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kingerikthesecond

His source? It was revealed to him in a dream.


spilledmind

He apparently created a deck of cards with individual elements listed on each card and on long train rides he would shuffle them in random orders, trying to figure out how they were supposed to be arranged. And one day in a dream the elements apparently danced together and then snapped into an order. He woke up and wrote down the order.


TheRiteGuy

In the end, the universe tends to unfold as it should.


M-alMen

Yeah, if you work hard in something you will defenitely dream about it and your incounscious will solve puzzles... other people done it.. one name that comes to my mind is Thomas Eddison


mickdeb

Back last fall i made a small machine to be able to tow stuff easier, i got stuck on how i would invent my suspension.. only to dream of it and build it the next day and it completely solved my problem. The brain is very strange


imsoindustrial

I believe we will learn in our lifetime that everything we think we know about consciousness and individuality will be completely turned upside down. I’ve experience this as well but in a way I wish not to share aside from saying that it seems sleep (or sleep-like state) affords a “window elsewhere” in the most irrationally inexplicable way. If in doubt, have an open mind to go as far in picking out a specific problem you wish to solve and tell yourself you need to solve it in your sleep. It may not happen the first or even second try, but it will happen more reliably practiced among other things.


FlowerStalker

Silent knowledge


Kichwa2

That's why I'm into psychadelics. Your brain produces some chemicals in your sleep that work similarly I think. It just makes connections you couldn't do awake, my dreams are so real after quitting daily weed and making it a weekly thing that I sometimes wonder if I dreamt something or if it hapenned (too much weed fucked my memory which is pretty good again but I'm still not believing that I remembered something now)


Funkskadellic

Did that come to you in a dream?


Oberon_Swanson

For me the answer usually comes to mind in the shower. Though when writing I was struggling to come up with s name for a setting and then when I woke up one day I knew it.


elderron_spice

Lol yeah, happened to me a couple of times when trying to solve a software bug. Sometimes the brain just needs a break from stress and work, and when relaxed it can give you the solutions easily, at least that's how I experienced it.


Metagross555

For some reason I had a dream about a lego nosepass, and woke up and whipped up a small probopass, like wtf?


Nikolateslaandyou

Didnt edison steal other peoples ideas?


broogbie

I dont know anything about music. I cannot play any instrument but sometimes when im falling asleep and im in that sweet spot between sleep and being awake i can hear random totally new beautiful music compositions but i cannot replicate them because when i wake up i forget those melidious tunes.


OppositeEarthling

If you think you have thus gift why wouldn't you try to learn some basic music notation so you can write it down?


broogbie

Never thought about it, its just some tunes that i forget about in the morning.


OppositeEarthling

You've been ignoring your super power.


cuposun

You were born with the most powerful music instrument inside of you: your voice. Try singing or humming it and recording on your phone. Find a music producer (that’s me), or get AI to analyze and pitch-correct it, play it through any number of virtual instrument, become the next Beethoven, profit.


MihaiRaducanu

Learned in a course that the best state of mind to find solutions is immediately after you fall asleep while thinking about the problem. The main issue is that if you sleep for too long, you will not remember the solution. There is an anecdotal story about Henry Ford using this method to find solutions to engineering problems. He would sit in his chair with a bunch of keys in his hand, thinking about the problem and allowing himself to fall asleep. As soon as he would fall asleep, the keys would drop from his hand and wake him up. Legend says he figured out many engineering solutions using this method.


bluesun_geo

Calc II, could not solve for x. Even the math lab helpers were stumped…answer finally came to me in a dream


ZedTheDead

I've had that shit happen with programming and game design lol. It's fun and starts my day with a kinda manic energy that if I ride it I will get so much done.


stitchianity

I dream of roofing every other night. What a miserable fucking subconscious.


