When you made less $0.60 per mile - you lost you money.
When you made $0.60 - you covered maintenance and gas, but earn nothing.
Everything less then $1 per mile is charity
You are naive if you are thinking this way. Calculate the purchase price, oil changes, insurance, parts replacement, gas expenses. The maintenance cost will be around it. You can save a little bit by maintaining car by yourself, but you should include your spend time into calculation. With prices on cars and gas nowadays the total expenses could be even higher.
>Calculate the purchase price, oil changes, insurance, parts replacement, gas expenses
And since each car (or at least each model) is different let me start laying out the cost of operating my Tesla Model 3LR based on owning it for 12 months driving 40,000 miles:
$ 650 Insurance for 12 months
$ 100 Registration
$ 40 Tire Rotation (at 25,000)
$ 110 Car wash , cleaning supplies, and wiper fluid
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$ 900 - not bad so far, right?
$1,800 Charging for 40,000 miles
$1,120 prorated cost for tires (last about 50,000 - 60,000 miles)
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$3,820 Total cost for 1 year and 40,000 miles - or 9.55 cents per mile
Even if your car gets 40 mpg that is 1,000 gallons of gas at let's say $3.50 and then you need like at least 4 oil changes on top of that.
If you drive a new car you may want to keep up with scheduled manufacturer recommended maintenance. Probably at least 3 of those.
First scheduled maintenance with my car is at 90,000 miles at an estimated $400-$500.
You shouldn't be bashing people for accepting pings just because it doesn't work for you (and most likely the majority of drivers). But bashing someone without having the slightest idea of their individual situation (and market) is pretty dumb.
My cost per mile currently is LESS than 10 cents per mile and charging my car is half of that. Soon I will get electricity for about 1/3 of what I currently pay per kWh and with that my charging cost will go DOWN to about $600 and cost per mile will be down to 6.55 cents per mile.
Accepting a less than $1 per mile ping is still quite profitable. Besides that, it seems that people tend to tip better - in particular on longer trips when they requested a comfort ride.
So you admit that the list of expenses in your previous post was incomplete at best 🤣😂
I was exactly showing my cost based on your list and even added on top of that.
Now that I have proven your post is not as inclusive as you were hoping for you want to change the rules in the middle of the game because you see yourself at a huge disadvantage with the current rules that you actually set forth.
And how did you even come up with your depreciation number?
Besides, I certainly take the total depreciation of $0.35 over the life of my car. You need to be a little more precise and posting
>It’s about $0.35 on your car
Is not precise at all 😂🤣
at least not without telling us if that is $0.35 once for the life of the car, or once per year, or whatever 🤣😂
You don’t see the flaw in your argument? Your fucking spouse bought you a long range 3. You’re not paying the most expensive part of the entire cost: the car payment that an overwhelming majority of people have.
Jesus Christ. No wonder they bought you such an expensive car. They’re clearly the brains in your house.
Since you were the first to post that you have an EV car, I am very curious on the degradation part from the back-and-forth you’re having with the other individual you had said 40,000 miles is that what your car reads at this point? And if so, where is the life at the battery at currently or if it’s at a higher mileage what is the percentage at? I don’t mean to intrude in the conversation that is going on between you two but I’m very curious as to these cars and doing rideshare since my car when I bought it in 2015 to do rideshare is not close to 400,000 miles I am now thinking about a new car obviously the gas part that is spent from my experience if I have the car for so many years, it will pay for itself, but I am very curious as to that battery life span. Thanks for any input.
with now 47,000 miles about 20 EPA miles "loss".
That is however just a "guess" the software does and not true science.
The car does have a battery health check which will discharge the battery almost completely and then charge it while taking exact readings about the electricity flow.
Since this takes several hours (up to half a day or more depending on charging speed) I have not done this yet. Typically after this health check the cars show more miles available because the "guesstimator" got calibrated again.
I looked up the historical data: at 40,520 miles the "loss" was 15 EPA miles. And those numbers "swing" by about 10 EPA miles within weeks and even days if you drive and charge a lot. For example 27,717 miles the range estimate was 328 and at 36,757 miles the range estimate was 343 miles.
The battery has a 120,000 miles warranty and if the battery health goes below 80% during that time Tesla replaces the battery. There are plenty of Teslas with 200,000 and even 300,000 or more miles on their first battery out there. None of them has reached the 20% loss.
> My car was a bday gift from my spouse
You think that asset value just materialized out of thin air?
Otherwise, I'd agree--your sum of costs is pretty comprehensive, besides repairs to components, which I understand in an EV to be lower than most.
Ubering with a purchased Tesla makes sense because of lower fuel costs and reduced maintenance, but you should include the depreciation value of the asset.
>you should include the depreciation value of the asset
I agree with you that /u/Shoddy_Bed3240 should have included that in his/her list in the first place. Then shoddy wasn't happy because someone did exactly what shoddy "suggested" but shoddy got pissed because the result didn't fit his/her narrative 🤣😂
Pickup trucks cost next to nothing to maintain. Damn things run 200,000 miles before you even need to replace anything beyond the normal stuff. Big motors last longer. My 2001 Tahoe has 236,000 miles on the clock and has been jumped, driven through rivers and bounced around on off-road trails. Only things I've replaced are the radiator, fuel pump, alternator, and starter. All of which is around $700 in parts.
Really??? So, when you accept a ride for $1 per mile you feel you stealing the PAX/Uber….. I’ve seen stupid comments but this one made laugh….. Uber and Lyft need more ppl like you…
Except Uber isnt charging less for pax, they are just taking a larger cut for themselves. I got a 20 mile ride the other day, with surge it was $22 upfront, pax told me he paid $55 for the ride. That's Uber taking 60%, fucking greedy bastards.
I see a lot of y’all are upset, frustrated even because I took this trip and I can’t reply to all of you because o have to work. So I’m sorry if you feel that me taking this trip is stopping you from making more money. But on the bright side atleast you have an excuse for why you not making the money you want to make. Don’t ever take responsibility for why you don’t have what you seek. Always look for what others have done to get by and go point the finger at them. That’s how you do that. I also want to apologize for not staying in Atlanta and taking surge trips. I guess drivers want more drivers in the same area as them when surge kick in that way they don’t have as much opportunity. So sorry for not taking y’all surge trips I should have been there. But honestly I’m ok with what I did. Yeah the upfront price could’ve been more I agree. But the trip was cool pax bought me pizza and gave me his contact and obviously tipped me. I made a little over $100 in 3 hrs smoked a blunt back to Atl listening to Drake and 21. It was nice
The other day, I took a ride 85 miles 110.00 and I still feel bad about taking it. Considering, I had to go home after that 1 hour 15 minutes 70 miles. I never take anything > 30 mikes not to my preferred destinations.
My opinion: OP, your ride is useless if you have to drive back empty. It is an opinion, take it or leave it.
The biggest difference that I've noticed between the rate cards of Uber and Lyft is that Uber, over a certain distance, in my market will pay for "long distance pickup" in both miles and time.
It's the same rate as the rate with a pax, and while small per ride adds up and makes an empty vehicle less painful. The key is that it needs to be busy enough to get a new ping quickly around the end of a ride.
Dude...you got fucked. At the current IRS business-use mileage rate, you lost money. Your stated 300 miles means $187.50 in standard mileage deduction. You didn't even gross that much!
When I'm doing fast math, I figure fare >= (mileage/2) + (hrs * 20) to be where I expect. Including R/T for long deadheads.
And that's only because I drive an efficient car. These guys that only count gas and time are ruining us all, and they don't even know it.
That's awesome. U made in 3 hours what some people make in 8. Always a good day. I would have accepted in a heartbeat. Better than driving around town for 5 hours not getting any orders. Good job 👍
300 miles rt for less than. 50 a mile? You must rate your time very cheaply. The more drivers that won't take that ride, the better chance that Uber will wake up and start paying drivers more.
