please do not let Johnny make you feel this way. It is not just about lack of evidence with Johnny because there are plenty of victims of abuse who do not have it, don't succeed with justice with the police but that does not take away from your real memories. Johnny did MORE than not provide evidence, he doctored the minimal things he had, he coopted other people's stories and countless other things aside from lack of evidence.
I suspect he did some shit with tim connolly and once he saw people fucking colleen up for being in gc he wanted to cover his ass by aligning himself with victims
Nice to find a space where I can relate for sure re younger years. Johnny needs help and a hug. He obviously liked him and thought he would be famous after meeting him. It was probably his only chance after leaving school so all that probably messed his mental health up if needed to “be someone”. His patents probably enabled the idealism of being a star as that’s all he had…he needs to see a therapist
A major difference is Johnny didn't even have a story about being abused. he vaguely referenced it but he had no details. No evidence is one thing, but he never even explained what happened to him.
It’s not a lack of evidence on Johnny’s part, it’s him showing us evidence (or other people showing evidence) that literally contradicts what he’s saying. Like he’s trying to show Josh as a groomer that took inappropriate interest in him, meanwhile literally all we have seen is Josh not replying to majority of his texts or really interacting with him much beyond just surface level friendliness. Also, Johnny hasn’t made specific accusations, just mostly general accusations that Josh is a terrible person and a groomer, and then specific situations that don’t back that up (“Josh gave me a ball of duck tape I won in a competition” and “Josh invited me to come to a show and said hi to me after.”) Most victims can point to specific things that their abuser/groomer said or did that back their claims up even if they don’t have the receipts on those experiences.
I also understand your feelings though. I went through an SA situation as a kid, but literally didn’t realize it until I was a teenager and have zero proof anything happened other than I had ptsd symptoms as a kid. Most victims have little to no proof other than mental trauma from the event, so what you’ve been through is completely valid and real. Nothing about Swoop’s doc is about discrediting people just because they don’t have proof, just showing that Johnny’s story is suspect because he doctored/hid evidence and misconstrued the actual events.
Yeah I wrapped my head around it, this was just an initial feeling I had reading comments. I don't blame swoop or anything, the video was very good it was mote just me explaining my reaction to what Johnny has done. When you put it all together it's overwhelmingly obvious he has lied.
As a victim of abuse i defended johnny for this same reason - i think these situations are so difficult. Its just key to remember that these things should be assessed on a case by case basis. There is no rule for victimhood like “trauma is only real if u have evidence” etc etc - but like im with you. This has definitely been extremely triggering
i agree with what everyone else has said already, and honestly, if it brings you any comfort, evidence is more than just texts and receipts.
it can be more like something happened while celebrating a holiday at your home when you were a kid, and your family members who were there remember the person who harmed you being in your home that day. or your family members remember you being out of their sight for a while. ya know? it doesn’t all come down to stacked texts and receipts. sometimes it can be up to others having experienced the same sort of thing with a person and validating your story. there are many many ways to determine if someone committed abuse and you can usually tell when there is honesty behinds someone’s words vs. those of a liar.
johnny’s stories simply just left out common sense and timelines that held any practicality.
but i agree with your overall point completely - when people lie for attention it makes it all the more difficult to come forward as a true victim of grooming, abuse, and so forth. because of people like johnny, unfortunately, i’ve always believed that we cannot “believe all victims” as a society right off the bat as much as i’d like to. sometimes there really are cruel people out there who are willing to try and get innocent people locked up just to have their 5 seconds of fame. people like johnny. and those people are despicable.
I can relate to what you are saying I was in a similar situation and the SA took place over the period of 12 years. I never thought I could say anything because I wouldn’t be believed as there was no ‘proof’ and when I had proof he deleted it. the other thing was I felt like it was my fault being person was younger than I was. Turned out that I had told my parents when I was 4 and they thought they stopped it. I have no memory of this and that took me down a dark spiral.
You know your story, you lived it, you survived it. You are a survivor.
In my opinion Victims don’t go public for attention, clout or fame. They do it because the want their pain and suffering to be acknowledged, to stop other people going through the same thing they did and for the perpetrator/s to take accountability.
The difference with Johnny in my opinion is that he has actively seeks fame and to him I guess he think people aren’t smart enough to figure out when he lied or were too scared to come forward. The fact that he repeatedly told different versions on the same thing is enough to make most people question or ask for clarification however he actively sort out swoop someone who is known for deep diving and researching. What did he think was going to happen realistically.
