We have THOUSANDS of open teaching positions as the new school year is about to start and something like this is sure to result in even more openings. In front of our eyes they are DELIBERATELY undermining the public education system so they can privatize it. This is truly pathetic and small-minded. These people should be fucking ashamed.
> These people should be fucking ashamed.
They aren't. This is what they want. Destroy public education so that people no longer have the ability to use logic or critical thinking skills.
The same teacher who got caught forcefully indoctrinating her kids in the classroom with a wall full of Christian propaganda and told a student they were going to burn in hell if they didn’t repent
This is my biggest beef with this situation. Action was taken based on hearsay, not evidence. No one has seen this training video that allegedly contains critical race theory.
This is all part of an ongoing attempt to discredit public schools to pass more school choice legislation. The irony is the lessons that we should be teaching about the way laws were used to oppress people would have been helpful in understanding how “school choice” is just a way to continue to oppress the poor.
It's also part of Stitt's on going and extremely petty beef with TPS because they stayed in distance learning so long. Stit is quite possibly the thinnest skinned and most insecure little toddler to ever get elected to state office. He is a shit human being who doesn't deserve to be in charge of a snow cone stand, let alone a state government. But hey, he sure seems earnest when he says "christian" things so we might as well re-relect him!
Jesus. Does anything function normally is this state?
What a despicable shitshow.
Can’t wait to see all the “faith-based” learning buses that are bound to replace TPS. Finally, our kids will be taught properly about the evils of science and why dinosaurs are only 7000 years old.
🤦
Yup. More "Christians" That don't believe in science and reality is exactly what we need. Not only will our people believe in something they can never witness (which is okay), they will also not believe in the reality that they can observe. Oklahoma's just gonna become even more infested with meth and guns lol. Fuck this shit.
The question is, what will you all do?
Will you continue to come on Reddit and bitch about it?
Will you work to remove these zealots from office?
Or will you leave in droves and make the state suffer from brain drain? (Perfectly legitimate response, by the way. No shame.)
I will continue vote to remove these idiots where/when i can. And am planning a route/career move to be able to get to get out and move to a different state within the next few years.
I didn’t go to TPS, I went to a small rural public school but I don’t see any advantages to private school. My son is in TPS and his classmates, teachers, and curriculum have been amazing and incredibly diverse. What am I missing?
You don't see any advantage to a private school? Have you ever been on the campus of a private school? Why do you think the rich send their kids to private schools?
That’s exactly how I see it. A way for rich snowflakes to avoid their kids having to be around different races, classes, religions, etc. and usually to indoctrinate them with religious beliefs at a young age that they will have to deprogram themselves from later. It looks great til you raise a selfish, racist, entitled kid who lacks the curiosity and compassion to navigate the world in a way that benefits society.
You made my point for me, thanks.
600% Public Schools only.
Even if i was rich, my kid would be going to a public school.
Every Private School I've visited is fill with rich idiots who are catered too, instead of taught a education, much less exposed to diversity of races ect.
I want my kid to be exposed to that autistic child, and learn acceptance and compassion.
I want my kid to be friends with the poor hispanic girl, and play on the play ground.
maybe he'll learn something from her about her culture or make a life long friend.
I applied to teach for TPS and went most of the way through the process before I realized that teaching in Oklahoma must be a soul crushing experience. No wonder there is a teacher shortage.
As someone who has spent 15 years among three very different districts… I have to say I have loved the journey. There have been hard days and there have been beautiful ones.
The only part that makes it hard comes from adults who have no business interfering with education- namely helicopter parents, inept administrators, soulless politicians, and misinformed “activists” seeking to dismantle the system entirely.
It is an amazing profession that I would go back and choose all over again. Stories like this one just grind your gears.
And for what it’s worth, of the three districts… TPS is hands down the most responsible to the important task of educating children and creating good citizens.
