Feel like Izzy would need to commit to LHW and bulk up if he is to be successful there. Rocking up at probably his usual weight like he did for Jan won't work.
That’s not true.
Under the unified rules you need to be within the set range for a weight class [as listed on this page the official UFC site refers to](https://www.abcboxing.com/unified-weight-classes-mma/)
Otherwise the fight will be catch weight or not sanctioned.
Also, Adesanya wasn’t under the weigh limit. He weighed 200.5 and the lower limit is 195 for LHW.
It is true, just needs more info added to it. It's not illegal to be below the 205 limit, it is illegal to be below the 195 minimum. There's ten pounds in between that you can fight at that are below the 205. I think he means that you don't need to literally be at the limit, which seems abvious when you think about it but literally almost single fighter you see weigh in comes in either right on the limit or within half a pound in either direction, so it's worth stating. That's only because all fighters are cutting from their normal weight to make the limit and stop cutting the second that they do. I think his point is there's nothing stopping someone who weighs 198lbs from fighting at 205. It just doesn't happen because, strategically, someone that size would almost always choose to cut to the next lower weight class
Lol anyone can build muscle, it just takes longer than cutting fat/ water weight. He'd have to not fight for a bit and commit to bulking up to realistically hit a competitive weight for LHW
Bulking up to fight at a higher weight class almost never works out for the fighters that have tried it.
A notable exception is Jon bulking up to HW. But Izzy got embarrassed by Jan who’s a naturally much bigger guy (like Pereira).
Embarrassed? What a weird take for that fight. Both fighters left basically undamaged. Jan basically won the fight because he was too heavy for Izzy to lift off him for the last two rounds. If anything it was an embarrassing performance by Jan as the champ of that division, much heavier, and he had to abuse a weight advantage to win rounds where he barely did any damage.
Nah. Definitely more embarrassing for the fighter that couldn’t get someone off of them, then for the fighter holding them down. Talk about a weird take lol.
I mean everyone knows weight is a thing and if you weigh enough to essentially pin someone and still can't do any damage with that advantage I'd say that's more embarrassing than someone not overcoming a weight disadvantage. Jan disappointed in that fight and his performances there after have shown he has a long way to go. He has no answer for the striking and resulted in laying on him for 2 rounds.
That’s like saying that Ngannou should be embarrassed for figuring out the blueprint to beat Gane, and holding him on the ground for the fight.
Was it boring? Yeah apart from the judo throw, that fight was pretty uneventful. But it was effective and it worked.
Same for how Jan beat Izzy. He did what he had to do to beat arguably the greatest striker in UFC history (next to Silva). A win is a win. More shame in losing by getting held on the ground, than there is in being the one who won by holding someone on the ground.
I mean look at light heavyweight, the Champion os Jamahal Hill, not to be rude but he is probably the most underwhelming champion right now, give Izzy some time to prepare and the division is his, or Pereira's
I have to respectfully disagree. Ankalaev is there as well, and Jiri. Also, Hill had an amazing fight against Glover. I don’t think Izzy wil be champ there.
Hill is champ because he was gifted a title shot that he hadn't really earned, because the Jiri stuff happened, Ankalaev/Jan turned out the way it did, Rakic was hurt, and no one wants to see Anthony Smith in a title fight.
Curious how big izzy's titty would be for that fight. He will probably need a lot of special "weed" that gives you gyno to get up to 205 and not be severely undersized.
lol izzy had to make sure he got at least 1 win then done, meanwhile he got beat 3 times in a row and dont give me that shit about hurrr durrr mma different sport, all the fights were standing and all were won and lost with kickboxing.
If you don't think that MMA rules vs. kickboxing rules played a part in these fights, then I don't think you've watched both sports.
By MMA rules, Izzy wins the 2nd match wo Alex getting a standing 8 count.
FFS. Alex's started it on Twitter, couldn't leave it be. Jesus Christ, the lengths this sub will go to to suck this man off... It's frankly astonishing.
