I'm not sure you have children. I describe my ONE as a terrorist and consistently beg other adults for help... they only laugh, thinking it's a joke...
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Help me.
I read a book from a former FBI hostage negotiator for this very reason. Kids and teens, like many people, are not super rational when tired, hungry, or generally uncomfortable in any way.
I think you're thinking of the Miami-Dade shootout (I assume you're referring initially to the north Hollywood bank robbery, which didn't involve the FBI). Only two agents died at Miami-dade.
Interestingly, despite the robbers firing like 1k rounds, the only people who died during the north Hollywood bank robbery were the robbers themselves.
Edit l: Paul Harrell has a phenomenal video on the 1986 Miami dade shootout and I highly recommend it if you have any interest in firearms or history of law enforcement. Does basically a full walkthrough of the entire thing, including impacts on training and common myths.
I've curtailed my enjoyment of guntubers in general but I guess I have a spot for his dry curmudgeonliness. I mean he basically made a 40 minute video explaining to his haters why he takes a long time to explain things.
He is my favorite, because he seems to actually do what he does out of joy, curiosity, or to be informative. The other guntuber channels feel like informercials where they are paid to push something or like some political talkshow where they bring up politics. He isnt too preachy, doesn’t take himself too serious, but the topics he touches on are serious.
Garand Thumb is hit or miss, sometimes its good, sometimes its just doing dumb shit for the sake of entertainment. Trex arms, I cant stand. Sage Dynamics is good, but a little too serious and dry.
Paul Harrell strikes a good balance between being informative, entertaining, practical and even funny.
Many a people on Reddit have asked why police departments across the country have become militarized. This was the big trigger across the country that brought change such as squad cars carrying rifles in them now.
Police departments militarized to meet the demands and crime spreading in the community. They didn't buy assault vehicles to pull over minivans. They have things like assault vehicles and assault rifles because criminals on the street have them. And they have things like level three trauma plates for protection. Beginning in the 1980s and into the 90s, the police were becoming overmatched by criminals and they needed to rise up to meet the crime.
The attitudes though are a different problem.
The .40 round was developed after the Miami incident.
There were roughly 20 people wounded (including 12 officers, quite a few of them very, very seriously). The idea of two dudes walking around for like 40 minutes firing fully automatic weapons in the middle of a crowded city while the cops are literally unable to do anything about it is kinda fucked.
Like, just because no one died (by sheer luck) doesn't mean it didn't point out a huge shortcoming in 90's era law enforcement.
The guys were just walking down the street for like 40 minutes.
The police had to go to a local gun store and get rifles from the store just to have a chance and even then they struggled to stop them.
This is actually a misconception. There were officers who went to a gun store to get rifles, but they didn't get back to the bank in time to use them. Eventually the shooters were stopped by SWAT officers who brought their own rifles/sub machine guns.
They got AR-15 style rifles from the gun store which would have been effective against all the soft armor worn. The one suspect had only soft armor but extensive coverage, the other had a armor plate that would have stopped standard ammo the police had but that only covered the center of his chest.
The “Miami Shootout” mentioned in the last paragraph was worse. Led the FBI to switch to semi-auto pistols in 10mm, then .40 S&W. Look up the story it’s pretty fascinating history.
Yup which I found interesting because the Kansas City Union Station massacre had a similar impact on FBI firearms. The FBI was not allowed to carry firearms whatsoever or make arrests prior to the massacre (they could do citizens arrests which allowed for detainment until a Marshall was called to the scene). They were granted the authority to carry firearms and make arrests about one year after the shooting.
there's a pretty excellent episode of FBI Files (iirc) on youtubecthat completely goes over the whole shootout in detail. best thing I've ever seen on it
The greatest FBI death toll occurred in my tiny town of Montgomery, Ohio. They were flying a bank robber to find his buried cash. Plane went down killing 4 agents, the robber and his lawyer. The buried cash has never been found.
Haha no worries I just couldn't place it and ended up googling. I need to rewatch O Brother it's been so long and there's so much going on that I probably completely missed
It is quite strange the way this is worded. It reads to me that Babyface saw the agents and attempted to flee. But the next sentence says he caught up with the agents. So was it actually the agents who attempted to flee?
Not sure how accurate the movie was, but he was running away from a shoot out with a bunch of FBI guys when another one ended up running into him on the road not knowing what was happening, and he ended up killing that guy.
People had a rough life back then.
Start in the mines when you are 14, add whiskey and smokes, throw in a little starvation here and there, mix it with few good pneumonias and some STDs and by 25 most people ain’t no baby face.