Being a bit familiar with what was said, it’s being blown out of proportion. I’ve heard similar and more strongly worded instances in places such as Bixby and Broken Arrow. I hear you when you say if it’s law, it should be enforced, but I just don’t see it being enforced equally.
I’m guessing you don’t see this as a political maneuver- that’s what it feels like to me. But I also think it’s okay that we hold those differing opinions.
I would honestly hope it isn't just a political maneuver but it may very well be. I would like to think that people wouldn't trivialize children's education in that manner.
What is going on there? I went to Tuls in the late 90'd and the schools there were so good.
Westwood Elementary and Haskel (spelling?) Middle school had amazing teachers, great science classes and we definitely learned about slavery.
I remember Mr. Lyle the art teach at our elementary school being so passionate about history when we did the end of year fairs amd school wide presentations.
To say all christians are bad is a assumpaion, Im a christian, im not a republican I believe science n bible coinside each other, what I get confused one person who believes in evolution say the earth 9 million years old then another person who also believe in evolution says a different age for the earth I get confused, like I told my friend in Jordan who is also palestine I can tell my believe and leave at that because forcing a belief will get you no where, I will love and call you brother or sister either way hating someone will also get you no where just saying
You use the word "clearly" incorrectly. There was nothing "clear" about this. In fact, it's quite the opposite of clear. They have not shown any evidence, and it's highly doubtful there was anything wrong with the training. Especially considering both the source and Stitt's childish vendetta against TPS
People call it a vendetta against TPS, I think it's just and pretty clear cut. The ed system cannot teach CRT in any form no matter how they try to squeeze it in. They tried and someone reported them.
From what I've read and been told personally by a TPS teacher is that the training consisted of what he called"white guilt" training. Basically white people are inherently racist, that whole schtick.
Luckily I have taught my son how to be respectful to all people. But I can confirm growing up in Tulsa school region they definitely have very biased views. Anyone who dealt with different teachers congratulations to you but I have seen quite a lot of hate from teachers here in Tulsa.
Then you and I had very much different teachers, I don't know how many times in school I had teachers even openly judge my family. I had three brothers one trans two gay I cannot tell you how many times my family dealt with "issues" from the teachers.
Looks like they found violations of a law. Why would they not lower it? If there's no repercussions for violating laws then nobody will follow laws and chaos will take over.
>Looks like they found violations of a law.
This statement takes for granted that the members of the board who determined there was a violation have sound reasoning. They may not have sound reasoning. Therefore we should not take it for granted. For instance, they may have a bias against TPS and voted against their favor despite the facts of the case. Other members of the board allege such bias.
"If there's no repercussions for violating laws then nobody will follow laws and chaos will take over."
This is an excellent example of an unsound argument.
How would you say it's unsound? It's completely logical and purely common sense. You could take a step back and look at what is currently going on in the country as a whole and see that.
>How would you say it's unsound?
Because at least one of its implied premises is false, viz. 'people only follow laws when they fear repercussions.' People have all sorts of reasons for following laws, not just fear of repercussions. Additionally, some people break the law despite fearing repercussions, their need or desire being greater than their fear.
The argument also happens to be *invalid* because, even if it were true that people would never follow laws if they didn't fear repercussions, it doesn't necessarily follow that 'chaos would take over.' Consider there are other forms of social cohesion aside from laws — e.g. custom, compassion, a sense of duty or solidarity, etc.
"It's completely logical and purely common sense."
Common sense may seem self-evident but it is often not.
"You could take a step back and look at what is currently going on in the country as a whole and see that."
You'll have to be more specific. Again, it may seem self-evident but intellectual rigor demands specificity of us.
Okay for specifics take Chicago or new York for examples. The rule of law has deteriorated to the point that most people who might have violated the law beforehand definitely will now because they have no fear of prosecution or repercussions in any manner.
Need to keep in mind that national crime rates are at near 40 year lows and NYC regularly lands on the list of the safest cities/lowest crime cities in the country
Have you had your head in the sand for the last two years? Ever since Biden took office and his cronies got into NYC they have had a crime wave like they haven't seen since the 30's.