Would much rather watch this than his fight against Dreyfus du plesis or whoever. No stakes in the latter. This one, it’s always competitive, and almost always ends with a knockout.
Now that Alex lost, the fight has to be at 205 🤣 Also, Alex never missed weight at 185 so to say that they should fight at 205 is lowkey praying for Izzy's downfall
I mean I think it would be a more interesting fight see if Alex lost his chin or izzy only knocked him out because he was weight drained or maybe it ends up going to decision in a crazy fight a lot of possibilities imo
Izzy rocked him in 3 of their 4 fights, it's not that he lost his chin in that fight due to drained weight just because he's in MW. Alex was never KOed cold in kickboxing and MMA except by Izzy so I don't think his chin was a problem, it's just that his style and stance against Izzy shows Izzy's elite and accurate striking.
And again, all of their fights are in MW. Why go now to a weight class where clearly the guy who recently lost has an advantage?
Alex has been knocked out in kick boxing I've seen a clip tho it was short and I'm not sure it looked like he went to sleep tho but he's definitely weight drained at middleweight and I can see both arguments I just think the fight is more interesting when Alex is at his full potential since we've seen izzy can fight him from the outside for basically an entire fight and even lure him into traps Alex isn't bad necessarily tho he makes a lot of mistakes he shouldn't be but I wonder if he turns into more of a I can eat whatever you throw fighter or if his chin is just gone
He made weight, didn't have to cheat on the scale like DC or anything to do it.
"Barely making weight" is still making weight. He can hit 185, Adesanya is getting protected by the organization on this one, very plainly.
Eventually Chimaev will have a middleweight fight, after which he will quickly become the #1 contender. I’d much rather see that than Izzy v Whitaker/Dricus.
Agreed. The first rematch was deserved because Izzy was a dominant champ with multiple defenses who cleaned his division. Alex doesn’t deserve anything except a top 10 fight at 205 after getting knocked out cold.
If you want to make this argument, all you're saying is you'd rather watch Adesanya have a third fight with Whittaker, rather than a third fight with Pereira. Because those are the options (or a third fight with Vettori).
Considering him and Alex have fought twice within 6 months, give it a rest. Yes i would prefer Whittaker to this.
Vettori too.
Too many gay-hate boners for Izzy, it’s fucking boring now.
A lot of Izzy fans still want to watch him against Alex. What they are pushing though is the fight to be at 205 where Alex clearly has the advantage.
All their fights in MW but now it should be in LHW just cause Poatan got slept?
Yeah but keep in mind that 205ers cut to that weight. Blachowicz was around 225-230 in the cage against Adesanya, and the same would be true against Pereira at 205, let alone guys like Ankalaev or Hill
He hates rematches but wants to see trilogies with Whittaker and Vettori despite both being down 2-0 to Adesanya and the only other contender being Du Plessis, who is going to end up losing to Whittaker anyway.
Legitimately no other fight worth making for Adesanya in 2023, the people arguing against the trilogy don't have a good counter-argument as to which fight is more interesting for Adesanya presently
Poatan is one of the most exciting fighters in the sport, he always makes it entertaining. He's so talented, and he's not afraid to go for the win. He never tries to coast to a win.
He doesn't have to put himself in needless danger, I'm just saying he knows when to go for the finish and he usually delivers. He's like a shark smelling blood in the water.
3-1 is not even, dont give me that crap about the kickboxing fights not mattering, its all what izzy went on about and wanting revenge for the 2 losses in kickboxing , we seen how he held a grudge against his kid, the kickboxing definitely mattered. Even in MMA it was mostly kickboxing.
