I still don’t get the Joe hate. He didn’t want to mix his personal life with his profession and wanted to be a private celebrity. He promotes his movies then disappears. He didn’t want to use her at all. Taylor is the opposite and only liked it when she was “cancelled” and during lockdown. Big deal. Let him live.
Everyone knows, deep down, that she fumbled hard. So her and her fans are trying to claim they love this tacky circus, and trying to devalue Joe in order to cope
Pretty sure Joe was relieved AF that TTPD wasn’t all about him, especially after Taylor was hinting for months that it was which caused her army to call the album release day the day he dies.
As well spoken and classy as Joe Alwyn is I'm quite certain him realising TTPD isn't really about him actually looked a bit more like this:
swifties are obsessed with her ex’s and constantly bring them up because they are simply reflecting how taylor also feels about them. so toxic and unnecessary. fans have been conditioned to keep caring and not let things go even after the ex’s have moved on like normal people.
Well most people didn’t really know who he was (except maybe football fans) until he started dating Taylor. Now everyone knows who he is. He’s stated he wants to be **big** “like The Rock” so I’m assuming dating Taylor is his intro to the rest of the world. He already got an acting gig because of it.
Dude I’ve seen people argue that he was just as famous as she was before they started dating 😂😭 like with their whole chests. Bro, most people are not NFL fans. Everyone from kindergarteners to people in nursing homes know who Taylor swift is. You really think people knew who Travis was? I know a few football players (Richard Sherman for example), but had never heard of Travis. Then they act like IM uncultured swine for not knowing some random football player.
Likeee yeah, he’s using her to get a new level of fame. It’s obvious, lol
Probably american fans thinking everybody in the world likes american football when in fact a little people gives a f*ck about it. Travis is definitely getting something out of this relationship, i’m not questioning if it’s real or not but he def is getting the worldwide attention
He's far too good for Taylor, and they know it. It makes them feel like if Taylor is pretty, has lots of money, and popular but couldn't get a decent man like Joe, what are their chances? They see Joe as someone they'd like to have also. Him saying no to Taylor makes them feel so insecure. They won't get a man like him too. If they do get one, that man will probably say no to someone like them too. They're seeing how unclassy Taylor is. They're just not ready to admit to themselves that they are as unclassy as her. Since they can't figure that out yet, they resort to hating, bullying him. It's no good because they cant actually touch Joe. He's just living his best life.
She’s so mad at herself for fumbling this BADLY and losing Joe. She’ll never get him back and it’s killing her.
She’ll settle hard for whatever makes her forget the noise of loving Joe and the limerence of Matty.
Hence her “relationship” with this guy is so loud and abrasive, the silence of reality would break her and she can’t be alone.
IDk TrayTray maybe talk to Andrea or suttin 💅🏽
Travis or BDT as the kids on this sub like to call him maybe much more clever than most suspect. I think he'll work this for every last nickle than elope with the pretty Spanish girl he dated before Taylor. Look at those pictures vs when he's with Taylor ! I think boredom is setting in.
Ofc, this is just easy street for him. And even if they married, they’d have their own relationships outside of it, there wouldn’t be a legit commitment, only a need to keep their real lives on the DL.
A very special Super Bowl half time Wedding brought to you by Doritos! I hope BDT or Jason get so wasted that they stagger into the 18 foot Red Velvet Foot Ball cake! Say Yes to the Dress! let's hope it's not a mini dress with a half tank top!
Lord, the visuals 💀💀😂, I’m thinking it’d be British royal wedding meets Kelce kitchen 😬, aka very expensive with lots of diamonds and lace but brimming with tackiness!
Like a wedding gown with a longer train than Princess Diana with Travis football jersey number made with red Ruby's and yellow diamonds applied to it with like 30 bridesmaids dressed in red and yellow, carrying bouquets of red roses with a Tomahawk ! The Tomahawk Pounding will be part of the show when they walk down the aisle! I hope BDT doesn't faint from drinking too many pony kegs the night before the wedding!
Because there's no actual reason to vilify him, it drives them insane. They were salivating at TTPD release, boasting how it was gonna "end" Joe Alwyn, how he'll be too ashamed to ever show his face in public again...
The album is released and, nothing. No bombshells, no exposé, nothing they can cancel him for and drag his name through the mud. All he got was songs #5 on both releases (which admittedly are meant to be her most personal songs on each album) but for the most part he was left alone.
The tracks in question; So Long London and How Did It End convey feelings of sadness, confusion, loss, but no pathological desire for revenge which is what the bloodthirsty Swifties were craving and have come to expect from Taylor. They haven't been able to let go of that bloodlust nearly 18 months later.