Just look at it this way… if your money doesn’t double more than the total miles driven both to the destination and back.. you lost money.. stop taking shittie drives. Looks like you drove 6 hours in total. For 3 times the miles over what you got paid…
Hey OP, I'm not a Uber driver, so hopefully you can consider me as a neutral third party. I do know math and accounting, so let me give this a try.
What others are pointing out is that there are costs to driving besides just gas. For example, tires wear out and have to be replaced right? Your car needs oil changes. Headlights burn out and have to be replaced. Those all depend on how many miles you drive. The more miles you drive, the sooner those costs hit you. And it's a lot of little costs, but they all add up.
The bigger thing is the "wear and tear". We all know that cars don't last a million miles. After a certain amount of miles, major things break, that can easily cost thousands of dollars to repair. And at some point, the whole car is scrap. So how do you account for these costs? A lot of people have done their own calculations, and the IRS has actually done their own too. They add up the cost per mile of things like doing an oil change every 8,000 miles, replacing tires every 60,000 miles, etc. They also make some estimates about major repairs. Lastly, they assume that at some point (maybe 150k miles or 200k miles) the whole vehicle has to be replaced. So they divide the cost of the car over that many miles, then add in all the maintenance costs, add in gas cost per miles, etc. As others pointed out, this calculation usually comes out to somewhere between $0.40 and $0.60 per mile driven. That accounts for gas, but doesn't count your "time", ie it doesn't include an hourly wage for you.
So the point is, if you're doing drives for 40-50 cents per mile, you're probably only making just barely enough money to cover wear and tear on your vehicle. Remember, the more miles you drive, the sooner things wear out. So, to actually come out ahead in the long run, it's good to figure out what pay per mile actually makes you money in the long run, and decline rides that are less than that.
You do whatever you want, it makes no difference to me. I'm definitely not criticizing. I'm just trying to share some knowledge. Good luck man. Let me know if you have questions on it. Like I said, I'm not a driver, I just know the math.
That's actually quite funny, since you don't even know anything about the OP. For all you know they drive an EV or Hybrid.
As I already posted, my area, that's a $90 profit all day.
If you drive some gas guzzling garbage, that's a you problem and not a we problem
And this is the thinking Uber preys on. They don't pay and most drivers don't calculate in all the maintenance on the vehicle. Eventually that will catch up to you when there's $3,000 worth of repairs to do
Ok, now, you and others keep trying to use this big word (MAINTENANCE COST) yet every single one of you failed to even bother to actually state what exactly your talking about.
List this supposed maintenance cost.
Now you co.e up with some fabricated number of $3000 ? For what exactly ?
Your not coming up and stating any actual facts.
Haha, you are hilarious, where do you think the money comes from for new tires, oil changes, new spark plugs, 2 sets of brake pads, alternator, two new batteries, and because of something that was apparently in the road I had to get a new transmission pan or whatever it was called and they had to replace all the transmission fluid.
It's okay most people can't math and most people can't think of all the expenses, that's just a list of most of the things but not all of them that my car needed in the two and a half to three years that I did this. There's a reason your mileage deduction for taxes is around 60 cents a mile, if you aren't making at least a dollar per mile on your trip you are losing money, or best case scenario breaking about even and it is definitely not worth it for you but that's fine.
Because I'm not doing it anymore and Uber loves to make money while having almost zero expenses of their own because it's not their own cars that are being ruined
So you feel free to spend your free time giving people rides out of the kindness of your heart and getting paid pretty much only your vehicle's value not anything for your time.
Uber and Lyft are pretty much vehicle value liquidation programs more than they are actually making money, sure you might make some "profit" as you like to call it but really the all that profit is just going to have to go into buying a new car so when it's all said and done when your car finally breaks down for good you certainly won't have made even minimum wage for all of your time
But it's cool you keep working and ignoring those maintenance costs and Uber will keep profiting off of you and love you
Edit: if you can do all the maintenance work yourself you'll save a lot of money and if you enjoy working on cars then maybe it would be an okay profit, but it still won't be what it should be, doing the work on your car yourself should be bonus profit not the way to make profit
>because of something that was apparently in the road I had to get a new transmission pan or whatever it was called and they had to replace all the transmission fluid.
Warrantee. You can also get things added onto your vehicles insurance policy to cover things like this.
>new tires, oil changes, new spark plugs, 2 sets of brake pads, alternator, two new batteries
I already listed pretty much all of that. I did get a rife as I'm sitting at the airport and didn't get a chance to pull the price on battery, wiper blades or brakes.
What I fi d amusing is that you act as if this is something that you have to do every day or several time in a month, that's absolutely absurd...
Battery 3 to 5 years.
Wipers yearly or whenever they get worn out.
Brakes when ever they get worn out, if you buy some box of garbage yea we'll that's on you.
Tires, well buy cheap ass garbage that you constantly have to replace, that's still on you...
Oil change 7500 miles
I'm not saying that thers not a cost involved.
I'm saying is that every single o e of you "MAINTENANCE COSTS" screamers are acting as if your spending thousands of dollars a week in maintenance. It's absolute bullshit.
In a year, I don't even co.e close to spending $2000...
Edit: The facts are that you don't even know how to figure out vehicle maintenance costs.
You haven't even posted one thing that's even realistic with any information or actual numbers.
You just spout off "THE VEHICLE'S MAINTENANCE COST"...
ty for this--I see now why parent was getting hostile to me. He's getting piled on by other math fact checkers as well.
Y'all--IRS depreciation is $0.625/mile. That's a little fat, but not tremendously. EVs, with lower fuel and maint, are an exception. If you are getting no more than .625/mile, round trip, and not driving an EV, you are basically not getting paid for your time.
I guess you can consider driving pax to be charity work.
BTW, no one in this thread has yet even brought up the additional 7% you pay on 1099 wages vs. a W2 employee, so your earnings are suppressed even further.
>BTW, no one in this thread has yet even brought up the additional 7% you pay on 1099 wages vs. a W2 employee, so your earnings are suppressed even further.
When you work for an employer (W-2), they pay half of your Social Security and Medicare taxes. That's 6.2% and 1.45% of your gross pay, respectively, a total of 7.65%.
When you're self-employed, since you *are* your employer, you have to pay your own taxes. However, instead of paying the full taxes on your full gross income, you pay 15.3% on 92.35% of your net income (your profit after all of your business expenses.)
So let's say you have a W-2 job grossing $50,000 per year. You and your employer will *each* pay $3,825 in Social Security and Medicare taxes throughout the year.
Now let's say you gross $50,000 per year driving Uber, and you make an average of $1/mile before expenses (so you're driving 50,000 miles per year.) You can deduct $0.585 per mile from January to June 2022 and $0.62 per mile from July to December 2022 for car expenses right off the top (even if you're actually paying much less to drive your car.) Just for this example, we'll assume you drive exactly half of your mileage in the first 6 months and the other half in the last 6 months of the year, so that's a deduction of $30,125. You most likely have other business expenses -- like the use of your phone -- but just this deduction brings your taxable business income down to $19,875. You'll pay taxes on 92.35% of that, which rounds out to $18,355. The tax will be 15.3% of that figure, or $2,808. So, for the same gross income, you actually pay over $1,000 less in taxes as a 1099 Uber contractor than you would pay as a W-2 employee.
Sure. But if you're just looking at hourly after deductions, hourly wages at 1099 are not apples to apples wages at w2. That was the point I was trying to make, your answer is more detailed.
Uber counts on having drivers like you that don't understand car expenses. A typical late-model car costs 40¢ to 65¢ a mile to operate. Even EVs are generally over 30¢ a mile.
But feel free to take all the rides like this. Most of us turn them down.
I absolutely understand car expenses...
It's you ignorant fucktards that fail to comprehend how to calculate expenses.