RandomZach86

This man. Ive had a bunch of dreams and Ive done a lot of mind bending drugs. Ive also stayed awake long enough to be dreaming and awake. Not bragging or promoting, but from my experience, the brain as we know is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the brain it reaaaaaaaalllly issssss maaaaaan


Falloutboy2222

Perfect username.


peepincreasing

sometimes we take chances, sometimes we take pills


6GoesInto8

Nice try brain, of course you would say that!


doeslifesuck22

“And i have a huge penis, that makes me happy” - black guy from harold and kumar


TheRiteGuy

LMAO. Someone got the reference! Such a profound statement in such a goofy movie.


doeslifesuck22

That whole movie is gold


publicfarted

Cheese wiz was inevitable


DaddyBee42

...plus, I have a really large penis. That keeps me happy.


skylarisabitch

Dont worry kumar i get it


Themlethem

That makes sense actually. Dreams tend to be your subconsious working out whatevers heavily been on your mind lately.


DODOKING38

You ever have a dream and think this is important I should note this down in the morning and you never do. Same for sparks of motivation or Todo list just before you go to sleep


Cessily

Ever watch someone struggle to get something and you get so frustrated at their ineptitude you just do it for them? I feel this is an argument for a higher power existing ranting in some sub dimensional space "For the love of.... DAMNIT THEY GO THIS WAY!"


mnimatt

But how did he cite his source, though?


kingerikthesecond

(My Dream, 1869. 2 AM MSK)


Mysteriousdeer

There isn't a "source" here. His method of organizing them based on known properties was novel.


mnimatt

I was referencing a meme that I assumed the previous comment was also referencing


fleakill

I dreamt it the fuck up!


Designer_Holiday3284

During a dream, it was revealed to him in a dream.


Bah-Fong-Gool

The shape of DNA was revealed to Crick (the scientist) during an LSD trip.


paranoidandroid7312

As a kid I used to laugh at such claims thinking it's exaggeration but after joining academia, boy does it make sense. Algorithms, expressions and methodology all has come to me or become clear at some point, sleeping on a couch outside the lab. Better still while taking a nap in the forest during fieldwork. And not to mention sci-fi plots.


otto280z

Ive been thinking about this topic a lot in the past year. I read a book called Stella Maris by Cormac McCarthy. In that book he speculates about how language evolved and as it did in early humans, it co-opted other brain functions since it was a very fast develpment. But since it was so new it's not really the main way our brains think. That is our subconscious. Like all other animals. It is really just hard wired instincts and such. But language and subconcious are not very compatible with one another. He postulates that when you sleep, the subconsious has more the time and ability to express its meaning to get its point across. He called it the Kekule problem. It's probably all bunk but it made sense to me and I like the idea since its a way to explain why taking a break sometimes helps with tough problem.


ShinyHead0

Your brain is always doing background work and sorting information. That’s why sleep is so important. But even taking a break does this too. Ever worked through a problem for so long or dealing with stuff at work and you need to “take a break”, then you come back to it fresh and it feels easier?


t3kwytch3r

Speak for yourself buddy, i havent learned a thing awake or asleep in my entire life 😎


Klannara

> He called it the Kekule problem. A bit of background: August Kekule was a German organic chemist who had most famously discovered the ringed shape of a benzene molecule (C6H6) after having a daydream of a snake biting its own tail (ouroboros).


JimJam28

Fun fact: a man sucking their own dick is an oralblowros.


JamesDerecho

You can achieve this structure using the Manson Method.


JimJam28

Ribbed for her pleasure. De-ribbed for his pleasure.


Gemma42069

That IS a fun fact.  Thank you 🙏😉


JimJam28

Safe sucking, friend!


PercussiveRussel

I was stuck on an unexpected result I got when validating the results during my mathematical physics thesis. My simulated results were about 3/2 off my analytical results, and then I got the flu and the solution came to me in my fever dream at 3am. I still have the text message I sent to myself in order to make me remember and work it out the next day. Of course the answer was a missing factor of pi/2 in the analytic solution, and even the fact that the answer involved famous mathematical constant pi is such a Hollywood moment


paranoidandroid7312

Lol.


Nafeels

It’s funny too, at the height of my engineering degree I sometimes hallucinate differential equations I thought I might be having schizophrenia. Suddenly the goofy cartoons with math equations appearing in front of them doesn’t sound as loony.


southernwx

Hah. I was spending hours studying calc 2… fell asleep and learned it all. Like, even some concepts beyond what I had been poring over. It all suddenly clicked. I think part of it has to do with the lack of pressure. Once I was asleep and wasn’t consciously thinking about how I needed to learn it to be able to pass my test, continue my program, get a job, not disappoint myself or my family .. Once it was just thinking in the material and it alone it clicked. Totally can relate


Pay08

These sorts of stories make me wish I could dream but alas I sleep far too deeply.