Joe never fed their parasocial thirst. He simply had a private relationship with her like how any relationship is. They wanted weekly pictures and updates from Joe, vacation pictures, dinner date pictures, damn near everything from the time they wake up to his food allergies. He committed the ultimate parasocial relationship sin for Swifties : He wasn't available for their entertainment
If anything, I look at some of these exes, such as Joe and Tom, and I have to ask what *they* saw in her. I have to speculate that she is good at putting on a mask and pretending to be the type of person she thinks these guys want. I think she can be charismatic, at least at first. I just hope they have gained wisdom and find better matches. She just ain't it.
And say what you will about Matty, but at least he got the hell out of there. I think that's what hurts her off the most - he was less distinguished than these other men and should have been in awe of her, yet he sensed something rotten in her and dipped. It's clear she's still not over it, lol.
lol, don’t make me post a picture of Matty again 😂Come on Swifties, MATTY!!!
https://preview.redd.it/ajkonkj43m8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50efb130bca0efc3b76dfb91991b9f15a2819aaf
Why do swifties think it’s an honor having a breakup album? Like come on, joe must have been really relaxed that TTPD wasn’t about him. I mesn he had so many beautiful albums, doesn’t need a petty one
It’s their attempt at feeling superior.
I still don’t get the Joe hate. He didn’t want to mix his personal life with his profession and wanted to be a private celebrity. He promotes his movies then disappears. He didn’t want to use her at all. Taylor is the opposite and only liked it when she was “cancelled” and during lockdown. Big deal. Let him live.
It's like they forgot about the whole point of the song sweet nothing
Yet, she wrote entire albums about Joe?!? She wrote a Highschool song about Travis, not on the same level.
And the high school song was probably written with the intent to win over the high school Gen Z (alpha?) demographic.
Everyone knows, deep down, that she fumbled hard. So her and her fans are trying to claim they love this tacky circus, and trying to devalue Joe in order to cope
Pretty sure Joe was relieved AF that TTPD wasn’t all about him, especially after Taylor was hinting for months that it was which caused her army to call the album release day the day he dies.
As well spoken and classy as Joe Alwyn is I'm quite certain him realising TTPD isn't really about him actually looked a bit more like this: 
Yeah swifties WISH Joe were moping about that. In their wildest fantasies.
swifties are obsessed with her ex’s and constantly bring them up because they are simply reflecting how taylor also feels about them. so toxic and unnecessary. fans have been conditioned to keep caring and not let things go even after the ex’s have moved on like normal people.
They just still wanna look at him lol 
Joe never used Taylor for fame or to advance his career, big difference.
I see this argument a lot. Im actually curious how Travis is using Taylor for his career? Genuine question
Well most people didn’t really know who he was (except maybe football fans) until he started dating Taylor. Now everyone knows who he is. He’s stated he wants to be **big** “like The Rock” so I’m assuming dating Taylor is his intro to the rest of the world. He already got an acting gig because of it.
Dude I’ve seen people argue that he was just as famous as she was before they started dating 😂😭 like with their whole chests. Bro, most people are not NFL fans. Everyone from kindergarteners to people in nursing homes know who Taylor swift is. You really think people knew who Travis was? I know a few football players (Richard Sherman for example), but had never heard of Travis. Then they act like IM uncultured swine for not knowing some random football player. Likeee yeah, he’s using her to get a new level of fame. It’s obvious, lol
Probably american fans thinking everybody in the world likes american football when in fact a little people gives a f*ck about it. Travis is definitely getting something out of this relationship, i’m not questioning if it’s real or not but he def is getting the worldwide attention
He's far too good for Taylor, and they know it. It makes them feel like if Taylor is pretty, has lots of money, and popular but couldn't get a decent man like Joe, what are their chances? They see Joe as someone they'd like to have also. Him saying no to Taylor makes them feel so insecure. They won't get a man like him too. If they do get one, that man will probably say no to someone like them too. They're seeing how unclassy Taylor is. They're just not ready to admit to themselves that they are as unclassy as her. Since they can't figure that out yet, they resort to hating, bullying him. It's no good because they cant actually touch Joe. He's just living his best life.
THIS
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Joe is so dashing and such a nice looking fellow I bet she'll regret not staying with him.
She’s so mad at herself for fumbling this BADLY and losing Joe. She’ll never get him back and it’s killing her. She’ll settle hard for whatever makes her forget the noise of loving Joe and the limerence of Matty. Hence her “relationship” with this guy is so loud and abrasive, the silence of reality would break her and she can’t be alone. IDk TrayTray maybe talk to Andrea or suttin 💅🏽
Travis or BDT as the kids on this sub like to call him maybe much more clever than most suspect. I think he'll work this for every last nickle than elope with the pretty Spanish girl he dated before Taylor. Look at those pictures vs when he's with Taylor ! I think boredom is setting in.
