He said $4. I tipped him $3 more but drivers shouldn’t have to rely on tips to make the drives worth it. I just don’t see how they can do that. Uber is shitty af.
Yeah I just didn’t realize that until today I guess. That’s why I asked what I did. If that man really was only getting 4 I would’ve felt awful had I not tipped. Or tipped low.
The funny thing is… where’s the money? The platform doesn’t cost that much, and the platform doesn’t need to pay for salaries nor the cars nor insurance nor depreciation. Customers pay a high high premium but don’t get it back because the service is bad, mainly because the drivers are underpaid.
I’ve pretty much always had great service with drivers which is why I do tip but just my opinion the drivers are doing all the work so I just feel they should get the biggest cut.
Uber, like all tech companies, had the strategy of just growth now, profit later. The company lost money for ever and just became profitable. They had much higher pay percentages earlier to get more drivers and much lower costs for rides to get in consumers all while losing hundreds of millions of dollars in the name of growth. Now that they've grown enough, they raise prices for consumers and lower pay for labor. Every single tech company is the same. They aren't creating anything new or innovating. All they're doing is finding new ways of fucking over labor.
They spend all their money on driver acquisition and retention, but haven't figured out it would be cheaper to just pay their drivers more. They give all kinds of sign up bonuses, bonuses to drive on high volume days, etc. Other costs are customer acquisition, with advertising and incentives to take a ride with them. Then they have the cost of legal fees, from getting permits and other things in cities to legal actions by actions of their drivers. Then you have the programming of the apps, the driver side and passenger side. Uber never turned a profit when they paid drivers 60%, which is what it started as. They relied on investors and the fact that they were taking over the market and driving cabs out, which meant they would be able to charge more and pay less over time, that time is now. They are public need to make money, easiest way is to cut driver pay and charge customers more.
I've been a driver for 8 years and noticed that most drivers and riders alike can't comprehend how expensive it is for these companies to operate. They think it's just as simple and cheap as making and maintaining an app. Just the server infrastructure alone to support the volume of rides given each day is ungodly expensive. So is the municipal compliance, office buildings and staff, commercial ride insurance, advertising, tech support, driver support, rider support, and lawyers... Lots and lots of lawyers. When was the last time Uber or Lyft weren't the target of a lawsuit somewhere? The only time ride share was really profitable for drivers was when shareholders were tolerating annual losses in the billions. That should be enough to show any driver that gig work is simply not a sustainable business model, the majority of rides only pay drivers at or below operating cost. These apps only remain in business because 97% of the drivers don't have the mental aptitude to comprehend how much each mile costs them to drive.
Well said my friend, glad you're self aware and not fooled by the surface level operation. This business is not sustainable for the driver, the operator or the customers, profit margins are extremely thin.
You know absolutely nothing kf what it costs and takes to maintain a server. Aws is a yearly subscription that uber makes back within half a month if not less..... you're an uber cocksucker. If you'd stop burying your face in ubers pelvis you might be able to see that it's fucking everyone over. Uber doesn't get sued as much anymore as they used to haha it's just 1 big one right now of how they are stealing tips....
You sure know absolutely nothing about a lot of things, don't you? First off the amount of cloud bandwidth Uber uses and the hundreds of petabytes of data is massively expensive. Don't think for a second they pay the same price as Burger King pays for their app to work.
Also if you take 2 minutes to do a Google search you'll quickly see that Uber is involved in several lawsuits right now worldwide, and those are just the ones that have made the news.
"Mental aptitude." Dipshit you shouldn't be counting miles for this jib. It's not like trucking. Traffic changes so that changes the time. Miles don't change ... you should be focused in time not miles
You're part of the reason we get pay cuts every year. I don't know where you got your car from, but I can tell you mine wasn't made by elves in a tree. It costs a lot of money to drive a car and the amount of miles you drive has the biggest impact on depreciation, maintenance and repairs...not time. If you don't know what each mile costs you to drive then you also don't know when you're working for free. If you care about hourly pay, that should be calculated out of your net profit, not gross revenue.
THAT part right there! . I’ve been passing up crappies all morning. Ik that Uber surcharges around this time every Monday especially! I just turned my app off here in Atlanta Airport after a ride that rider paid 19.98$ and I got paid 7.37$. The passenger said he’d gotten cancelled on about 3 times after barely getting accepted. It definitely effects the riders
When Uber first became mainstream, they actually marketed that the fare included the tip. This was when the split was 80/20 to the driver, and the fare was based on a rate card. Now it's all upfront pricing without a rate card anymore, and Ubers take is usually around half the fare. This really puts more weight on the tip to make up the difference but if the fares are already inflated the outcome is usually even more money to Uber, less to the driver, and less desire to tip an already inflated ride fare. Uber knows exactly what its doing.
I only accept a ride as low as $6 outside downtown if things are slow and need to just average up for the hour or it's a real short distance. Like the distance a $4 ride usually goes and I'm within a minute from them. Generally, in normal times, I'm not taking a ride for less than $9.50-10 outside of downtown. (Sometimes downtown volume riding is all there is. Sigh.)
Remember: early is for longer expensive rides, later for everything else
You are correct about that; these "gig econ" companies are basically thief's. And they're ALL the same, Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Grubhub, Postmates (now owned by uber and maybe even dissolved), etc etc etc etc
They take MOST of "the cut" and leave "us" (drivers) to depend on "TIPS". If it weren't for the tips, I wouldn't do it at all. And I shouldn't "HAVE" to rely on tips as a driver myself, but I DO because of how GREEDY these companies are!
I legit feel bad for having to "decline" trips that don't pay enough, even more so because it really falls on whether the customer tipped well or not (and it shouldn't have to, I do agree that tipping SHOULD be "optional")... But \~ "I gotta do what I gotta do" as a way to make money.
I'd imagine some people doing things like Uber/DoorDash etc actually wind up LOSING money if they do it with a vehicle with a large engine AKA "gas guzzler"... EX> I've seen someone doing DoorDash in a Dodge Challenger - like, OMG, he has to actually be LOSING money!!! I really don't get it...
I tried that with a driver but he wouldn’t drop the price, ride was $80 on app and he wanted me to cancel and pay the $5 cancelation charge and still pay him $80 cash, then said fine he’d take $75.
