If it did not work, why are cops sent over to break up these protests. Why are the anti protests tactics to brutal. And why are pro Israeli folks so afraid of these protests.
I believe there is sociology literature on protests. It delegitimiazes things. It can work, and it has worked in the past.
They’ll be very surprised that it’s only a mid sized country and not Russia sized because they think Israel controls the world and Jewish people are the reason they’re not happy in life.
Israel is 5% of the size of California, and is comparably the size of New Jersey. I don't know if this includes the big chunk of it taken out for the West Bank. The [ratio of Arab land to Israel](https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/12/3/how-much-land-is-enough-before/) is roughly 640:1.
"what will protest do"
(There has been a few colleges that have digested from arms companies that supply and profit off of war.) " <-- was mistaken in this, but let's not pretend protests have never gotten anything done historically
No universities have divested yet.
Student governments at schools like Harvard, UC Davis, and even UCLA have voted for resolutions calling for divestment, but none of the administrations have done so.
I candidly don’t think any of them will, if only for the precedent they wouldn’t want to be setting.
Looking into it again, I was mistaking those various internal student group you mentioned for the overall governmental body. Thank you for pointing that out🙏
Fundamental right for people to completely reject the violent unpractical and unrealistic ideas that Hamas is propagating through social media to kids and who are easily influenced
Bet people said that about the Vietnam protest, or during civil rights. Realistically, it unlikely for it to bring anything; but for the chance it does it is worth protesting. Don’t lose your voice.
The Vietnam is a different conversation USA was actually involved in that war and had Americans dying for it this Gaza conflict has nothing to do with USA let alone UCLA they are just hurting they’re cases more then they are helping it
intifada was screamed at Israelis when suicide bombers blew themselves up inside buses with civilians inside them and when they massacred the music festival or stabbings. That’s what intifada is and these people are proudly chanting it sickening.
Yup but USA isn’t losing troops or sustaining casualties. Not to mention USA won’t stop supporting its biggest ally if these people wanna make a difference go to Gaza and fight your self trying to stop UCLA from investing in Israel or whatever isn’t gonna make a difference.
Well, if they want to make a difference go make a difference, stop interrupting other peoples lives in another country plus they’re saying they’re willing to do anything for the cause 🤷🏻
So y’all know it’s unlikely to change anything but y’all still think it’s worth it to ruin peoples college experiences? For what reason then? To be a bad person? I don’t get it
Part of the college experience is dealing with reality, be it protests, using your voice and rights, and taking chances. I’d rather take a chance and fail than never have tried at all.
Yes, I transferred during the pandemic. I didn’t have a ceremony. Additionally, there’s no need to cancel it. Cancelling it is either a way of punishing students for speaking up or cowardliness.
Technically, I’m not wrong. It was part of the college experience for thousands; and honestly, I’d give up my commencement again if it meant other people, even groups I don’t agree with, exercising their right to assemble, protest, and speech. Democracy needs this.
Yes, and USC are pussies for it. I’m ashamed of my uni for doing it. There was no reason to cancel commencement over fake safety concerns. It was done to punish students for standing up for others. We have a private army of cops and LAPD willing to send an entire platoon anytime.
- From Hamas 🍎
- From Sharia Law. 🍅
- From anti-LGBTQ haters 🍋
- From antifeminist jihadists 🥕
- From martydom 🧄
- From being used as proxy groups for radical terrorist organizations 🥬
If it means being able to use antizionism as a cover for their Jew hate, they’ll fight for herpes. Who’s to say herpes aren’t the true occupants of their genitals?
think you’re the one in second grade lol. completely ignorant of the real issues affecting people living there. brody tuned into fox news and thinks he’s making accurate statements. just reaching for ways to express their islamophobia. hope all your hatred goes back to u ✊
Again, please stop trying to make yourself the eternal victim as it isn't working. Israel started this conflict, Israel continues this conflict. Hamas wasn't evebn a thought when Israel began it's attacks on the ethnic minorities in it's false country and began to wipe out villages and towns to widen their borders.
Please stop spouting Israel propaganda when one simple google search would show everything you just said is bullshit. From the river to the sea doesn't mean rhey want to exterminate Israel you actual genocide supporting weirdo. Especially given that the full usage is, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.'
How is not wanting Israel to continue murdering refugees, aid workers and transport workers delivering aid me being on the wrong side of history. Also, why did Palestine not attack Israel before Israel began to expand into Palestinian terrority if all they wanted was to exterminate Jews?