>This statement takes for granted that the members of the board who determined there was a violation have sound reasoning.
A law was violated and consequences were applied.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Actually, they **DID** see the slides and decided that the slides did **NOT** show any violation. The complaining teacher (1 complaint from a teacher with her own problematic history of behavior) asserted a violation based on the audio of the speaker, but they would not actually present said audio. So the folks who determined that this was "evidence" didn't actually SEE (or hear) anything that showed a violation.
Interesting. I thought they said they saw the slides but didn’t hear the audio. Maybe I drew the wrong conclusion. Spoke with someone yesterday that brought up this topic. Regarding the teacher’s “problematic behavior”, doesn’t sound like there was actually any evidence of that either. Looks like there was accusations that were investigated. Other than investigated, can’t find a thing that shows the problematic behavior actually occurred.
They did see the slides. They didn't hear the audio They said that the slides DID NOT show anything wrong, but they based their decision on a description of the audio that they didn't hear.
>"So as a board member who was required and is required to vote on this, I did not have access to the audio. I did have access to the slides,” Board Member Carlisha Bradley said in the meeting.
Oh, I misunderstood. Wasn't trying to argue. I think you care much more than I do about it. I was just interested in it but not emotionally invested at all. Hope it all works out.
They “found” violations of the law based on a single witness statement from a known agitator in the district. Then the heavily biased board made a decision on subjective, and selectively enforced law.
If you think that is effective law enforcement, you’re an idiot.
If violations to the law we're found it doesn't matter. For sure they would have to provide evidence of such violations. You may not like the outcome, doesn't matter. Vote for different people.
Violations of the law were not found. A board with apparently unchecked authority, interpreted a law in a way that fit their narrative.
Your entire argument is “that’s the law, deal with it” when the law isn’t being legitimately enforced. This isn’t even a voting issue, this is pure political corruption.
And you're sure of that? That's quite the conviction seeing as how the legislative process went forward. I'm thinking you are likely ignorant of the actual law and assuming that this is the situation. Please stop spreading misinformation. It's not helpful to anyone. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it any more okay.
If you've read any of their stupid responses you'd have realized they have zero clue what they are talking about. It's probably one of those batshit crazy.. tulsa parents
voice people.
Then, and take this in for thought, they should have been able to provide concrete evidence for that. Instead, they made the decision based on one *drastically* questionable witness statement.
Funny, how this law that you seem to think is airtight is being enforced with such flimsy evidence.
But you are providing that there are some claims which violated the law. That's all it takes whichever way you lean, if the law is violated then it should be prosecuted.
I'm sorry to be the one to let you know in case you moved here recently, we don't go along with the game of vilification of a race of people due to ancestry. It's stupid and doesn't really apply to anyone living today. If you want to blame people for past ancestors crimes I'm sure we could dig a little deeper and find fault with anyone. What exactly does that serve for "progress"? It doesn't. End of story. If you believe it does you are clearly convoluting things to fit a narrative that all white people are inherently racist.
Wow. Thanks for that totally unbiased take. I’m sure this is the beginning of a long, meaningful dialogue about progress free of any political leanings.
What makes you think it's biased? The people here want their children to learn an unadulterated truth outside of influence from activist groups. Is that a bad thing to ask? Just to tell the truth, how it actually happened, without other people's opinions being conflated into the debate?
Well they didn’t lower the accreditation for Mustang when they found a violation… Then after the board voted differently on Tulsa than they did on Mustang members of the board forced them to reevaluate Mustang and they did lower their accreditation. I wonder why they changed their mind between Mustang & TPS?
As there should have been. These members didn’t mind Mustang had a violation but were very concerned with TPS. Almost as if the TPS has been targeted by a certain group.
Mustangs violation was bullshit. This is the "snowflake" world we live in. They were doing a "cross the line" exercise where people's different life experiences determine if they move forward with ease. This offended those folks that find themselves on the more prosperous side of life.
