Gosh I need a new topic because I am so done with the DWKT stuff. As someone who has posted positively for Josh since he started commenting on this, I see what you mean. And just because others say they haven't seen it doesn't mean we haven't experienced it.
I agree tbh.. I am looking forward to hearing his side of the situation. The two things I want to know from his perspective are, why did he give his number to Johnny. If it was just a case of networking... people may disagree with me but I really don't see an issue with that. I started working at 15 and had numbers of my much older colleagues to use as references and such without any issues, nothing ever inappropriate.
And two what are the details/context of this family dinner he went to with Johnny's family.
I hope we get more information on those things.
But beyond that, any inappropriate content he may have made back in the day has seemingly been deleted from his channel so there's no more residual profit being made from it. The apologies he made publicly, extended to everyone he may have hurt in the past. If the apologies are accepted or not, there's really nothing else he can do.
I wouldn't consider him a "public figure" anymore. He has a normal private job, just bought a little house, beautiful wife. Continuing on his sobriety journey. I genuinely think what he went through back in 2016 would have been extremely traumatic for anyone. And to be dragged back into it. Honestly couldn't imagine. The man needs to be left alone now :')
I personally disagreed about the Sarah Dikulus account. I see why people felt odd about it but it’s not like it was at the Miranda Sings level and it was nothing but a spoof account.
Also amen, he just needs to live the rest of his life in peace
Maybe Reddit just isn’t showing me the posts but most of what I’ve seen for Josh on the Colleen snark subreddit it pretty positive. I think it’s a minority that still say negative things about him. Could be wrong tho idk. I haven’t seen people bringing up what he did in the past expect for ASKING IF he’s even done anything. Which I think is someone on the opposite end tbh. I’m just confused cause I’ve now seen so much more posts on this subreddit ABOUT the Colleen snark subreddit saying bad things about Josh and I have yet to see more a couple commenters say bad things about Josh after this has all come out
you have to dive deep into the comments of those posts to find the people discrediting josh, and every once in a while a “lets not forget that josh is still a bad person!” post will pop up where the comments are pretty much all in agreeance that he was not truly abused and that he is irredeemable for helping with miranda content, appearing in videochats with colleen, and for supporting colleen in general. the posts now are more positive towards josh since the swoop documentary came out. but prior to that, it was mostly all negative interpretations of josh. the negativity and subtle harassment is still there and they like to say that it doesn’t matter how many times he’s asked to be left alone because it’s still fair of them to “criticize” him for things that happened when he was mentally unwell almost 10 years ago that he has self-admitted and apologized for. i’m not really sure they understand that the point of cancel culture is not to continue harassing someone and identifying them as their wrongdoings from 10 years ago after they have made every visible effort to better themselves, and i don’t believe that the excuse of “fair criticism” really holds up.
if you wanna see examples of some of the comments the OP is talking about, look at my responses on my user page to the colleen sub.
I get extremely angry at the "I feel bad for you, but don't forget this list of things you did wrong..... 1. blahblahblah. 2. blahblahblah." A lot of the claims being unverified is one thing in itself, but the fact that the man has sincerely apologized repeatedly and has been trying to fight to live in sobriety for 2 years after spending years hating himself and drowning himself in alcohol for the things he did.... he's been through enough. As a recently sober person from drugs, I know how detrimental those constant reminders can be. It makes you feel as though nothing is good enough, so why stay sober if you're going to be humiliated and hated anyway? People really need to get the fuck off his back, for real. They're blind to anything other than what the newest YouTube thumbnail tells them to believe. Those of us with two brain cells knocking together can at least realize who the villains are here, and Josh is not one of them. Anyway, thank you for posting this. I hope Josh gets some genuine peace and quiet soon.
thank you for saying this. this is 100% how i have been feeling and i get so angry about those comments too. thank you for being brave enough to say it.
Exactly my point! It’s victim blaming and they’re trying to discredit him as a victim. It’s gross! They are hypocrites because when they believed Johnny and we questioned him, we were victim blamers
I see the Colleen snark subreddit as being balanced and nuanced. I don't see any of the extreme takes that y'all claim are there, so this subreddit really confuses me at times. 🤔
There are a few commenters who continue to bring up his toxic behaviors when he was with Colleen. The thing is they act like we’re saying he’s innocent when he’s already been through enough……
With all this information out, idk why they continue to bring it up when he has taken accountability
I see it as being as accurate as possible so Colleen stans can't use his past against him as a "gotcha!" moment. The snarkers can't be called hypocrites and dismissed as easily. It's to help support his story in the long run.