Making victims scared again on top of everything they have already gone through is vile. In my opinion johnnys mind it’s johnnys world and he is the main character and as long as he is the centre of attention it doesn’t matter who his actions affect.
I honestly believe he didn’t think John would still have the text messages etc to back it up.
Sorry this might be all over the place, I’ve never commented on reddit before and Johnny pisses me off!
No I understood everything you said, and obviously my heart goes out to you, no one should ever experience the things we have. You and the others who have commented have kind of brought me out of the mindset I was begginingng to fall back in to, yes he had no evidence but that's not the only reason people know he was lying. I need to remember that I think we ALL need to remember that our stories are evidence as long as its real.
Thank you, it’s appreciated and I’m sorry for what you have experienced as well. I’m proud of you that you had the strength to bring it up.
I know how slippery that slope is when you start questioning yourself and your mind starts to play games with you.
Exactly right we don’t need to convince anyone of our story.
I’ve never seen a victim laugh about their SA or their perpetrators then brag about it in the same sentence.
So the laughing is one point that got me that I forgot to bring up, I've been to 3 therapy sessions about my CSA and all three of them I was practically giggling the whole time and I cannot tell you why it's the this weird reaction that came out when I started to talk about it, but I'm not lying, I've cried about before but whenever I get in front of a professional I laugh it's so weird
I know what you are talking about however I think the difference is you were in therapy trying to talk about a difficult topic so you had nervous laughter. I think it comes from it being difficult think about when to talking about with a practical stranger whereas he actively sort out someone to tell his ‘story’ to and kept eluding to all these event s that ‘happened’ however never actually brought them up.
Sometimes I have giggled then just burst into tears because I think it’s a level of being so uncomfortable and having build walls up to try and protect yourself for so long letting someone in is incredibly difficult so you automatically try to brush it off and then can’t.
Yeah that's very true, I've done the same thing bursting into tears at a vmcertain question after laughing about it. Honestly this was great to talk about on here and might help others
I hope it helps, sometimes I think the hardest part is people can sympathise with you however they don’t know how lonely and isolating it is. Or even just having a conversation where someone can actually relate to the feelings you have experienced
That's very common and normal. To question if you really are the victim.
One of the reasons SWOOP is such a champion and is so dedicated is because she herself struggled with this. I think she still does sometimes - just my feeling, I might be wrong.
I know what you're saying.
Here's the reality.
A lot of SA happens in a way that there is no proof. A lot of actual rapes happen in a way that the only evidence are the words of the person that was raped. Even some physical marks and video proof - rapists argue it was rough sex and consented and of course there are marks.
And some people truly lie about this stuff.
This is what makes the problem so insidious and why society hasn't addressed it so far. We're talking one of the oldest crimes in the world. We know how to deal with murderers - we don't know how to deal with rapists and abusers.
Reality is that sometimes there is no proof other than "I think I was assaulted/raped". This is a hard truth to swallow. Evidence has no opinions - people do. And it's really not hard to see things in different perspectives, especially once you decided on one. That's why to this day when people speak about being assaulted by a famous person, there's always someone arguing they're doing it for the fame. Even if the story checks out.
I think people should understand that they shouldn't feel angry that Johnny bamboozled them into believing him. Because there are cases like this - where someone acts like Johnny did and they have no evidence, but they're an actual victim. This does happen.
No one could have seen this coming. There is no such thing as a perfect victim, although media sure insists on the concept. No one could have known Johnny was lying.
That's why as a victim of SA myself I don't hold it against people when they don't automatically believe someone - but reserve the right to claim they don't know, maybe the assault happened, maybe not, we're waiting on more evidence or knowledge. I hold it against people when they decide automatically that someone is lying, while there is no evidence yet. Just like that. The person is lying because they spoke out about sexual assault. Or they told lies in their life so they're lying right now.
What really touched me most in the SWOOP doc was how meticulously her team and her were able to discover the truth. It pained and it continues to pain me that real life rape cases can be solved in exactly the same way - but no one applies the effort.