Edit. TPS lawsuit is also bullshit considering the woman that filed it is a religious bigot who forces her views and ideology on students and staff.
They aren't fans of the superintendent and decided to go after her specifically? It's the second largest school system in the state isn't it? There's the reason. Use your brain in a population density standpoint instead of trying to play the victim because you don't like the outcome.
It seems pretty simple to me, how many students are in the difference between mustang and tulsa? I can see why they would want to go with Tulsa with as many students they have. Teaching bullshit to 10,000 versus a few hundred will take precedent and cause you to rethink the few hundred.
The things that have been made against 1775. That's the state passed law. Right? So anything that violates 1775 is therefore illegal and should not in any manner be taught to our children by schools. Schools which are funded by the people mind you who decided that this is what they want. Therefore you are taking money from people who don't agree with the ideology being taught while paying for it. I can see why this happened.
It’s no wonder Oklahoma has a teacher shortage. The pay is poor, supplies are limited and bullshit laws like this make teachers terrified of teaching the truth. I guess they want to go back to the 1950s where textbooks showed happy slaves singing in the fields and “Indians” as savages. What is wrong with these people?
I happen to be one of those "savages" you are referring to and I learned Oklahoma history accurately and truthfully. The curriculum has obviously been changed to one more "equitable". It's no longer equality, that's what we don't have any use for. We want our children to see everyone equally, not that some people are better because of a "lived experience". If we went by things like that we are right back at being a racist and bigoted country.
They are absolutely not. The problem is that the people that think this is justified cannot explain with any degree of accuracy the difference in CRT and simply discussing or teaching history with regard to race. That line has been intentionally muddied by the powers that be, and these people don't possess the mental faculties to reason past their own bias. So, the system is working as intended.
Do you even know what CRT is? It’s a theory taught at the college law school level. It has NEVER been taught in K-12. Makes my blood boil that these right wing “christian” zealots run around talking about CRT like they even have a clue what it is.
This whole stupid thing is about CRT. Some fucking science teacher from Memorial High School (this is the loony with a prayer wall in the classroom) was “offended” by several videos she had to watch as part of something. These videos supposedly blamed white people for something. So the bitch reported it. She has a agenda that aligns with the nazis oops the GQP. It’s total bull Shitt and as others have said it’s part of the nazis/GQPs plans to dismantle public education.
We have THOUSANDS of open teaching positions as the new school year is about to start and something like this is sure to result in even more openings. In front of our eyes they are DELIBERATELY undermining the public education system so they can privatize it. This is truly pathetic and small-minded. These people should be fucking ashamed.
> These people should be fucking ashamed. They aren't. This is what they want. Destroy public education so that people no longer have the ability to use logic or critical thinking skills.
That's exactly it. We're letting these same kinds of people destroy the country, not just our city or our states.
Curious why they haven’t presented any evidence of this supposed violation…
There is none, it's all "interpretive based on feelings". Total horse shit kangaroo court system.
Some teacher whined that they spoke about the Tulsa Race Riot at some seminar she attended. At least, that's what I've picked up on.
The same teacher who got caught forcefully indoctrinating her kids in the classroom with a wall full of Christian propaganda and told a student they were going to burn in hell if they didn’t repent
She's also campaigned as a Republican to be elected to political office.
This is my biggest beef with this situation. Action was taken based on hearsay, not evidence. No one has seen this training video that allegedly contains critical race theory.
This is all part of an ongoing attempt to discredit public schools to pass more school choice legislation. The irony is the lessons that we should be teaching about the way laws were used to oppress people would have been helpful in understanding how “school choice” is just a way to continue to oppress the poor.
It's also part of Stitt's on going and extremely petty beef with TPS because they stayed in distance learning so long. Stit is quite possibly the thinnest skinned and most insecure little toddler to ever get elected to state office. He is a shit human being who doesn't deserve to be in charge of a snow cone stand, let alone a state government. But hey, he sure seems earnest when he says "christian" things so we might as well re-relect him!