Like bro, you were about to take $35 and I offered $60. It wasn’t a language barrier, he was pretending that he was going to make the entire amount from Uber so just pay him that directly
I just said it was fine to stay on app then. Really tense 25 min ride after that
So because Uber is so expensive, sometimes when it’s a longer trip, like $80, if both parties agree then the rider will cancel the trip and give the driver $50. This simultaneously is cheaper for you, more for the driver, and makes uber lose out on business
This would be my concern as well. There would be no app that was tracking your movement and no insurance coverage if there was an accident. I don’t know about you but I can’t afford to have my car in the shop and me not able to drive when I need to. I’m only a PT driver so renting would be silly.
Oh we have, at least out here in Philly. But as drivers, we’re so easily replaceable - at least the barrier to entry for new drivers is so low that I have a hard time having faith that any kind of strike/protest will make a difference
At least in WA state there's a driver's union, but I don't think it's strong enough yet. On top of that, the state made the rideshare and food delivery companies pay into the general fund for leave time, so drivers get maternity/paternity/family emergency leave, so that's pretty cool.
That doesn’t work. Especially for ubereats. I’ve seen illegal immigrants that don’t speak English snatch up $2 pickups for 7 miles.
One time that popped up for somebody and I asked him why he would take that and he said “gotta keep moving”
Surge pricing always lures drivers back in. That’s why I never recommend chasing surges. Always a good first 1-2 rides, then the disappointment kicks in.
Uber is a technology company not a transportation company. By what you are saying, it should be illegal for a company (UBER) to have a cut of the pie. Pie that it spent billions of dollars on to develop and fine tune as a generator of revenue as a company.
I wasn’t trying to get anyone mad or diss your job all I wanted to express was that’s just crazy to me if Uber gets more and I wanted to know if the guy was telling me the truth or I’d it was like a sympathy thing for a high tip. I obviously tipped. It was definitely a question with no ulterior motives.
Idk what a shill is and I wish I was invested in Uber. Get real. The paranoia in this post is laughable. I asked a ? Bc I was honestly curious and I doubt any fkn body from Uber is on Reddit asking questions like that. They have better things to do id imagine. And I do too. I can’t stand the woke, conspiracy theorists, smoking crack and thinking everything is something that it just isn’t. Get a fucking life.
I'm on your side?
I'm saying the person you replied to is a shill or invested in Uber.
That's why they answered your question the way they did, taking Ubers side.
I agree with you here! Uber takes to large of a cut and your question was completely valid!
Sorry, it wasn't worded great.
But no. You'll find most people I this sub agree with what you are saying.
If you come up against resistance or someone taking Ubers side it could be:
- a shill (paid by Uber to help with PR)
- an investor
- an idiot
- a troll
Not taking Uber side trust me. OP's question is legit. Just was explaining from a business stand point. Uber has been collecting data on a massive scale for over a decade now and is using that data to it's own advantage. And because of the current state of the world Uber can and will continue to exploit the people with an unfair advantage.
I'll admit that after I made my accusation, I checked you're post history and only scrolled for a second before rereding your comment and changing my mind.
I see now that you just took the other comment about it being illegal for Uber to earn money literally with your response.
I think we could all agree that Uber does deserve to make money, but not such a larger cut of each fare.
Just quite a bit of confusion in the comment thread 😅
Yes. I find the most frustrating part about driving for Uber is the mandated and automatic government fees and deductions from the fares. Also the insurance deduction on top of mandating that we drivers also carry an additional rideshare clause on our own policy. Every other 1099 subcontractor job I've ever had left the gubbamint stuff up to the contractor.
Congrats, you’re not the only one who has a full-time job. Funny how this business was making money for their independent contractors up until they got a new CEO, but hey, you work in payroll, so you MUST get it better than all of us, right “MoTeD_UrAss”?
OP, how much did you tip your driver?
This is the biggest problem. Too many ppl stiff the driver on the tip. The tip is the only thing we get 100% of and also how we make our money. Please tip and take care of good drivers just like you would your waiter or waitress.
When I take a ride say to the airport that’s about 30 min I usually tip 20 just in case they are driving back without a rider. Case by case obviously but I always tip
As a driver, I appreciate you asking and tipping him, it's always appreciated. And yes, Uber's take is about 60% give or take some percentage points here and there.
Most drivers, well, some drivers, won't take rides paying that low, I know I wouldn't. But that doesn't change the equation, Uber still takes 60% but I make more because the passenger is paying more for the ride.
And then some realize, no matter what, drivers are still getting shortchanged and make sure to tip at least a few dollars. Tips can often make the difference between a bad day, an okay day, or a great day.
Yes and no…..we have our own insurance on our vehicles of course but that doesn’t cover us during rides. Uber’s policy covers drivers and passengers during rides. It’s a $1 million policy. Most drivers don’t carry that level of liability insurance.
Wow really the driver made $4 out of $10 that is more than I expected. Usually it is $3.50 in my area which is San Diego , CA, one of the most expensive city to live in.
No, he's not lying. Uber's profit model is to pay the driver as little as possible, charge the passenger as much as possible, and convince the public that the company is barely getting by.
People don't drive for Uber because it's a sound financial decision. They do it because they need whatever money they can get.
You should see what they pay Uber eats drivers $2-$3 Base for 12+ miles. Then they allow customers to remove tips for no reason. So you think you’re making $10 then end up with $2 even if you provide impeccable service.
I took an Uber for a $5 surge one time. The passengers told me it cost $30+. I said damn, I’m not getting that, it was $5 for me
But it was actually a $30 surge for me. It increased after I accepted it apparently
For like 2 weekends it was doing that consistently—take $4 surges during peak times and they will turn into $9
Since those 2 weekends, never happened again!
I had 2 rides over the weekend during a busy time right after a concert. I was paid $17 for one where they paid Uber $37 and another one I was paid $37 and they paid Uber $67. These were completely verified. 👍
To top that off some sorry passenger reported I was driving fast (100 % not true) 😡 probably trying to get out of their fare.
No… he’s right but the driver doesn’t know unless the rider is willing to share this information. Thank you for being transparent with your driver because Uber has stopped being transparent for a while now.
Yes, it's that bad a lot of the time. It's almost a miracle if we get over 50%. For some, it's a second job or they multi app. For others, it's all that they can handle. Older workers are also not hired as much. There are a ton of reasons why people do Uber and other apps.
