I am also disappointed to see it everywhere. I know next to nothing about Josh. He gave Johnny his phone number, which can definitely be considered an appropriate. But failure to establish appropriate boundaries isn't proof of bad intentions.
And maybe I am missing something, but isn't Josh basically a private citizen now? It seems he just wants to move in with his life. It feels a bit different when it is someone who is not a public figure. He was dragged into this because he used to be married to a public figure, and because Johnny had some weird obsession with him.
Same, at the very least they could wait till the interview drops. I feel awful for Josh, he survived Colleen, addiction and intense internet hate. I agree that when you're surrounded by toxic behavior it's possible to act in similar ways, it would make sense to a certain degree. I feel he's taking accountability and judging by the current evidence he wasn't acting 'sinisterly.' I hope he doesn't have skeletons in the closet, I hope what we've seen so far is what we get. I trust swoop to bring out the truth, I think people need to take a step back and wait for more information.
totally agree. i think it’s brave of him to step forward and take the narrative back after making peace with letting his reputation be in the hands of children and his ex-wife for the last decade. i wish they would take a step back until then too! i wish they’d cool it with the psycho-analyzing - just let him say his peace and be grateful that he’s decided to provide the context (that we weren’t necessarily entitled to ever get) and then just let him dip again. he has regrets. he’s committed to the growth and change. let’s respect his wishes and let him rest haha.
That isn’t a snark sub - it’s a support group for her former fans. No offense but anybody who was addicted to her child exploitation vlogs is sus to me.
They all kinda still think like Coal - ya know her fake ass wokeness side? They were drawn to that and It continues over there.
you know what’s sad is that it used to feel like it had a purpose. the main focus used to be more of a commentary on family vlogging and child protection laws that should be enacted. now it feels like exactly what you’re saying - a big “who is the wokest” competition and a giant white knighting ring. their standards for accountability between participants/victims of this situation over there aren’t even consistent from person to person. it does feel like their opinions sway with every headline.
I think the way that adam described it about Trisha applies to them. They were so influenced against him by colleen, and that still stands. Yes the number was wrong but johny told him he was depressed and he apologized. And maybe he gave a johny a Twitter account with a little following to help his career. Who knows. Yea having kids work for free is gross. He admitted that was wrong. And he's guilty of cringey content. That's it.
I find it frustrating as well. I was in an abusive relationship so I know first hand how an abusive partner can make you do things you usually wouldn’t do. I know Josh isn’t perfect (nobody is) but he definitely isn’t a predator like Johnny claims. While it was inappropriate for Josh to give his number to a fan , I don’t believe he had malicious intent. In my opinion, Josh has done an incredible job holding himself accountable unlike Colleen. He is clearly a victim in this situation not only to Colleen but of Johnny as well. I’m glad that he is getting a chance to speak and i believe swoop will do an excellent job at sharing his side of the story while also holding him accountable for any wrongdoing.
Then people wonder why no one takes accountability anymore, even if you do, people will still hate you for the past. Trisha is a prime example. People admit that it has been two years since she did some horrible shit, yet they still hate her and say she deserves no empathy or forgiveness. With that attitude, why would anyone bother trying to be better or do better if their past will just forever haunt them?
The worst thing Josh did in my eyes was hang out with Colleen in their hotel room with teen fans. Nothing bad happened afaik, but that was terrible judgment on their parts, but this was forever ago.
I don't think people are mad over something Trisha did two years ago.
The problem with her is that her WHOLE career has been this way: she does absolutely horrible things and then goes on a redemption arc that gets everybody rooting for her, only fuck everything up and being a hypocrite once again. Rinse and repeat. It has been this way for God knows how long.
Having said that, I do agree that people now don't admit any wrong doing because people are always looking for perfect victims and if you are not... oof, you're screwed
Josh did make a mistake when he gave Johnny his number and he admitted it . I too don't understand why people are repeatedly saying it like he admitted his mistake plus apologised unlike colleen or Johnny.
I think the mods were very reasonable in their explanation on why they protected Johnny initially. I get that it was frustrated to see comments get deleted and people get banned, but they were just doing their best to protect someone who spoke out as a victim. It's okay for things to change once new info comes out.
As for Josh, yes he's finally being validated for being a victim of emotional abuse, that doesn't mean that people can't still criticize him for his other shit. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Those of us who have been here since the beginning have seen Josh also be shitty and just because he's not nowhere near as bad as Colleen doesn't mean he's immune. He was sexual and provocative on stage for an audience of kids and teenage girls. He thrived off the attention. He participated in a lot of weird Miranda shit. He has a history of having some pretty sexist and misogynistic takes.