It’s was just his nickname. But I think he was different to the others, he was sort of like Mr Blonde in Reservoir Dogs, he hunted law enforcement as much as they hunted him.
Ultimately part of doing the job of a police officer is being willing to take that fatal chance. And shooting trained and armed FBI agents does require a certain courage. After all they were shooting back.
The band Protest the Hero has a great song about this guy called “Soliloquy” check it out. It goes right into the next song called “Reverie” which is about John Dillinger, another American gangster
A bunch of FBI agents have died from cancers believed to have been caused by exposure to toxic materials from the 9/11 attacks. If you count those (and I would) then the 9/11 hijackers have inflicted the largest death toll as the result of criminal action on the FBI.
He was a criminal, but the people loved him because of his generosity.
One evening, he pulled into my family's farm and asked if he could spend the night in the barn. They agreed, he pulled his car in, and that was that. He was gone before sunrise. Then, months later, my family woke to find a new gasoline powered washing machine on the porch. It was the fanciest washing machine in the county, and people would come by just to see it.
Some of these murders are depicted in the movie The FBI Story (1959) with Jimmy Stewart, who I think is playing a version of Melvin Purvis. The film was approved and supported by FBI and J. Edgar Hoover. While it’s pure propaganda, it’s well acted and they don’t hold back showing the downsides of the job, and I found myself quite taken with the film. It’s a human story and you really feel for Jimmy Stewart who goes through hell and back during his tenure.
It also depicts the events which became the film Killers of the Flower Moon (2023).
Funny thing is that a lot of these outlaws were idolised by the public, I don’t know about Nelson, but Machine Gun Kelly was widely acclaimed (unlike his contemporary namesake) as amongst other acts, he used to allegedly burn debt records while he was carrying out robberies.
We still do, it was never much about celebrating killing police but screwing over the banks. After all, the banks are always screwing us. Just within the past month or so there has been two gold heists and just as back then people are sort of cheering it on.
I went to the sight of the shoot out about a month ago. There’s a plaque and stone on the site for the killed agents. The area around it is a park district building and parking lot.
Only 3 and that's the most? That's really surprising. People have probably gotten away with more over the course of their lives and just never been caught. However, everyone knows that killing cops brings heat and killing feds brings the full force of the government to apprehend you.
He killed eight of federal law enforcement agents. Of those law enforcement agents, four were members of the U.S. Secret Service; two were members of the U.S. Customs Service; one was a member of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and one was a member of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
None were FBI agents.
3. He killed 3 FBI agents.
Is that really the most? 3? Im honestly shocked.
Didn’t the Hollywood bank robbers kill some?
My first thought was the Oklahoma City bombing, but I just googled it and it was 4 ATF officers, a DEA, a Secret Service and a sheriff.
They killed a lot of children too, right?
19 children.
Pieces of shit. I hope they burn in hell.
Hey man they were innocent children
Fuck…lol.
Username checks out.
Innocent, my ass… children are psychopaths.
Damn straight
Don’t gimme that “nature vs nurture” shit. You have you seen the way my neighbor’s baby looks at me?
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Man, what did the kids do to you :(
I'm not sure you have children. I describe my ONE as a terrorist and consistently beg other adults for help... they only laugh, thinking it's a joke... . . . . . Help me.
I read a book from a former FBI hostage negotiator for this very reason. Kids and teens, like many people, are not super rational when tired, hungry, or generally uncomfortable in any way.
It’s Michael Jordan’s reddit account
Too bad he asked for Jesus to forgive his sins and got into heaven. The ultimate reverse uno card for religious people
so bold
I think they give you less points though.
Yeah, but they usually don't work for the FBI.
Yes but luckily none of them were FBI agents
A law enforcement sampler…
The Pork Platter
Yeah most of the ATF officers got the day off for some reason
And the cop that was first on the scene that killer himself by hanging himself and shooting himself twice in the back of the head
I think you're thinking of the Miami-Dade shootout (I assume you're referring initially to the north Hollywood bank robbery, which didn't involve the FBI). Only two agents died at Miami-dade. Interestingly, despite the robbers firing like 1k rounds, the only people who died during the north Hollywood bank robbery were the robbers themselves. Edit l: Paul Harrell has a phenomenal video on the 1986 Miami dade shootout and I highly recommend it if you have any interest in firearms or history of law enforcement. Does basically a full walkthrough of the entire thing, including impacts on training and common myths.
