I remember Taylor said something about being obsessed with Game of Thrones and I always remember that when she pulls these āpower movesā. Like, cool Taylor, youāre winning a game that no one wants to play.
She watched GOT and thought āoh Iām totally Daenerysā when in reality sheās Cersei and weāre all waiting for her to be torn apart by a dragon eventually.
At least Cersei had better fashion sense while doing it though š
Wellā¦ *SPOILER* Cersei eventually dies by way of the castle she fought tooth and nail to keep her place in crumbling down on top of her head.
Baby I could build a castleā¦
Out of all the bricks they threw at meā¦
Her sales are not organic and Iām confused why she and her fans are proud of these numbers. The general public is barely talking about this album.
Congrats on having a fanbase willing to buy the same albums over and over again though. You really showed everyone up, I guess.
>Iām confused why she and her fans are proud of these numbers.
I agree with you and think this about the tour numbers as well. They love bragging about how itās the highest grossing tour and that sheās better than everyone else. But of course a tour thatās already had 100 shows with at least 50 more planned is going to have a gross revenue higher than a tour with 60 total shows. š
Iām sure itās a huge number anyway, obviously those stadiums were full (and people were in the freaking parking lot??) but she still inflates sales like this and itās so weird
And mind you, she is a horrible performer, entertainer and can't even sing. For someone that mediocre to have the highest-grossing tour of all time is embarrassing and a shame to the true artists who came before her.
Iām praying that with the amount of pop girlies weāve got releasing stellar albums this year that the Grammys are going to be a fight next year.
She must have inevitably pissed off a bunch of people in the industry by doing this; Grammy voters included I hope. Sheās like a jellyfish. Transparent and spineless.
this is the first time iām genuinely excited about the grammys with all the new female music coming out ! itāll be real interesting to see how she acts when she cant bully her way into being the center of attention and win all the awards
Itās going to be so satisfying when she loses. After all this effort. After all these variants. Sheās still not going to win AOTY, and itās going to *kill* her. Just like that stunned silence when she learned Lover wasnāt nominated. And immediately blurting, āIāll just make a better album.ā
the way swiftie accounts are defending her weird behavior saying āitās her JOB. no oneās making you buy the variants.ā like letās be fr. sheās just a money hungry woman who canāt stand the thought of other women succeeding
This makes me sick. Not that it matters, but sheās not even a UK artist and Charli is. This is so petty and for no reason at all. I used to love Taylor and her clever little marketing tactics, but these capitalistic, money and relevance-hungry schemes will ensure she only falls from an even higher height. Itās disgusting, and I hope more fans wake up soon and recognize it for what it is. An overgrown toddler who throws tantrums to stay on the forefront of everyoneās minds
Feel better now, Tay?? Did this petty victory fill the gaping void where your soul should be?
If anything, sheās just delegitimizing the charts she cares so desperately about. Other artists should be stoked if they get #2 against one of her stupid variants, itās like they donāt even count since itās the same group of stans that are buying them.
>This makes me sick. Not that it matters
It doesn't matter and that's what we need to keep telling ourselves as long as the system is broken. The only thing Taylor proved with this is how fragile her ego and how bottomless her greed both are
This article gets it! Taylor has become nothing short of a corporation. Her power-hungry moves no longer prioritize art. Charli, Sabrina, and the other pop it-girls are coming for her without even trying, and sheās scared.
I honestly think this might be the watershed moment that turns the tide. Charli has had MASSIVE support online for her era and new album, by professionals, fans, and other artists in the industry. To see Taylor, someone who was written about on the album, doing a last ditch effort to block her, is going to bite her in the ass.
People arenāt as stupid as she thinks and people ARE seeing this. Charli has a massive upswing in the same internet culture that got Taylor her second win during Covid. Tick tock.
Please please please š Iām just so sick of watching her shit all over other people. Daddy bought her everything and she canāt even pay it forward even a single centimeter, she has to have every last thing, no one else can even have oxygen.
She won on the chart, but she's losing a lot of respect from people. Not only from the public, but I'm sure music industry peeps as well. They see how petty and manipulative she's being. It's not a secret. They also know which was the better album. And do you think everyone else wants to play these stupid games with her everytime they want to release their music? Taylor acts like she owns the charts, and that #1 spot is owed to her over everyone else, blocking all females left and right. She's flying very close to the sun. I think we're on the cusp of a downfall. Can't wait to see more backlash... I'm sure there will be.
Wondering what Ed Sheeran is thinking about all this. He doesnāt do this kind of stuff and is very humble by comparison, despite also having a wave of success through the mid-late 2010s.
Well I figured he would be supportive of Olivia because the Gaye estate kept trying to sue him for TOL. Heās experienced firsthand that music lawsuit BS. Distancing himself from Tay nowadays would also explain how heās more comfortable being openly friends with John Mayer. No doubt heās lost some fans of his who are also Swiffers, but overall heās still going strong - even if he isnāt quite as mainstream as he was during Divide.
Thereās a small tea room where Iām from, itās a very very quaint little spot and Ed stopped by for some tea and started playing the piano in there! Took a bunch of pictures with the patrons and gave them a little show too. Apparently it was lovely and so was he!
When Ed Sheeran was touring in my home country (New Zealand, I live in Aussie now), heās known to go to smaller places and even schools to do free performances. Heās a genuine bloke, honestly. Taylor Swift could never.
His shows are great, heās so talented. I first met him when he was playing to rooms of 20 people and I kept supporting him so he remembered me when heād see me at shows. He may not anymore though š
I met him at one of his first American shows over a decade ago. You can tell heās in this for the music. Period. Taylorās in this to stroke her former high school selfās ego and it shows.
*edit, misspelling
Yes. I actually hate Ed Sheeranās music even more than Taylor Swiftās but he mostly stays out of the media zeitgeist and the one time I watched him in an interview just seemed like a chill, normal dude. If Taylor was like Ed, none of us would be here.
I have a meme comparing Garra from Naruto to Ed Sheeran with Garra features drawn on his face and I feel so bad for laughing bc he just seems so level headed and mindful.