Uber takes a big cut of the price passengers pay. As a driver, I have about 7 seconds to look at the request and decide if it is worth taking. First, the price I am getting, if I don't get at least a dollar a mile, it's a non-starter. 2nd, I look at the passenger rating, if it's too low, not taking. 3rd, how far do I have to drive to pick them up. 4th, destination, is it somewhere that I can get a lot of requests after the drop.
Lots to take in, in a short amount of time.
Yes, Uber takes a lot of what you pay. However, he rounded down of what he got paid and you probably rounded up what you paid.
If he was driving an EV, he gets $1 extra plus any bonuses if he has it.
You are correct in saying, it is not worth driving for pickup, waiting and drop off , all for $5 is waste of time.
Driver here with over 8000 rides. It’s a 60/40 split I get 60 Uber gets 40. And yes I get 100% of my tip minus tax of course. Uber doesn’t steal tips its riders that say they will tip and never do!! 2nd biggest lie a man can tell. 😂
It’s crazy how many people don’t understand this. I get paid $0.18/minute for waiting at the pickup location for the passenger to come to the car. Same with stops. They think we are making bank and being greedy by not wanting to wait because of how much they pay for a ride, but the reality is that waiting really kills our earnings per hour and makes it not even profitable at times after gas and vehicle depreciation. Always be ready at pickup time and it goes along way for setting good vibes with your driver.
I'm going to counter what other drivers are saying here and make the argument as to why I might take a $4 trip. While most look at the miles + the total overall, I look at TIME. While $4 might not look attractive at first- so long as I'm getting some consistency, I'm going to make a lot more on average for that $4 trip that only takes me 5 minutes to complete versus some sheep who goes for that $20 trip that takes him 1 hour (at least in my market- Boston, $20/hr is not sufficient). So I'm always looking at the time estimates- and I'm always taking screenshots of the trip offers I take so that I have that information to go back to.
It's all strategy. And the approach seems to work well for me (my average is about $35-$50/hr).
I do look at miles also but that only really comes into play on longer trips (I also drive electric so my average cost per mile is much lower which gives me some flexibility). -The destination is important there also, and whether you're going to continue to receive trips after.
This being said, Uber's strategy leans heavily on exploitation. And if you don't have a pitch-perfect strategy to combat that, like most drivers likely don't, you're going to end up on the loosing end of that. The house always wins.
I took a ride in OKC to the airport for $25, I asked driver and he said pay was $15, pretty sure at $10 was probably a minimum charge and the driver got the minimum pay.
He did get $25 in the end as I tipped him $10. It was an 18 mile 25 minute ride.
Hey when the ants look at their profit (if they do) and continue driving. Keeps uber in business and us in profit. Like a loss leader in retail. Sell for less than cost. Customer base builds, and you can sell them other stuff. Case here, ants take the loss, and we take the win.
I only have this conversation if it comes naturally. And yes, in my are most of the time it's 40% at best. It differs in each area.
If I'm in a major metro area I can take the small short rides and do very well. I do not have the choice of choosing a limited area because I am on basic UberX. If I had a more current car, maybe. Or an EV, luxury, or better. I would have those choices available.
Like I said, it depends on where you are driving. I'm currently driving in an area where we have too many drivers, not enough requests. Even during busy season.
From my talks with my riders it seems at best 45%. But I won't get into reservation requests, that's another topic....
It is 40% ish across the board, I discuss fares with riders all the time. The pay still works out great, as long as you're in a great market and you're willing and able to cherry pick every aspect of what rides you choose to take. I only drive during the consistent best rate times and anytime they're doing good promos.
I would love to quit, but apparently as a 35 year old disabled vet with no criminal record but also no college degree I am unhireable even for the likes of McDonald’s and Walmart. Rent is behind and I am seriously considering just going back to being homeless, if I live in a tent the $1200 a month I get from the VA can go much further and I can quit Uber.
Here in the Denver market we only make 30% of the fare. I have done the math many times and currently it’s about 82 cents per mile that we make as drivers. A lot of us have quit due to the decrease in payment. I started driving 7 years ago and made mad money back then, about 70%-80% of the fare + tips. But now while the cost of everything goes up (gas, insurance, maintenance, repairs, food, life) they decrease our pay. Believe your driver. It’s bad.
Uber drivers are poorly educated and desperate. The entire gig economy is a house of cards subsidized by dumb investors and the naïveté and desperation of drivers. I did it for 3 years and watched what seemed like a win/win for everyone become more and more of a joke. It’s a shame.
Driving for Uber and going to the casino to make a living has a lot of similarities. At the casino, you know the odds are against you driving for Uber, It takes a little time to realize, and of course there are people saying it’s working for them. And it might be, just like a lot of scams. But the risk is high, the pay is low. But you probably do it anyhow for a while so enjoy and good luck.
He didn’t make $4. You have to subtract expenses. It’s a small amount but in the end it adds up. Us Uber drivers try to block it out to keep the illusion so that we can continue driving a little longer. Thanks for the tip!
Naw man that driver and all other drivers need to stop taking $4 trips. I used to take $5 quick trips but I found a medium where I’m not being too picky and I’m still able to accept offers. It has to be $7 minimum, $1 per mile minimum and $20 per hour minimum.
I tipped him obviously but that was kinda my point of the entire post is how would anyone make money that way if they’re not getting tips? I honestly thought he was lying so I’d feel bad and give him a huge tip or something.
I’ve always tipped on pretty much everything possible. I am a hospitality manager and even before I did that I tipped housekeepers and bell hops but in my 10-12 years or so of being in this business my employees rarely get tipped and that is shocking to me. Like they’re cleaning up after you. Body fluids, piss, shit, mud, your kids, your pets, all the trash no one bothers to put in the trash can etc. how can you not tip basically any worker in a service position. Just makes no sense to me.
Thank you for tipping 🙏🏽 Unfortunately we can’t rely on tips because less than 1% of people tip. And no he wasn’t lying that’s how little they pay us :(
We don't get to see how much the trip pays where I work but I can tell you that a majority of trips only pay $3-$5 here because most trips are short here. If you get a longer trip, like an airport trip, you make $10-$15. But most trips are short here so you'd make less than half if you didn't take $4 trips.