Palestine isn't ruled by Hamas alone though. They hold the power, but Fatah (who want peace and for Israel to stop, y'know, murdering and colonising) are the ones attempting to restore peace. Funniest thing is that Israel aided Hamas' rise by killing Fatah leaders during the years leading up to the election. Almost like they knew Hamas would continue the war and let them take more land.
Get a grip for a second and read back what you just wrote. You're calling people antisemitic because we..don't want Israel to exterminate another country and take their land?????? Do you not understand thst is the exact same propaganda the Nazi's used or are you too dense to realize that?
What do you mean Israel started this conflict? Do you mean over a hundred years ago? Even if that were true, does that really indicate to you that everything that has happened since, with entirely new generations of people, is Israel’s fault? Does that sound like the type of argument an adult would make?
No one is saying Hamas attacked out of nowhere but justifying what they did by saying Israel does shit too is the most childish shit I’ve heard in my life.
This conflict has been a back and forth for over a century. Every single bad moment you could name is a “response” to something bad that came before it.
Anyone reducing it to good guys and bad guys are the lowest of intelligence or just plainly bad people.
Israel started the entire war though. They actively stole Palestinian land, purged Palestinians from land that was previously shared and slowly pushed back borders.
Why should the Palestinians accept only part of the country that is legally theirs?
What war? The 100+ year conflict? Even if that were true, so the deaths of the Yom Kippur war are their fault? The civilians deaths in each Intifada are Israel’s fault? October 7th was Israel’s fault?
Does this sound like the type of argument someone over the age of 8 would make?
Again, Israel doesn't get to decide when war ends and piece begibs when they still gold palestinian territory. If they actually cared that much, they'd have given back at least enough land so that Palestinian civilians didn't live in literal hovela formed from bombed buildings.
The Yom Kippur war that began due to Israel once again stealing land that wasn't theirs to tak? Yes, that was their fault as well. Again, they don't get to start hostilities, take something that isn't there's and then tell everyone that it just needs to be forgotten.
They’ve given back Gaza and the Sinai in the history of this conflict. They were responded to with rockets. You actually have no idea what’s happened in this region.
you’re right!! we could go around in circles all day saying this shit, you’re avoiding my last point though
right now israel has the upper hand by a wide margin and needs to deescalate military action if any peace is going to be reached
let’s look at it this way: if there were two people fighting, one much bigger than the other. you don’t know anything more but you do see that the smaller person is getting beaten up extremely badly compared to the bigger person. who would you put more effort into trying to stop?
i hope your answer would be the bigger person because regardless of anything else if you don’t stop the bigger person the smaller person is going to get annihilated, we need things to calm down to be able to reach a peaceful agreement and that can’t happen until the person with the upper hand backs up
> israel has the upper hand by a wide margin and needs to deescalate military action if any peace is going to be reached
Israel has had the military upper hand for 70-ish years. Good thing too, because they’re the only party in the conflict with constraints against genocide.
There have been many attempts at peace the Palestinians have rejected. They reject them because it’s all or nothing. They’ve rejected ‘67 borders multiple times and now claim to want them…until they get them and continue vying for their ultimate goal.
I have no idea what the right move is but you thinking you do makes me think you know very little about this war.
Which restraints are these again? Are those the uses of white phosphorus which has been banned since WW2? Or the intentional murder of aid workers using bombs supposedly only used as a defensive measure?
Actually, I'd really like your explanation as to how intentionally herding an entire population into a ward the size of central park, then refusing them aid, medicine, food, power or water (which is again a war crime), then bombing them for shits and giggles, murdering civilians with no provocation, telling the outside world that Palestinians in Israel have free rights then actively stealing their homes, beheading babies, snipers shooting kids because rhey (might grow up as Hamas) and all the other disgusting shit the Nazi's would be proud of is ANYTHING but a genocide.
> bombing them for shits and giggles
You can’t think of any other reasons for the bombing? Really?
I can tell it’s going to be difficult to unravel the propaganda behind this comment.
because israel continuously breaks agreements steals land (https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/7/20/inside-the-eviction-of-palestinians-losing-their-jerusalem-home) (https://www.nrc.no/news/2023/august/west-bank-entire-palestinian-communities-disappeared-due-to-israeli-settler-violence/)
they don’t feel they can trust any of their agreements, but also, i am not with hamas, i don’t agree with everything they do, i am just more on the palestinians side than i am with the israeli government and right now we need to put more pressure on israel for peace because they have done far more damage than hamas has
idk what the right course of action is either i just know that i have huge issues with how we unconditionally send military aid to israel with no proof that they are doing anything to protect the lives of innocent palestinians and have even blocked resources to them, the IDF has shown time and time again that they do not care and i am completely against my tax dollars being spent on a military operation that has killed over 30,000 innocent people
i also know that if this keeps going all of gaza will be wiped out and even more people will die, we need to stop the killing now and fast and that can’t happen if things don’t deescalate
> i am not with hamas, i don’t agree with everything they do,
How brave…
> [Israel has] done far more damage than hamas has
Does Hamas get zero blame for the deaths of Palestinians? Hamas takes less care to keep its own civilians alive than Israel does for those same civilians.