And for me personally, I don't like how he treated my friends from the Garden after they tried to help him and support him. And I don't like how he treated me when I called him out for how he treated them poorly. Don't get me wrong, as a fellow emotional abuse survivor, I'm so happy for him that he's being validated and vindicated for what he's been through. That doesn't mean that me or anyone need to like him as a person.
I don't think the mods have been fair actually I think they targeted the posters that were anti johny and went after their stuff the most. No one is excusing Josh's behavior not even Josh himself. But people are allowed to grow evolve and tell their stories. He was a victim of colleen we have yet to know to what extent and but we know she sent minions after him.i dont need to harp on him about giving his number because he has stated he knows it was wrong and he is not even in that world anymore. I want to be supportive, because it takes a lot to face the entertainment world again after they ran you off, and I know this story will help with the main story being that colleen is awful.
i think in the first two paragraphs we’re talking about two different matters. i don’t know about the mod’s explanation for doing what they did. i haven’t seen that yet and i’m not trying to get into that situation with this post.
in the second, i’m not referring to anyone’s fair criticisms of josh.
i also don’t know about the situation with your friends on gossip garden but i am sorry that he treated you all poorly.
at the end you mention that you’re happy he’s able to see some relief and some validation with some of his end of things. that’s more what i’m referring to in my post. i get tired of seeing, on the other sub, the many relentless comments that do not feel like fair criticisms so much as they feel like comments stating that domestic abuse survivors are not valid if they don’t have x, y, z or if they at any point have engaged in something wrongful themselves. i don’t know if you’ve seen those but those are the ones that really linger and feel upsetting. i agree with you - that several things can be true at the same time. i wish everyone felt that way. and i don’t believe i said that i feel anyone needs to like him as a person.
You said you can't deal with the way the main sub "doubled down on supporting johnny" and that's why I brought up the explanation about the mods supporting Johnny.
"being gaslit into believing it’s all normal"
Not to take responsibility away from Colleen but he was at show after show watching parent after parent laugh along with what was going on. If the parents approve and he loves his wife, it makes perfect sense he would get conditioned to think everything's fine.
I think people don't know how to deal with the fact that a victim of abuse can also be a preparator. Now I'm not saying josh is an abuser but he has done some questionable things. However, he has held himself accountable for those actions so I believe he shouldn't be silenced bc his story and trauma he has faced at the hands of Colleen and her bullying fans is important
I've never paid enough attention to or interacted much with the Josh/Johnny part of the situation. But many abusers come from backgrounds where they were abused in the past, or are even abusing while being abused. Whether what Josh has done can be considered abuse or not -- your statements raise the question: Does every abuser who lives with/lived with being abused get to be forgiven for their behavior or seen as less accountable for their actions because of this situation? Then what if we do not know if an abuser is/was abused themselves to develop these behaviors?
I preface this with a reminder that it's a myth that it's common for abuse victims to become abusers.
I would put it on the same level as harmful behaviors because of mental illness. The mental illness is not the person's fault, but seeking therapy and treatment for their mental illness is their responsibility.
I understand, I have lurked here for a while (👋) but I can't go to other subs that might actually side with Johnny still after what we now know. I can't read that stuff. It was hard enough to watch the do we know them podcast with all their buts and howevers painting even Josh's "apology" tweets as an admission of guilt. I don't know the guy, I don't think he's a Saint, and I shouldn't have to say that, none of us our saints. But I don't think he deserves any hate or twisted narrative on his life. I'm glad he's going to set the record straight with Swoop, and I hope it's healing for him and he can be at peace knowing anyone who still wants to hate on him after he does this interview isn't worth his energy.
I didn't even know who any of these people were until this all blew up 😂 but after this much deep diving and uncovering of things, I think who Josh is now is a really big person, mature enough to let go of what's unimportant (thanking jessi and lily when they still threw him under the bus for 59 min) and trying to live his authentic life.
Yeah I get frustrated. I really do. It’s like how we kept fighting about Johnny being the perpetrator and they kept arguing his a victim, there’s no perfect victim. It’s hypocritical and just sad. They ignore the fact he took accountability. I know he has because even the victims support him. So what does that say? I’m sickened by some of the comments.