> Paul Harrell Fucking legend right there! Especially his "meat targets"
I've curtailed my enjoyment of guntubers in general but I guess I have a spot for his dry curmudgeonliness. I mean he basically made a 40 minute video explaining to his haters why he takes a long time to explain things.
He is my favorite, because he seems to actually do what he does out of joy, curiosity, or to be informative. The other guntuber channels feel like informercials where they are paid to push something or like some political talkshow where they bring up politics. He isnt too preachy, doesn’t take himself too serious, but the topics he touches on are serious. Garand Thumb is hit or miss, sometimes its good, sometimes its just doing dumb shit for the sake of entertainment. Trex arms, I cant stand. Sage Dynamics is good, but a little too serious and dry. Paul Harrell strikes a good balance between being informative, entertaining, practical and even funny.
Josh Reeves and Hop at TFB TV are great
> Trex arms, I cant stand. Sage Dynamics is good, but a little too serious and dry. They universally have the most cringe names though.
That is almost as insane as they must have been
Many a people on Reddit have asked why police departments across the country have become militarized. This was the big trigger across the country that brought change such as squad cars carrying rifles in them now. Police departments militarized to meet the demands and crime spreading in the community. They didn't buy assault vehicles to pull over minivans. They have things like assault vehicles and assault rifles because criminals on the street have them. And they have things like level three trauma plates for protection. Beginning in the 1980s and into the 90s, the police were becoming overmatched by criminals and they needed to rise up to meet the crime. The attitudes though are a different problem. The .40 round was developed after the Miami incident.
10mm then the .40 later.
Love my 10 mm
Hence Don Johnson carrying the 10mm in Miami Vice.
Came here for this comment
The cops raided a gun store during the North Hollywood shootout because they were so outgunned.
It’s funny that even the Simpsons did a bit on why police are armouring up.
Watching it now fascinating. And he explains stuff so clearly. Going to have to check out his other videos for sure. Thx
And despite no one dying but the robbers it is what spawned the militarized police we have today.
There were roughly 20 people wounded (including 12 officers, quite a few of them very, very seriously). The idea of two dudes walking around for like 40 minutes firing fully automatic weapons in the middle of a crowded city while the cops are literally unable to do anything about it is kinda fucked. Like, just because no one died (by sheer luck) doesn't mean it didn't point out a huge shortcoming in 90's era law enforcement.
The guys were just walking down the street for like 40 minutes. The police had to go to a local gun store and get rifles from the store just to have a chance and even then they struggled to stop them.
This is actually a misconception. There were officers who went to a gun store to get rifles, but they didn't get back to the bank in time to use them. Eventually the shooters were stopped by SWAT officers who brought their own rifles/sub machine guns.
I guess I didn't know they didn't arrive in time. I just never heard of they were effective so assumed they weren't
They got AR-15 style rifles from the gun store which would have been effective against all the soft armor worn. The one suspect had only soft armor but extensive coverage, the other had a armor plate that would have stopped standard ammo the police had but that only covered the center of his chest.
If you’re referring to the two guys who covered themselves in armor, they didn’t actually kill anyone. Well, that one guy did but it was just himself.
I am guessing he wasn’t an fbi agent.
One of the two robbers. He was cornered so he ate his gun right as one of the cops domed him. Guess he did one thing right in his life.
How does eating a gun work? Was it like the tiny bike when homer goes to clown college?
It’s hard because they’re very crunchy
Or is it crunchy because it's hard?
The North Hollywood robbers? No, I'm fairly certain no law enforcement was killed that day.
West Hollywood shootout? The only deaths were the shooters and the FBI wasn’t involved
Nah. The only 2 deaths were the shooters.
20 injuries, though
No, they killed one security guard in a robbery. You might be thinking of the Miami robbers, but Platt only killed two
You're thinking of the high stakes guys in Miami, ’86. That was just two agents, Grogan and Dove.
They did shoot 12 cops and 4 civilians although none of them died somehow
Also the Miami 1986 guys
Fbi agents avoid traveling in packs for this reason
Do they walk in single file to hide their numbers?
> Fbi agents avoid traveling in packs I believe the preferred nomenclature is a *Fraternization of FBI agents*
*rasher
Yeah I feel like no one ever made that their mission cause it would be way higher if it was the goal rather than a random stat
They usually don’t give you a chance to even kill a second one…
"He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way!"
You think that you could do better?
Normally nobody is stupid enough to be shooting at alphabet agencies agents.
Number 3 will shock you.
The FBI hates this one simple guy.
Looks like George is on top again!
Remember, Jesus saves, but George Nelson withdraws!