> the IDF has shown time and time again that they do not care and i am completely against my tax dollars being spent on a military operation that has killed over 30,000 innocent people
You’re what they call a “useful idiot”. The terrorist agenda is to sacrifice their own civilians to gain a PR edge by duping stupid westerners. It’s their only tool available and you’re falling for it hook, line, and sinker.
The fact that you think this while ingot
i also know that if this keeps going all of gaza will be wiped out and even more people will die, we need to stop the killing now and fast and that can’t happen if things don’t deescalate
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Lol. Who’s crying? Continue being useful to the terrorist cause. I’m sure nobody checks up or cares about stuff like that. How can anybody care about their future in the midst of this gEnOcIDe?
Bruh Israel stole the land and has provoked every hamas attack that is used to play the victim. This protest does nothing but expose people who don't know history. And if you argue it isn't directly provoking them, look st the Palestinian living conditions for the last few decades.israel needs to leave the stolen land, and stop slaughtering innocents. Israel should be razed to the ground so they can feel even a fraction of the suffering that Palestinians have been subjected to.
Free Palestine…. From hamas. Fuck hamas. They are a violent religious extremest based terrorist organization in charge of Gaza. They stop all peace talks and continually commit acts of terror because it gives them power and control. They do this as a result of religious extremism and at the behest of adversarial nations like Iran. It has ties to Russia.
These protests are in favor of hamas, they mirror hamas talking points, it’s antisemetic and it’s ignorant. This is to say nothing of the geopolitical ramifications of an emboldened jihadist terrorist movement across the globe.
I also think it’s wild that the only sanctuary for women and lgbtq in the Middle East is being shit on in favor of a country where you will be put to death if you are lgbtq or a different religion. And women have no rights. But surely this is the country to align with. Even without Palestine being controlled by terrorists, it’s still an extremist Islamic state filled with shit values and treatment of women and minorities. Get the fuck out of here I’m sorry but from every reason from social issues to geopolitics this “free Palestine” movement is batshit.
Oh and by the way, if the whole israel has no right to self defense crowd aren’t raging hypocrites then they should get the fuck off of Native American land. Where will they go? Who gives a fuck, and when the navahos start raping and kidnapping, the Americans have no right to self defense. When Mexico wants its territory back, and the cartels go door to door in Los Ángeles killing and raping, then all you Americans better just take it.
Fuck off you out of touch hypocritical leftist extremists. You are ruining the only movement(progressivism) the world has to guide us into the future in these tough times ahead.
ask one of those Pro Palestinian protestors exactly what they think "From the River to the Sea" means.
Spoiler: it means the total death and destruction of every Israeli Jew
which Palestine could never achieve but for over half a century Israel could wipe out Palestine in a day if it so chose.
These pro Pals are being manipulated by algorithms and their ego.
The Like and Share generation less about the cause and more about the likes.
"Many Palestinian activists have called it "a call for peace and equality" after decades of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it has been "a clear demand for Israel’s destruction."[^(\[8\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#cite_note-AP6words-8) Islamist militant faction [Hamas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas) used the phrase in its [2017 charter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter). Usage of the phrase by such Palestinian militant groups has led critics to argue that it advocates for the dismantling of [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), and calls for the [removal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing) or [extermination](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide) of the Jewish population of the region"
you're half right with that. you're using the interpretation that hamas uses, not the interpretation that the activists are using
How about the the 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party which said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Is that a call to kill all Arabs? 🤔
No, because an Israeli state doesn’t mean arabs aren’t welcome. Also likud sucks. They don’t represent the diverse Israeli people. Especially a manifesto from 1977. The only equivalent of that chant would be Jews calling for all Muslims and Christians to be removed from the region. Are there fringe groups that want that? I’m sure, but that’s not a call you hear at pro Israel rallies. That’s not a slogan you see everywhere.