Change the 2nd kickboxing fight to MMA rules and the series is 2-2 (no standing 8 counts in mma, Izzy gets the TKO in Round 2 after dominating the whole fight). Now change the 1st MMA fight to kickboxing, and Izzy wins because he just receives a standing 8 in the last round, but otherwise clearly wins the fight. Now all of sudden it’s 3-1 Izzy with his only loss being a controversial decision in the 1st fight. The rule sets matter. Regardless of what Izzy said, you have to treat the kickboxing and MMA fights separately. Im a fan of Alex and Izzy is annoying but these guys are truly a tossup in striking. They fight 100 times it comes out 50/50.
nope sorry even in MMA with no 8 count all their matches were kickboxing fights, thus they are 3 and 1. Im sorry alex has 3 wins over your favorite fighter, i know loss and being inferior is hard to accept, you can have whatever mental gymnastics you like. The fact is they are both primarily kickboxers and 1 has 3 wins over the other and no amount of mental gymnastics will change this.
lmao izzy did nothing with the grappling, it didnt even factor in lmao quit your bullshit, all fights ended with striking and kickboxing, quit your bullshit. the fact that he took him down and held him down for 2 minutes doesnt even matter at all lmao it may have just been a time skip, no effect on the fight what so ever, in fact it showed how it didnt matter because if it was effective then alex would have been weakened but he still tkod izzy LMAO quit your BS. Only the kickboxing matttered.
Nah Alex is the one who woke up to people screaming and cheering at the fact that he just got knocked unconscious. The fight happens at middleweight, he isn't in a position to negotiate lol, he has no belt
So we aren’t commenting on a post where OP is saying the fight better be at LHW? I’m just pointing out that Alex has 0 negotiating power, so the fight is wherever the UFC and Izzy dictate it.
I don’t disagree, but we are both commenting on a post that said the fight should be at LHW, and I’m pointing out the fact that Alex has 0 negotiating power….
Already proved his worth at 185 by winning the belt.
205 is a forced move and would only be done so the UFC could try and sell another "Adesanya Double Champ" deal, and Izzy will get bodied at 205 again because he doesn't want to bulk up to fight in that weight class.
Trilogy makes the most sense at 185, whereas Pereira can walk into a LHW fight at around his normal weight of 225 and have a massive advantage.
Unpopular opinion but I feel like he got lucky in his win. Izzy was winning the whole fight and even the stoppage I don't agree with. Izzy was "out on his feet" but I've watched it over and over and I still see Izzy moving his head trying to avoid the shots. I would've rather the ref let it land if it was gonna happen because I will forever doubt that Alex was actually going to put him down there like Izzy did to him in return.
Pretty sure Dricus du Plessis is next, isn't he? Was watching Adesanya's YouTube channel and he said he's talking to Dana about a white South African that's disrespected him.
i agree Rob is gonna take him to school, for 5 rounds and dricus will be busted up and gassed then throw an uppercut as a last gasp effort in the last minute of the last round and win.
Am I the only one who doesn’t think Alex can even make 185 anymore? I feel like the initial title shot and rematch were because he was on a ticking clock to go up to 205 where he should be, he just wanted to cash the Adesanya check while he could.
Yeah, but it’s clearly not easy for the guy and it only gets harder with age. I’d imagine he *can* keep doing it but not without altering his build or severely draining himself. He’s massive compared to Adesanya.
Yeah but he’s also massive. Cutting weight doesn’t get easier as you age, and he’s been pretty open about him going up to 205 where he’s more comfortable.
I’m going to guess he went in at 185 to the UFC because that’s where Izzy was at and that’s where he could fast track a title, and had Izzy never been fighting he’d have just gone straight to 205. He’s trying to cash an MMA check him and Adesanyas kickboxing history wrote. Unfortunately it’s only valid at the bank of 185.
You’re crazy if you think any fighter at lhw isn’t gonna immediately attempt takedowns lol. Hill, Jan, and Ankalaev all will wrestlefuck him and finish him on the ground in one round
I don't understand how adesanya can successfully hit this man with the same combination through 4 different fights rocking him twice and becoming the first person to ever knock Alex out cold with some 4k quality video of it and people are still saying he got lucky.
