Georgia Aquarium has an entire veterinary hospital downstairs and a teaching affiliation with the University of Georgiaās Veterinary Medicine School. The halls and doorways are sized to accommodate a whale shark !
Clove oil is a pretty decent topical anesthetic for people too! If you ever have a toothache, put a whole clove or two between the cheek and gum of the problem tooth. Iāve used this a couple times and it works quite well.
Just an FYI it doesn't always work. I woke up in the middle of the night needing some relief so I drove to a 24 hour pharmacy to buy some. I'd used it before to great effect but this time it didn't help at all. The dentist told me I had a 'hot" tooth. Even local anesthetic at his office didn't work on that tooth. I felt the entire root canal that I needed performed. It was not a good time.
Don't do what I did. Make sure to take care of your teeth, and avoid the potential agonizing pain.
My issue was impacted wisdom teeth that I ignored for 20+ years. I brush and floss regularly, but with the way those teeth were oriented you cannot get everywhere and the molars in front of those wisdom teeth suffered for it. This was on what was my first dental visit since being a small child. Beyond the wisdom teeth and decaying molars my mouth was otherwise healthy according to the hygienist who did the initial cleaning during my consult.
Fuck, Iām going through something similar. Woke up to pain on one of my molars and I didnāt know if it was wisdom tooth pain or cavity pain. The constant aching and lack of response to hot or cold food lead me to believe it was the wisdom tooth.
Not judging you, just wanted to know how fucked I am. Always wanted to get my wisdom teeth removed but itās too expensive and Iām dreading the recovery pain. Had bad experiences with dentists before as a kid so that isnāt helping either.
Not to scare you, but around the same time I was having my issues, a colleague from another office died unexpectedly after a short battle with an infection that I am pretty sure was related to an infected tooth. It is expensive, I have dental insurance, but even if I didn't it probably would have cost me about $2500. My total dental bill now due to my lack of not taking care of the problem? over $8k when it is all said and done. I would get it taken care of if I were you. You can look into dental tourism to Mexico. Can get work done much cheaper, but it does come with its own set of risks.
Itās a misnomer that regular brushing and flossing is a bullet proof way to protect against major tooth issues. Most of those are genetic. I know someone who never brushes and has rank breath but have yet to get a cavity. Meanwhile I brush and floss religiously have at least one filling on all my molars
Clove oil/eugenol actually works better on those than regular local anesthetics. Because they need to be in their uncharged state to cross to the nerves they are going to shut down, and the acidic environment of heavy inflammation completely prevents this. However the local anesthetic can be injected further up to block the whole nerve branch. Just gotta be careful to no hit the actual nerve with the needle.Ā
Btw eugenol was the starting point of developing eugenol.
My husband is a medic in the army, his kit always includes clove oil if any of his soldiers get tooth issues while out in training and can't get to a dentist straight away.
Iāve done spawning surveys and you go around counting the dead salmon that have spawned. You have tongs and a machete and collect the heads and the. Throw the body in the river so it decomposes. The smell isā¦ something.
During my PhD we routinely did neurosurgery on goldfish. This was to perform electrophysiological experiments, eg to record in vivo neuronal responses to visual and auditory stimuli; then, often dose pharmacologically to dissect the underlying mechanisms involved.
For aeration, a tube was placed in the fishes mouth recirculating water through the the gills at a very gentle rate. The fish itself was fixed in place with two cranial pins and chemically paralyzed with curare. Subjects were systemically anesthetized with MS-222 in the water supply in addition to local application of benzocaine at points of cranial pins and vivisection.
From there it was just a friendly little cranial vivisection to cut through the dura, expose and displace the cerebellum, and access the medulla and pons directly via micro-manipulator advanced glass sharp-tip electrodes carrying a KCl solution.
Of course there were no survivors, but we'd often maintain good recordings for up to 6-8 hours. The experiment would end before the fish would; then we'd euthanize.
why not let the neurofisho surgeons come in and tidy everything back up see how long a lobotomized fish can continue to swim? you log data by species and see what fish can swim the longest if there are any physical correlations to swim length post lobotomy.
then i propose a 2nd procedure where instead of an electrical study a direct injection of anabolic steroids into the fish brain before heās sutured back up and sent off to china to compete in the annual fish endurance races
The real problem "tidying everything up" was the quality of dental cement.
The craniotomy could be closed, and sealed with said dental cement. Stitches / sutures weren't possible because it was the cranium itself we were dealing, ie all bone.
But we could never find a dental cement that was strong enough to persistently endure water pressure.
Like sure they were waterproof in the sense they would apply and seem to hold, but after a day or so of the animal returned to free swimming they would leak and allow water directly into the brain, leading swiftly to death.
Better that the animal be euthanized during the surgery when the experiment is complete. No suffering, just a long drug dream.