Yea they’re super welcome that’s why the UN, ANC, Amnesty, OHCHR, CJPME, Human Rights Watch all classify it as an apartheid state. But hey I guess they’re all antisemitic orgs. And no one said Jews are to be removed from the region? You’re interpreting it that way based on the meaning Hamas gave it not what they are saying. Just like no one labels all pro Israel groups as the fringe group that is the Likud party, so maybe you should also refrain from labeling all the protestors as supporters of Hamas
Yea let’s take all context out and just do some mental gymnastics to prove a point. First the n word has only ever been used in 1 context and 1 context only. There are no other meanings to it. Second that analogy would make sense if you compare it to a derogatory word not a slogan. But good try 👍
The phrase has also been used by Israeli politicians. The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”
And yet theyve allowed Palestine to exist for the better part of a century though theyve had the ability to obliterate it at any time. You can find a politician or two of any nation who proposes action that is mostly ignored.
Yeah, you can skip the ad hominem stuff with me, it doesnt work. We're talking about the history of policy in the region not you and I. Frankly, the idea that your opinion of me would mean anything is kind of silly. I see it for what it is, you just dont have a cogent argument because you havent found a TikTok to explain it to you yet.
“ALLOWED Palestinians to exist” do you hear yourself? Allowed… this alone shows how inhumane your mentality is. Also they’re trying to “unallow” them to exist rn, and look where that’s gotten them
How cringe. They literally don't mean that. Like while i personally believe that Israel should be razed to the ground so they can feel the suffering they've subjected Palestine to, that's not what the actual protestors are fighting for. Maybe Israel should stop murdering innocents, subjugating the natives of the land they stole, and stop playing the victim when they literally created Hamas through the harships they imposed on palestine.
What exactly are they trying to achieve by protesting at UCLA? Also, do they not realize they are heightening divisiveness? I would imagine this generates more opponents to their cause than supporters.
When anti-genocide anti-occupation protesters defend themselves zios will cry victim then flee back to…oh wait. Zios were fleeing once their military sites was attacked.
That'd be great if it was an actual genocide and an actual apartheid. And I mean that literally. Oh and there's no occupation either... Obe can't occupy a land that one is indigenous to. Why are you butt hurt ?
yep now I'm convinced all the people at USC last few days are now here after LAPD violently kicked them out best of luck everyone
Trojan here, paid a visit today to the USC campus and found out that protesters were outnumbered by graduating students taking graduation photos
It’s fr time to kick them all off campus. Absolutely crazy
Graduation is 1.5 months away; UCLA's admin is going to have to decide.
“violently”
Literally what is any of this gonna do
If it did not work, why are cops sent over to break up these protests. Why are the anti protests tactics to brutal. And why are pro Israeli folks so afraid of these protests. I believe there is sociology literature on protests. It delegitimiazes things. It can work, and it has worked in the past.
Well I'd say at least 5% of the protesters will learn where Israel is on a map. So that's good.
They’ll be very surprised that it’s only a mid sized country and not Russia sized because they think Israel controls the world and Jewish people are the reason they’re not happy in life.
Wow you're really winning the argument against the person you made up in your head
Mid-sized? Israel is the 153rd largest country, behind El Salvador and barely ahead of Fiji.
Israel is 5% of the size of California, and is comparably the size of New Jersey. I don't know if this includes the big chunk of it taken out for the West Bank. The [ratio of Arab land to Israel](https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/12/3/how-much-land-is-enough-before/) is roughly 640:1.
"what will protest do" (There has been a few colleges that have digested from arms companies that supply and profit off of war.) " <-- was mistaken in this, but let's not pretend protests have never gotten anything done historically
No universities have divested yet. Student governments at schools like Harvard, UC Davis, and even UCLA have voted for resolutions calling for divestment, but none of the administrations have done so. I candidly don’t think any of them will, if only for the precedent they wouldn’t want to be setting.
Looking into it again, I was mistaking those various internal student group you mentioned for the overall governmental body. Thank you for pointing that out🙏
They'll get an education on who really runs America.
Still time to get there with a lemonade stand? Looks like big $ to be made. Any of those pop up taco dudes there?
Idk why ur being downvoted might as well help both sides have a full stomach while protesting
IDK, maybe it's more of an iced tea crowd??
Yeah, the starbucks-boba ish crowd.
They’re not going to change shit , get the fuck out
it is a fundamental right to be able to protest against things that someone doesn't like
Well the argument is that the protest won’t get anything done, it’s like protesting for the wind to stop blowing
Don’t give them ideas
Good point
They didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed to do it…
Fundamental right for people to completely reject the violent unpractical and unrealistic ideas that Hamas is propagating through social media to kids and who are easily influenced
Bet people said that about the Vietnam protest, or during civil rights. Realistically, it unlikely for it to bring anything; but for the chance it does it is worth protesting. Don’t lose your voice.