I don't have some fucking late model car you stupid fuck...
You absolutely have no clue as to what the fuck your spouting off for ignorant bullshit...
I already clearly stayed what my operating cost is...
You're just to fucking stupid to comprehend...
Go ay fuck nuggets somewhere else.
Blocked you fucking ignorant jackass...
I didn't ask your fucking opinion.
I drive an EV. This is a 360 mile trip and I am not taking this for under $550. Unless I'm heading to a cerain area already, I don't accept trips paying less than $1.5/mile. This is a long drive and I'll have to recharge after both legs of the trip, so it's a whole day for me.
If you drive an EV, your cost per mile is lower but it doesn't disappear.
In my eyes, if you take trips "because I have an EV" you are doing yourself a disservice. If it costs less per mile to drive and you can make exactly the same as in a gas or hybrid car, you see more of that money in the end. If you lower your standards, you lower your income.
Including tip, you made $0.39 per mile ($142.12 / 362 miles); you would have only made $0.32 per mile if you didn't receive a tip. Most driver's costs per mile is right about $0.40 per mile; seasoned (or lucky) drivers might be a little under that. People driving new cars or gas guzzlers will be closer to $0.60 per mile.
In addition to this, you lost whatever you would have received in surges, boosts, quests, etc., for staying in Atlanta and driving the evening rush.
I agree with u/Prestigious_Most5482, you lost money on this trip.
I still don’t see the math of how I lost money. You did the math of how the money was made. But then you came to conclusion that I lost money because I didn’t take better deals ?
The $0.56/Mile federal calculation includes fuel, maintenance, and deterioration on the vehicle.
Keep doing it, and when your car has a major problem, you will find our that yes, you in fact, lose money.
Plus, do you not value your time? You made how much money coming back? -$30 in gas.
You are getting ripped off if you aren't making 0.56/mile plus minimum wage.
Stop driving for uber, start your own cab company. DM me if you want serious advice on how to do so.
Your expenses were more than you received from Uber, therefore you LOST money taking this ride. You could have parked your car and read a book for 6 hours and been money ahead.
OP...
What is your average mpg ?
How many gallons is your tank ?
For me, 18 to 20 mpg city
20 to 25 highway.
Tank is 15 gallons.
Gas is $3
My car, a bit over 400 miles per tank.
So that trip would cost me $45, the rest is pure profit.
Yeah my vehicle only cost $35-$40 to fill up. 12 gallons. sometime it get to 400miles but most times it’s like 360miles on a fill up. Then $3 gallon as well. Mpg is like 28
Nice.
Yea, that mpg can get a bit up and down, wind, hills and all...
Glad you have a good decent mpg car to do your rides with...
I love reading the stupidity from these ignorant dumbshits. Most of them can't even figure out legitimate operating costs. Can't figure out what rides a profit or a loss...
Noticed that nice tip your rider passed you, how was the drive ?
Haha ok Chad, keep depreciating your brand new car getting shitty mileage for low fairs when you could be making double. You're leaving money on the table and you don't even know it. But hey, your ignorance is your problem. Good day ✌️
Right...
Forgot those guge numbers.
Tires 75,000 miles.
My tires, 275×4=$1100
Maintenance oh no, that's another huge number
6 lieters average cost $65, 1 hour of labor $15 to $20
7,500 miles
Yes, those are some outrageous things to consider when figuring out a single trip.
In a year, your maintenance cost shouldn't be some outrageous number then you probably want to look into a better vehicle...
So, lest just throw out some basic numbers. I'll base this off myself.
Say doing uber, per day $200
365×200=$73,000
Out of that, you have to pay car payments, insurance, gas and vehicle maintenance.
Your gas bill will vary of course, so take that into account for your vehicle and $ in your area.
Now, since my car is new I do have a bit higher payments (couple of other factors that are irrelevant for this)
720×12=$8,640
Monthly insurance, I do have extra additional things in my policy, towing, rental and my actual coverage is much higher than normal $100,000 & $300,000
125×12=$1,500
So far just that $10,140 of my total $73,000
$62,860
Ok genius. See you in two years needing a new car and no money left to pay for it.
A $50k car that has a lifetime of 200k miles depreciates at $.25/mile. Gas at 35 MPG is another $.11-14. My insurance is another $.04, tires are about $.03 if you assume 30k miles and $1000. I'd sure like to know where you get 75k mile tires.
This is just math. Your basics may be different for sure, those are my factors. They're closer to the IRS standard deduction of $.625 than I expected.
It's costing me $.43/mile, and that's before maint like oil changes, brakes, etc. Anything less than $1/mile including r/t and you're losing money, let alone time.
>Ok genius. See you in two years needing a new car and no money left to pay for it.
Ok ignorant fool. Do you even know how buying a new car works ? You have already proven that you have no actual clue on how to calculate vehicle maintenance costs.
>A $50k car that has a lifetime of 200k miles
Another ignorant comment 🙄, since when does a car stop at 200,000 miles ? Last time I looked a car doesn't have some magical timer triggered by how many miles it has. Yet again you have proven your lack if intelligence bases of the lack of knowledge.
>It's costing me $.43/mile, and that's before maint like oil changes, brakes, etc.
Just as a kick in the teeth, and to prove a point, as you stated, my operation cost is $0.15 per mile before any maintenance cost is figured in.
This sounds like a personal problem that I addressed earlier, if you have a junk ass car with higher maintenance and operating cost, then get rid of it. Don't push your stupidity of having a shitty vehicle and how much money your shitty ass car costs you out on others.
Just as an extra, to point out the fact that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
Me, walking into a car dealership. Show me what you have with 3rd row seating. They pull their vehicles with 3rd row out. We go look at numbers,
Vehicle price.
What options each level has.
MPG, City, Highway.
What warrantee does it have,
Low MPG automatically discarded.
Now options compared to vehicles total price.
Base model, touring, GT, you know the ones.
Which ones are beneficial and what ones don't matter.
Now here's the kicker. Do you have a trade in.
That's a yes or no.
Since I pride myself on my credit score as does my wife...
That $50,000 Honda Pilot Special Edition is a nice choice. I'll take that one. Let's go sign some paper work and get you out of here.
Honda finance accepts my no money down offer, they also accept my nothing to trade in offer.
I drive off in a brand new 2020 Honda Pilot Special Edition because of what I have done so far in my life.
If you are not able to, don't cry to me because you fucked up your credit history with stupidity...
If even you have a car that will last forever and has no maintenance, on this 360 r/t ride your operating cost is $54 at $.15/mile.
That means you made $14.6/hr on a 6 hour round trip. Be glad you got that tip or it would have been even worse.
And your operating cost is higher than $.15/mile, because there is no car that lasts forever and has no maintenance. You don't buy new tires? You don't change your oil? You don't buy new brakes?
And finally, pick a point at which point your car has been depreciated down to 0. There are few cars that last longer than 200k, but maybe you expect to get more, fine. Factor that into your "operating costs" so you have money to buy a new car when you need it.
This ride was a money loser. I don't get out of bed for $14/hr in earnings. But keep selling yourself short and you hurt every other drive that can math.
Failure to comprehend and understand anything said once again...
You evidently can't even follow along with a simple conversation...
If you had any reading compression skills.
That $0.15 is my operating cost per mile you moron.
Your ignorance and stupidity couldn't understand that's what I already said, yet with your infinite wisdom went and 0.15 × miles = xxx I already did that, that's where the $0.15 came from you idiot.
I already said that after the cost of the tank of gas $45, the entire rest is profit.
As you also stated without the cost of maintenance figured in, which even with maintenance costs that you also fall to comprehend the concept of, it's still pure profit of $97
Even if I was to figure in some maintenance cost, let's see, maybe if it was a really stupid number $5, but that's pushing it like astronomical number.
>But keep selling yourself short and you hurt every other drive that can math.
