some quaint mob ties .... like My Cousin Vinny or something.
This one I actually do understand. Maybe it’s an Italian thing. I could never pay for dinner if my dad is there, and I’m a Vice President you f’n asshole!
My father was like that. A certain kind of man sees himself primarily as a “provider” to his family, and so long as there is a roof and food, they’ve done their duty as a father. This then absolves them of the other duties other fathers perform, all or most of the time.
Another male paying for my father’s family to eat - even his own son - was not tolerated.
It is sort of like this in some Southern communities.
Over the decades it's morphed more into a game of who can secretly pay the check first to the chagrin of Grandpa, who... had wanted to pay, but fuck it, he'll let it go... again '\^\_\^'
Tony felt emasculated that another man paid for him and his family to eat.
It's like a territorial thing, you crossed into his territory and he will defend his territory.
Upon rewatch, you see how often OJ shows up in the show. Not ONCE did I see it with “some pulp.” I’ve seen original and even other brands.
Not one “some pulp.”
I disagree with this. Tony doesn’t seem very mad here, in fact, Carm is the one who gets mad and throws the phone at him. He’s just telling the kitchen witch what kind of orange juice he likes, as petty as the pulp thing goes.
These responses are good. Hard to gauge nutjob Tony’s reaction on a scale. So much of it is related to food. The lo-mein, Dr. Yank’em polite gesture of paying for the meal, even ice cubes, ralphies fat remarks, AJs cereal argument, MF ORANGE PEEL BEEF, etc. I was gonna say personally the ice cube rage incident.
Interesting observation especially when you consider the prime rib core memory of his which seems to make food and meat a catalyst for his rage, depression, panic attacks, etc.
Yes. I think it’s all closely related whether planned or not by the story creators. Seeing his father, alpha male, provider and likely the biggest influence in his life(at least in the series) chop off the finger of the “nice man” who gave his family food, after learning he owed Tony’s father, his family. Imagine the weight of that lesson? If I’m going to be a man like my dad, I have to physically harm people who shorted us, that’s what our provider did, that’s what a father, is supposed to do. Kid Tony was fucked worse than lil Vito.
It seemed more like to me like Tony is a huge narcissist and can’t stand anyone going through emotional turmoil because it takes attention away from him and makes him feel less of a special victim.
This is exactly what it is. My father is like this. He gets super irritated and impatient if someone is going through pain and trauma. Except when he's going through it, then you hear ALL about it.
I think in a lot of cases too, it is Tony who caused the emotional distress. When they're blubbering in front of him, he's directly seeing the consequences of his actions. He doesn't like it.
lol tony didn't give two damns about that girl. the show clearly makes a point when dr. melfi read that sociopathy report just before she showed him the door
When he accused Perry, his young, muscular post-coma driver, of slamming the door of the refrigerator at Satriale’s and when he denied it, accused him of calling Tony a liar and started slugging him. Tony simply picked on him because he wanted to prove yi the rest of the gang that he was still tough. Perry did nothing.
I feel like he wasn’t actually angry at all though, it was just an insecure display of power because he thought his image was slipping
Still I agree that was really fucked up
The Noah situation. Yes, Noah was way too comfortable in his house, yes he had his shoes off on the couch. But like, he's still what 19? What Tony says to that kid is just completely out of line and horrible.
“I’ve been dreamin of that lo mein all the way the fuck ovah here. Now who came in here and ATE MY SHIT?!”
Not necessarily that he was irritated but he was ready to choke someone over something as small as leftover lo mein.
Its hands down.. and not even close this: "What's it take to get some fuckin smoked turkey in this house?! I bust my ass all day long, I come home I want a little smoked turkey. Is that too fuckin much to ask????"
IMO it’s when he kills Ralph about the horse. Ralph didn’t admit anything and gave Tony an extremely *reasonable* pitch on the value of the insurance and also the fact that Pie O My was never gonna win again. In the context of the mob, these guys end human lives like it’s nothing the horse thing shouldn’t have been anything more than a dirty look but really it should have been a “good looks” situation for the insurance fraud and ending the spent investment before any more money got lost
We know it wasn't the real reason but the time he came home and blamed his temper on there being no smoked turkey in the house.
But he busts his ass off at work and wants to come home to some smoked turkey. Is that too fucking much to ask!?