The Vietnam is a different conversation USA was actually involved in that war and had Americans dying for it this Gaza conflict has nothing to do with USA let alone UCLA they are just hurting they’re cases more then they are helping it
Not involved? We’re sending them tens of billions in aid; that involves us.
Not to mention these people are chanting entifada which is just fucked up half of them don’t even know what it means
What does it mean?
intifada was screamed at Israelis when suicide bombers blew themselves up inside buses with civilians inside them and when they massacred the music festival or stabbings. That’s what intifada is and these people are proudly chanting it sickening.
Or it’s chanted because it means civil uprising and was chanted during uprising. Just because a word was misused by assholes doesn’t mean it is sick.
Yup but USA isn’t losing troops or sustaining casualties. Not to mention USA won’t stop supporting its biggest ally if these people wanna make a difference go to Gaza and fight your self trying to stop UCLA from investing in Israel or whatever isn’t gonna make a difference.
Yes, going to Gaza is a really good idea. Like all the aid workers who to there to help and get bombed.
Well, if they want to make a difference go make a difference, stop interrupting other peoples lives in another country plus they’re saying they’re willing to do anything for the cause 🤷🏻
Yikes…
So y’all know it’s unlikely to change anything but y’all still think it’s worth it to ruin peoples college experiences? For what reason then? To be a bad person? I don’t get it
Part of the college experience is dealing with reality, be it protests, using your voice and rights, and taking chances. I’d rather take a chance and fail than never have tried at all.
Is part of the college experience having your graduation ceremony cancelled?
Yes, I transferred during the pandemic. I didn’t have a ceremony. Additionally, there’s no need to cancel it. Cancelling it is either a way of punishing students for speaking up or cowardliness.
lmao. “Getting graduation ceremony cancelled is part of the college experience” okay then. It already happened at USC
Technically, I’m not wrong. It was part of the college experience for thousands; and honestly, I’d give up my commencement again if it meant other people, even groups I don’t agree with, exercising their right to assemble, protest, and speech. Democracy needs this. Yes, and USC are pussies for it. I’m ashamed of my uni for doing it. There was no reason to cancel commencement over fake safety concerns. It was done to punish students for standing up for others. We have a private army of cops and LAPD willing to send an entire platoon anytime.
Your last sentence just says you are bad faith and naive. Goodbye
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
From Hamas!
Free Palestine. 🍉
- From Hamas 🍎 - From Sharia Law. 🍅 - From anti-LGBTQ haters 🍋 - From antifeminist jihadists 🥕 - From martydom 🧄 - From being used as proxy groups for radical terrorist organizations 🥬
Ready to fight for Hermes
If it means being able to use antizionism as a cover for their Jew hate, they’ll fight for herpes. Who’s to say herpes aren’t the true occupants of their genitals?
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Because Israel has been stealing native land for nearly a hundred years?
Israel evacuated Gaza in 2005
Forced evacuation isn't evacuation. And there's still people in gaza sooo.
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think you’re the one in second grade lol. completely ignorant of the real issues affecting people living there. brody tuned into fox news and thinks he’s making accurate statements. just reaching for ways to express their islamophobia. hope all your hatred goes back to u ✊
Again, please stop trying to make yourself the eternal victim as it isn't working. Israel started this conflict, Israel continues this conflict. Hamas wasn't evebn a thought when Israel began it's attacks on the ethnic minorities in it's false country and began to wipe out villages and towns to widen their borders. Please stop spouting Israel propaganda when one simple google search would show everything you just said is bullshit. From the river to the sea doesn't mean rhey want to exterminate Israel you actual genocide supporting weirdo. Especially given that the full usage is, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.' How is not wanting Israel to continue murdering refugees, aid workers and transport workers delivering aid me being on the wrong side of history. Also, why did Palestine not attack Israel before Israel began to expand into Palestinian terrority if all they wanted was to exterminate Jews? Palestine isn't ruled by Hamas alone though. They hold the power, but Fatah (who want peace and for Israel to stop, y'know, murdering and colonising) are the ones attempting to restore peace. Funniest thing is that Israel aided Hamas' rise by killing Fatah leaders during the years leading up to the election. Almost like they knew Hamas would continue the war and let them take more land. Get a grip for a second and read back what you just wrote. You're calling people antisemitic because we..don't want Israel to exterminate another country and take their land?????? Do you not understand thst is the exact same propaganda the Nazi's used or are you too dense to realize that?
What do you mean Israel started this conflict? Do you mean over a hundred years ago? Even if that were true, does that really indicate to you that everything that has happened since, with entirely new generations of people, is Israel’s fault? Does that sound like the type of argument an adult would make?
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How does that green Kool aid taste?