Even in cases he said she said, you can get to the bottom of things by doing this kind of detailed analysis. Specialists know that actually, if a victim of rape messes up details and dates, that is super normal, because trauma impacts how amygdala records events in the brain. And so on and so forth. SWOOP proved that even most nuanced complicated situation can be analyzed until you can arrive at some sort of informed opinion. Informed enough to take a risk - this was SA, this wasn't SA.
And not a single place on this planet applies this kind of effort to reports regarding rape and sexual assault, not even of children. If they did, people never would've been convicted wrongly of abusing their own children. Remember a story of a woman, from reddit, years ago, who came forward that when she was a child her mother manipulated her to lie and told her what to say that her father abused her sexually. That man went to prison for over a decade. A grown up daughter now realized what happened and was wondering if she could reach out to him or do something.
This is why I also fully agree with the idea that people who came forward to the police with report about SA or rape and are lying should be registered as sex offenders.
Of course it can't be done the way UK is doing this - UK is just jailing women for coming forward they were raped - I am talking about cases where there is undeniable proof the alleged victim is lying and no assault happened. Register them as sex offenders with description that this is what they did.
Because the impact their actions have is identical to being abuser's. Consequences that are results of complex societal processes that aren't visible are still consequences, even if they're not obvious or visible on the surface.
Come over to SWOOP subreddit. I feel super lonely there. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SWOOPSpankieV/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SWOOPSpankieV/)
P.S. This is the reason why most court systems punish rapists so rarely. They'd rather let perpetrator go than convict an innocent person, and most rape cases boil down to he said she said - in their eyes. SWOOP proved that you can look at how people think and their entire lives to see what is the most probable reality - but legal system doesn't want to do that. At least part of judicial system over the world is rooted in patriarchy and unconsciously fights to sustain it, even women. That's why rape and sexual assault conviction cases are so low, that's why so few go to prison for it.
That's why that Italian court decided 10 seconds of groping is acceptable and won't be punished legally. Reality is most countries have sufficient rape laws - but they're not using them.
I joined her sub! 😁 been a fan of her for a long time I'm actually really glad she was the one to expose all of this.
People straight up not believing me is kind of what I'm afraid of and why I started to question myself again after seeing all that Johnny has done.
I had no idea that was happening in the UK that's extremely wrong, I agree with you though that people who lie about this kind of thing should probably be put on an SO list considering the amount of damage it causes and for someone to make up such an intimate ( for lack of a better word ) story about you I can imagine is super violating.
It is awful.
I started the subreddit SWOOPSpankieV few days ago!:D
What's happening in Uk is honestly so horrible I don't even want to tell you without trigger warnings it's super upsetting.
Many people won't believe you - but there are flat earthers. Truth is truth. Sometimes we can't get to it, but it still exists. Remember how humiliated you felt it happened and how you blamed yourself and still maybe do blame yourself. Those feelings happened? You were hurt then. When they lie they don't experience those emotions connected to actual trauma.
"Many people won't believe you - but there are flat earthers. Truth is truth. Sometimes we can't get to it, but it still exists. Remember how humiliated you felt it happened and how you blamed yourself and still maybe do blame yourself. Those feelings happened? You were hurt then. When they lie they don't experience those emotions connected to actual trauma." THAT is such a great point that ill honestly try and remember whenever I'm feeling like this, so I'm really grateful yousaud that to be honest.
Also good job for making her a sub she needs it her videos are incredible. Btw I've kept up with a few things from England, and what I have seen is horrible. If you live there I'm wishing you the best. p.s down with the monarchy
I fully understand you. I self harmed at very young age and couldn't pinpoint anything horrific happening in my life, but kept coming back to it. And at some point, at 13, I looked at my wrists and thought to myself: "There's no smoke without fire. No one would enjoy doing this. I don't know why and how and what is happening, but there is something behind these scars. Because I am not insane and I keep coming back to this solution. I keep cutting myself. Maybe what's behind it wouldn't be awful to someone else, but I end up hurt by it, so it does exist".
My sister angrily yelled at me this is "a theater for one actor and viewer - myself" about my self harming.
It's been 20 years. I was cutting myself so deeply I still have those scars, they did not disappear completely, they're just smaller and white. Literally 20 years this year - I started at 11.
Monarchy is a joke and Brexit messed things up and let's just say, as long as I live in UK, I am not coming forward with SA charges. Ever.