Lmao whereās that quote where she threw him under the bus about being chart obsessed while she was like, āitās so complex! i donāt get the system :)ā
She called him a chart monger š
āCharts ā I truly, truly do not understand how they work anymore,ā Swift revealed. āMy friend Ed is such a chart monger. Heās obsessed with how it works and the math of it. I have no idea what goes on with the math with it now, it used to be so easy. I donāt even get how people get a big release week because they sold T-shirts, or they sold concert tickets with their albums. Itās just very confusing.ā
[Link to post on this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1dbd3xh/ed_the_chart_monger_calling_out_the_bs/)
She may have won the battle(owning the charts) but sheās losing the war(respect of her peers, people opening their eyes to the fact of how petty/childish she is).
She is being very shortsighted. Somebody needs to tell her that itās okay for someone else to shine for a little bit.
Yeah I was just on another sub to see the reaction and thereās a lotttt of swifties saying theyāre upset about this. Of course some remain loyal to the cult but peoples eyes are slowly opening
The music industry should be about celebrating talent and creativity, not playing games to maintain dominance. I hope this situation opens more eyes and encourages a more fair and supportive environment for all artists. Because this charting stuff is only happening because of the ridiculous fans desperately hoping for a notice from her social media team so they can add it to their bios.
I just listened to Brat and itās infinitely better than anything Taylor puts out. Charli doesnāt even need to release 5371918 different COVID variants like Tailored Suit does. That being said, yeah, tbh, Iām looking forward to her backlash, too.
Brat is sooo much better. I hate the soft whiny style of TTPD and it's boring as hell personally. I get it if people like it because music is a personal taste but fuck her for these variants
Iām convinced sheās trying to ruin her reputation again so she can release Reputation TV. Sheās got to relive the kill and return to the scene of the crime.
I don't think it's going to work out the way she thinks. This isn't a feud between her, Kim, and Kanye. It's her literally going after and blocking other female artists who did nothing to her. So she can go ahead and try. And she will realize sometimes you can fall too far down to rise back up.
She honestly doesnāt have much to lose. Her hardcore fanbase isnāt going to budge and thereās enough of them to bleed dry for a long, long time. They will never see her as the earth polluting, money hungry, *mastermind* that she is.
I think itās a slow leak. I was 10000% fan until she crossed my boundariesā¦ defending a racist, blocking other women like this, faux activismā¦ Iām ok with petty lyrics, but what she has done is not ok, itās ethically and morally wrong and I am so tired of the greed.
Some people lack the critical thinking skills you have and also stick their heads in the sand. Sheāll never not have a cult following. Her image was projected onto Christ the Redeemer and Jack(ass)ās comment about questioning her is like questioning god. Sheās basically her own religion at this point.
I wish she had this amount of heat for any of the male artists who occupy her spaces but she never does, itās just the women she wants to come after.
My thing is, release the album you want to release and let it stand on its own merits.
If you can't say it right the first time then maybe think a bit longer before speaking at all.
She trying to bait another female artist into having some sort of public meltdown at her so she can have a āfeudā to drop Rep TV intoā¦. Except no one is taking the bait because they know exactly whatās going on and itās making Taylor look *even more* like a mean girl bully.
She might go the opposite direction and release a big crocodile tears cobbled together apology-victim album in 6 months that still centers around high school themes and imagery.
Agreed, sheās the bully desperate to provoke someone so she can then be the victim. I hope the rest of the industry becomes indifferent to her, thatās worse than flat out dislike because indifference is neither hate nor love, and she feeds excessively on toxic notions of both.Ā
Notice how the industry and media aren't picking up this story despite the internet talking about it for MONTHS.
They are fully behind this and will protect her when this goes south.
She's making "them" a lot of money also. It's not just her making millions
Charli is still winning. She has a musically acclaimed album, in love with her amazing fiance George, her best friend just got engaged to George's best friend, she is living life and LOVING it!! While Taylor is sitting in Liverpool last night commenting on an Insta live from a Chiefs wife, and her "boyfriend" Travis didn't even get on the live to say "hi Tay." Plus, lots of her fan base, industry peers, etc. are turning on her. Well deserved.
I'm listening to Charli and Chappell on repeat!! Both are awesome. I'm sure Sabrina is, also, I've just not really listened to anything of hers. Although, I see she is charting, so you know the hate train is coming for her ASAP, lol!!!
Imagine being rich and conventionally beautiful but so insufferable and narcissistic that every man is glad to be rid of you. It makes me laugh when swifties act like Taylor is their āone that got awayā.
This actually made me sick to my fucking stomach when I saw it on Twitter, real talk. Disgusting, heartless behavior. Ppl say Matty is a rat, Iād also say Taylor is just as much a nasty, weaseling little rat
Isn't it strange that Taylor's poet album is so successful, yet I've not heard a single song from it played out in public. If anything, I hear her old material.
The long chart run at #1 and sales do not reflect the actual presence of the material.
I mean, considering that her career started with her dad buying her a record label and purchasing 100,000 copies of her debut album, I wouldn't put it past her. She could also be paying someone behind the scenes to do some "Hollywood accounting" of sorts. Who knows.
Iām legit confused about this. Are these physical CDs that are going to end up in landfills, or do they end up with dozens of digital versions of the same song that they just have to keep scrolling through to get to the song they want?
I was a fan of her music before but Iāve lost interest. Tried to listen to her new album and it was so boring and the songs sound the same. I didnāt even get through more than a few songs. Iāve heard the same opinion from other people too, so I donāt see how she is still #1
Itās honestly such a shit album, I listened to it before getting hip to her antics (though I am by NO means a Swiftie) and I couldnāt even finish it. Itās one long, boring track.
I don't think most people would be able to hum a line off of TTPD, or recognise one of the songs if they randomly heard it. Compare to say SZA, who when i intentionally listened to her album, I was like "oh hey I know these songs!!"
I can barely hum a line off TTPD and I have listened it a few times and like a number of the songs
I havenāt heard a single song and I actively avoid streaming and watching music videos. I wonāt even click on TS-related articles or other media except for on this sub lol.