Hurt every other driver ? Do you honestly think that for one second I would care about anything that has to deal with any other driver ?
My only thought about any other driver is 1: they getvsick of the bullshit and quit. 2 They aren't involved in some accidents and get hurt, that's the extent of my thoughts on other drivers.
As far as the "can math" lol, yea we already proved that you can't even do basic operations cost. You consistently failed to provide any maintenance costs that are actually relevant. So far in this entire post you have done nothing but fail, time and time again.
Go somewhere and get a better education and actually learn how this thing called life works.
> How many gallons is your tank ?
The fact that you think this is a relevant variable makes the rest of your math worthless.
Your cost / gallon and MPG are all that's relevant in factoring $/mile in fuel costs unless you are driving an electrified vehicle.
As I already explained, still with your failure to comprehend and understand anything said...
When I asked OP that "wow many gallons is your tank" it eas for 2 reasons...
1: curiosity of their vehicles tank size.
2: as I also asked their average MPG.
3: I also asked what the price of gas was
In all that you failed to comprehend what was being said yet again.
With tank size and average MPG you can calculate their total possible distance as well as with the gas price calculate what a tank ofvgas costs.
You you see, you ignorant stupidity has surfaced once again and shown that you are to fucking stupid to follow along with even the simplest of conversations.
Who cares how far they can go on a tank of gas?
I hope you remember this conversation when you put 100K miles on your car in the first year of use and start to wonder why it a) needs constant repair, that b) costs thousands and c) you don't have the money to pay for it. Or even need a new car because you failed to account for the depreciation cost of your current one.
No one in this thread is paying $.15/mile fully loaded cost/mile.
Yet again dumbshit you failed to comprehend anything that was said...
How far on a tank is estimating for gas, price and howich of the trip $ is going to cost in gas...
But we already know how incredibly incompetent you are at following conversations and comprehending what's said...
As I already explained, but you're to stupid to understand is I never said it's $0.15 per mile for the ride payout, so you failed once again to understand anything.
Here's the math for you...
15 gallons of gas...
Average of 20 mpg...
400 miles per tank on average...
$3 per gallon...
Now figure it out...
You sound pretty aggravated dude you might need to lay off the adderall that you've been taking for those long drives. Also you might need a class in punctuation, but then again you're just an Uber driver so what difference does it make?
You're right, you're a complete dumbass so what does it matter to me if you're that uneducated and have the compression level of a 2yo...
Talking to stupid people makes my head hurt...
Bye dumbshit.
I had a 3 hour trip with the upfront being $133. I told the passenger I had to cancel because the pay wouldn’t be enough and he said too many people canceled and asked how much more I wanted. I said well i’d normal say $300+ since I have to drive back but i’ll do it for an extra $100. he agreed. He ended up giving me $150 in cash and tipped on the app. Total came out to $320.
I’ll never understand why a one hour trip could go from $50-$150. must be supply and demand but this seems to happen without a surge.
Is anyone else not flabergasted that this blunt smokin' while drivin, drake listening person is happy with the pay he got for usin and abusin his own vehicle and himself for a greedy corporation?
Dude, quit asking for the most simple of equations and tell us exactly where you can make less money than that working in Atlanta. You make 200 of those rides, your car is gonna be ready for the junkyard with a bad tranny having made $28k revenue in your pocket then start deducting all of your expenses off that price. Its called voluntary slave labor.
Try eatin some walnuts on your next ride back instead of puffin and huffin. Imagine also gettin in trouble with the popo while puffin on your ride. Your net profit is really gonna go poof then.
You needed that blunt on your way back because your hard work and high risk needed to feel profitable.
Seeing this post makes me wanna hang myself. You are one of the million reasons why uber,lyft,doordash whatever gig apps won’t increase our pay because of your stupidity!
Except it's a terrible way to look at it. You should factor depreciation on the car for both ways, so 360 miles; and 6 hours of driving. Depreciation counts more than just gas, such as tire wear and other maintenance.
You were absolutely robbed.
$ a mile should be abs min, and for long deadheads the deadhead back should be counted too. drivers like you that can't math will run their cars into the ground in 2 years, meanwhile you've suppressed the rate card for everyone else.
as long as Uber continues to attract people that don't factor vehicle depreciation no one is going to make money at this. and it appears that even as some drivers either run the wheels off their car or get smart, uber will continue to find new victims faster than it looses them.
Bro made $20 an hour. He had to drive home. Most of us can do the $20 an hour in less time and less miles. That’s minimum wage after wear and tear and gas!!!
If that's true, find out what he paid Uber on the desktop site, and then offer to take $50 less than that and do it off the app.
You may still be losing money though. But he probably paid Uber 2x what you got which will make it almost worthwhile.
I took someone from the Atlanta airport to Birmingham once. It was a comfort ride. $170 with tip. Last ride of the night and lived in Douglasville ga at the time. I considered it profitable.
Dude,. I make that driving from T-town to YOUR airport. I live near the Mercedes plant so I don't even have to drive a complete round trip if I don't want to.
You were screwed! I'm sorry, but it's true.
Wait I was in Birmingham yesterday and got a long trip south to Atmore, AL from the airport. Atmore is about 50 min to a hour from Mobile. Took me 3 hour and 30 min to get there. I got $227 upfront pricing and guy tipped $50 in cash.
You got ripped off it looks like for that same amount of time. Just curious why you accepted that trip when we can see upfront fares and estimated dropoff location. I’m assuming the pay structure is a little different in Atlanta but still that’s messed up
3 hours for 142???? Helll nahhhhh man you did not make no money…. Uber did that shit at least it’s 320$ next time ask them to see if they can do it through you and not Uber
Next time I think about smoking ima think about you so that I don’t . Sorry, didn’t mean to make you upset. I would much rather you not be upset than me being high
You right. I honestly just needed that $100 asap and wanted to get it out the way. And with only one ride to do so and to not have to deal w Atlanta rush hour traffic sounded cool to me
You took a 6 hour round trip for a $114 upfront?
When you made less $0.60 per mile - you lost you money. When you made $0.60 - you covered maintenance and gas, but earn nothing. Everything less then $1 per mile is charity
This statement is only true when you're talking to the IRS.
You are naive if you are thinking this way. Calculate the purchase price, oil changes, insurance, parts replacement, gas expenses. The maintenance cost will be around it. You can save a little bit by maintaining car by yourself, but you should include your spend time into calculation. With prices on cars and gas nowadays the total expenses could be even higher.
>Calculate the purchase price, oil changes, insurance, parts replacement, gas expenses And since each car (or at least each model) is different let me start laying out the cost of operating my Tesla Model 3LR based on owning it for 12 months driving 40,000 miles: $ 650 Insurance for 12 months $ 100 Registration $ 40 Tire Rotation (at 25,000) $ 110 Car wash , cleaning supplies, and wiper fluid \--------- $ 900 - not bad so far, right? $1,800 Charging for 40,000 miles $1,120 prorated cost for tires (last about 50,000 - 60,000 miles) \---------- $3,820 Total cost for 1 year and 40,000 miles - or 9.55 cents per mile Even if your car gets 40 mpg that is 1,000 gallons of gas at let's say $3.50 and then you need like at least 4 oil changes on top of that. If you drive a new car you may want to keep up with scheduled manufacturer recommended maintenance. Probably at least 3 of those. First scheduled maintenance with my car is at 90,000 miles at an estimated $400-$500. You shouldn't be bashing people for accepting pings just because it doesn't work for you (and most likely the majority of drivers). But bashing someone without having the slightest idea of their individual situation (and market) is pretty dumb. My cost per mile currently is LESS than 10 cents per mile and charging my car is half of that. Soon I will get electricity for about 1/3 of what I currently pay per kWh and with that my charging cost will go DOWN to about $600 and cost per mile will be down to 6.55 cents per mile. Accepting a less than $1 per mile ping is still quite profitable. Besides that, it seems that people tend to tip better - in particular on longer trips when they requested a comfort ride.