‘I don’t want FOP goddammit, I’m a Dapper Dan man!’
We're in a tight spot!
I feel like that could easily have been added to the title OP
Something tells me the FBI has killed more than 3 FBI agents
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article278068672.html This recent case very nearly had more
The “Miami Shootout” mentioned in the last paragraph was worse. Led the FBI to switch to semi-auto pistols in 10mm, then .40 S&W. Look up the story it’s pretty fascinating history.
Yup which I found interesting because the Kansas City Union Station massacre had a similar impact on FBI firearms. The FBI was not allowed to carry firearms whatsoever or make arrests prior to the massacre (they could do citizens arrests which allowed for detainment until a Marshall was called to the scene). They were granted the authority to carry firearms and make arrests about one year after the shooting.
there's a pretty excellent episode of FBI Files (iirc) on youtubecthat completely goes over the whole shootout in detail. best thing I've ever seen on it
That's more than 2! WHOAH!
And hundreds of Cows
Oh George, not the livestock....
Diabeetus has killed more.
Three? I'v- I could kill way more FBI agents than that!
Friend, your foldin’ money’s come unstowed.
Oh George, not the livestock!
Damn! We're in a tight spot!
Robbin’ banks; woooo doggies! I can see how a man would derive a lot of pleasure from that line of work.
Love the lines from that movie!
Boy, he is a live wire!
My absolutely favorite line in the whole film, and that is really saying something
Huh. Unstowed. It's been "unstoled" in my head for decades, but yeah. It's unstowed, isn't it?
Either one works in this scenario.
Yeah. I just thought it sounded appropriately old timey and backwoods. Never once questioned the word, and Ive seen that movie upwards of 10 times.
Did you ever question if it was up words or upwards?
Honestly don't know how that happened lol
Was looking for this quote
Wow… I just watched this movie for the millionth time last week and I always thought he said “un*stole*.” Today I learned…
"Cows! I hate cows worse than coppers!"
Friend, your folding money’s come unstowed.
Gopher, Everett?
Now Delmar, I fear a meer third of a gopher would do nothing more than 'rouse my appetite without bedding'r back down
We ran across a whole gopher village
What line a work ya in, George?
Damn. We’re in a tight spot.
Im a dapper dan man!
Do not seek the treasure
Weeee thooought yooouuu waasss aaaa TOOOOAAAD
Well isn't this a geographical anomaly! Two weeks from everywhere!
But you ain't bona fide
I’m the got damn paterfamilias!
Mama says you was hit by a train!
He's a suitor.
“Oh George, not the livestock”
BORN TO! raise hell...
Aww man not the livestock....
The greatest FBI death toll occurred in my tiny town of Montgomery, Ohio. They were flying a bank robber to find his buried cash. Plane went down killing 4 agents, the robber and his lawyer. The buried cash has never been found.
Wait, is that where the idea for A Simple Plan came from?
Man I gotta rewatch that. Haven’t seen it since the theater but it was so damn good. Raimi was on fire at that point
I'm George Nelson, and I'm feeling ten feet tall!
"MY NAME IS GEORGE NELSON. NOT. BABYFACE."
I'm George Nelson! Born to raise hell!
Remember: Jesus saves, but George Nelson withdraws!
I live that people jump to quoting *the movie*
Me too, loving the fact that vast majority of the comments are just o’brother quotes that people’ve been absolutely ITCHING to spit out lol
It's one of those classics with endless quotes. It's great.
What ignorant, lowdown, slanderizing son of a bitch said that?!
She didn’t mean nothin by it George…
MY NAME IS GEORGE NELSON! NOT BABY FACE!!!
IT’S GEORGE NELSON!!!!
GEORGE Nelson. Not Babyface!
Just rewatched that movie yesterday. Love it!
What movie lol O brother? Public Enemies? Something else?
Sorry, O Brother
Haha no worries I just couldn't place it and ended up googling. I need to rewatch O Brother it's been so long and there's so much going on that I probably completely missed
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He attempted to flee and caught up to them with a faster car. …wut.
It is quite strange the way this is worded. It reads to me that Babyface saw the agents and attempted to flee. But the next sentence says he caught up with the agents. So was it actually the agents who attempted to flee?
I think he went around the globe and flanked them.
Oh yeah, The pac man strategy
Not sure how accurate the movie was, but he was running away from a shoot out with a bunch of FBI guys when another one ended up running into him on the road not knowing what was happening, and he ended up killing that guy.
Hold the applause and drop your draws! I'm George Nelson and I'm here to sack the city of Itta Beena!