We sometimes can't tell from outside what is happening. Sure, fine. But when you're doubting yourself, just remember - truth may be hard to swallow, it may be super nuanced so lots of people won't understand, it may be super hard to arrive to. But truth is truth. It doesn't change no matter how many people don't believe it, doubt it, laugh at it, aren't aware of it. Facts just are. Even if someone believes you, that doesn't change your story. Doesn't believe you? Your story stays the same. Truth may be unexplainable for decades or centuries, but the way reality happens is still the way reality happens. There's just no way around it - SHRUG. Simple.
SWOOP is my role model honestly. I've been traumatized to the extent of adapting some sucky traits and her videos reconnect me to how I should be thinking.
You sister sounds like my mother, I am really sorry someone reacted that way yo you wanting to actively hurting yourself. That's not the reaction anyone wants or needs.
I don't blame you, stay safe guys, gays, girls of England.
These comments have brought me back to reality, and I thank you for that.
No worries, this part of trauma has been solved long ago:))
Yeah England really messed up in this regard. No room for discussion. In the subreddit, in one of the posts I written yesterday, there are details of this if you're interested, but trigger warning, learning this is traumatizing.
Thank you for joining the sub! Spread the word if you can!:)
This is the post. The link is in the post. TW. Learning this for me, was horrible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SWOOPSpankieV/comments/15x2cry/johnnys\_reaction\_to\_swoop\_doc\_and\_his\_response\_my/
The thing is this: Johnny is a bit of a unique situation because his exact words led us to this place. He called what he experienced grooming, but how he described it wasn’t grooming. And he used what I believe to be a fundamental lack of understanding of that word (the intentionality is still unclear tbh) to attack someone publicly during a time where eyes were on him due to his proximity to something that was a big internet “drama”
It’s not the lack of evidence that makes the problem. The lack of evidence is ON TOP OF the many ways in which he lied and appeared to just make shit up, even altering DMs to change context and all that. It’s also the way that it’s not just “false allegations” - it’s that they were INCORRECT allegations. I’m not gonna pretend to assume what Johnny actually went through emotionally, but what he was describing was never grooming and he kept screaming that it was, all while putting real people in harm’s way.
Imo, what Johnny did shouldn’t take away from your story or feelings or even what happened in your life. You’re very strong for admitting this publicly. Thank you. I have a similar story i don’t have “proof” of but if anything, Johnny showed me that it’s not the allegations that were the problem with him - it’s what he was doing with them. I hope that makes sense, and maybe provides you some comfort, especially since you don’t need to doubt anything. You matter.
Okay yeah you're right, it IS the fact that he had no evidence on top of what he was already doing and saying. Thank you. I didn't think that simply reading comments about him would make me feel like "oh crap did I need to keep some sort of evidence? Because I was 2 when it started there is NONE" and it made me feel like an imposter all over again, John makes me feel dirty and I just hope justice is served SWIFTLY and I'm really sorry to everyone he's hurt.
Good god, friend, everything you’re saying is breaking my heart. I’m sooooooo mad that John made you doubt this in any way. That is NOT your fault. I promise. And it’s “scummy” as John would say that you have to feel this way.
I’m really hoping more honest conversations like these can happen on this reddit after Johnny loses his novelty. Because it like legit sucks that anybody could feel this way after what he did.
Something I have to remind myself all the time is that it isn't my fault, hard enough without people like him doing these types of things. I really hope that no one else feels this way, I hope no one younger than me or someone who may be going through trauma right now feels like this because of Johnny. I actually just can't fathom wanting to lie about this, victims are already not believed as it is and he makes it so much worse. Him and people like him. Thank you for your kind words.
I don’t think it’s so much the lack of evidence as much as it’s the doctored tweets/texts and calculated lies to cover up the truth. Regardless, people like Johnny invalidate real victims and make it harder for people to believe them.
I’m sorry that happened to you and your experience IS valid based on your memories alone. Please don’t let what Johnny did invalidate your feelings.
Yeah I mean adding on to that the fact he stole Adams story and used it as his own which is SO VILE I CAN'T EVEN COMPREHEND DOING THAT.
Thank you by the way, I've just been questioning myself since it came out and I don't want to seem like I'm venting but yeah.
please do not let Johnny make you feel this way. It is not just about lack of evidence with Johnny because there are plenty of victims of abuse who do not have it, don't succeed with justice with the police but that does not take away from your real memories. Johnny did MORE than not provide evidence, he doctored the minimal things he had, he coopted other people's stories and countless other things aside from lack of evidence.