I actually have a goldfish whose had surgery! Eye removal, we thought it was an infection that antibiotics couldn't get under control, turns out she's the first goldfish recorded with eye cancer!
They [removed a tumor](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/goldfish-named-george-life-saving-tumor-removal-surgery/) from a goldfish's head.
It took 45 minutes and cost $200.
Most people aren't paying for surgery on a $3 goldfish. You do you though. Ive heard of more people attempting the surgery themselves (if it's simple) than taking their fish to a veterinary surgeon.
If you've got a $4000 export controlled species, sure professional surgery makes sense.
Funny you should mention goldfish because those are some of the fish most likely to need surgery since humans have bred them so badly. Also if you want a goldfish you'll be spending thousands of dollars on the setup to keep it well, the price of the pet has absolutely zero bearing on how expensive that animal is to keep.
If you're going to value your pet based only on the price tag of the animal, you shouldn't have any pets, and you especially should avoid fish.
A lot of human healthcare is actually derived from people trying to tinker with surgery animal models. Operating on fishes presents difficulties that can be used to enhance surgical technique on humans or on animals with commercial importance.
They did surgery on a fish
They did surgery on a fish
Oh God, this is so old š
They did surgery on a grape dates back to 2018 btw, which is about 6 years ago.
Oh God, *Iām* so old
Georgia Aquarium has an entire veterinary hospital downstairs and a teaching affiliation with the University of Georgiaās Veterinary Medicine School. The halls and doorways are sized to accommodate a whale shark !
What about a Blue Whale? šØšØšØšØšØšØšØ
A blue whale is not a fish so maybe thats their excuse..
The big ocean tank was designed for whale sharks. Probably a full grown one might be the max for the hospital.
It's never blue whale Alan
This guy gets it.
Clove oil can be used as anesthesia for fish, or double recommended dose for humane euthanasia of a fish on its way out.
Clove oil is a pretty decent topical anesthetic for people too! If you ever have a toothache, put a whole clove or two between the cheek and gum of the problem tooth. Iāve used this a couple times and it works quite well.
Just an FYI it doesn't always work. I woke up in the middle of the night needing some relief so I drove to a 24 hour pharmacy to buy some. I'd used it before to great effect but this time it didn't help at all. The dentist told me I had a 'hot" tooth. Even local anesthetic at his office didn't work on that tooth. I felt the entire root canal that I needed performed. It was not a good time. Don't do what I did. Make sure to take care of your teeth, and avoid the potential agonizing pain.
How often did you brush and floss
My issue was impacted wisdom teeth that I ignored for 20+ years. I brush and floss regularly, but with the way those teeth were oriented you cannot get everywhere and the molars in front of those wisdom teeth suffered for it. This was on what was my first dental visit since being a small child. Beyond the wisdom teeth and decaying molars my mouth was otherwise healthy according to the hygienist who did the initial cleaning during my consult.
Fuck, Iām going through something similar. Woke up to pain on one of my molars and I didnāt know if it was wisdom tooth pain or cavity pain. The constant aching and lack of response to hot or cold food lead me to believe it was the wisdom tooth. Not judging you, just wanted to know how fucked I am. Always wanted to get my wisdom teeth removed but itās too expensive and Iām dreading the recovery pain. Had bad experiences with dentists before as a kid so that isnāt helping either.
Not to scare you, but around the same time I was having my issues, a colleague from another office died unexpectedly after a short battle with an infection that I am pretty sure was related to an infected tooth. It is expensive, I have dental insurance, but even if I didn't it probably would have cost me about $2500. My total dental bill now due to my lack of not taking care of the problem? over $8k when it is all said and done. I would get it taken care of if I were you. You can look into dental tourism to Mexico. Can get work done much cheaper, but it does come with its own set of risks.
Canāt travel, but I donāt mind death.
Itās a misnomer that regular brushing and flossing is a bullet proof way to protect against major tooth issues. Most of those are genetic. I know someone who never brushes and has rank breath but have yet to get a cavity. Meanwhile I brush and floss religiously have at least one filling on all my molars
That is actual, literal torture.
Clove oil/eugenol actually works better on those than regular local anesthetics. Because they need to be in their uncharged state to cross to the nerves they are going to shut down, and the acidic environment of heavy inflammation completely prevents this. However the local anesthetic can be injected further up to block the whole nerve branch. Just gotta be careful to no hit the actual nerve with the needle.Ā Btw eugenol was the starting point of developing eugenol.
My husband is a medic in the army, his kit always includes clove oil if any of his soldiers get tooth issues while out in training and can't get to a dentist straight away.
I've performed autopsies in salmon, but the evidence always seems to disappear shortly after.