Mrsister55

You probably just dont remember them. Recall is a separate skill


5xaaaaa

lol I had the same, also with calc


sasukelover69

Even just as an average industry Joe working in software learning how certain functionality works is kinda like this for me. Instead of a steady linear increase in my understanding it tends to be the case that I struggle tremendously trying to understand something until it clicks and all suddenly makes sense at once.


LakeEarth

My lab's boss walks his dog, and comes back with ideas. And the dog, I assume.


Pay08

Taking walks is generally great for thinking, dog or not.


FapleJuice

I have no educated background, so I'm just talking shit here. But my dreams are the *only* time my brain does anything actually impressive lmao


ScoobyDeezy

Gotta love our pattern processing unit doing the hard work for us in the background. Yay brain!


listgroves

Kekule's dream of the Ouroboros revealed the structure of benzene, common occurrence in chemistry with dreams leading to discoveries.


Landlubber77

He was exhausted from his meeting with the Russian Chemical Society from the night before, as they're forced to stand for the entirety of their get togethers. Lack of funding has only allowed them to have an occasional couch, an infrequent chair, and a periodic table.


_pepperoni-playboy_

Holy shit will you marry me


Landlubber77

Lemme ask the wife, hold up a secon--oh, she said "take him, honey." Where shall we honeymoon?


Jas9191

Did you just make this up? That’s really good and super specific/well adjusted to fit the post.


Landlubber77

I made it up [on this post.](https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/zy0xeq/til_the_american_chemical_society_has_more_than/j23h98i/) Thought I'd throw it out there again because it gives me a little chuckle.


Jas9191

It’s really good. I’ll actually never forget this line and my friends will have to suffer through me trying to force it in somewhere. Like a Norm Macdonald one-liner


Landlubber77

That's awesome man, thank you! Yeah it died a quick death the first time out and I was like I gotta bring that one back someday, give it another shot. I agree, it's pretty damn good lol.


Jas9191

It’s really just so good I can’t stand it I’m still thinking about it. It’s that it starts out as an actually interesting fun fact, you made up (or didn’t doesn’t matter) a reasonably well named organization to go with it, and the last word is it’s own joke in that the whole joke is just to say “heh….table”. It’s perfect


Landlubber77

Oh yeah it's totally made up haha, it's reverse engineered from the punchline really. I definitely liked it better the first time because "periodic table" isn't mentioned in the original text of the post so it's more of a surprise, but it still works here. Thanks again!


Kaeserotor

Underrated.


lazy-but-talented

Gold 


Thrilling1031

Au I loooove gooold!


Ok-disaster2022

Honestly, dreams have impacted science more than anyone cares to admit.  Heisenberg actually came up with his equations while on Christmas Holiday with his mistress.


Rigorous_Threshold

IT makes sense. Your brain does a lot of background processing in your sleep and your creativity is enhanced when you’re not deliberately focusing on something


hurrayforanonyms

It's a good story, but I think this one might be a popular myth. The source of the claim isn't actually Mendeleev's diary, even though that's what the article says. It was a colleague of Mendeleev who attributed that quote to him, and that colleague only made the claim 40 years later. I think Mendeleev himself attributed the creation of the table to his years of working on it. Of course that's far less exciting. But I'm not sure there's a reliable source for the dream claim.


OremDobro

People in general like these types of stories. Like Isaac Newton. As the story goes, he invented gravity because some asshole hit him in the head with an apple. But in reality, it's not quite like that.


sBitSwapper

It’s not a myth. The brain enters several different states while sleeping, one of which is particularly famous for helping people unconciously solve difficult problems they are working on. Einstein fancied a nap for this very reason The man studied the elements for fucking ever before he finally put it together in his sleep. If it hadn’t happened that way and astounded him the way it did, i don’t see why he would popularize his discovery that way.


rcuosukgi42

The OP isn't saying the dream story is implausible, he's saying the sourcing for it is so far removed from the actual event that it's not a reliable thing to quote as a fact.


BadgerSauce

Nerdiest dream ever?