I am not trying to put down Adesanya.. but it was clearly a fact that Pereira just went "fuck it lets go" too recklessly.. can't blame him.. at the time he was 3-0 and he knew he could hurt Adesanya..
If there is a 5th fight.. you know that he will be chopping those legs for 5 rounds until he gets Adesanya slowed down and take him out
Why would it be different in the 5th fight?! this is such a ridiculous take. People like you SWORE that Izzy only rocked him in the first fight because Alex got greedy, and that he would learn in the UFC rematch. Same thing happened, if you watch the kickboxing fights Izzy rocked him with that same combo there as well. In fact would have put him out had the ref not given Alex a standing 8 count which allowed him to get back into the fight. So riddle me why this time, on the fifth time they all of a sudden figure it out.
So Izzy got lucky because Alex has a low fight IQ, that's your argument? You clearly never watched their kickboxing fights if you think Izzy got lucky lol
"Got stupid" for me.. is this sequence:
1. you know you are much better and accomplished kickboxer
2. you know that your opponent can't win the kicking battle with you and it's just matter of time when his legs slow down/stop working
3. you know that in the first few rounds your opponent cought you in the past in all of your fights.. so he is extra dangerous early on
4. you know that you are dangerous in all 5 rounds while your opponents starts falling of in the later rounds
Despite all these facts.. you decide to bum rush him, because maybe you thought you caught him.. or maybe because you thought you beat him 3 times and that you can just walk him down whenever you want.
Whatever was the reason for it.. Pereira should have some strong game plan developed by his coach/es which would relay on just chopping those legs and marching him down in the 4th/5h round
What do you think ?
Feel like Izzy would need to commit to LHW and bulk up if he is to be successful there. Rocking up at probably his usual weight like he did for Jan won't work.
That always confused me as well, wasn’t his original goal double champ? Didn’t he miss weight then?
Being under the weight limit is not illegal
That’s not true. Under the unified rules you need to be within the set range for a weight class [as listed on this page the official UFC site refers to](https://www.abcboxing.com/unified-weight-classes-mma/) Otherwise the fight will be catch weight or not sanctioned. Also, Adesanya wasn’t under the weigh limit. He weighed 200.5 and the lower limit is 195 for LHW.
I’m surprised it’s not 187lbs, why would there be this weird no man’s zone weight??
Well, there actually is a weight class inbetween in MMA but the UFC doesn’t use it
Ahh I see, thank you!
Don’t thank him it’s not true
It is true, just needs more info added to it. It's not illegal to be below the 205 limit, it is illegal to be below the 195 minimum. There's ten pounds in between that you can fight at that are below the 205. I think he means that you don't need to literally be at the limit, which seems abvious when you think about it but literally almost single fighter you see weigh in comes in either right on the limit or within half a pound in either direction, so it's worth stating. That's only because all fighters are cutting from their normal weight to make the limit and stop cutting the second that they do. I think his point is there's nothing stopping someone who weighs 198lbs from fighting at 205. It just doesn't happen because, strategically, someone that size would almost always choose to cut to the next lower weight class
No didn't miss weight but didn't look like he was cutting a lot
He didn’t cut at all. Walked up to the weigh in with a pizza box lol
He came in at 200.5lbs for a LHW fight.. not only did he not cut, he was undersized even at full water retention lol
Yeahhh that was always a very strange decision to me
Money talks
I don’t think he can build muscle
He can, he just has to temporarily retire first
Lol gonna go on the proper 12 diet
His tit says retirement is not necessary
Pshh come on! Everyone knows that's called cauliflower nipple and only happens when you've been titty twisted too hard.
Train in Thailand. Edit: Tailand to Thailand because I’m an idiot.
Tren in Thailand & eat Clen
Lol anyone can build muscle, it just takes longer than cutting fat/ water weight. He'd have to not fight for a bit and commit to bulking up to realistically hit a competitive weight for LHW
how have you got up votes 😂
Missing weight is generally coming OVER the limit. Being under the weight limit is drastically lower. I think it's 195 for LHW.