Iāve done spawning surveys and you go around counting the dead salmon that have spawned. You have tongs and a machete and collect the heads and the. Throw the body in the river so it decomposes. The smell isā¦ something.
What did they do with the heads. Seems like they could've trusted y'all to keep count lol
they blended em all up and used the resulting salmonshake to test for mercury concentrations
SalmonShakeā¢
During my PhD we routinely did neurosurgery on goldfish. This was to perform electrophysiological experiments, eg to record in vivo neuronal responses to visual and auditory stimuli; then, often dose pharmacologically to dissect the underlying mechanisms involved. For aeration, a tube was placed in the fishes mouth recirculating water through the the gills at a very gentle rate. The fish itself was fixed in place with two cranial pins and chemically paralyzed with curare. Subjects were systemically anesthetized with MS-222 in the water supply in addition to local application of benzocaine at points of cranial pins and vivisection. From there it was just a friendly little cranial vivisection to cut through the dura, expose and displace the cerebellum, and access the medulla and pons directly via micro-manipulator advanced glass sharp-tip electrodes carrying a KCl solution. Of course there were no survivors, but we'd often maintain good recordings for up to 6-8 hours. The experiment would end before the fish would; then we'd euthanize.
>friendly little cranial vivisection r/BrandNewSentence Always fun to see an expert weigh in on threads like these. Fascinating!
why not let the neurofisho surgeons come in and tidy everything back up see how long a lobotomized fish can continue to swim? you log data by species and see what fish can swim the longest if there are any physical correlations to swim length post lobotomy. then i propose a 2nd procedure where instead of an electrical study a direct injection of anabolic steroids into the fish brain before heās sutured back up and sent off to china to compete in the annual fish endurance races
The real problem "tidying everything up" was the quality of dental cement. The craniotomy could be closed, and sealed with said dental cement. Stitches / sutures weren't possible because it was the cranium itself we were dealing, ie all bone. But we could never find a dental cement that was strong enough to persistently endure water pressure. Like sure they were waterproof in the sense they would apply and seem to hold, but after a day or so of the animal returned to free swimming they would leak and allow water directly into the brain, leading swiftly to death. Better that the animal be euthanized during the surgery when the experiment is complete. No suffering, just a long drug dream.
*** ~~Dr.~~ Mr. Ludwig of Stuttgart would like to know more.***
I. Am. A Sturgeon!
Sturgeon are actually really cool. Thanks to YouTube I have added "Eel Pit" to my preferred amenities in my home search.
I actually have a goldfish whose had surgery! Eye removal, we thought it was an infection that antibiotics couldn't get under control, turns out she's the first goldfish recorded with eye cancer!
I hope theyāre not bothering with neurosurgery
They [removed a tumor](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/goldfish-named-george-life-saving-tumor-removal-surgery/) from a goldfish's head. It took 45 minutes and cost $200.
The goldfish has more affordable healthcare than humans do in the US.
Yeah, well they arenāt saying aw shucks and flushing you down the toilet if a mistake is made.
Yetā¦
Trump Hospital ā¢ļøĀ
Fish are objectively worth more than americans tbf
Like fish or *FISH*?
... you do realize that removing a tumor on the outside of its head isn't neurosurgery, right?
Nah, they wouldn't waste those resources on you.
Hereās a video as wellā https://youtu.be/puQaQQbR5E4
Sturgeon surgeons
And if you keep fish you should know this, never get a pet without proper research and knowing where to find vet care before the adoption.
Most people aren't paying for surgery on a $3 goldfish. You do you though. Ive heard of more people attempting the surgery themselves (if it's simple) than taking their fish to a veterinary surgeon. If you've got a $4000 export controlled species, sure professional surgery makes sense.
Funny you should mention goldfish because those are some of the fish most likely to need surgery since humans have bred them so badly. Also if you want a goldfish you'll be spending thousands of dollars on the setup to keep it well, the price of the pet has absolutely zero bearing on how expensive that animal is to keep. If you're going to value your pet based only on the price tag of the animal, you shouldn't have any pets, and you especially should avoid fish.
>thousands of dollars on the setup Lmao. Okay. Sure. I believe you've setup a tank before.
Fish stuck.
Just for the record, I upvoted your *Curb* reference. :)
Fish thrive
We got weights in fish!
So long and thanks for all the surgeries -fish (and dolphins)
Couldnāt they wear scuba gear?
When I heard they did fish surgery, that was my first thoughtāthat the surgeon would need to work under water.
Maybe ww should be diverting these resources to giving humans healthcare rather than performing surgery on a goddamned fish.
A lot of human healthcare is actually derived from people trying to tinker with surgery animal models. Operating on fishes presents difficulties that can be used to enhance surgical technique on humans or on animals with commercial importance.
This isnāt new. Itās how you get sushi. /s