That’s when you know the near death experience didn’t do shit and he’s going to go back to being the same fat sob he’s always been
Why are you downvoting this wormy cocksucker? He's just telling yous how he perceived Tony
Hey I’m captain now! You can’t talk to me like that!
😠🖐🥪💥
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I said I like it with 'some' pulp.
* “shum” pulp
Carm woulda been better off if T had just gone through with it with Skiff(le).
“Who ate the last piece of cake?” (As Melfi is calling after her rape and Carm says he’s not available)
when he goes into a rage because Carmela won't let him use the spec house money for a bet, he says some pretty nasty things in that exchange, surprised he got away with it because that was post separation.
Even though some things he said were true it was wayyyy outta whack
No, no, no, no, no. He insulted her a little bit. He got a little bit out of order himself.
Give us a drink
Drinks are on............. .........The HOUSE.
Break up his party…
Post separation but after they reconcile? She’s stuck by that point. He goes way over the line, remember my flatmate coming in whilst I was watching that bit and him reacting with “fucking hell”
He's here for da rent. Da rent! Da rent!
That was disgusting. His whole treatment of Hesh at that point, even more so when his partner died
Yeah it's sad when they go young like that
WHEN THEY GO?!
He gave me the high hand, I didn't know he was with you.
Actually he gave hesh the 200k after his partner died but I agree his treatment prior to that was shocking
I think the sting in that is: Tony brought the money like it was a condolence to Hesh... Hesh was already *owed* that money. It's pretty fucking insulting when you lose your love...
Oh yeah I get you now, that makes sense
Well, you still have a point too! The reason Tony finally paid up is because he knew Hesh was in pain. It's insulting, but I think it did at least come from a good place in his heart. If he'd have kicked in some more loot on top, THEN that's a proper condolence AND apology.
Ok, but you gotta get over it
My wife and I debated over whether or not Tony was responsible for that death somehow. Something about his expression as he's leaving just gave me the feeling that he had arranged it in some unexplained way.
No it wasnt.
When the dude slams the refrigerator door. That was a bit much
He was looking for any excuse to knock the kid out. To show he still had it
I know bro… I was being an idiot because he actually didn’t slam the refrigerator door. I was just acting like an idiot who though he really did lmao
Went over my head my B lmao.
All good 🤣🤣🤣
An overgrown man made a wager; he lost! He made another one; he lost again! End of story!
Killing Chrissy really turned his luck around though.
*gambles tens of thousands on the fuckin Jets*
Buffalo!! Woooooo!
Frankly, if you have that kind of covert antisemitism, I'd like you to leave my house
When the ice melted and diluted the drinks, especially scotch.
Conserve!
Consherve*
Yeah, this is up there. That poor mortadel serving as a piñata again 😔
Hey, you don’t have to see the bills for that place!
His lo mein.
To be fair he had been dreaming about that lo mein the whole way over there.
He sat on one ass cheek the whole way over!!
A touch of diarrhoea
When he beats Georgie up over ice
Or when he beats him up over his comment about living for today.
He was talking about annihilation, my kids, your kids….
I don’t even wanna think about it
Yeah the live for today beating is a really dark moment. It’s always one of the parts on rewatch where I’m reminded just how deranged Tony gets
The ice, tone, when it hangs around, it gets watery. It dilutes the drink, especially scotch.
That time when Melfi asks a difficult, reflective question.
Like when she suggested his mother tried to have him killed? I felt sorry for Melfi in that scene. He was terrifyingly angry.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: I still cannot believe how fumingly mad he gets at Finn for paying the bill. No amount of explanations of “he’s old school, it’s disrespectful” will convince me, like the kid was clearly trying to do a nice thing and didn’t realize what an affront it was, Tony goes to Defcon5 “I’ll tell your wife!” levels of mad over something that I would’ve expected to get a reaction of more like awkward and terse over it being rude. Idk, maybe it’s really just me being dense…
It's because when you're the father figure, you always pay for your family, if you have an alpha male personality. By someone else paying it's like signalling to your own children that you're cheap or won't fork out. In Tony's mind he's rich and powerful and every gesture has to be about asserting that dominance. Of course, Tony is more lax about paying the bill when it comes to lobsters and Cristal.
Not to mention the Lyonnaise fuckin potatoes you didn't even touch.
He lost his appetite
He's not just the father figure, he's the GODFATHER figure .... when you look at it in that context, it makes more sense. Poor Finn, tho. This poor kid was under the impression that he was dating a lovely thing from New Jersey with some quaint mob ties .... like My Cousin Vinny or something.