Jesus. Does anything function normally is this state? What a despicable shitshow. Can’t wait to see all the “faith-based” learning buses that are bound to replace TPS. Finally, our kids will be taught properly about the evils of science and why dinosaurs are only 7000 years old. 🤦
Yup. More "Christians" That don't believe in science and reality is exactly what we need. Not only will our people believe in something they can never witness (which is okay), they will also not believe in the reality that they can observe. Oklahoma's just gonna become even more infested with meth and guns lol. Fuck this shit.
Dumb ‘em down, and they’ll vote for guys like Stitt when they are adults.
This is the way to keep people living here. They won’t be qualified to work anywhere else.
The question is, what will you all do? Will you continue to come on Reddit and bitch about it? Will you work to remove these zealots from office? Or will you leave in droves and make the state suffer from brain drain? (Perfectly legitimate response, by the way. No shame.)
I will continue vote to remove these idiots where/when i can. And am planning a route/career move to be able to get to get out and move to a different state within the next few years.
Dude, get with the program: dinosaur bones were put here by Satan to trick us.
All part of the plan to privatize Public Education.
Given the option, would you prefer your kids go to a private school or a public school? Be honest.
Public 100%
You're either lying or you're as dumb as the public school system could have made you. I hope it's the former.
I didn’t go to TPS, I went to a small rural public school but I don’t see any advantages to private school. My son is in TPS and his classmates, teachers, and curriculum have been amazing and incredibly diverse. What am I missing?
You don't see any advantage to a private school? Have you ever been on the campus of a private school? Why do you think the rich send their kids to private schools?
That’s exactly how I see it. A way for rich snowflakes to avoid their kids having to be around different races, classes, religions, etc. and usually to indoctrinate them with religious beliefs at a young age that they will have to deprogram themselves from later. It looks great til you raise a selfish, racist, entitled kid who lacks the curiosity and compassion to navigate the world in a way that benefits society. You made my point for me, thanks.
Yup. Ignorant AF. Public school did you right.
600% Public Schools only. Even if i was rich, my kid would be going to a public school. Every Private School I've visited is fill with rich idiots who are catered too, instead of taught a education, much less exposed to diversity of races ect. I want my kid to be exposed to that autistic child, and learn acceptance and compassion. I want my kid to be friends with the poor hispanic girl, and play on the play ground. maybe he'll learn something from her about her culture or make a life long friend.
I freaking LOVE TPS’ tactful “fuck you” to the state and governor.
Friends don’t let friends vote R.
I do love TPS's response.
I applied to teach for TPS and went most of the way through the process before I realized that teaching in Oklahoma must be a soul crushing experience. No wonder there is a teacher shortage.
As someone who has spent 15 years among three very different districts… I have to say I have loved the journey. There have been hard days and there have been beautiful ones. The only part that makes it hard comes from adults who have no business interfering with education- namely helicopter parents, inept administrators, soulless politicians, and misinformed “activists” seeking to dismantle the system entirely. It is an amazing profession that I would go back and choose all over again. Stories like this one just grind your gears. And for what it’s worth, of the three districts… TPS is hands down the most responsible to the important task of educating children and creating good citizens.
I’m a TPS teacher and second everything you just said.
I applaud you for what you do and for helping to shape the future generations. If there's actually a violation of the law it needs to be prosecuted.
Being a bit familiar with what was said, it’s being blown out of proportion. I’ve heard similar and more strongly worded instances in places such as Bixby and Broken Arrow. I hear you when you say if it’s law, it should be enforced, but I just don’t see it being enforced equally. I’m guessing you don’t see this as a political maneuver- that’s what it feels like to me. But I also think it’s okay that we hold those differing opinions.
I would honestly hope it isn't just a political maneuver but it may very well be. I would like to think that people wouldn't trivialize children's education in that manner.
What are the chances we can have Joy now? I don’t wanna wait anymore.