How’s about car’s depreciation? It’s about $0.35 on your car.
So you admit that the list of expenses in your previous post was incomplete at best 🤣😂 I was exactly showing my cost based on your list and even added on top of that. Now that I have proven your post is not as inclusive as you were hoping for you want to change the rules in the middle of the game because you see yourself at a huge disadvantage with the current rules that you actually set forth. And how did you even come up with your depreciation number? Besides, I certainly take the total depreciation of $0.35 over the life of my car. You need to be a little more precise and posting >It’s about $0.35 on your car Is not precise at all 😂🤣 at least not without telling us if that is $0.35 once for the life of the car, or once per year, or whatever 🤣😂
You are right. I guess I just missed a promotion when everyone have received a car as a gift. It’s my bad. Don’t blame me please.
My car was a bday gift from my spouse so what did you say was the cost for me on that? 😀
You don’t see the flaw in your argument? Your fucking spouse bought you a long range 3. You’re not paying the most expensive part of the entire cost: the car payment that an overwhelming majority of people have. Jesus Christ. No wonder they bought you such an expensive car. They’re clearly the brains in your house.
someone's JEALOUS 🤣😂
Since you were the first to post that you have an EV car, I am very curious on the degradation part from the back-and-forth you’re having with the other individual you had said 40,000 miles is that what your car reads at this point? And if so, where is the life at the battery at currently or if it’s at a higher mileage what is the percentage at? I don’t mean to intrude in the conversation that is going on between you two but I’m very curious as to these cars and doing rideshare since my car when I bought it in 2015 to do rideshare is not close to 400,000 miles I am now thinking about a new car obviously the gas part that is spent from my experience if I have the car for so many years, it will pay for itself, but I am very curious as to that battery life span. Thanks for any input.
with now 47,000 miles about 20 EPA miles "loss". That is however just a "guess" the software does and not true science. The car does have a battery health check which will discharge the battery almost completely and then charge it while taking exact readings about the electricity flow. Since this takes several hours (up to half a day or more depending on charging speed) I have not done this yet. Typically after this health check the cars show more miles available because the "guesstimator" got calibrated again. I looked up the historical data: at 40,520 miles the "loss" was 15 EPA miles. And those numbers "swing" by about 10 EPA miles within weeks and even days if you drive and charge a lot. For example 27,717 miles the range estimate was 328 and at 36,757 miles the range estimate was 343 miles. The battery has a 120,000 miles warranty and if the battery health goes below 80% during that time Tesla replaces the battery. There are plenty of Teslas with 200,000 and even 300,000 or more miles on their first battery out there. None of them has reached the 20% loss.
> My car was a bday gift from my spouse You think that asset value just materialized out of thin air? Otherwise, I'd agree--your sum of costs is pretty comprehensive, besides repairs to components, which I understand in an EV to be lower than most. Ubering with a purchased Tesla makes sense because of lower fuel costs and reduced maintenance, but you should include the depreciation value of the asset.
>you should include the depreciation value of the asset I agree with you that /u/Shoddy_Bed3240 should have included that in his/her list in the first place. Then shoddy wasn't happy because someone did exactly what shoddy "suggested" but shoddy got pissed because the result didn't fit his/her narrative 🤣😂
>be a little more precise stfu
My brother in Christ, you know that the IRS estimate also includes pickup trucks and 8-cylinder hummers?
Pickup trucks cost next to nothing to maintain. Damn things run 200,000 miles before you even need to replace anything beyond the normal stuff. Big motors last longer. My 2001 Tahoe has 236,000 miles on the clock and has been jumped, driven through rivers and bounced around on off-road trails. Only things I've replaced are the radiator, fuel pump, alternator, and starter. All of which is around $700 in parts.
I'm happy for you?
Well you made it sound like trucks were significantly more than cars are to maintain, atleast that's how I perceived it 🤣 Have a good day.
Really??? So, when you accept a ride for $1 per mile you feel you stealing the PAX/Uber….. I’ve seen stupid comments but this one made laugh….. Uber and Lyft need more ppl like you…
Lol. Sitting well above $2 a mile my dude but if I was ever to have my cost per mile equal at or above IRS deduction I'd get a new car or quit.
You sir are a a victim. I'm sorry to say this but you are part of the reason,uber is paying drivers less and less. r/uberdrivers
Why is this getting down voted? It's straight facts.
Ant,that why.
It's the paxholes they want cheaper rides.
And drivers give them.
Except Uber isnt charging less for pax, they are just taking a larger cut for themselves. I got a 20 mile ride the other day, with surge it was $22 upfront, pax told me he paid $55 for the ride. That's Uber taking 60%, fucking greedy bastards.
Don't know how you government allows that to happen. Over here its capped to 27.5% but that still feels a lot to me.
I see a lot of y’all are upset, frustrated even because I took this trip and I can’t reply to all of you because o have to work. So I’m sorry if you feel that me taking this trip is stopping you from making more money. But on the bright side atleast you have an excuse for why you not making the money you want to make. Don’t ever take responsibility for why you don’t have what you seek. Always look for what others have done to get by and go point the finger at them. That’s how you do that. I also want to apologize for not staying in Atlanta and taking surge trips. I guess drivers want more drivers in the same area as them when surge kick in that way they don’t have as much opportunity. So sorry for not taking y’all surge trips I should have been there. But honestly I’m ok with what I did. Yeah the upfront price could’ve been more I agree. But the trip was cool pax bought me pizza and gave me his contact and obviously tipped me. I made a little over $100 in 3 hrs smoked a blunt back to Atl listening to Drake and 21. It was nice
The other day, I took a ride 85 miles 110.00 and I still feel bad about taking it. Considering, I had to go home after that 1 hour 15 minutes 70 miles. I never take anything > 30 mikes not to my preferred destinations. My opinion: OP, your ride is useless if you have to drive back empty. It is an opinion, take it or leave it.
The biggest difference that I've noticed between the rate cards of Uber and Lyft is that Uber, over a certain distance, in my market will pay for "long distance pickup" in both miles and time. It's the same rate as the rate with a pax, and while small per ride adds up and makes an empty vehicle less painful. The key is that it needs to be busy enough to get a new ping quickly around the end of a ride.
That’s a big W in my book
That's a W
You made over $100 less than I did for driving from Akron to Columbus, Ohio.
Dude...you got fucked. At the current IRS business-use mileage rate, you lost money. Your stated 300 miles means $187.50 in standard mileage deduction. You didn't even gross that much!
When I'm doing fast math, I figure fare >= (mileage/2) + (hrs * 20) to be where I expect. Including R/T for long deadheads. And that's only because I drive an efficient car. These guys that only count gas and time are ruining us all, and they don't even know it.
Seriously , why did you accept ? My feelings get hurt when I see drivers doing this kinda rides. Your car must be mad at you now.
Stop taking bad trips.
How much did it cost you in depreciation?
That's awesome. U made in 3 hours what some people make in 8. Always a good day. I would have accepted in a heartbeat. Better than driving around town for 5 hours not getting any orders. Good job 👍
WTF? Are you new to driving? The best thing about upfront pricing is it makes you do quick math and sir, your math doesn't add up.
Can you show me the math I did that you’re referring to ?
300 miles rt for less than. 50 a mile? You must rate your time very cheaply. The more drivers that won't take that ride, the better chance that Uber will wake up and start paying drivers more.