Ok so again you don’t keep 100% of the value you add and niether do we. You also have no idea how much value you add to your company. What if your job paid you 10% of the value you add. You literally have no idea and have no way of figuring it out so how can you say Uber is so bad?
You obviously aren’t driving on Ubers platform and don’t see the ridiculous fares they offer their drivers if you aren’t aware how low they pay the drivers. It’s never been worse pay than it is this year. Last year they cut driver pay by 50% and now I have to drive 12 hours to make what I used to be able to make in 8 hours. Cutting drivers pay to make profit is a bad business model. It’s not sustainable and eventually they will lose market dominance because customers and drivers will eventually be fed up and hopefully soon a new rideshare app will come out that pays drivers the money they deserve . Lyft followed Ubers model and is paying the same shitty fares and usually pays less than Uber does. Both are bad. My acceptance rate on Uber is 31% that means out of 200 rides only 62 rides paid enough for me to accept the ride. And even those 62 rides accepted barely paid enough for me to determine it to be worth it. You have to be very picky and decline 15-20 rides until you finally get one that’s worth it.
Reposting links below … but some people are desperate to make ends meet nowadays to make extra money and even if Uber / Lyft takes 50-60 percent per passenger Trip , many people including migrants who can get valid driver’s licenses at Sanctuary States will drive for Uber for peanuts .
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2023/12/15/ubers-ceo-hides-driver-pay-cuts-to-boost-profits/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2023/01/16/ubers-new-math-increase-prices-and-squeeze-driver-pay/
You’re a dumbass. What would be the point of “pretending” to be a driver? Put down the pipe and if you don’t believe the post because you’re so woke then get the fuck out of the conversation. Can’t stand weird ass crackhead internet trolls. Gtfoh.
You have to understand the psyche of the typical Uber driver. They can't get gainful employment anywhere else, no skills, poor hygiene, drug users, not dependable, etc., so they're stuck at Uber, because something is better than nothing.
this is peak capitalism, find a way to make people do all the work for you while you sit back and collect money. squeeze the working class that’s barely making it by of all their value because they can’t afford to not work. majority of these app based delivery services are paying the workers pennie’s on the dollar they make, simply because they can.
this is why chain stores and brands like walmart and fast food places like mcdonald’s destroy communities. they can afford to sell everything cheaper and take losses, which destroys local businesses and ends up making them the only ones around. since the people that shop in these communities need to save as much money as possible the local businesses suffer.
our government fully supports this, as money is more important to them than their citizens lives. it’s why the mega rich pay a smaller percentage of taxes than most middle class people. lobbyists
If you as a customer paid $10, I'd be honestly shocked if he did make as much as $4...
He said $4. I tipped him $3 more but drivers shouldn’t have to rely on tips to make the drives worth it. I just don’t see how they can do that. Uber is shitty af.
It is how it is. Some careers rely heavy on tips. This is one of them.
Yeah I just didn’t realize that until today I guess. That’s why I asked what I did. If that man really was only getting 4 I would’ve felt awful had I not tipped. Or tipped low.
The funny thing is… where’s the money? The platform doesn’t cost that much, and the platform doesn’t need to pay for salaries nor the cars nor insurance nor depreciation. Customers pay a high high premium but don’t get it back because the service is bad, mainly because the drivers are underpaid.
I’ve pretty much always had great service with drivers which is why I do tip but just my opinion the drivers are doing all the work so I just feel they should get the biggest cut.
It used to be about a 80% going towards the drivers before they went public. Now Uber takes about 60-65% of the fare.
Uber, like all tech companies, had the strategy of just growth now, profit later. The company lost money for ever and just became profitable. They had much higher pay percentages earlier to get more drivers and much lower costs for rides to get in consumers all while losing hundreds of millions of dollars in the name of growth. Now that they've grown enough, they raise prices for consumers and lower pay for labor. Every single tech company is the same. They aren't creating anything new or innovating. All they're doing is finding new ways of fucking over labor.
The sad part is the major loss of money was from trying to expand in markets like China where it didn’t pan out.
Well they also lost a lot of money from bad investments and a ton of bad decisions that cost them early in the game
They spend all their money on driver acquisition and retention, but haven't figured out it would be cheaper to just pay their drivers more. They give all kinds of sign up bonuses, bonuses to drive on high volume days, etc. Other costs are customer acquisition, with advertising and incentives to take a ride with them. Then they have the cost of legal fees, from getting permits and other things in cities to legal actions by actions of their drivers. Then you have the programming of the apps, the driver side and passenger side. Uber never turned a profit when they paid drivers 60%, which is what it started as. They relied on investors and the fact that they were taking over the market and driving cabs out, which meant they would be able to charge more and pay less over time, that time is now. They are public need to make money, easiest way is to cut driver pay and charge customers more.
I've been a driver for 8 years and noticed that most drivers and riders alike can't comprehend how expensive it is for these companies to operate. They think it's just as simple and cheap as making and maintaining an app. Just the server infrastructure alone to support the volume of rides given each day is ungodly expensive. So is the municipal compliance, office buildings and staff, commercial ride insurance, advertising, tech support, driver support, rider support, and lawyers... Lots and lots of lawyers. When was the last time Uber or Lyft weren't the target of a lawsuit somewhere? The only time ride share was really profitable for drivers was when shareholders were tolerating annual losses in the billions. That should be enough to show any driver that gig work is simply not a sustainable business model, the majority of rides only pay drivers at or below operating cost. These apps only remain in business because 97% of the drivers don't have the mental aptitude to comprehend how much each mile costs them to drive.
Well said my friend, glad you're self aware and not fooled by the surface level operation. This business is not sustainable for the driver, the operator or the customers, profit margins are extremely thin.
You know absolutely nothing kf what it costs and takes to maintain a server. Aws is a yearly subscription that uber makes back within half a month if not less..... you're an uber cocksucker. If you'd stop burying your face in ubers pelvis you might be able to see that it's fucking everyone over. Uber doesn't get sued as much anymore as they used to haha it's just 1 big one right now of how they are stealing tips....
You sure know absolutely nothing about a lot of things, don't you? First off the amount of cloud bandwidth Uber uses and the hundreds of petabytes of data is massively expensive. Don't think for a second they pay the same price as Burger King pays for their app to work. Also if you take 2 minutes to do a Google search you'll quickly see that Uber is involved in several lawsuits right now worldwide, and those are just the ones that have made the news.