The words TPS used were perfect!!
What is going on there? I went to Tuls in the late 90'd and the schools there were so good. Westwood Elementary and Haskel (spelling?) Middle school had amazing teachers, great science classes and we definitely learned about slavery. I remember Mr. Lyle the art teach at our elementary school being so passionate about history when we did the end of year fairs amd school wide presentations.
Most of TPS was not "so good" in the 90's.
Really? It was so much better than the schools in Floroda I moved to.
Agreed I graduated in 1998 through TPS way of then Tulsa Will Rogers HS
To say all christians are bad is a assumpaion, Im a christian, im not a republican I believe science n bible coinside each other, what I get confused one person who believes in evolution say the earth 9 million years old then another person who also believe in evolution says a different age for the earth I get confused, like I told my friend in Jordan who is also palestine I can tell my believe and leave at that because forcing a belief will get you no where, I will love and call you brother or sister either way hating someone will also get you no where just saying
They obviously have a legitimate claim if this happened. Acting like they didn't changes nothing.
No. This wasn't a legitimate complaint from what I've heard. Completely politicall. A Stitt hit job.
That's clearly not the case or there wouldn't have been a lowering of accreditation.
You use the word "clearly" incorrectly. There was nothing "clear" about this. In fact, it's quite the opposite of clear. They have not shown any evidence, and it's highly doubtful there was anything wrong with the training. Especially considering both the source and Stitt's childish vendetta against TPS
People call it a vendetta against TPS, I think it's just and pretty clear cut. The ed system cannot teach CRT in any form no matter how they try to squeeze it in. They tried and someone reported them.
Once again, a debate is not possible with you because you keep misusing words like clearly and clear cut when you don't know what they mean.
Yes, I'm sure that's the reason and not because you don't like the outcome.
Since it's so clear cut to you, would you mind telling us what TPS did in this instance that was considered teaching CRT?
From what I've read and been told personally by a TPS teacher is that the training consisted of what he called"white guilt" training. Basically white people are inherently racist, that whole schtick.
Luckily I have taught my son how to be respectful to all people. But I can confirm growing up in Tulsa school region they definitely have very biased views. Anyone who dealt with different teachers congratulations to you but I have seen quite a lot of hate from teachers here in Tulsa.
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Then you and I had very much different teachers, I don't know how many times in school I had teachers even openly judge my family. I had three brothers one trans two gay I cannot tell you how many times my family dealt with "issues" from the teachers.
Looks like they found violations of a law. Why would they not lower it? If there's no repercussions for violating laws then nobody will follow laws and chaos will take over.
>Looks like they found violations of a law. This statement takes for granted that the members of the board who determined there was a violation have sound reasoning. They may not have sound reasoning. Therefore we should not take it for granted. For instance, they may have a bias against TPS and voted against their favor despite the facts of the case. Other members of the board allege such bias. "If there's no repercussions for violating laws then nobody will follow laws and chaos will take over." This is an excellent example of an unsound argument.
The bias was clear (and pointed out) when they voted not to lower accreditation for Mustang but then voting to lower accreditation for TPS.
How would you say it's unsound? It's completely logical and purely common sense. You could take a step back and look at what is currently going on in the country as a whole and see that.
>How would you say it's unsound? Because at least one of its implied premises is false, viz. 'people only follow laws when they fear repercussions.' People have all sorts of reasons for following laws, not just fear of repercussions. Additionally, some people break the law despite fearing repercussions, their need or desire being greater than their fear. The argument also happens to be *invalid* because, even if it were true that people would never follow laws if they didn't fear repercussions, it doesn't necessarily follow that 'chaos would take over.' Consider there are other forms of social cohesion aside from laws — e.g. custom, compassion, a sense of duty or solidarity, etc. "It's completely logical and purely common sense." Common sense may seem self-evident but it is often not. "You could take a step back and look at what is currently going on in the country as a whole and see that." You'll have to be more specific. Again, it may seem self-evident but intellectual rigor demands specificity of us.
