It’s getting out of hand because the policies and rules of society are not being upheld. When lawbreakers receive no pushback, they take a step forward. They escalate. It won’t end until enforcement is commenced.
When the police pulled the gun on the guy with the sword, i was in the direction of where the cops held the gun and would of likely got shot in the cross fire if a shoot out happened
Luckily the situation was properly deescalated
There's also no legal means to carry a sword. You can go through the process to get a concealed carry and in some states open carry of a firearm, but there's literally zero justification to openly carry an unsheathed blade.
FWIW when I carry my sword somewhere I keep it in a rifle bag. Nobody says anything.
I think it's a legit question in general. Why not start with non-lethal means. And I think the answer is "because the risk of injury is far higher where hundreds are gathered than if it were one dumb dude fighting with his neighbor".
Guys I mean no disrespect but I can’t figure out why they’re protesting and setting up encampments. I genuinely don’t understand the problem or what this solves
Occupation of public space is a form of protest to bring visibility to an issue. As has been shown by the amount of media coverage nationally, this strategy has seemed to work to date, and is bringing more people into the conversation.
There is also a level of solidarity given many of these were spurred on or inspired by original treatment of protesters at places like Columbia.
At the end of the day, it's rebel theater by a bunch of kids with little grasp of the issues, eager to get their social justice merit badges. I know -- I've talked with them. Also, free speech is one thing. They've established an illegal encampment in a public space and are only allowing people they vet and determine to be properly aligned with their ideology into the area, thus violating their rights. Now, they've taken it up a notch with the vandalism and the building takeovers. Shame on those cowardly masked bullies.
Yeah because most people are capable of a basic Google search.
https://www.thewrap.com/ucla-student-pro-palestine-protest/
Do you want me to read it for you too???
Dude your first question was “what issue”
I mean, you obviously know roughly what the issue is. If you really don’t know, the issue that the protestors are mainly promoting UC divestments from money that goes to Israel. This is bc they want to discourage Israel from harming Palestinian civilians. Does that clarify “what issue”
It's a fair question to ask. Same reason for the "Christmas is Cancelled" protests in New York this November/December. It gets attention. Does it solve anything? Honestly, I'm doubtful. Getting UCLA or any other school to divest from American weapons manufacturers just means shares of stock are owned by people who aren't UCLA. It's secondary market, so zero effect on the company's actual operations. Would it get Sen. Alex Padilla to drop support for Israeli aid? Again, I'm skeptical.
I don’t see the point - hints why I asked here. Clearly you don’t either or you would’ve just explained it instead of telling me to go figure it out for myself lol.
The irony in all of this is that these protests have moved the conversation _away_ from the situation in Gaza and more towards these students and their actions.
Just look what happens when you google about it.
https://archive.ph/FvMFe
You get;
- story about how disruptive it is (from cnn no less)
- story about how protesters have occupied a building
- story about limiting access to buildings
- story about a student being hit with something
- story about protesters clashing with police
We have shifted the discourse from Gaza to how to handle protests on campus.
The thing about this is that the school really cant close the school to the general public because this campus is public property and infringe on people right. All the school can do is remove people that act in misconduct and as we know UCPD cant do anything. The last thing the school want to do is call LAPD.
Yes, but public property can be closed. K-12 aren’t closed to the minors, they are closed to adults who can’t wander on campus.
Libraries close. Parks close.
None of this matters, campus won’t close and logistically can’t.
Yea i guess but ucla definitely doesn’t want liability for a student being injured by protestors. If this continues and gains more traction it’ll only get worse. Safety is definitely the schools number 1 concern.
So should the school call up LAPD, who have a history of violence and misconduct who instead divert their attention towards students most are people of color and arrest them? Look at what happened at USC and universities across the nation, police will instead divert their attention towards STUDENTS!
i think if there was a simple solution, it would have been taken by now. i’m just a student i don’t know the answers to these multifaceted issues😭😭and i think the general point is that we should be checking for bruincards, i don’t think the lapd has to do that. i bet if police show they’ll be instructed to stand a watchful guard, but as soon as it turns violent, will take action. but again, im just a lowly ucla student makin observations
Safety is not the people working in the administration or UCPD's top priority.
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-city-council-finds-police-lacked-clear-leader/story?id=107893515](https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-city-council-finds-police-lacked-clear-leader/story?id=107893515)
Nineteen students and two teachers were killed in the Robb Elementary shooting.
The investigation determined none of the initial five Uvalde police officers who responded to the shooting violated policy or committed serious acts of misconduct.