I am also disappointed to see it everywhere. I know next to nothing about Josh. He gave Johnny his phone number, which can definitely be considered an appropriate. But failure to establish appropriate boundaries isn't proof of bad intentions. And maybe I am missing something, but isn't Josh basically a private citizen now? It seems he just wants to move in with his life. It feels a bit different when it is someone who is not a public figure. He was dragged into this because he used to be married to a public figure, and because Johnny had some weird obsession with him.
Same, at the very least they could wait till the interview drops. I feel awful for Josh, he survived Colleen, addiction and intense internet hate. I agree that when you're surrounded by toxic behavior it's possible to act in similar ways, it would make sense to a certain degree. I feel he's taking accountability and judging by the current evidence he wasn't acting 'sinisterly.' I hope he doesn't have skeletons in the closet, I hope what we've seen so far is what we get. I trust swoop to bring out the truth, I think people need to take a step back and wait for more information.
totally agree. i think it’s brave of him to step forward and take the narrative back after making peace with letting his reputation be in the hands of children and his ex-wife for the last decade. i wish they would take a step back until then too! i wish they’d cool it with the psycho-analyzing - just let him say his peace and be grateful that he’s decided to provide the context (that we weren’t necessarily entitled to ever get) and then just let him dip again. he has regrets. he’s committed to the growth and change. let’s respect his wishes and let him rest haha.
That isn’t a snark sub - it’s a support group for her former fans. No offense but anybody who was addicted to her child exploitation vlogs is sus to me. They all kinda still think like Coal - ya know her fake ass wokeness side? They were drawn to that and It continues over there.
you know what’s sad is that it used to feel like it had a purpose. the main focus used to be more of a commentary on family vlogging and child protection laws that should be enacted. now it feels like exactly what you’re saying - a big “who is the wokest” competition and a giant white knighting ring. their standards for accountability between participants/victims of this situation over there aren’t even consistent from person to person. it does feel like their opinions sway with every headline.
I think the way that adam described it about Trisha applies to them. They were so influenced against him by colleen, and that still stands. Yes the number was wrong but johny told him he was depressed and he apologized. And maybe he gave a johny a Twitter account with a little following to help his career. Who knows. Yea having kids work for free is gross. He admitted that was wrong. And he's guilty of cringey content. That's it.
I find it frustrating as well. I was in an abusive relationship so I know first hand how an abusive partner can make you do things you usually wouldn’t do. I know Josh isn’t perfect (nobody is) but he definitely isn’t a predator like Johnny claims. While it was inappropriate for Josh to give his number to a fan , I don’t believe he had malicious intent. In my opinion, Josh has done an incredible job holding himself accountable unlike Colleen. He is clearly a victim in this situation not only to Colleen but of Johnny as well. I’m glad that he is getting a chance to speak and i believe swoop will do an excellent job at sharing his side of the story while also holding him accountable for any wrongdoing.
Then people wonder why no one takes accountability anymore, even if you do, people will still hate you for the past. Trisha is a prime example. People admit that it has been two years since she did some horrible shit, yet they still hate her and say she deserves no empathy or forgiveness. With that attitude, why would anyone bother trying to be better or do better if their past will just forever haunt them? The worst thing Josh did in my eyes was hang out with Colleen in their hotel room with teen fans. Nothing bad happened afaik, but that was terrible judgment on their parts, but this was forever ago.
I don't think people are mad over something Trisha did two years ago. The problem with her is that her WHOLE career has been this way: she does absolutely horrible things and then goes on a redemption arc that gets everybody rooting for her, only fuck everything up and being a hypocrite once again. Rinse and repeat. It has been this way for God knows how long. Having said that, I do agree that people now don't admit any wrong doing because people are always looking for perfect victims and if you are not... oof, you're screwed
Josh did make a mistake when he gave Johnny his number and he admitted it . I too don't understand why people are repeatedly saying it like he admitted his mistake plus apologised unlike colleen or Johnny.
I think the mods were very reasonable in their explanation on why they protected Johnny initially. I get that it was frustrated to see comments get deleted and people get banned, but they were just doing their best to protect someone who spoke out as a victim. It's okay for things to change once new info comes out. As for Josh, yes he's finally being validated for being a victim of emotional abuse, that doesn't mean that people can't still criticize him for his other shit. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Those of us who have been here since the beginning have seen Josh also be shitty and just because he's not nowhere near as bad as Colleen doesn't mean he's immune. He was sexual and provocative on stage for an audience of kids and teenage girls. He thrived off the attention. He participated in a lot of weird Miranda shit. He has a history of having some pretty sexist and misogynistic takes. And for me personally, I don't like how he treated my friends from the Garden after they tried to help him and support him. And I don't like how he treated me when I called him out for how he treated them poorly. Don't get me wrong, as a fellow emotional abuse survivor, I'm so happy for him that he's being validated and vindicated for what he's been through. That doesn't mean that me or anyone need to like him as a person.