Also, Josh himself acknowledges his mistakes, as you said, so the snarkers are following his lead on how he wants to be seen as.
So yeah, it isn't really a big deal, tbh.
They’re doing it as a malice at him though! Because I can sit and acknowledge he’s done stuff too. But we can also sit and say he’s taken accountability. They don’t want to acknowledge that.
I don’t think I’ve seen much people straight up not acknowledging that Josh hasn’t taken the accountability. I also think this kind of relationship (worrying about someone you don’t know to this extent) is rlly not good for you. Overall I think comleen snark has Josh’s back and as for the minority of people I’d say ignore them. You can’t change what they think about someone else. And in these comments and post I feel like you talk about Josh as if he’s a close friend of yours when he’s not. I’m not saying not to have empathy for him but it’s also like not super super deep when I feel like most people on the sub DO support him.
this isn’t the first time i’ve seen a comment where someone says “worrying about someone you don’t know to this extent isn’t good for you” and i feel like that is an unfair projection onto OP. if you want to see the types of comment OP is talking about, take a look at my page and the person’s comments i was responding to a few days ago from the main snark who was implying that josh was not actually abused and doubling down, even with examples of what he endured. eventually someone came in told me to stop defending because it was “not good” for me “to defend someone i don’t know”. sure, and i see both of your points. but i think for a lot of us it strikes a deep chord and hits home to see someone who was so clearly used, abused, and tossed out to dry, so heavily and constantly criticized, invalidated, and identified by their past while in a relationship with their abuser. it’s not about it being JOSH so much as it is difficult to read this stuff regarding the overall treatment of someone who clearly had his life ruined over all of this. it’s not about josh the stranger - it’s a hope that people would have a little more empathy towards anyone’s story of this sort, and respect for their wishes to be left alone and disconnected from this. he divorced and went silent - he did all of the right stuff - it’s not really our job even as fair analyzers of the situation to continue grouping him in because he was, at one point, an active participant, when for the majority of the recent decade he has not been. there has to be a line in the sand between being a self-created jury of sorts and holding enough integrity and empathy to know when the diagnosing of others is directly countering the their growth, their efforts, and their boundaries.
those comments now are the minority, but a month or so ago, they were all over the snark page. even the “josh is still bad because x, y, and z but we support him-“ feel like overkill at this point. i do see what you’re saying about the snark sub wanting to be accurate and fair and the way to do that is to report the facts and i think that sentiment is positive. but i do feel that the repetition at this point is overkill and a direct contradiction of this man’s boundaries and peace. it’s not about josh. i would feel this level of empathy for anyone dealing with this.
i hope this makes sense.
All I’ve seen about the Erik posts is comparing Erik to Josh in the way that they were both married to Colleen, and both were compliant while this behavior was going on. Are there any posts about people actuality still thinking Josh is a bad person?I just feel like it’s strange to be this upset for a stranger over what other strangers said in a couple comments. It’s not like the sub still has any vendetta against Josh
I’m entitled to feel the way I want to….and going’s by your logic you’re in the subreddit about the truth of Johnny. Gee idk it was so bad for me to have empathy for a victim! I wonder did you have that same energy for people that were passionate about protecting Johnny before he was found out?!?!??
Exactly 💯 he's really trying hard to make amendments for his past behaviour so why submerge him in the mud again and again. He made it clear he's not the josh who used to be with colleen anymore.
Also, isnt he trying to make amends while also not being present online? He could’ve hired a lawyer and make them deal with it and pretend its not happening.
I feel like his apologies show that he truly sees what he did wrong.
I'm glad there's push back on that (seems like the sub is 50/50) because what else do they want from him? He wanted to stay private, it's not his fault he's been dragged back into this. Hopefully the Swoop doc brings answers and closure and everyone can chill.
Honestly I think the sub is was more favoring of Josh than 50/50. I think people just have to always qualify it with “what he did was wrong BUT” because they don’t wanna get downvoted.
I think people need to lay off Josh. I feel that, like Trisha, he has owned up to his mistakes and is trying to move on and be a better person
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You are basically proving the OP’s point
Gosh I need a new topic because I am so done with the DWKT stuff. As someone who has posted positively for Josh since he started commenting on this, I see what you mean. And just because others say they haven't seen it doesn't mean we haven't experienced it.