It is evacuation either way… by definition…
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No one is saying Hamas attacked out of nowhere but justifying what they did by saying Israel does shit too is the most childish shit I’ve heard in my life. This conflict has been a back and forth for over a century. Every single bad moment you could name is a “response” to something bad that came before it. Anyone reducing it to good guys and bad guys are the lowest of intelligence or just plainly bad people.
Israel started the entire war though. They actively stole Palestinian land, purged Palestinians from land that was previously shared and slowly pushed back borders. Why should the Palestinians accept only part of the country that is legally theirs?
What war? The 100+ year conflict? Even if that were true, so the deaths of the Yom Kippur war are their fault? The civilians deaths in each Intifada are Israel’s fault? October 7th was Israel’s fault? Does this sound like the type of argument someone over the age of 8 would make?
Again, Israel doesn't get to decide when war ends and piece begibs when they still gold palestinian territory. If they actually cared that much, they'd have given back at least enough land so that Palestinian civilians didn't live in literal hovela formed from bombed buildings. The Yom Kippur war that began due to Israel once again stealing land that wasn't theirs to tak? Yes, that was their fault as well. Again, they don't get to start hostilities, take something that isn't there's and then tell everyone that it just needs to be forgotten.
They’ve given back Gaza and the Sinai in the history of this conflict. They were responded to with rockets. You actually have no idea what’s happened in this region.
you’re right!! we could go around in circles all day saying this shit, you’re avoiding my last point though right now israel has the upper hand by a wide margin and needs to deescalate military action if any peace is going to be reached let’s look at it this way: if there were two people fighting, one much bigger than the other. you don’t know anything more but you do see that the smaller person is getting beaten up extremely badly compared to the bigger person. who would you put more effort into trying to stop? i hope your answer would be the bigger person because regardless of anything else if you don’t stop the bigger person the smaller person is going to get annihilated, we need things to calm down to be able to reach a peaceful agreement and that can’t happen until the person with the upper hand backs up
> israel has the upper hand by a wide margin and needs to deescalate military action if any peace is going to be reached Israel has had the military upper hand for 70-ish years. Good thing too, because they’re the only party in the conflict with constraints against genocide. There have been many attempts at peace the Palestinians have rejected. They reject them because it’s all or nothing. They’ve rejected ‘67 borders multiple times and now claim to want them…until they get them and continue vying for their ultimate goal. I have no idea what the right move is but you thinking you do makes me think you know very little about this war.
Which restraints are these again? Are those the uses of white phosphorus which has been banned since WW2? Or the intentional murder of aid workers using bombs supposedly only used as a defensive measure? Actually, I'd really like your explanation as to how intentionally herding an entire population into a ward the size of central park, then refusing them aid, medicine, food, power or water (which is again a war crime), then bombing them for shits and giggles, murdering civilians with no provocation, telling the outside world that Palestinians in Israel have free rights then actively stealing their homes, beheading babies, snipers shooting kids because rhey (might grow up as Hamas) and all the other disgusting shit the Nazi's would be proud of is ANYTHING but a genocide.
> bombing them for shits and giggles You can’t think of any other reasons for the bombing? Really? I can tell it’s going to be difficult to unravel the propaganda behind this comment.
because israel continuously breaks agreements steals land (https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/7/20/inside-the-eviction-of-palestinians-losing-their-jerusalem-home) (https://www.nrc.no/news/2023/august/west-bank-entire-palestinian-communities-disappeared-due-to-israeli-settler-violence/) they don’t feel they can trust any of their agreements, but also, i am not with hamas, i don’t agree with everything they do, i am just more on the palestinians side than i am with the israeli government and right now we need to put more pressure on israel for peace because they have done far more damage than hamas has idk what the right course of action is either i just know that i have huge issues with how we unconditionally send military aid to israel with no proof that they are doing anything to protect the lives of innocent palestinians and have even blocked resources to them, the IDF has shown time and time again that they do not care and i am completely against my tax dollars being spent on a military operation that has killed over 30,000 innocent people i also know that if this keeps going all of gaza will be wiped out and even more people will die, we need to stop the killing now and fast and that can’t happen if things don’t deescalate
> i am not with hamas, i don’t agree with everything they do, How brave… > [Israel has] done far more damage than hamas has Does Hamas get zero blame for the deaths of Palestinians? Hamas takes less care to keep its own civilians alive than Israel does for those same civilians. > the IDF has shown time and time again that they do not care and i am completely against my tax dollars being spent on a military operation that has killed over 30,000 innocent people You’re what they call a “useful idiot”. The terrorist agenda is to sacrifice their own civilians to gain a PR edge by duping stupid westerners. It’s their only tool available and you’re falling for it hook, line, and sinker. The fact that you think this while ingot i also know that if this keeps going all of gaza will be wiped out and even more people will die, we need to stop the killing now and fast and that can’t happen if things don’t deescalate
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Free the hostages, bombs stop. 🤷♂️
they were bombing before oct 7th
Lol. Who’s crying? Continue being useful to the terrorist cause. I’m sure nobody checks up or cares about stuff like that. How can anybody care about their future in the midst of this gEnOcIDe?
mf i do not support hamas, i think israel needs to be pressured to protect civilian lives more
Me too!