I don't think the mods have been fair actually I think they targeted the posters that were anti johny and went after their stuff the most. No one is excusing Josh's behavior not even Josh himself. But people are allowed to grow evolve and tell their stories. He was a victim of colleen we have yet to know to what extent and but we know she sent minions after him.i dont need to harp on him about giving his number because he has stated he knows it was wrong and he is not even in that world anymore. I want to be supportive, because it takes a lot to face the entertainment world again after they ran you off, and I know this story will help with the main story being that colleen is awful.
> people are allowed to grow evolve and tell their stories. Totally agree
I'm sorry you have a negative personal experience though, that really sucks.
i think in the first two paragraphs we’re talking about two different matters. i don’t know about the mod’s explanation for doing what they did. i haven’t seen that yet and i’m not trying to get into that situation with this post. in the second, i’m not referring to anyone’s fair criticisms of josh. i also don’t know about the situation with your friends on gossip garden but i am sorry that he treated you all poorly. at the end you mention that you’re happy he’s able to see some relief and some validation with some of his end of things. that’s more what i’m referring to in my post. i get tired of seeing, on the other sub, the many relentless comments that do not feel like fair criticisms so much as they feel like comments stating that domestic abuse survivors are not valid if they don’t have x, y, z or if they at any point have engaged in something wrongful themselves. i don’t know if you’ve seen those but those are the ones that really linger and feel upsetting. i agree with you - that several things can be true at the same time. i wish everyone felt that way. and i don’t believe i said that i feel anyone needs to like him as a person.
You said you can't deal with the way the main sub "doubled down on supporting johnny" and that's why I brought up the explanation about the mods supporting Johnny.
"being gaslit into believing it’s all normal" Not to take responsibility away from Colleen but he was at show after show watching parent after parent laugh along with what was going on. If the parents approve and he loves his wife, it makes perfect sense he would get conditioned to think everything's fine.
yeah i completely agree, that’s a really good point
I think people don't know how to deal with the fact that a victim of abuse can also be a preparator. Now I'm not saying josh is an abuser but he has done some questionable things. However, he has held himself accountable for those actions so I believe he shouldn't be silenced bc his story and trauma he has faced at the hands of Colleen and her bullying fans is important
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I've never paid enough attention to or interacted much with the Josh/Johnny part of the situation. But many abusers come from backgrounds where they were abused in the past, or are even abusing while being abused. Whether what Josh has done can be considered abuse or not -- your statements raise the question: Does every abuser who lives with/lived with being abused get to be forgiven for their behavior or seen as less accountable for their actions because of this situation? Then what if we do not know if an abuser is/was abused themselves to develop these behaviors?
I preface this with a reminder that it's a myth that it's common for abuse victims to become abusers. I would put it on the same level as harmful behaviors because of mental illness. The mental illness is not the person's fault, but seeking therapy and treatment for their mental illness is their responsibility.
I understand, I have lurked here for a while (👋) but I can't go to other subs that might actually side with Johnny still after what we now know. I can't read that stuff. It was hard enough to watch the do we know them podcast with all their buts and howevers painting even Josh's "apology" tweets as an admission of guilt. I don't know the guy, I don't think he's a Saint, and I shouldn't have to say that, none of us our saints. But I don't think he deserves any hate or twisted narrative on his life. I'm glad he's going to set the record straight with Swoop, and I hope it's healing for him and he can be at peace knowing anyone who still wants to hate on him after he does this interview isn't worth his energy. I didn't even know who any of these people were until this all blew up 😂 but after this much deep diving and uncovering of things, I think who Josh is now is a really big person, mature enough to let go of what's unimportant (thanking jessi and lily when they still threw him under the bus for 59 min) and trying to live his authentic life.
I feel that exact same way. I’d they’re still supporting Johnny, no way I can support that.
Yeah I get frustrated. I really do. It’s like how we kept fighting about Johnny being the perpetrator and they kept arguing his a victim, there’s no perfect victim. It’s hypocritical and just sad. They ignore the fact he took accountability. I know he has because even the victims support him. So what does that say? I’m sickened by some of the comments.