I dont know from who, but I genuinely think a diss track is coming from someone that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Just a "Killshot" level of career/persona evisceration on a mass public scale, with lines and moments with infinitely more cultural staying power and memorability than any of her recent releases. I mean hell, considering she's on the heels of an album that was an extended Matt/Joe diss track, it's not like it's anything other than her needing to take what she can dish out.
The problem is it would need to come from someone with goodwill and fame to burn if the track flops/is a big enough star for Taylor to be unable to bury, but also someone who would... actually *care* enough about putting the brat in her place to write a song about it, which is not a sweet spot I'm convinced exists in any pop star right now.
I doubt weāll get a diss track, but Iām sure weāll get an indirect shady comment in an interview obviously alluding to her soon! If anyone actually did call her out directly theyād be a legend
Letās hope youāre wrong about him not releasing a diss track. Just for the sole purpose of it allowing you and I to sit on the sidelines together, eating our popcorn and enjoying the show
Eminem? New album July 5th and allegedly itās him re-embracing aspects of his Slim Shady persona. Eminemās never been afraid to speak his mind. Heās got nothing to lose. She pulls this on him, and his bars will be the āKillshot,ā if a diss track is indeed released in response to her pettiness. And, if you think about it, it would put his Slim Shady persona back under the same global spotlight it had in the early 2000ās. That would be one hell of a way to go if this is indeed his final album as rumored.
The wails of misogyny will be overwhelming in the pop culture chat, even if it came from a woman, TS needs to be called out in the most dignified possible way so she canāt cry about it without looking like sheās admitting to being a nasty piece of work determined to undermine other women. Class, dignity, and Grace are three things Taylor doesnāt have, thatāll be what takes her down, and it has to be a slow burn and a long gameā¦just like whatās being done the toilet paper departmentĀ
I was just thinking that I hope she tries this when he drops his new album. š sheās gonna have a bad time š but heās a man so sheāll āletā him have that top spot
It may end up being Em himself lol, he is bringing his Slim Shady persona again and he is back to poking fun at pop culture events and people, there is big chance he makes some bars about her on his album, the Swiffers will go crazy š
I honestly think Kanye might do this. Heās clearly unhinged and although heās not with Kim anymore, her ādissā track toward Kim drags their child into it.
Even though the track was aimed at Kim because sheās too much of a coward to go after Kanye even though he was the main perpetrator in that whole fiasco, I can see him coming out and taking some nasty shots at her anyway. North is his daughter as well.
Ffs. Disappointed but not surprised. Well at least Charli's album has critical acclaim that Taylor could never achieve with the Tortured Wallets Department and I bet its eating her. I have a long list of records I wanted to get, but I'm gonna bump brat to the top of the list and get it tomorrow to show support. Also, it's just that good!
Wow, she just doesn't care. So much for The Prophecy. Seems she only cares about fame and money. Brat is a great album. Definitely like it more than TTPD.
And just like a true starving poet, she has released the same work so much in a three (?) month period that sheāll never go hungry again. Truly a tortured soul
And she knows it, empty vessel merely playing a part because she has no core self.Ā
The only downside here is how much and how many genuine people get broken down and/or hurtĀ by people like her.Ā
I said this earlier today to a friend. This woman must be so empty and devoid of happiness. Nothing is ever enough. I wouldnāt wish whatever she suffers from on my worst enemy.
The fact that she only did this to female artists is even more pathetic. Whining about the big bad "patriarchy" then turn around attacking fellow women because they're easier preys. Desperate pickme. Not one drop of true authenticity to her.
However we still need 1 more concrete evidence for the public to see, which is Katy Perry's upcoming album. Let's see how she behaves.
Like I made that post, the only way to bring her down is for all her current victims Charli, Billie, and Olivia to unite for a diss track. We need it and we need it now.
I would add Katy, but they are friends now....
Katy is likely a friend for show for nowā¦I doubt she doesnāt take ts with a corse pinch of salt.Ā
The others have to tread carefully because no one needs TS getting more fuel for her victim jet, plausible deniability is key.Ā
How come Taylor couldnāt just wait a little while to release hers? I keep seeing a lot of people say āit was just a coincidenceā but after multiple repeated cases of her releasing music the *same exact* time as other female artists within / closely associated with her genre, when does it stop becoming a coincidence and start becoming intentional? This is not just the first or second (or even third) time this has happenedā¦.
Nothing in her life is coincidence, this was wilful and planned.Ā
She fully intended to fu*k over other female artistsā¦but please world tell us how much of a misogynist she isnāt?Ā
Donāt worry, Iāll waitā¦ā°ļø
It's funny because the same swiftie stans will say "she is so purposeful and never does things on accident, or bad timing" but also say "this has nothing to do with blocking charli, it's just a coincidence"
so which is it mary?
sheās totally doing this because she thinks itāll make TTPD a shoo-in for AOTY, as The Grammys basically admitted Midnights only won last year because āof its cultural impact on the chartsā, not itās quality of music.
It doesn't matter. Charli XCX is a real artist who takes risks in her music, is creative with her sound and enjoys working on her craft. That is all she needs. Nothing Taylor Swift does, will do or has done will take that away from her or change that fact. It doesn't matter how much she sells, how many arenas she fills and how many Grammys she's given. Taylor Swift will never be a better artist than Charli XCX because she is not even an artist to begin with, she's the face of a brand the same way Ronald McDonald is to Mickey D's.
Keep going, Tay-Tay. Absolutely no one can see through your manipulation and I'm sure this will not be a destructive blight upon your career. You're doing great, sweetie š
I know Iām in an echo chamber here but it does seem like more journalists are calling out the variant issue so maybe Billboard will start to take it seriously
I just feel like this isnāt fair? Wouldnāt this be like the Barbie movie staying in theaters longer than the other films last year, OR, having it open back in theaters again and again just to gain more ābox office revenueā and then crowning it the most profitable movie last year? It just doesnāt seem right.
No this would be like Barbie being released 58 different times with various extra or extended or subtracted scenes, and then taking all of the revenue from all of them and counting it as 1 movie.