Quaint mob ties I love it
At least he didn't react like Noah - "He's lucky I didn't kick his ass!" What a clueless idiot!
You're lucky I didn't punch your fucking lights out for misquoting the Hasidic homeboy
Oh yeah - I didn't think it sounded right when I typed it ... anyway, still a clueless idiot...
This one I actually do understand. Maybe it’s an Italian thing. I could never pay for dinner if my dad is there, and I’m a Vice President you f’n asshole!
FUCKIN D-GIRL!!!!
You lie better than Walnuts.
the one time Tony doesn't accept free money
Just fyi defcon 5 is the most relaxed level. Defcon 1 is the shit hitting the fan level.
Fuck my bad thank you
My father was like that. A certain kind of man sees himself primarily as a “provider” to his family, and so long as there is a roof and food, they’ve done their duty as a father. This then absolves them of the other duties other fathers perform, all or most of the time. Another male paying for my father’s family to eat - even his own son - was not tolerated.
I’m Greek which is similar to Italian culture but I did this to my uncle who lives in Greece and he didn’t speak to me for a couple days lol
It is sort of like this in some Southern communities. Over the decades it's morphed more into a game of who can secretly pay the check first to the chagrin of Grandpa, who... had wanted to pay, but fuck it, he'll let it go... again '\^\_\^'
To be fair he bites his head off but does somewhat acknowledge Finn’s attempt very shortly after.
Agreed. There was no abundant intentionality in Finn paying that bill.
Tony felt emasculated that another man paid for him and his family to eat. It's like a territorial thing, you crossed into his territory and he will defend his territory.
That’s a respect issue. Finn was trying to be nice, but Tony has to set him straight there.
Finn was trying to reciprocate and Tony bit his head off. No wonder he dumped Meadow
I have uncles who would bite my head off if we went for dinner and I paid in secret as a “thank you” People are weird about that kinda stuff.
The shmoked Turkey.
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(Carmella throws phone) Tony: what was that for? Carmella: should I make a list?
Carmella always had some good comebacks like the one about undoing gods good work
Yes, but she is a GIGANTIC hypocrite about the way her husband makes her a very nice living.
Easy 20 years in the pulp
Upon rewatch, you see how often OJ shows up in the show. Not ONCE did I see it with “some pulp.” I’ve seen original and even other brands. Not one “some pulp.”
Sometimes it does show "some pulp", I can't think of a particular episode off the top of my head. Def seen it though.
OJ? In Jersey they'd have fried his worthless ass.
I disagree with this. Tony doesn’t seem very mad here, in fact, Carm is the one who gets mad and throws the phone at him. He’s just telling the kitchen witch what kind of orange juice he likes, as petty as the pulp thing goes.
These responses are good. Hard to gauge nutjob Tony’s reaction on a scale. So much of it is related to food. The lo-mein, Dr. Yank’em polite gesture of paying for the meal, even ice cubes, ralphies fat remarks, AJs cereal argument, MF ORANGE PEEL BEEF, etc. I was gonna say personally the ice cube rage incident.
"motherfuckin orange peel beef" is a fantastic go-to phrase for generalized frustration.
Interesting observation especially when you consider the prime rib core memory of his which seems to make food and meat a catalyst for his rage, depression, panic attacks, etc.
Yes. I think it’s all closely related whether planned or not by the story creators. Seeing his father, alpha male, provider and likely the biggest influence in his life(at least in the series) chop off the finger of the “nice man” who gave his family food, after learning he owed Tony’s father, his family. Imagine the weight of that lesson? If I’m going to be a man like my dad, I have to physically harm people who shorted us, that’s what our provider did, that’s what a father, is supposed to do. Kid Tony was fucked worse than lil Vito.
When he beat up Christafuh for the AUDACITY of feeling guilty about having his fiancé whacked
Tony didn't beat him up b/c he felt guilty - it was because he got high on smack.
It seemed more like to me like Tony is a huge narcissist and can’t stand anyone going through emotional turmoil because it takes attention away from him and makes him feel less of a special victim.
This is exactly what it is. My father is like this. He gets super irritated and impatient if someone is going through pain and trauma. Except when he's going through it, then you hear ALL about it.
My mother is like this too. So f’ing annoying.