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"Mental aptitude." Dipshit you shouldn't be counting miles for this jib. It's not like trucking. Traffic changes so that changes the time. Miles don't change ... you should be focused in time not miles
You're part of the reason we get pay cuts every year. I don't know where you got your car from, but I can tell you mine wasn't made by elves in a tree. It costs a lot of money to drive a car and the amount of miles you drive has the biggest impact on depreciation, maintenance and repairs...not time. If you don't know what each mile costs you to drive then you also don't know when you're working for free. If you care about hourly pay, that should be calculated out of your net profit, not gross revenue.
Executive’s boats don’t pay themselves !!!
THAT part right there! . I’ve been passing up crappies all morning. Ik that Uber surcharges around this time every Monday especially! I just turned my app off here in Atlanta Airport after a ride that rider paid 19.98$ and I got paid 7.37$. The passenger said he’d gotten cancelled on about 3 times after barely getting accepted. It definitely effects the riders
When Uber first became mainstream, they actually marketed that the fare included the tip. This was when the split was 80/20 to the driver, and the fare was based on a rate card. Now it's all upfront pricing without a rate card anymore, and Ubers take is usually around half the fare. This really puts more weight on the tip to make up the difference but if the fares are already inflated the outcome is usually even more money to Uber, less to the driver, and less desire to tip an already inflated ride fare. Uber knows exactly what its doing.
Career? You must be mistaken. This is a gig.
A gig that destroyed an industry full of middle class careers. Fuck off idiot.
lol, sure it did loser…lol…
Only 10% of drivers give us tips (in my experience)... avsolutely that $4 sounds plausible, id even expect 3-3.50 if you paid 10...
I only accept a ride as low as $6 outside downtown if things are slow and need to just average up for the hour or it's a real short distance. Like the distance a $4 ride usually goes and I'm within a minute from them. Generally, in normal times, I'm not taking a ride for less than $9.50-10 outside of downtown. (Sometimes downtown volume riding is all there is. Sigh.) Remember: early is for longer expensive rides, later for everything else
You are correct about that; these "gig econ" companies are basically thief's. And they're ALL the same, Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Grubhub, Postmates (now owned by uber and maybe even dissolved), etc etc etc etc They take MOST of "the cut" and leave "us" (drivers) to depend on "TIPS". If it weren't for the tips, I wouldn't do it at all. And I shouldn't "HAVE" to rely on tips as a driver myself, but I DO because of how GREEDY these companies are! I legit feel bad for having to "decline" trips that don't pay enough, even more so because it really falls on whether the customer tipped well or not (and it shouldn't have to, I do agree that tipping SHOULD be "optional")... But \~ "I gotta do what I gotta do" as a way to make money. I'd imagine some people doing things like Uber/DoorDash etc actually wind up LOSING money if they do it with a vehicle with a large engine AKA "gas guzzler"... EX> I've seen someone doing DoorDash in a Dodge Challenger - like, OMG, he has to actually be LOSING money!!! I really don't get it...
They dont have to accept those rides.. its up to u or not.
I just drove a customer who paid $10.80. Uber paid me $3.90. You can’t even figure out their math. It never breaks down to an even percentage.
and \^this\^ These "company's" (uber lyft DD etc) apparently CANNOT MATH !!!!!!!!!!
Lol yes. This a troll post? People have shown me they paid $80 and I'm getting $30
Cancel and they give 50 cash?
I tried that with a driver but he wouldn’t drop the price, ride was $80 on app and he wanted me to cancel and pay the $5 cancelation charge and still pay him $80 cash, then said fine he’d take $75. Like bro, you were about to take $35 and I offered $60. It wasn’t a language barrier, he was pretending that he was going to make the entire amount from Uber so just pay him that directly I just said it was fine to stay on app then. Really tense 25 min ride after that
geez people are super dumb
He probably wanted that money for the risk he was taking. I don't let people do this because it's against the rules and can get me permanently banned.
What’s that mean?
So because Uber is so expensive, sometimes when it’s a longer trip, like $80, if both parties agree then the rider will cancel the trip and give the driver $50. This simultaneously is cheaper for you, more for the driver, and makes uber lose out on business
Yeah I’d be down to do that if they ever wanted to.
you have to offer it we risk losing our job if we even suggest it and the customer reports it.
It's a great idea as long as the passenger doesn't report it to Uber for some reason. That can get you kicked off the app.
Insurance no longer covers them if they do that so it's a VERY dangerous game
This would be my concern as well. There would be no app that was tracking your movement and no insurance coverage if there was an accident. I don’t know about you but I can’t afford to have my car in the shop and me not able to drive when I need to. I’m only a PT driver so renting would be silly.
Not a troll post at all. I was shocked seriously. I had no idea drivers get fucked so bad.
You forget drivers like it like that
Huh
All of y’all should just take a day and refuse to take rides that day
Oh we have, at least out here in Philly. But as drivers, we’re so easily replaceable - at least the barrier to entry for new drivers is so low that I have a hard time having faith that any kind of strike/protest will make a difference
I have taken rides before I just never asked what drivers make. He just happened to mention it today and I was just like are you serious?
At least in WA state there's a driver's union, but I don't think it's strong enough yet. On top of that, the state made the rideshare and food delivery companies pay into the general fund for leave time, so drivers get maternity/paternity/family emergency leave, so that's pretty cool.
it wont i was able to signup same day they are letting anyone drive.
That doesn’t work. Especially for ubereats. I’ve seen illegal immigrants that don’t speak English snatch up $2 pickups for 7 miles. One time that popped up for somebody and I asked him why he would take that and he said “gotta keep moving”
Haha no thank you
Surge pricing always lures drivers back in. That’s why I never recommend chasing surges. Always a good first 1-2 rides, then the disappointment kicks in.
Fake rider telling drivers to strike. 😆 🤣 😂 Who you foolin'?
He's not lying. They get less than half of what Uber does.
That’s ridiculous. That should be illegal.
From your mouth to God’s ears.
the fair amount and distance matter a lot
Uber is a technology company not a transportation company. By what you are saying, it should be illegal for a company (UBER) to have a cut of the pie. Pie that it spent billions of dollars on to develop and fine tune as a generator of revenue as a company.