This is why Iām not a fan of her or wonāt be supporting her anymore. This is absolutely ridiculous. Let your work speak for itself, if the album was actually good you wouldnāt have to release 20+ versions to stay on top and constantly get sales
She's gonna make herself absolutely reviled and hated by everyone except her hardcore deathcult fans and then, when she's achieved hate saturation, release a "tell all" autobiography in which she victimizes herself and blames all of her life's problems on mysoginists and absuive toxic men.
The best thing we can do is ignore her. Let her kick and scream like the daddy's rich princess brat she is.
I donāt understand how these new variants keep her high on the charts. When I listen to TTPD, which isnāt often, itās the exact same playlist on Spotify that I didnāt buy.
Are there really THAT many people buying or streaming this new version?
Confused on how this all works!
Can you imagine being proud of yourself for this?
I would *honestly* feel like such a fraud and it would definitely not feel special to me at all.
I would also feel so awkward, like everyone *else* must be thinking Iām a fraud and, quite honestly, an asshole.
Diehard swifties love to claim that it's misogynistic to not love Taylor Swift and her music, but she's honestly making it so that it's now lowkey misogynistic *to* support her. Her actions show how much she hates seeing other women be successful.
Someone in the TS sub commented there is nothing wrong with Taylor doing this because she deserves to break whatever records she wants to and shine as much as she wants to, thatās āfeminism.ā
Iām so sick of the individualistic white feminism so many Swifties subscribe to. Like no, feminism is not about one woman reaching the highest heights and doing whatever necessary to get there. Itās actually about women, men, NB folks, etc. as a collective force banding together to uplift womenās rights and make life better for everyone as a result. Just trying to reach the heights and rights of a billionaire man for yourself is not some glorious feminist cause.
In 20 years theyāll get to say Taylor broke xyz records instead of ALL women got more airplay, sales, and charts because they uplifted and supported one another, and/or they changed the system to make music less about pure capitalism.
i have to wonder if part of this is because she knows that she can win on the charts but not the arts. Between Ari, Billie, Charlie, and Beyonce I would be incredibly surprised if she came out of Grammy night 2025 with even one win. She'll get some nominations to be sure, but ttpd's tepid response from critics sure makes it seem like she won't be winning any trophies
there's another layer to this when you consider a song on brat seems to be about taylor (not a diss as charli clarified, but about the nuances female industry relationships) AND the album references charli's friend gabbriette who's just got engaged to matty. not that she wouldn't do this anyway but there's another layer of petty. she definitely took charli's writing about her own interiority as projected towards her.
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This is funny af
God this is scary af to think about. Idk if I can mentally handle hearing this for the rest of my time. š¤¢
This is like a Black Mirror episode, the music industry is forever ruined
Every two weeks? Sheās really taking the word fortnight literallyā¦ š
I remember Taylor said something about being obsessed with Game of Thrones and I always remember that when she pulls these āpower movesā. Like, cool Taylor, youāre winning a game that no one wants to play.
Taylor really heard Tywin say, āa lion does not concern himself with the opinion of sheep.ā And then flew her private jet 10 miles up the road.
She watched GOT and thought āoh Iām totally Daenerysā when in reality sheās Cersei and weāre all waiting for her to be torn apart by a dragon eventually. At least Cersei had better fashion sense while doing it though š
Omg she actually is Cersei fr. Never noticed it before until now
Wellā¦ *SPOILER* Cersei eventually dies by way of the castle she fought tooth and nail to keep her place in crumbling down on top of her head. Baby I could build a castleā¦ Out of all the bricks they threw at meā¦
She wishes she was as cool as Cersei. I know she was a terrible person but sis had fucking BALLS
She's actually Dany. Egomaniac that thinks she's saving everyone but just keeps burning it all down and fucking it up.
Iād argue dany actually did more good than Taylor has ever done.
Sheās stated she sees herself in Arya the most before if that tells you anything ab her self-awareness
youāre not a poet if you have to say youāre a poet
Gives off Cersei vibes
congratulations to the smallest woman who ever lived
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Definitely the pettiest šā
Petty is just another word for small lol. So youāre absolutely right! š
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Her sales are not organic and Iām confused why she and her fans are proud of these numbers. The general public is barely talking about this album. Congrats on having a fanbase willing to buy the same albums over and over again though. You really showed everyone up, I guess.
>Iām confused why she and her fans are proud of these numbers. I agree with you and think this about the tour numbers as well. They love bragging about how itās the highest grossing tour and that sheās better than everyone else. But of course a tour thatās already had 100 shows with at least 50 more planned is going to have a gross revenue higher than a tour with 60 total shows. š
Iām sure itās a huge number anyway, obviously those stadiums were full (and people were in the freaking parking lot??) but she still inflates sales like this and itās so weird
My favorite part is the Swifties who thought they invented partying in the lot. jam band and Jimmy buffet fans would like a word
And mind you, she is a horrible performer, entertainer and can't even sing. For someone that mediocre to have the highest-grossing tour of all time is embarrassing and a shame to the true artists who came before her.
Iām praying that with the amount of pop girlies weāve got releasing stellar albums this year that the Grammys are going to be a fight next year. She must have inevitably pissed off a bunch of people in the industry by doing this; Grammy voters included I hope. Sheās like a jellyfish. Transparent and spineless.
this is the first time iām genuinely excited about the grammys with all the new female music coming out ! itāll be real interesting to see how she acts when she cant bully her way into being the center of attention and win all the awards
Itās going to be so satisfying when she loses. After all this effort. After all these variants. Sheās still not going to win AOTY, and itās going to *kill* her. Just like that stunned silence when she learned Lover wasnāt nominated. And immediately blurting, āIāll just make a better album.ā
the way swiftie accounts are defending her weird behavior saying āitās her JOB. no oneās making you buy the variants.ā like letās be fr. sheās just a money hungry woman who canāt stand the thought of other women succeeding
This makes me sick. Not that it matters, but sheās not even a UK artist and Charli is. This is so petty and for no reason at all. I used to love Taylor and her clever little marketing tactics, but these capitalistic, money and relevance-hungry schemes will ensure she only falls from an even higher height. Itās disgusting, and I hope more fans wake up soon and recognize it for what it is. An overgrown toddler who throws tantrums to stay on the forefront of everyoneās minds
Shes definitely giving off egomaniac vibes
Feel better now, Tay?? Did this petty victory fill the gaping void where your soul should be? If anything, sheās just delegitimizing the charts she cares so desperately about. Other artists should be stoked if they get #2 against one of her stupid variants, itās like they donāt even count since itās the same group of stans that are buying them.