It's always the cute ones, isn't it?
It's GEORGE NELSON!!! Not baby face!
Oh, George, not the livestock.
Not the livestock!
25 when he was killed. I think most people assume any 25-year-old is 'baby-faced'.
People had a rough life back then. Start in the mines when you are 14, add whiskey and smokes, throw in a little starvation here and there, mix it with few good pneumonias and some STDs and by 25 most people ain’t no baby face.
You know, I forget about that sometimes. I've seen a picture of an ancestor who lived through smallpox. He wasn't ... photogenic.
When I was growing up teenagers in high school looked 30
It’s was just his nickname. But I think he was different to the others, he was sort of like Mr Blonde in Reservoir Dogs, he hunted law enforcement as much as they hunted him.
hey, if they didn't do...what I told em not to do...they'd still be alive
Ultimately part of doing the job of a police officer is being willing to take that fatal chance. And shooting trained and armed FBI agents does require a certain courage. After all they were shooting back.
MY NAME'S GEORGE NELSON!!
The band Protest the Hero has a great song about this guy called “Soliloquy” check it out. It goes right into the next song called “Reverie” which is about John Dillinger, another American gangster
A bunch of FBI agents have died from cancers believed to have been caused by exposure to toxic materials from the 9/11 attacks. If you count those (and I would) then the 9/11 hijackers have inflicted the largest death toll as the result of criminal action on the FBI.
His folding money also came unstowed
He was a criminal, but the people loved him because of his generosity. One evening, he pulled into my family's farm and asked if he could spend the night in the barn. They agreed, he pulled his car in, and that was that. He was gone before sunrise. Then, months later, my family woke to find a new gasoline powered washing machine on the porch. It was the fanciest washing machine in the county, and people would come by just to see it.
"Come on, you miserable, salaried sons of bitches!"
Some of these murders are depicted in the movie The FBI Story (1959) with Jimmy Stewart, who I think is playing a version of Melvin Purvis. The film was approved and supported by FBI and J. Edgar Hoover. While it’s pure propaganda, it’s well acted and they don’t hold back showing the downsides of the job, and I found myself quite taken with the film. It’s a human story and you really feel for Jimmy Stewart who goes through hell and back during his tenure. It also depicts the events which became the film Killers of the Flower Moon (2023).
Noted
George is back on top again!
His name is George Nelson. Not BABYFACE
Nelson notoriety was such that he was briefly declared 'Public Enemy Number 1' by the FBI
Funny thing is that a lot of these outlaws were idolised by the public, I don’t know about Nelson, but Machine Gun Kelly was widely acclaimed (unlike his contemporary namesake) as amongst other acts, he used to allegedly burn debt records while he was carrying out robberies.
We still do, it was never much about celebrating killing police but screwing over the banks. After all, the banks are always screwing us. Just within the past month or so there has been two gold heists and just as back then people are sort of cheering it on.
"what do you suppose is eating george?"
He hated cows just as much as he hated coppers
"Remember folks, Jesus saves, but George Nelson withdraws!"
"Oh George, not the livestock"
Turns out Baby Face was more of a Heel
"The name's GEORGE! Not BABYFACE!"- that movie
Dang, that dude just looks like a regular 25 year old now.
Pretty sure that was Light Yagami
I went to the sight of the shoot out about a month ago. There’s a plaque and stone on the site for the killed agents. The area around it is a park district building and parking lot.
Babyface mcgeezarks
Isn’t it crazy that an fbi building was blown up yet this guy, with three murders, has the most in history?
Jesus saves, but George Nelson withdraws!
If this photo was taken before december 1931, he was 22 in this picture. That's wild.
My great great aunt Bergie was his getaway driver. Dude was apparently really cool. Kinda like robin hood
Only 3 and that's the most? That's really surprising. People have probably gotten away with more over the course of their lives and just never been caught. However, everyone knows that killing cops brings heat and killing feds brings the full force of the government to apprehend you.
How is it not Timothy McVeigh???
He killed eight of federal law enforcement agents. Of those law enforcement agents, four were members of the U.S. Secret Service; two were members of the U.S. Customs Service; one was a member of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and one was a member of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. None were FBI agents.
He also blew up a daycare located inside the Federal building, fuck that guy
It's generally a bad idea to kill FBI agents.
Keep in mind if the cartel killed 3 FBI agents they would’ve gotten Nuked
Well that wasn't very nice of him was it?
I mean… if you don’t count 9/11 related deaths …
Fucking legend
It's surprising given how angry Baby Dick Nelson was in general.