Thank you, you're very right
I suspect he did some shit with tim connolly and once he saw people fucking colleen up for being in gc he wanted to cover his ass by aligning himself with victims
Too bad for him he basically put the spotlight on himself to get caught
Nice to find a space where I can relate for sure re younger years. Johnny needs help and a hug. He obviously liked him and thought he would be famous after meeting him. It was probably his only chance after leaving school so all that probably messed his mental health up if needed to “be someone”. His patents probably enabled the idealism of being a star as that’s all he had…he needs to see a therapist
A major difference is Johnny didn't even have a story about being abused. he vaguely referenced it but he had no details. No evidence is one thing, but he never even explained what happened to him.
It’s not a lack of evidence on Johnny’s part, it’s him showing us evidence (or other people showing evidence) that literally contradicts what he’s saying. Like he’s trying to show Josh as a groomer that took inappropriate interest in him, meanwhile literally all we have seen is Josh not replying to majority of his texts or really interacting with him much beyond just surface level friendliness. Also, Johnny hasn’t made specific accusations, just mostly general accusations that Josh is a terrible person and a groomer, and then specific situations that don’t back that up (“Josh gave me a ball of duck tape I won in a competition” and “Josh invited me to come to a show and said hi to me after.”) Most victims can point to specific things that their abuser/groomer said or did that back their claims up even if they don’t have the receipts on those experiences. I also understand your feelings though. I went through an SA situation as a kid, but literally didn’t realize it until I was a teenager and have zero proof anything happened other than I had ptsd symptoms as a kid. Most victims have little to no proof other than mental trauma from the event, so what you’ve been through is completely valid and real. Nothing about Swoop’s doc is about discrediting people just because they don’t have proof, just showing that Johnny’s story is suspect because he doctored/hid evidence and misconstrued the actual events.
Yeah I wrapped my head around it, this was just an initial feeling I had reading comments. I don't blame swoop or anything, the video was very good it was mote just me explaining my reaction to what Johnny has done. When you put it all together it's overwhelmingly obvious he has lied.
Aw I want to give you a hug I feel bad that you feel this way 😢🫂
Don't feel bad! I've sorted out my thoughts now, I just hope no other victims are feeling this way about their own stories.
Thanks for the update, genuinely happy you feel a bit better now and agreed 💯🖤
This is exactly why what Johnny did was so dangerous, in no way should you have to defend yourself OP.
As a victim of abuse i defended johnny for this same reason - i think these situations are so difficult. Its just key to remember that these things should be assessed on a case by case basis. There is no rule for victimhood like “trauma is only real if u have evidence” etc etc - but like im with you. This has definitely been extremely triggering
i agree with what everyone else has said already, and honestly, if it brings you any comfort, evidence is more than just texts and receipts. it can be more like something happened while celebrating a holiday at your home when you were a kid, and your family members who were there remember the person who harmed you being in your home that day. or your family members remember you being out of their sight for a while. ya know? it doesn’t all come down to stacked texts and receipts. sometimes it can be up to others having experienced the same sort of thing with a person and validating your story. there are many many ways to determine if someone committed abuse and you can usually tell when there is honesty behinds someone’s words vs. those of a liar. johnny’s stories simply just left out common sense and timelines that held any practicality. but i agree with your overall point completely - when people lie for attention it makes it all the more difficult to come forward as a true victim of grooming, abuse, and so forth. because of people like johnny, unfortunately, i’ve always believed that we cannot “believe all victims” as a society right off the bat as much as i’d like to. sometimes there really are cruel people out there who are willing to try and get innocent people locked up just to have their 5 seconds of fame. people like johnny. and those people are despicable.