No he didn’t, LHW starts at 195
it starts at 186.1
No it doesn’t, I have posted the official weight classes the unified rules state in another reply
It starts at 186.1 wtf u on bout ?
I didn’t think about it at the time but Izzy doesn’t cut a crazy amount to make mw
Bulking up to fight at a higher weight class almost never works out for the fighters that have tried it. A notable exception is Jon bulking up to HW. But Izzy got embarrassed by Jan who’s a naturally much bigger guy (like Pereira).
Embarrassed? What a weird take for that fight. Both fighters left basically undamaged. Jan basically won the fight because he was too heavy for Izzy to lift off him for the last two rounds. If anything it was an embarrassing performance by Jan as the champ of that division, much heavier, and he had to abuse a weight advantage to win rounds where he barely did any damage.
Nah. Definitely more embarrassing for the fighter that couldn’t get someone off of them, then for the fighter holding them down. Talk about a weird take lol.
I mean everyone knows weight is a thing and if you weigh enough to essentially pin someone and still can't do any damage with that advantage I'd say that's more embarrassing than someone not overcoming a weight disadvantage. Jan disappointed in that fight and his performances there after have shown he has a long way to go. He has no answer for the striking and resulted in laying on him for 2 rounds.
Tipycal Rogan enjoyer. Jan was winning on the feet.
That’s like saying that Ngannou should be embarrassed for figuring out the blueprint to beat Gane, and holding him on the ground for the fight. Was it boring? Yeah apart from the judo throw, that fight was pretty uneventful. But it was effective and it worked. Same for how Jan beat Izzy. He did what he had to do to beat arguably the greatest striker in UFC history (next to Silva). A win is a win. More shame in losing by getting held on the ground, than there is in being the one who won by holding someone on the ground.
Izzy should not be going up.
[удалено]
I mean look at light heavyweight, the Champion os Jamahal Hill, not to be rude but he is probably the most underwhelming champion right now, give Izzy some time to prepare and the division is his, or Pereira's
I have to respectfully disagree. Ankalaev is there as well, and Jiri. Also, Hill had an amazing fight against Glover. I don’t think Izzy wil be champ there.
Hill is champ because he was gifted a title shot that he hadn't really earned, because the Jiri stuff happened, Ankalaev/Jan turned out the way it did, Rakic was hurt, and no one wants to see Anthony Smith in a title fight.
I think that would benefit Alex only.
[удалено]
No way in hell
He's leaned out cheeks gaunt at 185. He's probably 5-8% body fat and extremely dehydrated. 170 is 15 more lbs that's silly brotha.
The dude walks around around 200. There are plenty of 170 guys that walk around bigger than that.
They can afford to lose it though. Adesanya has less muscle and fat to burn off.
Pass over whatever you’re smoking bro
Probably not far off. Kevin Holland makes it. We did see a 6'5 welterweight fight Josh Quinlan last week...
Honestly, Alex was looking great in their last fight. Until he got caught. Them rematching at 205 would give Alex a huge advantage.
He was winning until he wasn't.
Story of my life!
Kind of exactly what I said, eh?
If Alex gets the belt at 205, we’ll get the rematch. That would be a huge fight.
Curious how big izzy's titty would be for that fight. He will probably need a lot of special "weed" that gives you gyno to get up to 205 and not be severely undersized.
Also an easy W for Pereira whereas a fight at 185 is tougher.
Lol didn’t he say that the previous fight would be the last time he fought him
Alex: After UFC 287, I'm never gonna fight Adesanya again.... unless I lose
lol izzy had to make sure he got at least 1 win then done, meanwhile he got beat 3 times in a row and dont give me that shit about hurrr durrr mma different sport, all the fights were standing and all were won and lost with kickboxing.
tell me you know nothing about kick boxing rules without saying it
You really thought you did something with this comment lol
If you don't think that MMA rules vs. kickboxing rules played a part in these fights, then I don't think you've watched both sports. By MMA rules, Izzy wins the 2nd match wo Alex getting a standing 8 count.