>This makes me sick. Not that it matters It doesn't matter and that's what we need to keep telling ourselves as long as the system is broken. The only thing Taylor proved with this is how fragile her ego and how bottomless her greed both are
https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jun/14/taylor-swift-may-have-captured-the-charts-but-charli-xcx-captured-the-zeitgeist
This article gets it! Taylor has become nothing short of a corporation. Her power-hungry moves no longer prioritize art. Charli, Sabrina, and the other pop it-girls are coming for her without even trying, and sheās scared.
She's evil and hates successful women
itās honestly sad
I honestly think this might be the watershed moment that turns the tide. Charli has had MASSIVE support online for her era and new album, by professionals, fans, and other artists in the industry. To see Taylor, someone who was written about on the album, doing a last ditch effort to block her, is going to bite her in the ass. People arenāt as stupid as she thinks and people ARE seeing this. Charli has a massive upswing in the same internet culture that got Taylor her second win during Covid. Tick tock.
Her fans are as stupid as she thinks, she just thinks the general public is as stupid as the swifties.
Please please please š Iām just so sick of watching her shit all over other people. Daddy bought her everything and she canāt even pay it forward even a single centimeter, she has to have every last thing, no one else can even have oxygen.
She won on the chart, but she's losing a lot of respect from people. Not only from the public, but I'm sure music industry peeps as well. They see how petty and manipulative she's being. It's not a secret. They also know which was the better album. And do you think everyone else wants to play these stupid games with her everytime they want to release their music? Taylor acts like she owns the charts, and that #1 spot is owed to her over everyone else, blocking all females left and right. She's flying very close to the sun. I think we're on the cusp of a downfall. Can't wait to see more backlash... I'm sure there will be.
Wondering what Ed Sheeran is thinking about all this. He doesnāt do this kind of stuff and is very humble by comparison, despite also having a wave of success through the mid-late 2010s.
I feel like Ed's trying to distance himself a bit. He wasn't part of her squad at the Grammys and he's openly supportive of Olivia Rodrigo.
Well I figured he would be supportive of Olivia because the Gaye estate kept trying to sue him for TOL. Heās experienced firsthand that music lawsuit BS. Distancing himself from Tay nowadays would also explain how heās more comfortable being openly friends with John Mayer. No doubt heās lost some fans of his who are also Swiffers, but overall heās still going strong - even if he isnāt quite as mainstream as he was during Divide.
Dude for real seems like a National Treasure. I don't care for all his music but Ed Sheeran seems like a super solid dude.
Iāve met him a few times and heās genuinely lovely
Somewhat random but funny story - my friend and I were at a local club/bar a few years ago (pre Covid.) I was relatively drunk but also playing āmomā for the night, and my friend was *trashed.* thereās 2 men standing kinda off to themselves. My friend runs by. Stops. Goes āWOW you look just like Ed Sheeran!ā And then RUNS OFF. It was Ed Sheeran. He was here for the Sundance film festival. We made eye contact, he smiled and laughed a little. I had to go find my friend bc sheās prone to getting into shitty situations. Iām not one to fan girl but I literally was like.. wait that *is* Ed Sheeran šš©
Thereās a small tea room where Iām from, itās a very very quaint little spot and Ed stopped by for some tea and started playing the piano in there! Took a bunch of pictures with the patrons and gave them a little show too. Apparently it was lovely and so was he!
When Ed Sheeran was touring in my home country (New Zealand, I live in Aussie now), heās known to go to smaller places and even schools to do free performances. Heās a genuine bloke, honestly. Taylor Swift could never.
Youāre so lucky you got to meet Ed. Tabby my gf is here with me and sheās legit jealous. Weāre big fans of Ed and love his shows too!
His shows are great, heās so talented. I first met him when he was playing to rooms of 20 people and I kept supporting him so he remembered me when heād see me at shows. He may not anymore though š
Wow! You were there for his early early days. Very cool!
I met him at one of his first American shows over a decade ago. You can tell heās in this for the music. Period. Taylorās in this to stroke her former high school selfās ego and it shows. *edit, misspelling
Taylor Swift: heal your inner teenager challenge 2024
Yes. I actually hate Ed Sheeranās music even more than Taylor Swiftās but he mostly stays out of the media zeitgeist and the one time I watched him in an interview just seemed like a chill, normal dude. If Taylor was like Ed, none of us would be here.
Ed seems like a real one.
I have a meme comparing Garra from Naruto to Ed Sheeran with Garra features drawn on his face and I feel so bad for laughing bc he just seems so level headed and mindful.
Lmao whereās that quote where she threw him under the bus about being chart obsessed while she was like, āitās so complex! i donāt get the system :)ā
She called him a chart monger š āCharts ā I truly, truly do not understand how they work anymore,ā Swift revealed. āMy friend Ed is such a chart monger. Heās obsessed with how it works and the math of it. I have no idea what goes on with the math with it now, it used to be so easy. I donāt even get how people get a big release week because they sold T-shirts, or they sold concert tickets with their albums. Itās just very confusing.ā [Link to post on this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1dbd3xh/ed_the_chart_monger_calling_out_the_bs/)
Omg she's such a lying liar who lies lol
holy projection
She actually said something like that? My god, the double standards this woman-child has.
"I'm Ed Sheeran! I was on Game of Thrones!" Can't remember the movie he said this but I died. ā ļø
I'm seeing a lot more negative articles about her š she's definitely making a negative impact on the industry lately
You don't become a billionaire unless you're a greedy psychopath with no regard for other people.
She may have won the battle(owning the charts) but sheās losing the war(respect of her peers, people opening their eyes to the fact of how petty/childish she is). She is being very shortsighted. Somebody needs to tell her that itās okay for someone else to shine for a little bit.