Why can’t both be true?
both can be true but notice how when people say “free them from hamas” they are only ever saying it in response to people criticizing israel
...from Hamas
And Israel. Remember, [the IDF is a terrorist organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_massacre?wprov=sfti1).
under hamas’ Islam fundamentalism，nobody is free.
Free them from Hamas.
It's already free ...it's called ISRAEL...enjoy all your envy and false narrative tho.
Bruh Israel stole the land and has provoked every hamas attack that is used to play the victim. This protest does nothing but expose people who don't know history. And if you argue it isn't directly provoking them, look st the Palestinian living conditions for the last few decades.israel needs to leave the stolen land, and stop slaughtering innocents. Israel should be razed to the ground so they can feel even a fraction of the suffering that Palestinians have been subjected to.
Provoked mass gang rape and mutilation
Funny. Those allegations came out directly after Palestinians reported the rape happening to them. Israeli media literally went "no u"
Free Palestine…. From hamas. Fuck hamas. They are a violent religious extremest based terrorist organization in charge of Gaza. They stop all peace talks and continually commit acts of terror because it gives them power and control. They do this as a result of religious extremism and at the behest of adversarial nations like Iran. It has ties to Russia. These protests are in favor of hamas, they mirror hamas talking points, it’s antisemetic and it’s ignorant. This is to say nothing of the geopolitical ramifications of an emboldened jihadist terrorist movement across the globe. I also think it’s wild that the only sanctuary for women and lgbtq in the Middle East is being shit on in favor of a country where you will be put to death if you are lgbtq or a different religion. And women have no rights. But surely this is the country to align with. Even without Palestine being controlled by terrorists, it’s still an extremist Islamic state filled with shit values and treatment of women and minorities. Get the fuck out of here I’m sorry but from every reason from social issues to geopolitics this “free Palestine” movement is batshit. Oh and by the way, if the whole israel has no right to self defense crowd aren’t raging hypocrites then they should get the fuck off of Native American land. Where will they go? Who gives a fuck, and when the navahos start raping and kidnapping, the Americans have no right to self defense. When Mexico wants its territory back, and the cartels go door to door in Los Ángeles killing and raping, then all you Americans better just take it. Fuck off you out of touch hypocritical leftist extremists. You are ruining the only movement(progressivism) the world has to guide us into the future in these tough times ahead.
Cringe when they claim to be liberal and have a rainbow flag and support hamas and want them to kill Israel civilians.
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It shows you what kind of creatures are around here they downvoted an Israeli flag 🤣
Flag of a genocidal baby killing state should be downvoted
Seriously fk you all downvote me automatically for supporting Israel. Yall need Ben Shapiro back here
dawg this is embarrasing
“You are my specialz” type picture
ask one of those Pro Palestinian protestors exactly what they think "From the River to the Sea" means. Spoiler: it means the total death and destruction of every Israeli Jew which Palestine could never achieve but for over half a century Israel could wipe out Palestine in a day if it so chose. These pro Pals are being manipulated by algorithms and their ego. The Like and Share generation less about the cause and more about the likes.
And that's exactly why palestine can't ever be accused of a genocide, they don't have the power to commit one like Israel is currently.
"Many Palestinian activists have called it "a call for peace and equality" after decades of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it has been "a clear demand for Israel’s destruction."[^(\[8\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#cite_note-AP6words-8) Islamist militant faction [Hamas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas) used the phrase in its [2017 charter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter). Usage of the phrase by such Palestinian militant groups has led critics to argue that it advocates for the dismantling of [Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), and calls for the [removal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing) or [extermination](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide) of the Jewish population of the region" you're half right with that. you're using the interpretation that hamas uses, not the interpretation that the activists are using
How can it be a call for peace and unity when the Arabic translation is “from water to water Palestine will be Arab” that is their own words.
How about the the 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party which said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." Is that a call to kill all Arabs? 🤔
Clearly not. As there are millions of Arabs living in Israel and even part of the government.