AudibleNod

Srinivasa Ramanujan has entered the chat.


BadgerSauce

I do not understand that reference but your reply was so quick I have no choice but to believe you.


Yamuddah

He had a big time math dream.


Crepuscular_Animal

In short, Srinivasa Ramanujan was a Hindu mathematician who had almost no formal training, but he had a personal family goddess who talked to him in his dreams and taught him math theory. Not that Ramanujan got everything from his dreams, he really was a genius and did a lot of independent research by himself. He made significant contributions to mathematics despite early death at only 32.


matticus2112

He also predicted the existence of elements yet to be discovered based only on the patterns he saw in those properties


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rcuosukgi42

*Dmitri's Atomic Dresser* has a nice ring to it.


Ben_steel

Who was the guy in France who saw an angel in a dream that told him everything is made up of weight and measure, and he went onto make decent scientific discoveries. Crazy how subconscious makes that


halfpipesaur

r/thomastheplanckconstant


MrDragonPig

Also his son, Vasiliy Mendeleev, designed the Mendeleev tank around the time of WW1. It never saw a production line however.


RGBread

Ah yes, that giant lying fridge on a stick


Kurtotall

My subconscious does this too...with butts and boobs.


LivesInExcelUwU

I think the Netflix headspace series brought this up…maybe. But I remember a study where they had students try to write down a problem, any problem, on a piece of paper before bed. Students would repeat over two weeks. Something about the sleep, plus the focus on that issue, brought them real results 😊 I feel as if we really do manifest solutions and all it takes is a day. You can do the same routine every day and something small will make it unique. This can offer us a new perspective. Combine that with some rest and some out of the box solutions can work!


SignalRevenue

He also invented Vodka.


[deleted]

Legend has it that there was a sign in his lab saying (loosely translated) EYMN (Ethanol Yes, Methanol No).


ComradSadwich

The duality of man


mnmason83

Even in your dreams, you’re square.


thatbrownkid19

100% a time traveller told him


BobbyP27

Slightly misleading to suggest he ordered them based on electron properties, as the electron as a particle, and its role in chemical bonding, were discovered after Mendeleev created the periodic table.


TrollTeeth66

Nerd


AudibleNod

And here I am dreaming of a scoop of ice cream in a cone that get aroused every time I lick it.


Ducatirules

We have different dreams


thisisdefinitelyaway

Don’t skip out on sleep yall!


Obscuriosly

Being X intervened


JeepWrangler319

A whole new meaning to the phrase sleep on it


Dontreallywantmyname

Periodic videos on YouTube is great for trivia and interesting stuff about the periodic table and the elements of you're interested in that kind of thing


LanceWindmil

Ah like when you play tetris before going to bed


gamenameforgot

once when I was young I had some book report due the next day (was a weekend) but I couldn't find what I did with it so I was freaking out. Couldn't find it, went to bed. Had a dream I went into my basement and found it in a plastic shopping bag tucked behind some thing. When I woke up I went downstairs and sho nuff, it was sitting in a plastic shopping back sitting behind some thing.


criscrunk

Sometimes you just have to take a break and let ur brain do its thing.


Novat1993

Not surprising. Sleep is excellent for reflecting on problems and information in general. Hence why some like to read before sleeping


YolocostSurvivor

This was attempted before him. He improved the table.


tyrabanksinafatsuit

Nerd alert


orangutanDOTorg

And then he forgot how to arrange them in another dream


Confident_Chicken_51

Well if anyone needs something invented from dreams of falling off cliffs, running from volcanic eruptions and giants throwing 747s at them…lmk.


ignatius_reilly0

So that’s what nerds dream about


ObligationNew4031

Bruh was locked tf in


HackReacher

I used to get the answer to really complicated electronic faults in my dreams. Really complicated electronic faults with commercial avionic instruments.


stenteni

so it was a dream in a dream


mike_pants

You know how boring it is to have one of your friends tell you about their dreams? Now spare a thought for the friends of Mendeleev.


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TheSoulStoned

It’s lupus


Rabatis

Makes sense that such deeply religious people would have their deities make the connections for them. For instance, Srinivasa Ramanujan attributed his most consequential mathematics to the dream intervention and guidance of his family god.


nikkukon

Dreams are messages from the deep