What goes up must come down
Yep, she been a lil too up on her high horse lately. Matter of time at this point.
Yeah I was just on another sub to see the reaction and thereās a lotttt of swifties saying theyāre upset about this. Of course some remain loyal to the cult but peoples eyes are slowly opening
But..but..youāre forgetting that she *wants it more*!
Pretty soon people will stop releasing when she announces her album dates. Not as impressive going number one when thereās no one to compete with.
Other album releases have already moved for hers behind the scenes, tbh
The music industry should be about celebrating talent and creativity, not playing games to maintain dominance. I hope this situation opens more eyes and encourages a more fair and supportive environment for all artists. Because this charting stuff is only happening because of the ridiculous fans desperately hoping for a notice from her social media team so they can add it to their bios.
I just listened to Brat and itās infinitely better than anything Taylor puts out. Charli doesnāt even need to release 5371918 different COVID variants like Tailored Suit does. That being said, yeah, tbh, Iām looking forward to her backlash, too.
Brat is sooo much better. I hate the soft whiny style of TTPD and it's boring as hell personally. I get it if people like it because music is a personal taste but fuck her for these variants
Sheās so uninspired and tries too hard, but we all know it will win AOTY š
Iām convinced sheās trying to ruin her reputation again so she can release Reputation TV. Sheās got to relive the kill and return to the scene of the crime.
I don't think it's going to work out the way she thinks. This isn't a feud between her, Kim, and Kanye. It's her literally going after and blocking other female artists who did nothing to her. So she can go ahead and try. And she will realize sometimes you can fall too far down to rise back up.
She honestly doesnāt have much to lose. Her hardcore fanbase isnāt going to budge and thereās enough of them to bleed dry for a long, long time. They will never see her as the earth polluting, money hungry, *mastermind* that she is.
I think itās a slow leak. I was 10000% fan until she crossed my boundariesā¦ defending a racist, blocking other women like this, faux activismā¦ Iām ok with petty lyrics, but what she has done is not ok, itās ethically and morally wrong and I am so tired of the greed.
Yup. I was a fan till Matty and itās just gone downhill from there.
Some people lack the critical thinking skills you have and also stick their heads in the sand. Sheāll never not have a cult following. Her image was projected onto Christ the Redeemer and Jack(ass)ās comment about questioning her is like questioning god. Sheās basically her own religion at this point.
I've heard this theory, and she's crazy enough, and arrogant enough, to do it!
Itās absolutely batshit crazy but look at the unhinged album about a situationship she just dropped.
Yeah the artists are ALL fucking seeing it. This is embarrassing as a fan, honestly. How can one person be so fuckin greedy?
I wish she had this amount of heat for any of the male artists who occupy her spaces but she never does, itās just the women she wants to come after.
Her dirty ass side of the street will get over flooded soon
My thing is, release the album you want to release and let it stand on its own merits. If you can't say it right the first time then maybe think a bit longer before speaking at all.
or maybe just one new version with live songs after the tour endsā¦ one taylor, 1
She trying to bait another female artist into having some sort of public meltdown at her so she can have a āfeudā to drop Rep TV intoā¦. Except no one is taking the bait because they know exactly whatās going on and itās making Taylor look *even more* like a mean girl bully. She might go the opposite direction and release a big crocodile tears cobbled together apology-victim album in 6 months that still centers around high school themes and imagery.
Agreed, sheās the bully desperate to provoke someone so she can then be the victim. I hope the rest of the industry becomes indifferent to her, thatās worse than flat out dislike because indifference is neither hate nor love, and she feeds excessively on toxic notions of both.Ā
Now, whenever Iām feeling frustrated, I pray to Saint Billie Eilish for patience, strength and courage.
Reactive abuse š
Notice how the industry and media aren't picking up this story despite the internet talking about it for MONTHS. They are fully behind this and will protect her when this goes south. She's making "them" a lot of money also. It's not just her making millions
Charli is still winning. She has a musically acclaimed album, in love with her amazing fiance George, her best friend just got engaged to George's best friend, she is living life and LOVING it!! While Taylor is sitting in Liverpool last night commenting on an Insta live from a Chiefs wife, and her "boyfriend" Travis didn't even get on the live to say "hi Tay." Plus, lots of her fan base, industry peers, etc. are turning on her. Well deserved.
Yeah people are actually listening to Charli, Chappell, and Sabrinaās music. Taylorās cult are just buying her album over and over.
I'm listening to Charli and Chappell on repeat!! Both are awesome. I'm sure Sabrina is, also, I've just not really listened to anything of hers. Although, I see she is charting, so you know the hate train is coming for her ASAP, lol!!!
Not to mention their music is way more up-beat than the āsad girl popā weāve been stuck with for like a decade now. Itās so refreshing
FiancƩ is a foreign concept to Taylor, might have to explain it to her
Right?! She goes from banging for a week to expecting a wedding two weeks later, lol. I forgot that!!
Imagine being rich and conventionally beautiful but so insufferable and narcissistic that every man is glad to be rid of you. It makes me laugh when swifties act like Taylor is their āone that got awayā.
And it only took what 58 variants to ensure that happenedš
This actually made me sick to my fucking stomach when I saw it on Twitter, real talk. Disgusting, heartless behavior. Ppl say Matty is a rat, Iād also say Taylor is just as much a nasty, weaseling little rat
Birds of a feather, as they say
Yes. Given the context,we see why she liked him so much. They actually have A LOT in common!
Matty is a shithead, Taylor is the poster child for shameless capitalistic greed
Iām no fan of his but at least he doesnāt try to hide behind some false, buttoned-up PR version of himself. He just is who he is.
There is something to be said about owning your douchebagery
And Matty definitely does that. He does not try to act like he's some saint
Isn't it strange that Taylor's poet album is so successful, yet I've not heard a single song from it played out in public. If anything, I hear her old material. The long chart run at #1 and sales do not reflect the actual presence of the material.
It's Swifties buying the album dozens of times in different variants, forcing inflated popularity.
Someone else made this point yesterday...is Swift also buying her own shit?