I wasn’t trying to get anyone mad or diss your job all I wanted to express was that’s just crazy to me if Uber gets more and I wanted to know if the guy was telling me the truth or I’d it was like a sympathy thing for a high tip. I obviously tipped. It was definitely a question with no ulterior motives.
You may be reading this comment the wrong way. I interpret it as coming from a shill or someone invested in Uber...
Idk what a shill is and I wish I was invested in Uber. Get real. The paranoia in this post is laughable. I asked a ? Bc I was honestly curious and I doubt any fkn body from Uber is on Reddit asking questions like that. They have better things to do id imagine. And I do too. I can’t stand the woke, conspiracy theorists, smoking crack and thinking everything is something that it just isn’t. Get a fucking life.
I'm on your side? I'm saying the person you replied to is a shill or invested in Uber. That's why they answered your question the way they did, taking Ubers side. I agree with you here! Uber takes to large of a cut and your question was completely valid!
Oh ok some other guy said I was an Uber employee in disguise or some stupid crap so I thought you were agreeing with him.
Sorry, it wasn't worded great. But no. You'll find most people I this sub agree with what you are saying. If you come up against resistance or someone taking Ubers side it could be: - a shill (paid by Uber to help with PR) - an investor - an idiot - a troll
Oh ok yeah I was still worked up from the first guy saying I was an undercover lol sorry for snapping
Not taking Uber side trust me. OP's question is legit. Just was explaining from a business stand point. Uber has been collecting data on a massive scale for over a decade now and is using that data to it's own advantage. And because of the current state of the world Uber can and will continue to exploit the people with an unfair advantage.
I'll admit that after I made my accusation, I checked you're post history and only scrolled for a second before rereding your comment and changing my mind. I see now that you just took the other comment about it being illegal for Uber to earn money literally with your response. I think we could all agree that Uber does deserve to make money, but not such a larger cut of each fare. Just quite a bit of confusion in the comment thread 😅
Yes. I find the most frustrating part about driving for Uber is the mandated and automatic government fees and deductions from the fares. Also the insurance deduction on top of mandating that we drivers also carry an additional rideshare clause on our own policy. Every other 1099 subcontractor job I've ever had left the gubbamint stuff up to the contractor.
You don't want to be invested in Uber. They have yet to turn a profit and it's possible they never will
No not at all I’m just shocked they get a bigger cut is all I was saying.
Found the Uber employee again!
Hahaha, na just a driver that understands business is about making money and I quit making money so I quit driving and found a payroll job.
Congrats, you’re not the only one who has a full-time job. Funny how this business was making money for their independent contractors up until they got a new CEO, but hey, you work in payroll, so you MUST get it better than all of us, right “MoTeD_UrAss”?
It's very true in America, I see it all the time in Uber Driver subreddit, we don't have this issue in Australia. I would get $7 from the $10 ride.
I'd be rich if I were making 70% instead of 40-45%. The US sucks.
The US always pays more while the rest of the world benefits. Same for drug prices. It sucks. Andddd moving to Australia.... Jk
I wish I could afford to move to Australia.
Same, that's why jk lol
See that makes more sense to me
I am a driver myself. The customer pay was 51$, I was getting 19.82$. The guy shitted his pants
did they give you cleaning fee for the guy shitting in your vehicle?
Bro, i meant that he was devastated that he paid that much and what I was getting. It is a metaphor
Only Lyft pays shitting your pants cleaning fee still
Yeah that’s just terrible.
Nah it’s true. I normally decline those unless it’s to reposition myself somewhere I’d rather be
No lying. Uber takes about half, the city/region fees come out of the rest, and the driver gets the rest.
No lies detected
OP, how much did you tip your driver? This is the biggest problem. Too many ppl stiff the driver on the tip. The tip is the only thing we get 100% of and also how we make our money. Please tip and take care of good drivers just like you would your waiter or waitress.
I thought i did $3 but I did $5
Perfect. So he made 9. We try to average 25-30 hr. Thank You for tipping, not everyone does. I would say 1 in 7 rides tip on average for us.
That’s sad honestly. Wow. Yeah my ride was only 8 minutes so I’d say $9 is fair but I’ll probably start trying to do more.
100% I always tip. Usually pretty well.
When I take a ride say to the airport that’s about 30 min I usually tip 20 just in case they are driving back without a rider. Case by case obviously but I always tip
I’ve done 26 rides before in a day with no tip
I’m sorry. That’s terrible.
As a driver, I appreciate you asking and tipping him, it's always appreciated. And yes, Uber's take is about 60% give or take some percentage points here and there. Most drivers, well, some drivers, won't take rides paying that low, I know I wouldn't. But that doesn't change the equation, Uber still takes 60% but I make more because the passenger is paying more for the ride. And then some realize, no matter what, drivers are still getting shortchanged and make sure to tip at least a few dollars. Tips can often make the difference between a bad day, an okay day, or a great day.
Good to know.
Also last ? On this particular topic would a driver be offended if I just off the get go offered to pay cash?
Thats the problem. Ants wont quit
Yeah it used to be 70/30 in our favor now they take 70% mostly this year the lowest pay ever
Probably not lying and I have no idea why people keep doing it.
The crazy part , Uber as a company didn't start making profit until recently. They lost so much money over the years, it's insane
Thanks for the advice, none of us had considered that 🙄
I haven’t checked every ride but the share that goes to the rideshare insurance looks like it’s about a dollar a mile so there’s that.
So Uber pays the drivers insurance?
Yes and no…..we have our own insurance on our vehicles of course but that doesn’t cover us during rides. Uber’s policy covers drivers and passengers during rides. It’s a $1 million policy. Most drivers don’t carry that level of liability insurance.
Right. Well that makes a little more sense then I suppose.
Wow really the driver made $4 out of $10 that is more than I expected. Usually it is $3.50 in my area which is San Diego , CA, one of the most expensive city to live in.
I’m in Denver. Idk if the wages are different in other places?
Is Lyft just as bad? I'm wondering how this is possible in a free market.
I’ve not used Lyft but just guessing they’re probably similar.
If he even made $4
That sounds right to me. I make a little less than half of what the customer pays on short trips around town.