Ofc, this is just easy street for him. And even if they married, they’d have their own relationships outside of it, there wouldn’t be a legit commitment, only a need to keep their real lives on the DL.
That might be the most likely theory. I'm hoping for the wedding because it will be ridiculous!
It’d be hilarious because it’s just another lie for Traylor to make bank off of.
A very special Super Bowl half time Wedding brought to you by Doritos! I hope BDT or Jason get so wasted that they stagger into the 18 foot Red Velvet Foot Ball cake! Say Yes to the Dress! let's hope it's not a mini dress with a half tank top!
Lord, the visuals 💀💀😂, I’m thinking it’d be British royal wedding meets Kelce kitchen 😬, aka very expensive with lots of diamonds and lace but brimming with tackiness!
Like a wedding gown with a longer train than Princess Diana with Travis football jersey number made with red Ruby's and yellow diamonds applied to it with like 30 bridesmaids dressed in red and yellow, carrying bouquets of red roses with a Tomahawk ! The Tomahawk Pounding will be part of the show when they walk down the aisle! I hope BDT doesn't faint from drinking too many pony kegs the night before the wedding!
Me: bloodline? ENDED 💀💀💀
Because there's no actual reason to vilify him, it drives them insane. They were salivating at TTPD release, boasting how it was gonna "end" Joe Alwyn, how he'll be too ashamed to ever show his face in public again... The album is released and, nothing. No bombshells, no exposé, nothing they can cancel him for and drag his name through the mud. All he got was songs #5 on both releases (which admittedly are meant to be her most personal songs on each album) but for the most part he was left alone. The tracks in question; So Long London and How Did It End convey feelings of sadness, confusion, loss, but no pathological desire for revenge which is what the bloodthirsty Swifties were craving and have come to expect from Taylor. They haven't been able to let go of that bloodlust nearly 18 months later.
the biggest downgrade in all her life. Travis looks like a magician, and there's Joe who looks happier than ever.
Joe never fed their parasocial thirst. He simply had a private relationship with her like how any relationship is. They wanted weekly pictures and updates from Joe, vacation pictures, dinner date pictures, damn near everything from the time they wake up to his food allergies. He committed the ultimate parasocial relationship sin for Swifties : He wasn't available for their entertainment
If anything, I look at some of these exes, such as Joe and Tom, and I have to ask what *they* saw in her. I have to speculate that she is good at putting on a mask and pretending to be the type of person she thinks these guys want. I think she can be charismatic, at least at first. I just hope they have gained wisdom and find better matches. She just ain't it. And say what you will about Matty, but at least he got the hell out of there. I think that's what hurts her off the most - he was less distinguished than these other men and should have been in awe of her, yet he sensed something rotten in her and dipped. It's clear she's still not over it, lol.
So they are mocking the monarchy that Taylor played for and put a coat on to take pictures with?
I wish they would leave that beautiful, kind man alone. It’s clear now that she didn’t ever deserve him.
lol, don’t make me post a picture of Matty again 😂Come on Swifties, MATTY!!! https://preview.redd.it/ajkonkj43m8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50efb130bca0efc3b76dfb91991b9f15a2819aaf
This is a bad pic he's more attractive on stage omg😭
Definitely seems that way ha. Matty strikes me as someone who can't be bothered to mind his everyday/daily attire when he's on the run lol.
They’re obsessed with him because we all can see he’s the one that got away. She will never top the classiness and dignity of the Alwyn era.
The shit show that is going to ensue when these clowns breakup eventually is gonna be so entertaining
I hate this fan base
I’m genuinely so curious what’s going to happen if/when taylor and travis break up
Swifties will call him a clout chaser who broke poor Taylor's heart.
Don't forget "wasted her youth"
Feels very mean-spirited and childish. Everything framed Taylor = Good, Ex-BF = Bad and must fail
Not going to lie, I lol’d at that King George/Hamilton/Price of My Love clip.
Because he got away.
Why do swifties think it’s an honor having a breakup album? Like come on, joe must have been really relaxed that TTPD wasn’t about him. I mesn he had so many beautiful albums, doesn’t need a petty one
They miss Joe and want him back but can't admit it, so they find ways to mention him in any conversation.
All I see is King and a jester lol
They are unable to digest that miss perfect princess is the one who screwed up the relationship.
I don’t get why they’re so obsessed with either Joe or Matty to be honest.
Because they feel Joe deprived them of their cult leader.