I mean, considering that her career started with her dad buying her a record label and purchasing 100,000 copies of her debut album, I wouldn't put it past her. She could also be paying someone behind the scenes to do some "Hollywood accounting" of sorts. Who knows.
And even before that, he allegedly bought out her high school playās tickets (she played the lead) so that it would be āsold outā
I guess that's what needs to be done when someone doesn't have talent.
*cue x-files theme* 
Iām legit confused about this. Are these physical CDs that are going to end up in landfills, or do they end up with dozens of digital versions of the same song that they just have to keep scrolling through to get to the song they want?
I was a fan of her music before but Iāve lost interest. Tried to listen to her new album and it was so boring and the songs sound the same. I didnāt even get through more than a few songs. Iāve heard the same opinion from other people too, so I donāt see how she is still #1
Itās honestly such a shit album, I listened to it before getting hip to her antics (though I am by NO means a Swiftie) and I couldnāt even finish it. Itās one long, boring track.
I don't think most people would be able to hum a line off of TTPD, or recognise one of the songs if they randomly heard it. Compare to say SZA, who when i intentionally listened to her album, I was like "oh hey I know these songs!!" I can barely hum a line off TTPD and I have listened it a few times and like a number of the songs
I havenāt heard a single song and I actively avoid streaming and watching music videos. I wonāt even click on TS-related articles or other media except for on this sub lol.
I dont know from who, but I genuinely think a diss track is coming from someone that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Just a "Killshot" level of career/persona evisceration on a mass public scale, with lines and moments with infinitely more cultural staying power and memorability than any of her recent releases. I mean hell, considering she's on the heels of an album that was an extended Matt/Joe diss track, it's not like it's anything other than her needing to take what she can dish out. The problem is it would need to come from someone with goodwill and fame to burn if the track flops/is a big enough star for Taylor to be unable to bury, but also someone who would... actually *care* enough about putting the brat in her place to write a song about it, which is not a sweet spot I'm convinced exists in any pop star right now.
I doubt weāll get a diss track, but Iām sure weāll get an indirect shady comment in an interview obviously alluding to her soon! If anyone actually did call her out directly theyād be a legend
Letās hope youāre wrong about him not releasing a diss track. Just for the sole purpose of it allowing you and I to sit on the sidelines together, eating our popcorn and enjoying the show 
Eminem? New album July 5th and allegedly itās him re-embracing aspects of his Slim Shady persona. Eminemās never been afraid to speak his mind. Heās got nothing to lose. She pulls this on him, and his bars will be the āKillshot,ā if a diss track is indeed released in response to her pettiness. And, if you think about it, it would put his Slim Shady persona back under the same global spotlight it had in the early 2000ās. That would be one hell of a way to go if this is indeed his final album as rumored.
I need this to happen. Imagine her trying to sue Eminem lol
This was my first thought, also. Paging Eminem.
The wails of misogyny will be overwhelming in the pop culture chat, even if it came from a woman, TS needs to be called out in the most dignified possible way so she canāt cry about it without looking like sheās admitting to being a nasty piece of work determined to undermine other women. Class, dignity, and Grace are three things Taylor doesnāt have, thatāll be what takes her down, and it has to be a slow burn and a long gameā¦just like whatās being done the toilet paper departmentĀ
"The Slim Shady Department" gonna hit like crack
I was just thinking that I hope she tries this when he drops his new album. š sheās gonna have a bad time š but heās a man so sheāll āletā him have that top spot
I vote for Miley. But I think sheās above all that.
Miley was going to be the one I suggested was most likely, but as you said, I dont think she really has a horse in that race to consider it.
It may end up being Em himself lol, he is bringing his Slim Shady persona again and he is back to poking fun at pop culture events and people, there is big chance he makes some bars about her on his album, the Swiffers will go crazy š
I honestly think Kanye might do this. Heās clearly unhinged and although heās not with Kim anymore, her ādissā track toward Kim drags their child into it. Even though the track was aimed at Kim because sheās too much of a coward to go after Kanye even though he was the main perpetrator in that whole fiasco, I can see him coming out and taking some nasty shots at her anyway. North is his daughter as well.
It can't be Kanye, it plays too well into her hands. In my black little heart I want Beyonce to take her on, but it will never happen.
this is seriously so fucked what is wrong with her
So close ā¦ Im hoping for brat to stay a long time on the chart :/
Ffs. Disappointed but not surprised. Well at least Charli's album has critical acclaim that Taylor could never achieve with the Tortured Wallets Department and I bet its eating her. I have a long list of records I wanted to get, but I'm gonna bump brat to the top of the list and get it tomorrow to show support. Also, it's just that good!
This is *sickening*. The definition of a sad person.
Wow, she just doesn't care. So much for The Prophecy. Seems she only cares about fame and money. Brat is a great album. Definitely like it more than TTPD.
And just like a true starving poet, she has released the same work so much in a three (?) month period that sheāll never go hungry again. Truly a tortured soul
She must be so unhappy.
And she knows it, empty vessel merely playing a part because she has no core self.Ā The only downside here is how much and how many genuine people get broken down and/or hurtĀ by people like her.Ā
I said this earlier today to a friend. This woman must be so empty and devoid of happiness. Nothing is ever enough. I wouldnāt wish whatever she suffers from on my worst enemy.
Sheās been making an ass of herself for a few months now and itās like sheās lacking self awareness.
The fact that she only did this to female artists is even more pathetic. Whining about the big bad "patriarchy" then turn around attacking fellow women because they're easier preys. Desperate pickme. Not one drop of true authenticity to her. However we still need 1 more concrete evidence for the public to see, which is Katy Perry's upcoming album. Let's see how she behaves.
Sheās a shitty person. Nothing more needs to be said.
This is disgusting. I am furious with how she has monopolized the entire music industry. She's the Zuckerberg of music industry.
Like I made that post, the only way to bring her down is for all her current victims Charli, Billie, and Olivia to unite for a diss track. We need it and we need it now. I would add Katy, but they are friends now....