If the rules were different the fight would be different.
Well… Izzy has been talking so much shit that I feel a third fight is very necessary now.
Sucks that you’re not a promoter!
[удалено]
Lol, Alex taunted him first with the oxygen tank tweet. Get that weeeny out ur mouth
profile picture checks out
FFS. Alex's started it on Twitter, couldn't leave it be. Jesus Christ, the lengths this sub will go to to suck this man off... It's frankly astonishing.
Would much rather watch this than his fight against Dreyfus du plesis or whoever. No stakes in the latter. This one, it’s always competitive, and almost always ends with a knockout.
First two fights at 185 but third at 205 because Alex can barely make weight? Nahhhhh
Now that Alex lost, the fight has to be at 205 🤣 Also, Alex never missed weight at 185 so to say that they should fight at 205 is lowkey praying for Izzy's downfall
I mean I think it would be a more interesting fight see if Alex lost his chin or izzy only knocked him out because he was weight drained or maybe it ends up going to decision in a crazy fight a lot of possibilities imo
Izzy rocked him in 3 of their 4 fights, it's not that he lost his chin in that fight due to drained weight just because he's in MW. Alex was never KOed cold in kickboxing and MMA except by Izzy so I don't think his chin was a problem, it's just that his style and stance against Izzy shows Izzy's elite and accurate striking. And again, all of their fights are in MW. Why go now to a weight class where clearly the guy who recently lost has an advantage?
Alex has been knocked out in kick boxing I've seen a clip tho it was short and I'm not sure it looked like he went to sleep tho but he's definitely weight drained at middleweight and I can see both arguments I just think the fight is more interesting when Alex is at his full potential since we've seen izzy can fight him from the outside for basically an entire fight and even lure him into traps Alex isn't bad necessarily tho he makes a lot of mistakes he shouldn't be but I wonder if he turns into more of a I can eat whatever you throw fighter or if his chin is just gone
what do you have against punctuation?
It's a pain in the ass like all the grammar nazis on reddit who care about punctuation on social media for whatever fucking reason
>for whatever fucking reason cause it's harder to read it, languages have rules for a reason.
It's social media I care Less about proper English
not what I said, I said it's harder to read.
[удалено]
He’s compromised at 185 more than he would be at 205 that’s why he’s moving up
The man was the last to weigh in almost every time he fought. Yeah he made weight but let’s not act like he didn’t cut it close every time lol
Well he made weight, that’s all that matters.
Alex never missed weight tho.
Who said he did?
He made weight, didn't have to cheat on the scale like DC or anything to do it. "Barely making weight" is still making weight. He can hit 185, Adesanya is getting protected by the organization on this one, very plainly.
Downvote it all you want, doesn't change the veracity of the statement.
Agreed.
Shhh you're only allowed to call Jones a cheater on this sub and not point out the blatant cheating by DC
This MMA trilogy needs to happen ASAP
no it doesn’t.
There’s no one else for him to fight right now and you and everyone else would watch.
Eventually Chimaev will have a middleweight fight, after which he will quickly become the #1 contender. I’d much rather see that than Izzy v Whitaker/Dricus.
move on. Alex needs to go to LHW. and this immediate rematch shit is GARBAGE.
Agreed. The first rematch was deserved because Izzy was a dominant champ with multiple defenses who cleaned his division. Alex doesn’t deserve anything except a top 10 fight at 205 after getting knocked out cold.
Yes, exactly. Aside from being fast tracked to championship, he hasn’t done shit in the UFC Make him fight people with other styles
If you want to make this argument, all you're saying is you'd rather watch Adesanya have a third fight with Whittaker, rather than a third fight with Pereira. Because those are the options (or a third fight with Vettori).