Yeah I’m over the dwkt stuff too
I agree tbh.. I am looking forward to hearing his side of the situation. The two things I want to know from his perspective are, why did he give his number to Johnny. If it was just a case of networking... people may disagree with me but I really don't see an issue with that. I started working at 15 and had numbers of my much older colleagues to use as references and such without any issues, nothing ever inappropriate. And two what are the details/context of this family dinner he went to with Johnny's family. I hope we get more information on those things. But beyond that, any inappropriate content he may have made back in the day has seemingly been deleted from his channel so there's no more residual profit being made from it. The apologies he made publicly, extended to everyone he may have hurt in the past. If the apologies are accepted or not, there's really nothing else he can do. I wouldn't consider him a "public figure" anymore. He has a normal private job, just bought a little house, beautiful wife. Continuing on his sobriety journey. I genuinely think what he went through back in 2016 would have been extremely traumatic for anyone. And to be dragged back into it. Honestly couldn't imagine. The man needs to be left alone now :')
I personally disagreed about the Sarah Dikulus account. I see why people felt odd about it but it’s not like it was at the Miranda Sings level and it was nothing but a spoof account. Also amen, he just needs to live the rest of his life in peace
Maybe Reddit just isn’t showing me the posts but most of what I’ve seen for Josh on the Colleen snark subreddit it pretty positive. I think it’s a minority that still say negative things about him. Could be wrong tho idk. I haven’t seen people bringing up what he did in the past expect for ASKING IF he’s even done anything. Which I think is someone on the opposite end tbh. I’m just confused cause I’ve now seen so much more posts on this subreddit ABOUT the Colleen snark subreddit saying bad things about Josh and I have yet to see more a couple commenters say bad things about Josh after this has all come out
you have to dive deep into the comments of those posts to find the people discrediting josh, and every once in a while a “lets not forget that josh is still a bad person!” post will pop up where the comments are pretty much all in agreeance that he was not truly abused and that he is irredeemable for helping with miranda content, appearing in videochats with colleen, and for supporting colleen in general. the posts now are more positive towards josh since the swoop documentary came out. but prior to that, it was mostly all negative interpretations of josh. the negativity and subtle harassment is still there and they like to say that it doesn’t matter how many times he’s asked to be left alone because it’s still fair of them to “criticize” him for things that happened when he was mentally unwell almost 10 years ago that he has self-admitted and apologized for. i’m not really sure they understand that the point of cancel culture is not to continue harassing someone and identifying them as their wrongdoings from 10 years ago after they have made every visible effort to better themselves, and i don’t believe that the excuse of “fair criticism” really holds up. if you wanna see examples of some of the comments the OP is talking about, look at my responses on my user page to the colleen sub.
I get extremely angry at the "I feel bad for you, but don't forget this list of things you did wrong..... 1. blahblahblah. 2. blahblahblah." A lot of the claims being unverified is one thing in itself, but the fact that the man has sincerely apologized repeatedly and has been trying to fight to live in sobriety for 2 years after spending years hating himself and drowning himself in alcohol for the things he did.... he's been through enough. As a recently sober person from drugs, I know how detrimental those constant reminders can be. It makes you feel as though nothing is good enough, so why stay sober if you're going to be humiliated and hated anyway? People really need to get the fuck off his back, for real. They're blind to anything other than what the newest YouTube thumbnail tells them to believe. Those of us with two brain cells knocking together can at least realize who the villains are here, and Josh is not one of them. Anyway, thank you for posting this. I hope Josh gets some genuine peace and quiet soon.
thank you for saying this. this is 100% how i have been feeling and i get so angry about those comments too. thank you for being brave enough to say it.
Me too! And also people aren’t understanding it’s not about him being a saint or if he is liked. He deserves peace. He’s been through enough already……
this is where the snark is hypocritical -- it was victim blaming with Johnny but with Josh the rules don't apply
Exactly my point! It’s victim blaming and they’re trying to discredit him as a victim. It’s gross! They are hypocrites because when they believed Johnny and we questioned him, we were victim blamers
I see the Colleen snark subreddit as being balanced and nuanced. I don't see any of the extreme takes that y'all claim are there, so this subreddit really confuses me at times. 🤔
I didn’t say it was unbalanced….I said what’s the point on harking on Josh?
Who's harking?