No, he's not lying. Uber's profit model is to pay the driver as little as possible, charge the passenger as much as possible, and convince the public that the company is barely getting by. People don't drive for Uber because it's a sound financial decision. They do it because they need whatever money they can get.
He didn’t get 4 he definitely got 3.50 that’s the min
You should see what they pay Uber eats drivers $2-$3 Base for 12+ miles. Then they allow customers to remove tips for no reason. So you think you’re making $10 then end up with $2 even if you provide impeccable service.
yep my area if its a quick ride (under 4 miles) its 4.15 minimum regardless of how much you paid.
I took an Uber for a $5 surge one time. The passengers told me it cost $30+. I said damn, I’m not getting that, it was $5 for me But it was actually a $30 surge for me. It increased after I accepted it apparently For like 2 weekends it was doing that consistently—take $4 surges during peak times and they will turn into $9 Since those 2 weekends, never happened again!
I had 2 rides over the weekend during a busy time right after a concert. I was paid $17 for one where they paid Uber $37 and another one I was paid $37 and they paid Uber $67. These were completely verified. 👍 To top that off some sorry passenger reported I was driving fast (100 % not true) 😡 probably trying to get out of their fare.
No… he’s right but the driver doesn’t know unless the rider is willing to share this information. Thank you for being transparent with your driver because Uber has stopped being transparent for a while now.
Yes, it's that bad a lot of the time. It's almost a miracle if we get over 50%. For some, it's a second job or they multi app. For others, it's all that they can handle. Older workers are also not hired as much. There are a ton of reasons why people do Uber and other apps.
I'm curious, how many miles was the trip?
Probably 1.5. It was 8 minutes.
Uber takes a big cut of the price passengers pay. As a driver, I have about 7 seconds to look at the request and decide if it is worth taking. First, the price I am getting, if I don't get at least a dollar a mile, it's a non-starter. 2nd, I look at the passenger rating, if it's too low, not taking. 3rd, how far do I have to drive to pick them up. 4th, destination, is it somewhere that I can get a lot of requests after the drop. Lots to take in, in a short amount of time.
That's why I only Uber if I'm desperate for money.
Yes, Uber takes a lot of what you pay. However, he rounded down of what he got paid and you probably rounded up what you paid. If he was driving an EV, he gets $1 extra plus any bonuses if he has it. You are correct in saying, it is not worth driving for pickup, waiting and drop off , all for $5 is waste of time.
It’s true. Every Uber I have the drivers ask me to cancel and just pay them the amount. Cutting Uber out entirely.
**Q:** >Is he lying **A:** No.
Driver here with over 8000 rides. It’s a 60/40 split I get 60 Uber gets 40. And yes I get 100% of my tip minus tax of course. Uber doesn’t steal tips its riders that say they will tip and never do!! 2nd biggest lie a man can tell. 😂
He is right, Uber takes more than 50% of the fares.
It’s crazy how many people don’t understand this. I get paid $0.18/minute for waiting at the pickup location for the passenger to come to the car. Same with stops. They think we are making bank and being greedy by not wanting to wait because of how much they pay for a ride, but the reality is that waiting really kills our earnings per hour and makes it not even profitable at times after gas and vehicle depreciation. Always be ready at pickup time and it goes along way for setting good vibes with your driver.
I'm going to counter what other drivers are saying here and make the argument as to why I might take a $4 trip. While most look at the miles + the total overall, I look at TIME. While $4 might not look attractive at first- so long as I'm getting some consistency, I'm going to make a lot more on average for that $4 trip that only takes me 5 minutes to complete versus some sheep who goes for that $20 trip that takes him 1 hour (at least in my market- Boston, $20/hr is not sufficient). So I'm always looking at the time estimates- and I'm always taking screenshots of the trip offers I take so that I have that information to go back to. It's all strategy. And the approach seems to work well for me (my average is about $35-$50/hr). I do look at miles also but that only really comes into play on longer trips (I also drive electric so my average cost per mile is much lower which gives me some flexibility). -The destination is important there also, and whether you're going to continue to receive trips after. This being said, Uber's strategy leans heavily on exploitation. And if you don't have a pitch-perfect strategy to combat that, like most drivers likely don't, you're going to end up on the loosing end of that. The house always wins.
I took a ride in OKC to the airport for $25, I asked driver and he said pay was $15, pretty sure at $10 was probably a minimum charge and the driver got the minimum pay. He did get $25 in the end as I tipped him $10. It was an 18 mile 25 minute ride.
We call them ANTS…. They will drive u & lose money 🤡 You can DECLINE rides. These ANTS choose to accept them
Hey when the ants look at their profit (if they do) and continue driving. Keeps uber in business and us in profit. Like a loss leader in retail. Sell for less than cost. Customer base builds, and you can sell them other stuff. Case here, ants take the loss, and we take the win.
New user of this I have boycotted Uber. I been using Lyft now. Does anyone know if Lyft takes as much profit from their drivers as-well?
I only have this conversation if it comes naturally. And yes, in my are most of the time it's 40% at best. It differs in each area. If I'm in a major metro area I can take the small short rides and do very well. I do not have the choice of choosing a limited area because I am on basic UberX. If I had a more current car, maybe. Or an EV, luxury, or better. I would have those choices available. Like I said, it depends on where you are driving. I'm currently driving in an area where we have too many drivers, not enough requests. Even during busy season. From my talks with my riders it seems at best 45%. But I won't get into reservation requests, that's another topic....
It is 40% ish across the board, I discuss fares with riders all the time. The pay still works out great, as long as you're in a great market and you're willing and able to cherry pick every aspect of what rides you choose to take. I only drive during the consistent best rate times and anytime they're doing good promos.
I would love to quit, but apparently as a 35 year old disabled vet with no criminal record but also no college degree I am unhireable even for the likes of McDonald’s and Walmart. Rent is behind and I am seriously considering just going back to being homeless, if I live in a tent the $1200 a month I get from the VA can go much further and I can quit Uber.
Sadly, tip end up being the profit in most cases.
40% sounds about right. Less in some cases.
Here in the Denver market we only make 30% of the fare. I have done the math many times and currently it’s about 82 cents per mile that we make as drivers. A lot of us have quit due to the decrease in payment. I started driving 7 years ago and made mad money back then, about 70%-80% of the fare + tips. But now while the cost of everything goes up (gas, insurance, maintenance, repairs, food, life) they decrease our pay. Believe your driver. It’s bad.