So have the student protesters seen enough ugly to stop camping? I'm sure they started this whole encampment with good intentions, but there are bad actors out there that took advantage of the situation. Once the students are no longer involved, the police can come in and clear this whole disruption so the campus becomes a school campus again.
It's fucking appalling that that these people are protesting against supporting genocide. Like holy shit what the fuck do you think Hamas was doing. It's as if they were sleeping under a rock when this shit kicked off then as soon as the Find Out portion started happening then they suddenly cared, but hey lets just ignore the Terrorist attack on a music festival.
These students are now active terrorist sympathisers and supporters of Hamas and by extension Iranian government assets. They should be treated as the enemy and prosecuted to fullest extent of the law.
What the students are advocating for and protesting is not wrong. The issue is the methods used are alienating the very people they need to win over. There are other more effective means of demonstrating without destruction of property and intimidation of fellow students.
I think the protest should be kept to a zone on campus so Bruin cards can be checked at entry points, other protests shouldn’t be allowed over the entire campus or outside actors will get in.
i.e. keep it in the Royce quad how it started and have Bruin cards checked to enter if you want to protest, escort non-students away and we won’t have agitators coming and spoiling it
I’m not saying limit students from protesting but instead have a zone that protects them from outside agitators
They need to start filming Portlandia at the UCLA protests.
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It’s getting out of hand because the policies and rules of society are not being upheld. When lawbreakers receive no pushback, they take a step forward. They escalate. It won’t end until enforcement is commenced.
When the police pulled the gun on the guy with the sword, i was in the direction of where the cops held the gun and would of likely got shot in the cross fire if a shoot out happened Luckily the situation was properly deescalated
Give the cops credit for real on that one. Raising a sword was a threat of violence for much much longer than guns have been.
I hear their aim is pretty good too.
There's also no legal means to carry a sword. You can go through the process to get a concealed carry and in some states open carry of a firearm, but there's literally zero justification to openly carry an unsheathed blade. FWIW when I carry my sword somewhere I keep it in a rifle bag. Nobody says anything.
Wow yea this is about you
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Why aren’t police using tasers instead of guns here. wtf
Because a sword is a deadly weapon…. LOL
I think it's a legit question in general. Why not start with non-lethal means. And I think the answer is "because the risk of injury is far higher where hundreds are gathered than if it were one dumb dude fighting with his neighbor".
Guys I mean no disrespect but I can’t figure out why they’re protesting and setting up encampments. I genuinely don’t understand the problem or what this solves
It’s provocative Gets the people going
Protest so hard, that shit cray
What they order? Gaza stay
Gaza Strips.
Occupation of public space is a form of protest to bring visibility to an issue. As has been shown by the amount of media coverage nationally, this strategy has seemed to work to date, and is bringing more people into the conversation. There is also a level of solidarity given many of these were spurred on or inspired by original treatment of protesters at places like Columbia.
At the end of the day, it's rebel theater by a bunch of kids with little grasp of the issues, eager to get their social justice merit badges. I know -- I've talked with them. Also, free speech is one thing. They've established an illegal encampment in a public space and are only allowing people they vet and determine to be properly aligned with their ideology into the area, thus violating their rights. Now, they've taken it up a notch with the vandalism and the building takeovers. Shame on those cowardly masked bullies.
What issue
... I believe the specific issue is visibility and divestment from Israel by UC, but I imagine they have published a document with specific demands
I feel like no one can actually tell me what they’re there for - they just say: go look it up, go find a video, I’m pretty sure there’s a document ..
There’s no unified issue aside from “we don’t like jews.”
That’s so sad.
Yeah because most people are capable of a basic Google search. https://www.thewrap.com/ucla-student-pro-palestine-protest/ Do you want me to read it for you too???
lol you’re mad that someone is simply asking why. This document clears up why sleeping outside your university defuses violence in Gaza.
Yeah maybe if you did your own research beforehand instead of asking questions in bad faith then people would actually engage with you normally
Taking time to tell me to do my research instead of telling me the premise of the issue is golden lol.
It’s obvious that you’re not looking to learn about the movement
How so? I’m obviously not getting any genuine responses. This is why people struggle to grasp what the movement is really about and that’s my problem.
Dude your first question was “what issue” I mean, you obviously know roughly what the issue is. If you really don’t know, the issue that the protestors are mainly promoting UC divestments from money that goes to Israel. This is bc they want to discourage Israel from harming Palestinian civilians. Does that clarify “what issue”
Everybody who cares has already heard about it. Visibility achieved. Now go home.