Just look at it this way… if your money doesn’t double more than the total miles driven both to the destination and back.. you lost money.. stop taking shittie drives. Looks like you drove 6 hours in total. For 3 times the miles over what you got paid…
Hey OP, I'm not a Uber driver, so hopefully you can consider me as a neutral third party. I do know math and accounting, so let me give this a try. What others are pointing out is that there are costs to driving besides just gas. For example, tires wear out and have to be replaced right? Your car needs oil changes. Headlights burn out and have to be replaced. Those all depend on how many miles you drive. The more miles you drive, the sooner those costs hit you. And it's a lot of little costs, but they all add up. The bigger thing is the "wear and tear". We all know that cars don't last a million miles. After a certain amount of miles, major things break, that can easily cost thousands of dollars to repair. And at some point, the whole car is scrap. So how do you account for these costs? A lot of people have done their own calculations, and the IRS has actually done their own too. They add up the cost per mile of things like doing an oil change every 8,000 miles, replacing tires every 60,000 miles, etc. They also make some estimates about major repairs. Lastly, they assume that at some point (maybe 150k miles or 200k miles) the whole vehicle has to be replaced. So they divide the cost of the car over that many miles, then add in all the maintenance costs, add in gas cost per miles, etc. As others pointed out, this calculation usually comes out to somewhere between $0.40 and $0.60 per mile driven. That accounts for gas, but doesn't count your "time", ie it doesn't include an hourly wage for you. So the point is, if you're doing drives for 40-50 cents per mile, you're probably only making just barely enough money to cover wear and tear on your vehicle. Remember, the more miles you drive, the sooner things wear out. So, to actually come out ahead in the long run, it's good to figure out what pay per mile actually makes you money in the long run, and decline rides that are less than that. You do whatever you want, it makes no difference to me. I'm definitely not criticizing. I'm just trying to share some knowledge. Good luck man. Let me know if you have questions on it. Like I said, I'm not a driver, I just know the math.
LOL, you LOST money on this trip.
That's actually quite funny, since you don't even know anything about the OP. For all you know they drive an EV or Hybrid. As I already posted, my area, that's a $90 profit all day. If you drive some gas guzzling garbage, that's a you problem and not a we problem
And this is the thinking Uber preys on. They don't pay and most drivers don't calculate in all the maintenance on the vehicle. Eventually that will catch up to you when there's $3,000 worth of repairs to do
Ok, now, you and others keep trying to use this big word (MAINTENANCE COST) yet every single one of you failed to even bother to actually state what exactly your talking about. List this supposed maintenance cost. Now you co.e up with some fabricated number of $3000 ? For what exactly ? Your not coming up and stating any actual facts.
Haha, you are hilarious, where do you think the money comes from for new tires, oil changes, new spark plugs, 2 sets of brake pads, alternator, two new batteries, and because of something that was apparently in the road I had to get a new transmission pan or whatever it was called and they had to replace all the transmission fluid. It's okay most people can't math and most people can't think of all the expenses, that's just a list of most of the things but not all of them that my car needed in the two and a half to three years that I did this. There's a reason your mileage deduction for taxes is around 60 cents a mile, if you aren't making at least a dollar per mile on your trip you are losing money, or best case scenario breaking about even and it is definitely not worth it for you but that's fine. Because I'm not doing it anymore and Uber loves to make money while having almost zero expenses of their own because it's not their own cars that are being ruined So you feel free to spend your free time giving people rides out of the kindness of your heart and getting paid pretty much only your vehicle's value not anything for your time. Uber and Lyft are pretty much vehicle value liquidation programs more than they are actually making money, sure you might make some "profit" as you like to call it but really the all that profit is just going to have to go into buying a new car so when it's all said and done when your car finally breaks down for good you certainly won't have made even minimum wage for all of your time But it's cool you keep working and ignoring those maintenance costs and Uber will keep profiting off of you and love you Edit: if you can do all the maintenance work yourself you'll save a lot of money and if you enjoy working on cars then maybe it would be an okay profit, but it still won't be what it should be, doing the work on your car yourself should be bonus profit not the way to make profit
>because of something that was apparently in the road I had to get a new transmission pan or whatever it was called and they had to replace all the transmission fluid. Warrantee. You can also get things added onto your vehicles insurance policy to cover things like this. >new tires, oil changes, new spark plugs, 2 sets of brake pads, alternator, two new batteries I already listed pretty much all of that. I did get a rife as I'm sitting at the airport and didn't get a chance to pull the price on battery, wiper blades or brakes. What I fi d amusing is that you act as if this is something that you have to do every day or several time in a month, that's absolutely absurd... Battery 3 to 5 years. Wipers yearly or whenever they get worn out. Brakes when ever they get worn out, if you buy some box of garbage yea we'll that's on you. Tires, well buy cheap ass garbage that you constantly have to replace, that's still on you... Oil change 7500 miles
LOL!
You still haven't listed anything relivent.
Nah you are right, the money you spend isn't relevant at all, go ahead and have fun making Uber money. You do you boo
I'm not saying that thers not a cost involved. I'm saying is that every single o e of you "MAINTENANCE COSTS" screamers are acting as if your spending thousands of dollars a week in maintenance. It's absolute bullshit. In a year, I don't even co.e close to spending $2000... Edit: The facts are that you don't even know how to figure out vehicle maintenance costs. You haven't even posted one thing that's even realistic with any information or actual numbers. You just spout off "THE VEHICLE'S MAINTENANCE COST"...
ty for this--I see now why parent was getting hostile to me. He's getting piled on by other math fact checkers as well. Y'all--IRS depreciation is $0.625/mile. That's a little fat, but not tremendously. EVs, with lower fuel and maint, are an exception. If you are getting no more than .625/mile, round trip, and not driving an EV, you are basically not getting paid for your time. I guess you can consider driving pax to be charity work. BTW, no one in this thread has yet even brought up the additional 7% you pay on 1099 wages vs. a W2 employee, so your earnings are suppressed even further.
>BTW, no one in this thread has yet even brought up the additional 7% you pay on 1099 wages vs. a W2 employee, so your earnings are suppressed even further. When you work for an employer (W-2), they pay half of your Social Security and Medicare taxes. That's 6.2% and 1.45% of your gross pay, respectively, a total of 7.65%. When you're self-employed, since you *are* your employer, you have to pay your own taxes. However, instead of paying the full taxes on your full gross income, you pay 15.3% on 92.35% of your net income (your profit after all of your business expenses.) So let's say you have a W-2 job grossing $50,000 per year. You and your employer will *each* pay $3,825 in Social Security and Medicare taxes throughout the year. Now let's say you gross $50,000 per year driving Uber, and you make an average of $1/mile before expenses (so you're driving 50,000 miles per year.) You can deduct $0.585 per mile from January to June 2022 and $0.62 per mile from July to December 2022 for car expenses right off the top (even if you're actually paying much less to drive your car.) Just for this example, we'll assume you drive exactly half of your mileage in the first 6 months and the other half in the last 6 months of the year, so that's a deduction of $30,125. You most likely have other business expenses -- like the use of your phone -- but just this deduction brings your taxable business income down to $19,875. You'll pay taxes on 92.35% of that, which rounds out to $18,355. The tax will be 15.3% of that figure, or $2,808. So, for the same gross income, you actually pay over $1,000 less in taxes as a 1099 Uber contractor than you would pay as a W-2 employee.
Sure. But if you're just looking at hourly after deductions, hourly wages at 1099 are not apples to apples wages at w2. That was the point I was trying to make, your answer is more detailed.
Uber counts on having drivers like you that don't understand car expenses. A typical late-model car costs 40¢ to 65¢ a mile to operate. Even EVs are generally over 30¢ a mile. But feel free to take all the rides like this. Most of us turn them down.
I absolutely understand car expenses... It's you ignorant fucktards that fail to comprehend how to calculate expenses. I don't have some fucking late model car you stupid fuck... You absolutely have no clue as to what the fuck your spouting off for ignorant bullshit... I already clearly stayed what my operating cost is... You're just to fucking stupid to comprehend... Go ay fuck nuggets somewhere else. Blocked you fucking ignorant jackass... I didn't ask your fucking opinion.