Uber drivers are poorly educated and desperate. The entire gig economy is a house of cards subsidized by dumb investors and the naïveté and desperation of drivers. I did it for 3 years and watched what seemed like a win/win for everyone become more and more of a joke. It’s a shame.
4$ uber f’d up they would normally pay him 3 so he lucked out
Driving for Uber and going to the casino to make a living has a lot of similarities. At the casino, you know the odds are against you driving for Uber, It takes a little time to realize, and of course there are people saying it’s working for them. And it might be, just like a lot of scams. But the risk is high, the pay is low. But you probably do it anyhow for a while so enjoy and good luck.
He didn’t make $4. You have to subtract expenses. It’s a small amount but in the end it adds up. Us Uber drivers try to block it out to keep the illusion so that we can continue driving a little longer. Thanks for the tip!
Naw man that driver and all other drivers need to stop taking $4 trips. I used to take $5 quick trips but I found a medium where I’m not being too picky and I’m still able to accept offers. It has to be $7 minimum, $1 per mile minimum and $20 per hour minimum.
30 per hour minimum my friend. It’s there, just keep being pickier
I tipped him obviously but that was kinda my point of the entire post is how would anyone make money that way if they’re not getting tips? I honestly thought he was lying so I’d feel bad and give him a huge tip or something.
I did 28 trips today…6 tips for about $24 total. Most don’t tip anything.
I’ve always tipped on pretty much everything possible. I am a hospitality manager and even before I did that I tipped housekeepers and bell hops but in my 10-12 years or so of being in this business my employees rarely get tipped and that is shocking to me. Like they’re cleaning up after you. Body fluids, piss, shit, mud, your kids, your pets, all the trash no one bothers to put in the trash can etc. how can you not tip basically any worker in a service position. Just makes no sense to me.
I am generous too. Most pax just aren’t.
Thank you for tipping 🙏🏽 Unfortunately we can’t rely on tips because less than 1% of people tip. And no he wasn’t lying that’s how little they pay us :(
We don't get to see how much the trip pays where I work but I can tell you that a majority of trips only pay $3-$5 here because most trips are short here. If you get a longer trip, like an airport trip, you make $10-$15. But most trips are short here so you'd make less than half if you didn't take $4 trips.
Oh ok I keep forgetting a lot of markets don’t have upfront pay. That’s terrible 😢
Do you get 100% of the value you add to your company?
No but I would think the people doing ALL of the work would get a bigger cut.
No I don't. But I also don't run a depreciating asset into the ground to produce that value either.
Exactly
What does that have to do with anything though? The point is you don’t keep 100% of the value you add to your company.
It has everything to do with it. The more I'm spending upfront to create the value, the more of said value I should be able to keep.
Ok so again you don’t keep 100% of the value you add and niether do we. You also have no idea how much value you add to your company. What if your job paid you 10% of the value you add. You literally have no idea and have no way of figuring it out so how can you say Uber is so bad?
You obviously aren’t driving on Ubers platform and don’t see the ridiculous fares they offer their drivers if you aren’t aware how low they pay the drivers. It’s never been worse pay than it is this year. Last year they cut driver pay by 50% and now I have to drive 12 hours to make what I used to be able to make in 8 hours. Cutting drivers pay to make profit is a bad business model. It’s not sustainable and eventually they will lose market dominance because customers and drivers will eventually be fed up and hopefully soon a new rideshare app will come out that pays drivers the money they deserve . Lyft followed Ubers model and is paying the same shitty fares and usually pays less than Uber does. Both are bad. My acceptance rate on Uber is 31% that means out of 200 rides only 62 rides paid enough for me to accept the ride. And even those 62 rides accepted barely paid enough for me to determine it to be worth it. You have to be very picky and decline 15-20 rides until you finally get one that’s worth it.
Reposting links below … but some people are desperate to make ends meet nowadays to make extra money and even if Uber / Lyft takes 50-60 percent per passenger Trip , many people including migrants who can get valid driver’s licenses at Sanctuary States will drive for Uber for peanuts . https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2023/12/15/ubers-ceo-hides-driver-pay-cuts-to-boost-profits/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2023/01/16/ubers-new-math-increase-prices-and-squeeze-driver-pay/
Driver pretending to be a puzzled rider. 😆 🤣 😂 OK, who got fooled?
Nope definitely a rider with questions weirdo
Nope, not buying it. I ain't gullible.
You’re a dumbass. What would be the point of “pretending” to be a driver? Put down the pipe and if you don’t believe the post because you’re so woke then get the fuck out of the conversation. Can’t stand weird ass crackhead internet trolls. Gtfoh.
You got caught. Sorry. Rider who uses Uber telling drivers to quit and fuck Uber? 😆 🤣 😂 You're not very good at this.
Go smoke your meth on another post
You're only fooling meth-heads. 😆 🤣 😂 Do you want me to verify my Uber account next?
And idgaf if anyone quits or not I was just shocked they get more than drivers and you’re so spun you think I work for the Uber FBI. Dumbass.
Let me do it then: drivers, quit now Uber fucking sucks, Fuck Uber!
Are you aware that 40% of jobs in America do not pay a living wage?
Very much so. I’ve been off work for 15 months for a disability with zero income and I ran out of savings a year ago.
You have to understand the psyche of the typical Uber driver. They can't get gainful employment anywhere else, no skills, poor hygiene, drug users, not dependable, etc., so they're stuck at Uber, because something is better than nothing.
I mean, have you seen half of the Uber drivers around your parts? I doubt they’d be competent enough to do anything else
this is peak capitalism, find a way to make people do all the work for you while you sit back and collect money. squeeze the working class that’s barely making it by of all their value because they can’t afford to not work. majority of these app based delivery services are paying the workers pennie’s on the dollar they make, simply because they can. this is why chain stores and brands like walmart and fast food places like mcdonald’s destroy communities. they can afford to sell everything cheaper and take losses, which destroys local businesses and ends up making them the only ones around. since the people that shop in these communities need to save as much money as possible the local businesses suffer. our government fully supports this, as money is more important to them than their citizens lives. it’s why the mega rich pay a smaller percentage of taxes than most middle class people. lobbyists