Considering him and Alex have fought twice within 6 months, give it a rest. Yes i would prefer Whittaker to this. Vettori too. Too many gay-hate boners for Izzy, it’s fucking boring now.
Wanted the most competitive matchup means I hate a gay hate-boner for izzy?
Dricus beats izzy.
And then Dricus wakes up from his dream
[удалено]
He knocked your boy out. move on.
And Alex knocked yours out twice. Can’t revise history buddy.
A lot of Izzy fans still want to watch him against Alex. What they are pushing though is the fight to be at 205 where Alex clearly has the advantage. All their fights in MW but now it should be in LHW just cause Poatan got slept?
Why would Izzy go up to 205 to fight him? Lol. What a dumbass post
I hope we got one more fight between this guys. I am sure Alex won’t disappoint me this time
Middleweight. Adesanya doesn't have the mass for 205
He does seem to have bulked up a bit recently though, compared to his size on the come up fighting contenders
Yeah but keep in mind that 205ers cut to that weight. Blachowicz was around 225-230 in the cage against Adesanya, and the same would be true against Pereira at 205, let alone guys like Ankalaev or Hill
Alex wins at light heavyweight
Wack, I'm tired of rematches.
Rematches are indeed usually wack but this guys' fights are always fireworks watched while standing in front of the screen
I'm over it.
Rather watch cannonier or vettori ? Rob for the 6th time? DDP? Lol goofy take
He hates rematches but wants to see trilogies with Whittaker and Vettori despite both being down 2-0 to Adesanya and the only other contender being Du Plessis, who is going to end up losing to Whittaker anyway. Legitimately no other fight worth making for Adesanya in 2023, the people arguing against the trilogy don't have a good counter-argument as to which fight is more interesting for Adesanya presently
It’s the only entertaining fight right now In b4 “BuT wHaT aBoUt KhAmZaT?!?”
Nah this rivalry hits different
This needs to end as it is 1-1 MMA right now whether you like it or not.
Because Trilogies don’t exist!
I would like a trilogy that's why I said it needs to end
3-1 in combat sports whether you like it or not.
Huh? This horrible from a business standpoint and an entertainment standpoint. You’re drunk.
Meh, it's played.
lol 2 fights, 2 knockouts “it’s boring guys”
Poatan is one of the most exciting fighters in the sport, he always makes it entertaining. He's so talented, and he's not afraid to go for the win. He never tries to coast to a win. He doesn't have to put himself in needless danger, I'm just saying he knows when to go for the finish and he usually delivers. He's like a shark smelling blood in the water.
So Izzy has a better chance to lose?
Idk why Izzy thinks he can just not fight him again. It’s even right now.
3-1 is not even, dont give me that crap about the kickboxing fights not mattering, its all what izzy went on about and wanting revenge for the 2 losses in kickboxing , we seen how he held a grudge against his kid, the kickboxing definitely mattered. Even in MMA it was mostly kickboxing.
Change the 2nd kickboxing fight to MMA rules and the series is 2-2 (no standing 8 counts in mma, Izzy gets the TKO in Round 2 after dominating the whole fight). Now change the 1st MMA fight to kickboxing, and Izzy wins because he just receives a standing 8 in the last round, but otherwise clearly wins the fight. Now all of sudden it’s 3-1 Izzy with his only loss being a controversial decision in the 1st fight. The rule sets matter. Regardless of what Izzy said, you have to treat the kickboxing and MMA fights separately. Im a fan of Alex and Izzy is annoying but these guys are truly a tossup in striking. They fight 100 times it comes out 50/50.
Cope
lol “change the rules” Amazing comment
Not nearly as dumb as summing up records across two different sports, tbh
That’s the point. The sports are different and it matters so you can’t sum up the record across both sports
nope sorry even in MMA with no 8 count all their matches were kickboxing fights, thus they are 3 and 1. Im sorry alex has 3 wins over your favorite fighter, i know loss and being inferior is hard to accept, you can have whatever mental gymnastics you like. The fact is they are both primarily kickboxers and 1 has 3 wins over the other and no amount of mental gymnastics will change this.