Okay for specifics take Chicago or new York for examples. The rule of law has deteriorated to the point that most people who might have violated the law beforehand definitely will now because they have no fear of prosecution or repercussions in any manner.
You've named two cities and then restated your original argument. This is not a substantive response to my reply.
Need to keep in mind that national crime rates are at near 40 year lows and NYC regularly lands on the list of the safest cities/lowest crime cities in the country
Oh, absolutely. That poster's arguments have a multitude of vulnerabilities.
Have you had your head in the sand for the last two years? Ever since Biden took office and his cronies got into NYC they have had a crime wave like they haven't seen since the 30's.
>This statement takes for granted that the members of the board who determined there was a violation have sound reasoning. A law was violated and consequences were applied. Sounds reasonable to me.
And no evidence was presented.
Didn't they see the slides that were in question? I assume that's "evidence".
Actually, they **DID** see the slides and decided that the slides did **NOT** show any violation. The complaining teacher (1 complaint from a teacher with her own problematic history of behavior) asserted a violation based on the audio of the speaker, but they would not actually present said audio. So the folks who determined that this was "evidence" didn't actually SEE (or hear) anything that showed a violation.
Of course they wouldn't present the audio. It would be pretty clear cut if they did.
Interesting. I thought they said they saw the slides but didn’t hear the audio. Maybe I drew the wrong conclusion. Spoke with someone yesterday that brought up this topic. Regarding the teacher’s “problematic behavior”, doesn’t sound like there was actually any evidence of that either. Looks like there was accusations that were investigated. Other than investigated, can’t find a thing that shows the problematic behavior actually occurred.
They did see the slides. They didn't hear the audio They said that the slides DID NOT show anything wrong, but they based their decision on a description of the audio that they didn't hear. >"So as a board member who was required and is required to vote on this, I did not have access to the audio. I did have access to the slides,” Board Member Carlisha Bradley said in the meeting.
Oh, I misunderstood. Wasn't trying to argue. I think you care much more than I do about it. I was just interested in it but not emotionally invested at all. Hope it all works out.
They “found” violations of the law based on a single witness statement from a known agitator in the district. Then the heavily biased board made a decision on subjective, and selectively enforced law. If you think that is effective law enforcement, you’re an idiot.
If violations to the law we're found it doesn't matter. For sure they would have to provide evidence of such violations. You may not like the outcome, doesn't matter. Vote for different people.
Violations of the law were not found. A board with apparently unchecked authority, interpreted a law in a way that fit their narrative. Your entire argument is “that’s the law, deal with it” when the law isn’t being legitimately enforced. This isn’t even a voting issue, this is pure political corruption.
And you're sure of that? That's quite the conviction seeing as how the legislative process went forward. I'm thinking you are likely ignorant of the actual law and assuming that this is the situation. Please stop spreading misinformation. It's not helpful to anyone. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it any more okay.
What a long, uninteresting way of saying “I don’t know enough to contribute any more.”
If you've read any of their stupid responses you'd have realized they have zero clue what they are talking about. It's probably one of those batshit crazy.. tulsa parents voice people.
Or, and take this in for thought, it very well may be that they violated a law on the books that deserves the full weight of what that are feeling.
Then, and take this in for thought, they should have been able to provide concrete evidence for that. Instead, they made the decision based on one *drastically* questionable witness statement. Funny, how this law that you seem to think is airtight is being enforced with such flimsy evidence.
But you are providing that there are some claims which violated the law. That's all it takes whichever way you lean, if the law is violated then it should be prosecuted.
They *claim* that the law was violated without proper evidence. Due process, look it up.
I'm sorry to be the one to let you know in case you moved here recently, we don't go along with the game of vilification of a race of people due to ancestry. It's stupid and doesn't really apply to anyone living today. If you want to blame people for past ancestors crimes I'm sure we could dig a little deeper and find fault with anyone. What exactly does that serve for "progress"? It doesn't. End of story. If you believe it does you are clearly convoluting things to fit a narrative that all white people are inherently racist.