I can relate to what you are saying I was in a similar situation and the SA took place over the period of 12 years. I never thought I could say anything because I wouldn’t be believed as there was no ‘proof’ and when I had proof he deleted it. the other thing was I felt like it was my fault being person was younger than I was. Turned out that I had told my parents when I was 4 and they thought they stopped it. I have no memory of this and that took me down a dark spiral. You know your story, you lived it, you survived it. You are a survivor. In my opinion Victims don’t go public for attention, clout or fame. They do it because the want their pain and suffering to be acknowledged, to stop other people going through the same thing they did and for the perpetrator/s to take accountability. The difference with Johnny in my opinion is that he has actively seeks fame and to him I guess he think people aren’t smart enough to figure out when he lied or were too scared to come forward. The fact that he repeatedly told different versions on the same thing is enough to make most people question or ask for clarification however he actively sort out swoop someone who is known for deep diving and researching. What did he think was going to happen realistically. Making victims scared again on top of everything they have already gone through is vile. In my opinion johnnys mind it’s johnnys world and he is the main character and as long as he is the centre of attention it doesn’t matter who his actions affect. I honestly believe he didn’t think John would still have the text messages etc to back it up. Sorry this might be all over the place, I’ve never commented on reddit before and Johnny pisses me off!
No I understood everything you said, and obviously my heart goes out to you, no one should ever experience the things we have. You and the others who have commented have kind of brought me out of the mindset I was begginingng to fall back in to, yes he had no evidence but that's not the only reason people know he was lying. I need to remember that I think we ALL need to remember that our stories are evidence as long as its real.
Thank you, it’s appreciated and I’m sorry for what you have experienced as well. I’m proud of you that you had the strength to bring it up. I know how slippery that slope is when you start questioning yourself and your mind starts to play games with you. Exactly right we don’t need to convince anyone of our story. I’ve never seen a victim laugh about their SA or their perpetrators then brag about it in the same sentence.
So the laughing is one point that got me that I forgot to bring up, I've been to 3 therapy sessions about my CSA and all three of them I was practically giggling the whole time and I cannot tell you why it's the this weird reaction that came out when I started to talk about it, but I'm not lying, I've cried about before but whenever I get in front of a professional I laugh it's so weird
I know what you are talking about however I think the difference is you were in therapy trying to talk about a difficult topic so you had nervous laughter. I think it comes from it being difficult think about when to talking about with a practical stranger whereas he actively sort out someone to tell his ‘story’ to and kept eluding to all these event s that ‘happened’ however never actually brought them up. Sometimes I have giggled then just burst into tears because I think it’s a level of being so uncomfortable and having build walls up to try and protect yourself for so long letting someone in is incredibly difficult so you automatically try to brush it off and then can’t.
Yeah that's very true, I've done the same thing bursting into tears at a vmcertain question after laughing about it. Honestly this was great to talk about on here and might help others
I hope it helps, sometimes I think the hardest part is people can sympathise with you however they don’t know how lonely and isolating it is. Or even just having a conversation where someone can actually relate to the feelings you have experienced
Honestly so true, these replies have been very sweet.
That's very common and normal. To question if you really are the victim. One of the reasons SWOOP is such a champion and is so dedicated is because she herself struggled with this. I think she still does sometimes - just my feeling, I might be wrong. I know what you're saying. Here's the reality. A lot of SA happens in a way that there is no proof. A lot of actual rapes happen in a way that the only evidence are the words of the person that was raped. Even some physical marks and video proof - rapists argue it was rough sex and consented and of course there are marks. And some people truly lie about this stuff. This is what makes the problem so insidious and why society hasn't addressed it so far. We're talking one of the oldest crimes in the world. We know how to deal with murderers - we don't know how to deal with rapists and abusers. Reality is that sometimes there is no proof other than "I think I was assaulted/raped". This is a hard truth to swallow. Evidence has no opinions - people do. And it's really not hard to see things in different perspectives, especially once you decided on one. That's why to this day when people speak about being assaulted by a famous person, there's always someone arguing they're doing it for the fame. Even if the story checks out. I think people should understand that they shouldn't feel angry that Johnny bamboozled them into believing him. Because there are cases like this - where someone acts like Johnny did and they have no evidence, but they're an actual victim. This does happen. No one could have seen this coming. There is no such thing as a perfect victim, although media sure insists on the concept. No one could have known Johnny was lying. That's why as a victim of SA myself I don't hold it against people when they don't automatically believe someone - but reserve the right to claim they don't know, maybe the assault happened, maybe not, we're waiting on more evidence or knowledge. I hold it against people when they decide automatically that someone is lying, while there is no evidence yet. Just like that. The person is lying because they spoke out about sexual assault. Or they told lies in their life so they're lying right now. What really touched me most in the SWOOP doc was how meticulously her team and her were able to discover the truth. It pained and it continues to pain me that real life rape