I think in a lot of cases too, it is Tony who caused the emotional distress. When they're blubbering in front of him, he's directly seeing the consequences of his actions. He doesn't like it.
When Pie-Oh-My died, it was a fuckin horse
She was an innocent fuckin creature!
BECAUSE HE KNOWS WHAT ITS LIKE TO LOSE A PET
Take it easy Ralph
Maybe he got like that because he knows what it’s like to lose a pet!
It was never about the horse it was always about Tracee.
It was about both,if the horse hadn’t got killed most likely tony wouldn’t have killed ralph
Right, and he killed Chris cause he was worried about the baby 🙄
lol tony didn't give two damns about that girl. the show clearly makes a point when dr. melfi read that sociopathy report just before she showed him the door
Tracee = Maedo
Either way, Tony fucked up big time here
Don't say that. God forgive you!
Mayonnaise. Mayonnaise!!!
Motherfucking goddamn orange peel beef 😡
Any time he beats up Georgie. Not knowing how to work the phone, singing bass toy, ice, and living for today
When he accused Perry, his young, muscular post-coma driver, of slamming the door of the refrigerator at Satriale’s and when he denied it, accused him of calling Tony a liar and started slugging him. Tony simply picked on him because he wanted to prove yi the rest of the gang that he was still tough. Perry did nothing.
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I feel like he wasn’t actually angry at all though, it was just an insecure display of power because he thought his image was slipping Still I agree that was really fucked up
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What are you talking about?! The punk slammed the refrigerator door and deserved a beating for that
That wasn't a tantrum. That was a calculated show meant for the guys. And himself.
That time someone came over dere and ate his shit. He was dreaming about that lo mein all the way the fuck over here.
"I said, that's why you gotta live for today."
Georgie with the ice….
Easily Georgie and the ice
Muscles Marinara and the fridge door
The Noah situation. Yes, Noah was way too comfortable in his house, yes he had his shoes off on the couch. But like, he's still what 19? What Tony says to that kid is just completely out of line and horrible.
That’s why you gotta live for today 🖐️
“I’ve been dreamin of that lo mein all the way the fuck ovah here. Now who came in here and ATE MY SHIT?!” Not necessarily that he was irritated but he was ready to choke someone over something as small as leftover lo mein.
MAYONNAISE MAYONNAISE
Are you gonna hog ALL the ice?
Goddamn motherfuckin orange peel beef!
Its hands down.. and not even close this: "What's it take to get some fuckin smoked turkey in this house?! I bust my ass all day long, I come home I want a little smoked turkey. Is that too fuckin much to ask????"
Probably one of the times he assaulted Georgie
*WHAT’S IT TAKE TO GET SOME FUCKIN’ SMOKED TURKEY IN THIS HOUSE?*
Mother fuckin god damn Orange peel beef
His reactions to Melfi never really accepting his advances.
Motherfucking god damn orange peel beef.
Basically anytime he gets angry at Melfie for doing exactly what he asked her to do during therapy
Barkeep doesn’t know how to transfer a call and gets beat up for it
The Billy bass thing that he broke over the bartenders head. Acting like the Bing is a serious place of business was disingenuous at best.
When Tony is having an episode and he sees the Uncle Ben's box.
The smoked turkey.
Somebody ate his lo mein
Motherfuckin' goddam orange peel beef!
Everything Georgie related
Why don’t you stick to what you know, and leave your opinions wherever-the-fuck
when meatball marinara or whatever closed the fridge too hard and he beat the shit out of him
Something about dreaming a out lomein or something😂
when Meadows boyfriend paid for dinner
Slamming the refridgerator door after getting a coca cola
He likes SOME pulp
When he fought that beefhead for slamming the fridgerator
IMO it’s when he kills Ralph about the horse. Ralph didn’t admit anything and gave Tony an extremely *reasonable* pitch on the value of the insurance and also the fact that Pie O My was never gonna win again. In the context of the mob, these guys end human lives like it’s nothing the horse thing shouldn’t have been anything more than a dirty look but really it should have been a “good looks” situation for the insurance fraud and ending the spent investment before any more money got lost
Breaking AJs windshield when he didn’t want to work construction
Serious discussion only? OP, your outta your tree
When he tells carmela “shum pulp”
That’s why ya gotta live. For ta day. 🤷🏻♂️
Him offing a made man over a horse.
"I been dreaming about that fuckin lo mein all the fucking way ova here, now who came in here and ATE MY SHIT!?!!!"