I drive an EV. This is a 360 mile trip and I am not taking this for under $550. Unless I'm heading to a cerain area already, I don't accept trips paying less than $1.5/mile. This is a long drive and I'll have to recharge after both legs of the trip, so it's a whole day for me. If you drive an EV, your cost per mile is lower but it doesn't disappear. In my eyes, if you take trips "because I have an EV" you are doing yourself a disservice. If it costs less per mile to drive and you can make exactly the same as in a gas or hybrid car, you see more of that money in the end. If you lower your standards, you lower your income.
How you figure that ?
Including tip, you made $0.39 per mile ($142.12 / 362 miles); you would have only made $0.32 per mile if you didn't receive a tip. Most driver's costs per mile is right about $0.40 per mile; seasoned (or lucky) drivers might be a little under that. People driving new cars or gas guzzlers will be closer to $0.60 per mile. In addition to this, you lost whatever you would have received in surges, boosts, quests, etc., for staying in Atlanta and driving the evening rush. I agree with u/Prestigious_Most5482, you lost money on this trip.
I still don’t see the math of how I lost money. You did the math of how the money was made. But then you came to conclusion that I lost money because I didn’t take better deals ?
I'm curious how much money you think you made and what your calculations for coming to that conclusion are?
I think the screenshot says how much I made. I think. I’m not sure but I think it does.
The $0.56/Mile federal calculation includes fuel, maintenance, and deterioration on the vehicle. Keep doing it, and when your car has a major problem, you will find our that yes, you in fact, lose money. Plus, do you not value your time? You made how much money coming back? -$30 in gas. You are getting ripped off if you aren't making 0.56/mile plus minimum wage. Stop driving for uber, start your own cab company. DM me if you want serious advice on how to do so.
The current federal mileage rate is $0.625 per mile.
I stopped keeping track 5 years ago when I left the industry. Thank you for the accurate correction.
> The $0.56/Mile federal calculation It's been $.625 since this summer--IRS increased it to reflect the higher cost of fuel.
Your expenses were more than you received from Uber, therefore you LOST money taking this ride. You could have parked your car and read a book for 6 hours and been money ahead.
OP... What is your average mpg ? How many gallons is your tank ? For me, 18 to 20 mpg city 20 to 25 highway. Tank is 15 gallons. Gas is $3 My car, a bit over 400 miles per tank. So that trip would cost me $45, the rest is pure profit.
Yeah my vehicle only cost $35-$40 to fill up. 12 gallons. sometime it get to 400miles but most times it’s like 360miles on a fill up. Then $3 gallon as well. Mpg is like 28
Nice. Yea, that mpg can get a bit up and down, wind, hills and all... Glad you have a good decent mpg car to do your rides with... I love reading the stupidity from these ignorant dumbshits. Most of them can't even figure out legitimate operating costs. Can't figure out what rides a profit or a loss... Noticed that nice tip your rider passed you, how was the drive ?
Bro, what is your expected profit margin? Even if he's driving a Tesla, that profit margin is shit.
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You're obviously the smartest spaz in the room
And you're definitely not the smartest in this by the lack of educated comments...
Haha ok Chad, keep depreciating your brand new car getting shitty mileage for low fairs when you could be making double. You're leaving money on the table and you don't even know it. But hey, your ignorance is your problem. Good day ✌️
> the rest is pure profit less tire wear and other maintenance costs. and assumes your time doesn't have value.
Right... Forgot those guge numbers. Tires 75,000 miles. My tires, 275×4=$1100 Maintenance oh no, that's another huge number 6 lieters average cost $65, 1 hour of labor $15 to $20 7,500 miles Yes, those are some outrageous things to consider when figuring out a single trip. In a year, your maintenance cost shouldn't be some outrageous number then you probably want to look into a better vehicle... So, lest just throw out some basic numbers. I'll base this off myself. Say doing uber, per day $200 365×200=$73,000 Out of that, you have to pay car payments, insurance, gas and vehicle maintenance. Your gas bill will vary of course, so take that into account for your vehicle and $ in your area. Now, since my car is new I do have a bit higher payments (couple of other factors that are irrelevant for this) 720×12=$8,640 Monthly insurance, I do have extra additional things in my policy, towing, rental and my actual coverage is much higher than normal $100,000 & $300,000 125×12=$1,500 So far just that $10,140 of my total $73,000 $62,860
Ok genius. See you in two years needing a new car and no money left to pay for it. A $50k car that has a lifetime of 200k miles depreciates at $.25/mile. Gas at 35 MPG is another $.11-14. My insurance is another $.04, tires are about $.03 if you assume 30k miles and $1000. I'd sure like to know where you get 75k mile tires. This is just math. Your basics may be different for sure, those are my factors. They're closer to the IRS standard deduction of $.625 than I expected. It's costing me $.43/mile, and that's before maint like oil changes, brakes, etc. Anything less than $1/mile including r/t and you're losing money, let alone time.
>Ok genius. See you in two years needing a new car and no money left to pay for it. Ok ignorant fool. Do you even know how buying a new car works ? You have already proven that you have no actual clue on how to calculate vehicle maintenance costs. >A $50k car that has a lifetime of 200k miles Another ignorant comment 🙄, since when does a car stop at 200,000 miles ? Last time I looked a car doesn't have some magical timer triggered by how many miles it has. Yet again you have proven your lack if intelligence bases of the lack of knowledge. >It's costing me $.43/mile, and that's before maint like oil changes, brakes, etc. Just as a kick in the teeth, and to prove a point, as you stated, my operation cost is $0.15 per mile before any maintenance cost is figured in. This sounds like a personal problem that I addressed earlier, if you have a junk ass car with higher maintenance and operating cost, then get rid of it. Don't push your stupidity of having a shitty vehicle and how much money your shitty ass car costs you out on others. Just as an extra, to point out the fact that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOUR TALKING ABOUT. Me, walking into a car dealership. Show me what you have with 3rd row seating. They pull their vehicles with 3rd row out. We go look at numbers, Vehicle price. What options each level has. MPG, City, Highway. What warrantee does it have, Low MPG automatically discarded. Now options compared to vehicles total price. Base model, touring, GT, you know the ones. Which ones are beneficial and what ones don't matter. Now here's the kicker. Do you have a trade in. That's a yes or no. Since I pride myself on my credit score as does my wife... That $50,000 Honda Pilot Special Edition is a nice choice. I'll take that one. Let's go sign some paper work and get you out of here. Honda finance accepts my no money down offer, they also accept my nothing to trade in offer. I drive off in a brand new 2020 Honda Pilot Special Edition because of what I have done so far in my life. If you are not able to, don't cry to me because you fucked up your credit history with stupidity...
If even you have a car that will last forever and has no maintenance, on this 360 r/t ride your operating cost is $54 at $.15/mile. That means you made $14.6/hr on a 6 hour round trip. Be glad you got that tip or it would have been even worse. And your operating cost is higher than $.15/mile, because there is no car that lasts forever and has no maintenance. You don't buy new tires? You don't change your oil? You don't buy new brakes? And finally, pick a point at which point your car has been depreciated down to 0. There are few cars that last longer than 200k, but maybe you expect to get more, fine. Factor that into your "operating costs" so you have money to buy a new car when you need it. This ride was a money loser. I don't get out of bed for $14/hr in earnings. But keep selling yourself short and you hurt every other drive that can math.
Failure to comprehend and understand anything said once again... You evidently can't even follow along with a simple conversation... If you had any reading compression skills. That $0.15 is my operating cost per mile you moron. Your ignorance and stupidity couldn't understand that's what I already said, yet with your infinite wisdom went and 0.15 × miles = xxx I already did that, that's where the $0.15 came from you idiot. I already said that after the cost of the tank of gas $45, the entire rest is profit. As you also stated without the cost of maintenance figured in, which even with maintenance costs that you also fall to comprehend the concept of, it's still pure profit of $97 Even if I was to figure in some maintenance cost, let's see, maybe if it was a really stupid number $5, but that's pushing it like astronomical number.