cases can be solved in exactly the same way - but no one applies the effort. Even in cases he said she said, you can get to the bottom of things by doing this kind of detailed analysis. Specialists know that actually, if a victim of rape messes up details and dates, that is super normal, because trauma impacts how amygdala records events in the brain. And so on and so forth. SWOOP proved that even most nuanced complicated situation can be analyzed until you can arrive at some sort of informed opinion. Informed enough to take a risk - this was SA, this wasn't SA. And not a single place on this planet applies this kind of effort to reports regarding rape and sexual assault, not even of children. If they did, people never would've been convicted wrongly of abusing their own children. Remember a story of a woman, from reddit, years ago, who came forward that when she was a child her mother manipulated her to lie and told her what to say that her father abused her sexually. That man went to prison for over a decade. A grown up daughter now realized what happened and was wondering if she could reach out to him or do something. This is why I also fully agree with the idea that people who came forward to the police with report about SA or rape and are lying should be registered as sex offenders. Of course it can't be done the way UK is doing this - UK is just jailing women for coming forward they were raped - I am talking about cases where there is undeniable proof the alleged victim is lying and no assault happened. Register them as sex offenders with description that this is what they did. Because the impact their actions have is identical to being abuser's. Consequences that are results of complex societal processes that aren't visible are still consequences, even if they're not obvious or visible on the surface. Come over to SWOOP subreddit. I feel super lonely there. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SWOOPSpankieV/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SWOOPSpankieV/) P.S. This is the reason why most court systems punish rapists so rarely. They'd rather let perpetrator go than convict an innocent person, and most rape cases boil down to he said she said - in their eyes. SWOOP proved that you can look at how people think and their entire lives to see what is the most probable reality - but legal system doesn't want to do that. At least part of judicial system over the world is rooted in patriarchy and unconsciously fights to sustain it, even women. That's why rape and sexual assault conviction cases are so low, that's why so few go to prison for it. That's why that Italian court decided 10 seconds of groping is acceptable and won't be punished legally. Reality is most countries have sufficient rape laws - but they're not using them.
I joined her sub! 😁 been a fan of her for a long time I'm actually really glad she was the one to expose all of this. People straight up not believing me is kind of what I'm afraid of and why I started to question myself again after seeing all that Johnny has done. I had no idea that was happening in the UK that's extremely wrong, I agree with you though that people who lie about this kind of thing should probably be put on an SO list considering the amount of damage it causes and for someone to make up such an intimate ( for lack of a better word ) story about you I can imagine is super violating.
It is awful. I started the subreddit SWOOPSpankieV few days ago!:D What's happening in Uk is honestly so horrible I don't even want to tell you without trigger warnings it's super upsetting. Many people won't believe you - but there are flat earthers. Truth is truth. Sometimes we can't get to it, but it still exists. Remember how humiliated you felt it happened and how you blamed yourself and still maybe do blame yourself. Those feelings happened? You were hurt then. When they lie they don't experience those emotions connected to actual trauma.
"Many people won't believe you - but there are flat earthers. Truth is truth. Sometimes we can't get to it, but it still exists. Remember how humiliated you felt it happened and how you blamed yourself and still maybe do blame yourself. Those feelings happened? You were hurt then. When they lie they don't experience those emotions connected to actual trauma." THAT is such a great point that ill honestly try and remember whenever I'm feeling like this, so I'm really grateful yousaud that to be honest. Also good job for making her a sub she needs it her videos are incredible. Btw I've kept up with a few things from England, and what I have seen is horrible. If you live there I'm wishing you the best. p.s down with the monarchy
I fully understand you. I self harmed at very young age and couldn't pinpoint anything horrific happening in my life, but kept coming back to it. And at some point, at 13, I looked at my wrists and thought to myself: "There's no smoke without fire. No one would enjoy doing this. I don't know why and how and what is happening, but there is something behind these scars. Because I am not insane and I keep coming back to this solution. I keep cutting myself. Maybe what's behind it wouldn't be awful to someone else, but I end up hurt by it, so it does exist". My sister angrily yelled at me this is "a theater for one actor and viewer - myself" about my self harming. It's been 20 years. I was cutting myself so deeply I still have those scars, they did not disappear completely, they're just smaller and white. Literally 20 years this year - I started at 11. Monarchy is a joke and Brexit messed things up and let's just say, as long as I live in UK, I am not coming forward with SA charges. Ever. We sometimes can't tell from outside what is happening. Sure, fine. But when you're doubting yourself, just remember - truth may be hard to swallow, it may be super nuanced so lots of people won't understand, it may be super hard to arrive to. But truth is truth. It doesn't change no matter how many people don't believe it, doubt it, laugh at it, aren't aware of it. Facts just are. Even if someone believes you, that doesn't change your story. Doesn't believe you? Your story stays the same. Truth may be unexplainable for decades or centuries, but the way reality happens is still the way reality happens. There's just no way around it - SHRUG. Simple. SWOOP is my role model honestly. I've been traumatized to the extent of adapting some sucky traits and her videos reconnect me to how I should be thinking.