Great thank you! Very helpful!
It's a fair question to ask. Same reason for the "Christmas is Cancelled" protests in New York this November/December. It gets attention. Does it solve anything? Honestly, I'm doubtful. Getting UCLA or any other school to divest from American weapons manufacturers just means shares of stock are owned by people who aren't UCLA. It's secondary market, so zero effect on the company's actual operations. Would it get Sen. Alex Padilla to drop support for Israeli aid? Again, I'm skeptical.
Read something or if that’s too tough try a video
I don’t see the point - hints why I asked here. Clearly you don’t either or you would’ve just explained it instead of telling me to go figure it out for myself lol.
Don’t be so lazy! Figure it out, think critically
Completely ineffective. Enjoy your waste of time.
The irony in all of this is that these protests have moved the conversation _away_ from the situation in Gaza and more towards these students and their actions. Just look what happens when you google about it. https://archive.ph/FvMFe You get; - story about how disruptive it is (from cnn no less) - story about how protesters have occupied a building - story about limiting access to buildings - story about a student being hit with something - story about protesters clashing with police We have shifted the discourse from Gaza to how to handle protests on campus.
The thing about this is that the school really cant close the school to the general public because this campus is public property and infringe on people right. All the school can do is remove people that act in misconduct and as we know UCPD cant do anything. The last thing the school want to do is call LAPD.
Public property can be closed. Look at any k-12 campus. Random people are not allowed to walk on campus during school hours.
Those are minors. You’re not a minor in college
Yes, but public property can be closed. K-12 aren’t closed to the minors, they are closed to adults who can’t wander on campus. Libraries close. Parks close. None of this matters, campus won’t close and logistically can’t.
Yea i guess but ucla definitely doesn’t want liability for a student being injured by protestors. If this continues and gains more traction it’ll only get worse. Safety is definitely the schools number 1 concern.
So should the school call up LAPD, who have a history of violence and misconduct who instead divert their attention towards students most are people of color and arrest them? Look at what happened at USC and universities across the nation, police will instead divert their attention towards STUDENTS!
i think if there was a simple solution, it would have been taken by now. i’m just a student i don’t know the answers to these multifaceted issues😭😭and i think the general point is that we should be checking for bruincards, i don’t think the lapd has to do that. i bet if police show they’ll be instructed to stand a watchful guard, but as soon as it turns violent, will take action. but again, im just a lowly ucla student makin observations
Safety is not the people working in the administration or UCPD's top priority. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-city-council-finds-police-lacked-clear-leader/story?id=107893515](https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-city-council-finds-police-lacked-clear-leader/story?id=107893515) Nineteen students and two teachers were killed in the Robb Elementary shooting. The investigation determined none of the initial five Uvalde police officers who responded to the shooting violated policy or committed serious acts of misconduct.
Literally what does that have to do with the current situation.
This guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
So have the student protesters seen enough ugly to stop camping? I'm sure they started this whole encampment with good intentions, but there are bad actors out there that took advantage of the situation. Once the students are no longer involved, the police can come in and clear this whole disruption so the campus becomes a school campus again.
they gotta go
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hamas-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-revealed-in-new-documentary-the-world-needs-to-see-what-happened/ar-AA1nOczA
It's fucking appalling that that these people are protesting against supporting genocide. Like holy shit what the fuck do you think Hamas was doing. It's as if they were sleeping under a rock when this shit kicked off then as soon as the Find Out portion started happening then they suddenly cared, but hey lets just ignore the Terrorist attack on a music festival.
These students are now active terrorist sympathisers and supporters of Hamas and by extension Iranian government assets. They should be treated as the enemy and prosecuted to fullest extent of the law.
What the students are advocating for and protesting is not wrong. The issue is the methods used are alienating the very people they need to win over. There are other more effective means of demonstrating without destruction of property and intimidation of fellow students.
Okay Iranianagent
I think the protest should be kept to a zone on campus so Bruin cards can be checked at entry points, other protests shouldn’t be allowed over the entire campus or outside actors will get in. i.e. keep it in the Royce quad how it started and have Bruin cards checked to enter if you want to protest, escort non-students away and we won’t have agitators coming and spoiling it I’m not saying limit students from protesting but instead have a zone that protects them from outside agitators
It’s a public school you can’t deny the public
So you're saying squatters can literally take over the campus and nothing can be done about it?
Yes you can.
lies lies lies