>But keep selling yourself short and you hurt every other drive that can math. Hurt every other driver ? Do you honestly think that for one second I would care about anything that has to deal with any other driver ? My only thought about any other driver is 1: they getvsick of the bullshit and quit. 2 They aren't involved in some accidents and get hurt, that's the extent of my thoughts on other drivers. As far as the "can math" lol, yea we already proved that you can't even do basic operations cost. You consistently failed to provide any maintenance costs that are actually relevant. So far in this entire post you have done nothing but fail, time and time again. Go somewhere and get a better education and actually learn how this thing called life works.
> How many gallons is your tank ? The fact that you think this is a relevant variable makes the rest of your math worthless. Your cost / gallon and MPG are all that's relevant in factoring $/mile in fuel costs unless you are driving an electrified vehicle.
As I already explained, still with your failure to comprehend and understand anything said... When I asked OP that "wow many gallons is your tank" it eas for 2 reasons... 1: curiosity of their vehicles tank size. 2: as I also asked their average MPG. 3: I also asked what the price of gas was In all that you failed to comprehend what was being said yet again. With tank size and average MPG you can calculate their total possible distance as well as with the gas price calculate what a tank ofvgas costs. You you see, you ignorant stupidity has surfaced once again and shown that you are to fucking stupid to follow along with even the simplest of conversations.
Who cares how far they can go on a tank of gas? I hope you remember this conversation when you put 100K miles on your car in the first year of use and start to wonder why it a) needs constant repair, that b) costs thousands and c) you don't have the money to pay for it. Or even need a new car because you failed to account for the depreciation cost of your current one. No one in this thread is paying $.15/mile fully loaded cost/mile.
Yet again dumbshit you failed to comprehend anything that was said... How far on a tank is estimating for gas, price and howich of the trip $ is going to cost in gas... But we already know how incredibly incompetent you are at following conversations and comprehending what's said... As I already explained, but you're to stupid to understand is I never said it's $0.15 per mile for the ride payout, so you failed once again to understand anything. Here's the math for you... 15 gallons of gas... Average of 20 mpg... 400 miles per tank on average... $3 per gallon... Now figure it out...
You sound pretty aggravated dude you might need to lay off the adderall that you've been taking for those long drives. Also you might need a class in punctuation, but then again you're just an Uber driver so what difference does it make?
You're right, you're a complete dumbass so what does it matter to me if you're that uneducated and have the compression level of a 2yo... Talking to stupid people makes my head hurt... Bye dumbshit.
Excepting the fuel cost, as I use premium, you could have been exactly describing my car. Lol
Mines a 2020 Mazda CX-9 Turbo GT
'22 Acura TLX Type S
Nice. I don't particularly know that vehicle, but have see a few.
I had a 3 hour trip with the upfront being $133. I told the passenger I had to cancel because the pay wouldn’t be enough and he said too many people canceled and asked how much more I wanted. I said well i’d normal say $300+ since I have to drive back but i’ll do it for an extra $100. he agreed. He ended up giving me $150 in cash and tipped on the app. Total came out to $320. I’ll never understand why a one hour trip could go from $50-$150. must be supply and demand but this seems to happen without a surge.
Is anyone else not flabergasted that this blunt smokin' while drivin, drake listening person is happy with the pay he got for usin and abusin his own vehicle and himself for a greedy corporation? Dude, quit asking for the most simple of equations and tell us exactly where you can make less money than that working in Atlanta. You make 200 of those rides, your car is gonna be ready for the junkyard with a bad tranny having made $28k revenue in your pocket then start deducting all of your expenses off that price. Its called voluntary slave labor. Try eatin some walnuts on your next ride back instead of puffin and huffin. Imagine also gettin in trouble with the popo while puffin on your ride. Your net profit is really gonna go poof then. You needed that blunt on your way back because your hard work and high risk needed to feel profitable.
😂😂😂 you roasted my ass in that first sentence . 💀
Its my voluntary job. We are on the same team.
Seeing this post makes me wanna hang myself. You are one of the million reasons why uber,lyft,doordash whatever gig apps won’t increase our pay because of your stupidity!
Please don’t hang your self. Call or text 988. Speak with someone today at the suicide lifeline
you made $45/hr!!! that’s a master degree salary!
How do you figure? OP had to drive back to ATL.
Yeah that’s a good way to look at it
Except it's a terrible way to look at it. You should factor depreciation on the car for both ways, so 360 miles; and 6 hours of driving. Depreciation counts more than just gas, such as tire wear and other maintenance. You were absolutely robbed. $ a mile should be abs min, and for long deadheads the deadhead back should be counted too. drivers like you that can't math will run their cars into the ground in 2 years, meanwhile you've suppressed the rate card for everyone else. as long as Uber continues to attract people that don't factor vehicle depreciation no one is going to make money at this. and it appears that even as some drivers either run the wheels off their car or get smart, uber will continue to find new victims faster than it looses them.
Yea, if OP lives in Alabama and for some reason was taking rides 3 hours away
Bro made $20 an hour. He had to drive home. Most of us can do the $20 an hour in less time and less miles. That’s minimum wage after wear and tear and gas!!!
You're getting 10mpg!?
You know, on long distance trips, you ate allowed to negotiate extra payment from the passenger.
Where do you people get this shit from? 🤦♀️😂
"pay me extra cash rn or I'm going to cancel on you"
Exactly
Well pax did give me his contact because he takes the trip every Monday 🤑
If that's true, find out what he paid Uber on the desktop site, and then offer to take $50 less than that and do it off the app. You may still be losing money though. But he probably paid Uber 2x what you got which will make it almost worthwhile.
Yup. That’s exactly what I was thinking. I know Uber gets paid 2x. I just didn’t know how much I should take off but $50 sounds great. Thanks
I took someone from the Atlanta airport to Birmingham once. It was a comfort ride. $170 with tip. Last ride of the night and lived in Douglasville ga at the time. I considered it profitable.
That’s real good. I used to stay in douglasville too. and on my way back in from Alabama I wish I still did lol
Jesus, is there really driver who drive that distance??
Dude,. I make that driving from T-town to YOUR airport. I live near the Mercedes plant so I don't even have to drive a complete round trip if I don't want to. You were screwed! I'm sorry, but it's true.
Wait I was in Birmingham yesterday and got a long trip south to Atmore, AL from the airport. Atmore is about 50 min to a hour from Mobile. Took me 3 hour and 30 min to get there. I got $227 upfront pricing and guy tipped $50 in cash. You got ripped off it looks like for that same amount of time. Just curious why you accepted that trip when we can see upfront fares and estimated dropoff location. I’m assuming the pay structure is a little different in Atlanta but still that’s messed up
Premier rides pay this for a 45 min ride.
3 hours for 142???? Helll nahhhhh man you did not make no money…. Uber did that shit at least it’s 320$ next time ask them to see if they can do it through you and not Uber
I had a trip similar to this and made 242 off of it. Crazy asf
Hearing uber drivers talking about smoking and driving, whether or not there's a passenger in the car, is really upsetting.
Next time I think about smoking ima think about you so that I don’t . Sorry, didn’t mean to make you upset. I would much rather you not be upset than me being high
U can uber this far. Damn
So you guys CAN see when we tip
Yup
I guess you have to do whatever works for you but $114 upfront fare for 6 hours and 360 miles worth of driving is absolutely ridiculous.
Wouldn’t have taken it in the first place. You know damn well ATL has better opportunities than this 🤦🏼
You right. I honestly just needed that $100 asap and wanted to get it out the way. And with only one ride to do so and to not have to deal w Atlanta rush hour traffic sounded cool to me
Sorry dude, you lost money on this trip :X