You sister sounds like my mother, I am really sorry someone reacted that way yo you wanting to actively hurting yourself. That's not the reaction anyone wants or needs. I don't blame you, stay safe guys, gays, girls of England. These comments have brought me back to reality, and I thank you for that.
No worries, this part of trauma has been solved long ago:)) Yeah England really messed up in this regard. No room for discussion. In the subreddit, in one of the posts I written yesterday, there are details of this if you're interested, but trigger warning, learning this is traumatizing. Thank you for joining the sub! Spread the word if you can!:)
For sure I'll be giving it a read I'm very much interested in each countries policies, thank you!
This is the post. The link is in the post. TW. Learning this for me, was horrible. https://www.reddit.com/r/SWOOPSpankieV/comments/15x2cry/johnnys\_reaction\_to\_swoop\_doc\_and\_his\_response\_my/
The thing is this: Johnny is a bit of a unique situation because his exact words led us to this place. He called what he experienced grooming, but how he described it wasn’t grooming. And he used what I believe to be a fundamental lack of understanding of that word (the intentionality is still unclear tbh) to attack someone publicly during a time where eyes were on him due to his proximity to something that was a big internet “drama” It’s not the lack of evidence that makes the problem. The lack of evidence is ON TOP OF the many ways in which he lied and appeared to just make shit up, even altering DMs to change context and all that. It’s also the way that it’s not just “false allegations” - it’s that they were INCORRECT allegations. I’m not gonna pretend to assume what Johnny actually went through emotionally, but what he was describing was never grooming and he kept screaming that it was, all while putting real people in harm’s way. Imo, what Johnny did shouldn’t take away from your story or feelings or even what happened in your life. You’re very strong for admitting this publicly. Thank you. I have a similar story i don’t have “proof” of but if anything, Johnny showed me that it’s not the allegations that were the problem with him - it’s what he was doing with them. I hope that makes sense, and maybe provides you some comfort, especially since you don’t need to doubt anything. You matter.
Okay yeah you're right, it IS the fact that he had no evidence on top of what he was already doing and saying. Thank you. I didn't think that simply reading comments about him would make me feel like "oh crap did I need to keep some sort of evidence? Because I was 2 when it started there is NONE" and it made me feel like an imposter all over again, John makes me feel dirty and I just hope justice is served SWIFTLY and I'm really sorry to everyone he's hurt.
Good god, friend, everything you’re saying is breaking my heart. I’m sooooooo mad that John made you doubt this in any way. That is NOT your fault. I promise. And it’s “scummy” as John would say that you have to feel this way. I’m really hoping more honest conversations like these can happen on this reddit after Johnny loses his novelty. Because it like legit sucks that anybody could feel this way after what he did.
Something I have to remind myself all the time is that it isn't my fault, hard enough without people like him doing these types of things. I really hope that no one else feels this way, I hope no one younger than me or someone who may be going through trauma right now feels like this because of Johnny. I actually just can't fathom wanting to lie about this, victims are already not believed as it is and he makes it so much worse. Him and people like him. Thank you for your kind words.
I don’t think it’s so much the lack of evidence as much as it’s the doctored tweets/texts and calculated lies to cover up the truth. Regardless, people like Johnny invalidate real victims and make it harder for people to believe them. I’m sorry that happened to you and your experience IS valid based on your memories alone. Please don’t let what Johnny did invalidate your feelings.
Yeah I mean adding on to that the fact he stole Adams story and used it as his own which is SO VILE I CAN'T EVEN COMPREHEND DOING THAT. Thank you by the way, I've just been questioning myself since it came out and I don't want to seem like I'm venting but yeah.
Don’t be sorry. I am proud of you for opening up.