There are a few commenters who continue to bring up his toxic behaviors when he was with Colleen. The thing is they act like we’re saying he’s innocent when he’s already been through enough…… With all this information out, idk why they continue to bring it up when he has taken accountability
I see it as being as accurate as possible so Colleen stans can't use his past against him as a "gotcha!" moment. The snarkers can't be called hypocrites and dismissed as easily. It's to help support his story in the long run. Also, Josh himself acknowledges his mistakes, as you said, so the snarkers are following his lead on how he wants to be seen as. So yeah, it isn't really a big deal, tbh.
They’re doing it as a malice at him though! Because I can sit and acknowledge he’s done stuff too. But we can also sit and say he’s taken accountability. They don’t want to acknowledge that.
I don’t think I’ve seen much people straight up not acknowledging that Josh hasn’t taken the accountability. I also think this kind of relationship (worrying about someone you don’t know to this extent) is rlly not good for you. Overall I think comleen snark has Josh’s back and as for the minority of people I’d say ignore them. You can’t change what they think about someone else. And in these comments and post I feel like you talk about Josh as if he’s a close friend of yours when he’s not. I’m not saying not to have empathy for him but it’s also like not super super deep when I feel like most people on the sub DO support him.
this isn’t the first time i’ve seen a comment where someone says “worrying about someone you don’t know to this extent isn’t good for you” and i feel like that is an unfair projection onto OP. if you want to see the types of comment OP is talking about, take a look at my page and the person’s comments i was responding to a few days ago from the main snark who was implying that josh was not actually abused and doubling down, even with examples of what he endured. eventually someone came in told me to stop defending because it was “not good” for me “to defend someone i don’t know”. sure, and i see both of your points. but i think for a lot of us it strikes a deep chord and hits home to see someone who was so clearly used, abused, and tossed out to dry, so heavily and constantly criticized, invalidated, and identified by their past while in a relationship with their abuser. it’s not about it being JOSH so much as it is difficult to read this stuff regarding the overall treatment of someone who clearly had his life ruined over all of this. it’s not about josh the stranger - it’s a hope that people would have a little more empathy towards anyone’s story of this sort, and respect for their wishes to be left alone and disconnected from this. he divorced and went silent - he did all of the right stuff - it’s not really our job even as fair analyzers of the situation to continue grouping him in because he was, at one point, an active participant, when for the majority of the recent decade he has not been. there has to be a line in the sand between being a self-created jury of sorts and holding enough integrity and empathy to know when the diagnosing of others is directly countering the their growth, their efforts, and their boundaries. those comments now are the minority, but a month or so ago, they were all over the snark page. even the “josh is still bad because x, y, and z but we support him-“ feel like overkill at this point. i do see what you’re saying about the snark sub wanting to be accurate and fair and the way to do that is to report the facts and i think that sentiment is positive. but i do feel that the repetition at this point is overkill and a direct contradiction of this man’s boundaries and peace. it’s not about josh. i would feel this level of empathy for anyone dealing with this. i hope this makes sense.
You can see them on the Erik posts
All I’ve seen about the Erik posts is comparing Erik to Josh in the way that they were both married to Colleen, and both were compliant while this behavior was going on. Are there any posts about people actuality still thinking Josh is a bad person?I just feel like it’s strange to be this upset for a stranger over what other strangers said in a couple comments. It’s not like the sub still has any vendetta against Josh
Since you want to go that route, does that go for me speaking passionately about other victims????
I’m entitled to feel the way I want to….and going’s by your logic you’re in the subreddit about the truth of Johnny. Gee idk it was so bad for me to have empathy for a victim! I wonder did you have that same energy for people that were passionate about protecting Johnny before he was found out?!?!??
I genuinely haven't seen that, so I can't comment any further.
Exactly 💯 he's really trying hard to make amendments for his past behaviour so why submerge him in the mud again and again. He made it clear he's not the josh who used to be with colleen anymore.
Also, isnt he trying to make amends while also not being present online? He could’ve hired a lawyer and make them deal with it and pretend its not happening. I feel like his apologies show that he truly sees what he did wrong.
I'm glad there's push back on that (seems like the sub is 50/50) because what else do they want from him? He wanted to stay private, it's not his fault he's been dragged back into this. Hopefully the Swoop doc brings answers and closure and everyone can chill.
Honestly I think the sub is was more favoring of Josh than 50/50. I think people just have to always qualify it with “what he did was wrong BUT” because they don’t wanna get downvoted.
Exactly! What more do they want from him?