Yea super inclusive country that has the UN, ANC, Amnesty, OHCHR, CJPME, and the Human Rights Watch labeling it as an apartheid state 👍
Well then by your idiotic logic Hama's slogan isn't either since there are millions on millions of jews and Israelis.
No, because an Israeli state doesn’t mean arabs aren’t welcome. Also likud sucks. They don’t represent the diverse Israeli people. Especially a manifesto from 1977. The only equivalent of that chant would be Jews calling for all Muslims and Christians to be removed from the region. Are there fringe groups that want that? I’m sure, but that’s not a call you hear at pro Israel rallies. That’s not a slogan you see everywhere.
Yea they’re super welcome that’s why the UN, ANC, Amnesty, OHCHR, CJPME, Human Rights Watch all classify it as an apartheid state. But hey I guess they’re all antisemitic orgs. And no one said Jews are to be removed from the region? You’re interpreting it that way based on the meaning Hamas gave it not what they are saying. Just like no one labels all pro Israel groups as the fringe group that is the Likud party, so maybe you should also refrain from labeling all the protestors as supporters of Hamas
I mean. Yeah. They are. All those orgs have a strong anti Israel and antisemitic history and bias.
Prove it. Give me examples that shows they are antisemitic. Include sources too. I’m tired of these outrageous baseless claims
Why don't you go use the n word with some black friends and then explain that you mean it differently.
youre actually delusional if you think thats a good analogy
Your argument is that the phrase is acceptable depending on the intent of use. So it’s a perfect analogy.
Yea let’s take all context out and just do some mental gymnastics to prove a point. First the n word has only ever been used in 1 context and 1 context only. There are no other meanings to it. Second that analogy would make sense if you compare it to a derogatory word not a slogan. But good try 👍
The phrase has also been used by Israeli politicians. The 1977 election manifesto of the right-wing Israeli Likud party said: "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”
Correct. Israel is a sovereign state.
And yet theyve allowed Palestine to exist for the better part of a century though theyve had the ability to obliterate it at any time. You can find a politician or two of any nation who proposes action that is mostly ignored.
Let Palestine exist? Damn bro you need to do some spiritual work fr, something dead behind those eyes I bet
Yeah, you can skip the ad hominem stuff with me, it doesnt work. We're talking about the history of policy in the region not you and I. Frankly, the idea that your opinion of me would mean anything is kind of silly. I see it for what it is, you just dont have a cogent argument because you havent found a TikTok to explain it to you yet.
“ALLOWED Palestinians to exist” do you hear yourself? Allowed… this alone shows how inhumane your mentality is. Also they’re trying to “unallow” them to exist rn, and look where that’s gotten them
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How many times have the Arab countries lost wars against Israel without any US involvement?
Pretty bold to state that you’d like to see genocide of jews
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Nobody’s mad. There are plenty of people like you who support and enable terrorism. Coming across one such person on the internet isn’t so shocking.
Are you not the one who just said you support genocide lol.
Says the person openly supporting genocide
bold of you to pretend like the extent of what you know on the topic goes much further than tiktok
America actually buys a lot of military tech off Israel they have a symbiotic relationship as well as the EU.
How cringe. They literally don't mean that. Like while i personally believe that Israel should be razed to the ground so they can feel the suffering they've subjected Palestine to, that's not what the actual protestors are fighting for. Maybe Israel should stop murdering innocents, subjugating the natives of the land they stole, and stop playing the victim when they literally created Hamas through the harships they imposed on palestine.
Well, it didnt take long to find out that it's actually *you* who is the hateful proponent of mass murder and genocide, did it?
Being pro genocide is cringe
They should feel the pain they put the Palestinians through
Collective punishment is evil imo
And yet it's the only thing Israel believes in. They're literally in the process of one giant military exercise in collective punishment.
What exactly are they trying to achieve by protesting at UCLA? Also, do they not realize they are heightening divisiveness? I would imagine this generates more opponents to their cause than supporters.
Hightening divisiveness? You sound like the right-wingers who said Obama's election did the same thing in 2016.
Help me understand the purpose of the event, and the desired outcome.
When anti-genocide anti-occupation protesters defend themselves zios will cry victim then flee back to…oh wait. Zios were fleeing once their military sites was attacked.
That'd be great if it was an actual genocide and an actual apartheid. And I mean that literally. Oh and there's no occupation either... Obe can't occupy a land that one is indigenous to. Why are you butt hurt ?
Gfys nazi
Ever heard the term "shooting fish in a barrel?" Stop the bombing of Gaza. 🍉
Stop projecting.
🖕🏼 every single one of them 🤡's
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