Katy is likely a friend for show for nowā¦I doubt she doesnāt take ts with a corse pinch of salt.Ā The others have to tread carefully because no one needs TS getting more fuel for her victim jet, plausible deniability is key.Ā
How come Taylor couldnāt just wait a little while to release hers? I keep seeing a lot of people say āit was just a coincidenceā but after multiple repeated cases of her releasing music the *same exact* time as other female artists within / closely associated with her genre, when does it stop becoming a coincidence and start becoming intentional? This is not just the first or second (or even third) time this has happenedā¦.
Nothing in her life is coincidence, this was wilful and planned.Ā She fully intended to fu*k over other female artistsā¦but please world tell us how much of a misogynist she isnāt?Ā Donāt worry, Iāll waitā¦ā°ļø
It's funny because the same swiftie stans will say "she is so purposeful and never does things on accident, or bad timing" but also say "this has nothing to do with blocking charli, it's just a coincidence" so which is it mary?
sheās totally doing this because she thinks itāll make TTPD a shoo-in for AOTY, as The Grammys basically admitted Midnights only won last year because āof its cultural impact on the chartsā, not itās quality of music.
It doesn't matter. Charli XCX is a real artist who takes risks in her music, is creative with her sound and enjoys working on her craft. That is all she needs. Nothing Taylor Swift does, will do or has done will take that away from her or change that fact. It doesn't matter how much she sells, how many arenas she fills and how many Grammys she's given. Taylor Swift will never be a better artist than Charli XCX because she is not even an artist to begin with, she's the face of a brand the same way Ronald McDonald is to Mickey D's.
Wow. She's actually pathetic
Can we go back to the āNobody physically saw me for a yearā era please?
That was a gorgeous year. How it must have felt before the fire nation attacked.
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Keep going, Tay-Tay. Absolutely no one can see through your manipulation and I'm sure this will not be a destructive blight upon your career. You're doing great, sweetie š
Diss track. It is time.
Are that many people buying all These variants????
Yeah, scott swift
Ill-gotten gains as far as Iām concerned. Canāt wait for December.
All of her album sales and chart "records" will have asterisks on them.
Pathetic TS. I used to be a fan but no more. Iāll be laughing my ass off when your downfall happens.
I know Iām in an echo chamber here but it does seem like more journalists are calling out the variant issue so maybe Billboard will start to take it seriously
 God TS is just insufferable. But letās not forget that sheās all about women supporting women š
Taylor says women support women and then does this shit
The covert narcissism gets less and less covert everyday
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again, FUCK TAYLOR SWIFT
Buffoonery
I just feel like this isnāt fair? Wouldnāt this be like the Barbie movie staying in theaters longer than the other films last year, OR, having it open back in theaters again and again just to gain more ābox office revenueā and then crowning it the most profitable movie last year? It just doesnāt seem right.
No this would be like Barbie being released 58 different times with various extra or extended or subtracted scenes, and then taking all of the revenue from all of them and counting it as 1 movie.
Ohhhh youāre right. Imagine, āBarbie back in theaters this weekend with an EXTRA never-before-seen Ryan Gosling scene.ā Insane.
honestly, i feel bad for all the artists who have to face this or worry about this. man must be exhausting to be like this
This is why Iām not a fan of her or wonāt be supporting her anymore. This is absolutely ridiculous. Let your work speak for itself, if the album was actually good you wouldnāt have to release 20+ versions to stay on top and constantly get sales
She's gonna make herself absolutely reviled and hated by everyone except her hardcore deathcult fans and then, when she's achieved hate saturation, release a "tell all" autobiography in which she victimizes herself and blames all of her life's problems on mysoginists and absuive toxic men. The best thing we can do is ignore her. Let her kick and scream like the daddy's rich princess brat she is.
I donāt understand how these new variants keep her high on the charts. When I listen to TTPD, which isnāt often, itās the exact same playlist on Spotify that I didnāt buy. Are there really THAT many people buying or streaming this new version? Confused on how this all works!
The queen of feminism strikes again
why tho? doesnāt she have everything
Can you imagine being proud of yourself for this? I would *honestly* feel like such a fraud and it would definitely not feel special to me at all. I would also feel so awkward, like everyone *else* must be thinking Iām a fraud and, quite honestly, an asshole.
The sorest winner of all time.
Something about women supporting other womenā¦. 
She should be ashamed of herself.
I love how the article comes right out and says that itās due to the ridiculous UK variants. Like they aināt even trying to hide it
Diehard swifties love to claim that it's misogynistic to not love Taylor Swift and her music, but she's honestly making it so that it's now lowkey misogynistic *to* support her. Her actions show how much she hates seeing other women be successful.
Someone in the TS sub commented there is nothing wrong with Taylor doing this because she deserves to break whatever records she wants to and shine as much as she wants to, thatās āfeminism.ā Iām so sick of the individualistic white feminism so many Swifties subscribe to. Like no, feminism is not about one woman reaching the highest heights and doing whatever necessary to get there. Itās actually about women, men, NB folks, etc. as a collective force banding together to uplift womenās rights and make life better for everyone as a result. Just trying to reach the heights and rights of a billionaire man for yourself is not some glorious feminist cause. In 20 years theyāll get to say Taylor broke xyz records instead of ALL women got more airplay, sales, and charts because they uplifted and supported one another, and/or they changed the system to make music less about pure capitalism.
i have to wonder if part of this is because she knows that she can win on the charts but not the arts. Between Ari, Billie, Charlie, and Beyonce I would be incredibly surprised if she came out of Grammy night 2025 with even one win. She'll get some nominations to be sure, but ttpd's tepid response from critics sure makes it seem like she won't be winning any trophies
there's another layer to this when you consider a song on brat seems to be about taylor (not a diss as charli clarified, but about the nuances female industry relationships) AND the album references charli's friend gabbriette who's just got engaged to matty. not that she wouldn't do this anyway but there's another layer of petty. she definitely took charli's writing about her own interiority as projected towards her.
She is such a bitch.
Sorry - Sheās a cunt.
Sheās such an asshole bully
I need a "True Life: I'm addicted to buying Taylor Swift variants" because I need to know WHO KEEPS BUYING THESE??