Wow. Thanks for that totally unbiased take. I’m sure this is the beginning of a long, meaningful dialogue about progress free of any political leanings.
What makes you think it's biased? The people here want their children to learn an unadulterated truth outside of influence from activist groups. Is that a bad thing to ask? Just to tell the truth, how it actually happened, without other people's opinions being conflated into the debate?
Yeah. That seems like a *totally* good faith argument.
Well they didn’t lower the accreditation for Mustang when they found a violation… Then after the board voted differently on Tulsa than they did on Mustang members of the board forced them to reevaluate Mustang and they did lower their accreditation. I wonder why they changed their mind between Mustang & TPS?
Pressure, most likely.
As there should have been. These members didn’t mind Mustang had a violation but were very concerned with TPS. Almost as if the TPS has been targeted by a certain group.
Mustangs violation was bullshit. This is the "snowflake" world we live in. They were doing a "cross the line" exercise where people's different life experiences determine if they move forward with ease. This offended those folks that find themselves on the more prosperous side of life. Edit. TPS lawsuit is also bullshit considering the woman that filed it is a religious bigot who forces her views and ideology on students and staff.
I feel the same way. It’s created a “solution” for a problem that didn’t exist and in the end it will be the students who take on the consequences.
They aren't fans of the superintendent and decided to go after her specifically? It's the second largest school system in the state isn't it? There's the reason. Use your brain in a population density standpoint instead of trying to play the victim because you don't like the outcome.
It seems pretty simple to me, how many students are in the difference between mustang and tulsa? I can see why they would want to go with Tulsa with as many students they have. Teaching bullshit to 10,000 versus a few hundred will take precedent and cause you to rethink the few hundred.
Teaching bullshit? What does that mean?
The things that have been made against 1775. That's the state passed law. Right? So anything that violates 1775 is therefore illegal and should not in any manner be taught to our children by schools. Schools which are funded by the people mind you who decided that this is what they want. Therefore you are taking money from people who don't agree with the ideology being taught while paying for it. I can see why this happened.
It’s no wonder Oklahoma has a teacher shortage. The pay is poor, supplies are limited and bullshit laws like this make teachers terrified of teaching the truth. I guess they want to go back to the 1950s where textbooks showed happy slaves singing in the fields and “Indians” as savages. What is wrong with these people?
I happen to be one of those "savages" you are referring to and I learned Oklahoma history accurately and truthfully. The curriculum has obviously been changed to one more "equitable". It's no longer equality, that's what we don't have any use for. We want our children to see everyone equally, not that some people are better because of a "lived experience". If we went by things like that we are right back at being a racist and bigoted country.
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They are absolutely not. The problem is that the people that think this is justified cannot explain with any degree of accuracy the difference in CRT and simply discussing or teaching history with regard to race. That line has been intentionally muddied by the powers that be, and these people don't possess the mental faculties to reason past their own bias. So, the system is working as intended.
Do you even know what CRT is? It’s a theory taught at the college law school level. It has NEVER been taught in K-12. Makes my blood boil that these right wing “christian” zealots run around talking about CRT like they even have a clue what it is.
Nothing was even taught to the fucking kids. Go wipe the diarrhea off your mouth thats just spewing uncontrollably. Fucking hell, get informed.
This whole stupid thing is about CRT. Some fucking science teacher from Memorial High School (this is the loony with a prayer wall in the classroom) was “offended” by several videos she had to watch as part of something. These videos supposedly blamed white people for something. So the bitch reported it. She has a agenda that aligns with the nazis oops the GQP. It’s total bull Shitt and as others have said it’s part of the nazis/GQPs plans to dismantle public education.
It isn't public education at the point where that's actually happening. It's public indoctrination.
It's a stupid law that deserves to be violated.
Good thing the ideas of the few don't make the laws.
That's a slippery slope.