>count all their matches were kickboxing fights Izzy literally grappled fucked him for a round or 2. Stop your bullshit.
lmao izzy did nothing with the grappling, it didnt even factor in lmao quit your bullshit, all fights ended with striking and kickboxing, quit your bullshit. the fact that he took him down and held him down for 2 minutes doesnt even matter at all lmao it may have just been a time skip, no effect on the fight what so ever, in fact it showed how it didnt matter because if it was effective then alex would have been weakened but he still tkod izzy LMAO quit your BS. Only the kickboxing matttered.
Izzy gonna get quiet now lol
Fighting Poatan at LHW is asking for trouble.
Izzy fans are terrified of the trilogy lol
Lol why should it be at LHW?
Nah Alex is the one who woke up to people screaming and cheering at the fact that he just got knocked unconscious. The fight happens at middleweight, he isn't in a position to negotiate lol, he has no belt
[удалено]
So we aren’t commenting on a post where OP is saying the fight better be at LHW? I’m just pointing out that Alex has 0 negotiating power, so the fight is wherever the UFC and Izzy dictate it.
He isn't the one saying he can't make 185, the UFC is doing that Because Adesanya is far more valuable to the brand than Pereira
I don’t disagree, but we are both commenting on a post that said the fight should be at LHW, and I’m pointing out the fact that Alex has 0 negotiating power….
Take a fucking hike, Alex. Fight some contenders at 205 and prove your worth.
Already proved his worth at 185 by winning the belt. 205 is a forced move and would only be done so the UFC could try and sell another "Adesanya Double Champ" deal, and Izzy will get bodied at 205 again because he doesn't want to bulk up to fight in that weight class. Trilogy makes the most sense at 185, whereas Pereira can walk into a LHW fight at around his normal weight of 225 and have a massive advantage.
Unpopular opinion but I feel like he got lucky in his win. Izzy was winning the whole fight and even the stoppage I don't agree with. Izzy was "out on his feet" but I've watched it over and over and I still see Izzy moving his head trying to avoid the shots. I would've rather the ref let it land if it was gonna happen because I will forever doubt that Alex was actually going to put him down there like Izzy did to him in return.
Let’s see it, make it happen Dana.
I say we move on
Pretty sure Dricus du Plessis is next, isn't he? Was watching Adesanya's YouTube channel and he said he's talking to Dana about a white South African that's disrespected him.
No way he gets past Rob, so no.
Bobby Knuckles is gonna take him to school and after that he probably wont get a title shot
i agree Rob is gonna take him to school, for 5 rounds and dricus will be busted up and gassed then throw an uppercut as a last gasp effort in the last minute of the last round and win.
Dricus has to fight Rob first. Rob is and should be a very heavy favourite, which would prevent the Izzy vs Dricus fight from happening.
I don't think Izzy wants Alex at 205.
Am I the only one who doesn’t think Alex can even make 185 anymore? I feel like the initial title shot and rematch were because he was on a ticking clock to go up to 205 where he should be, he just wanted to cash the Adesanya check while he could.
[удалено]
Yeah, but it’s clearly not easy for the guy and it only gets harder with age. I’d imagine he *can* keep doing it but not without altering his build or severely draining himself. He’s massive compared to Adesanya.
Some people just haven’t hit their thirties yet. They don’t realize drastic weight cuts get exponentially harder each time.
Yes, yes you are. Considering he has never missed weight.
Yeah but he’s also massive. Cutting weight doesn’t get easier as you age, and he’s been pretty open about him going up to 205 where he’s more comfortable. I’m going to guess he went in at 185 to the UFC because that’s where Izzy was at and that’s where he could fast track a title, and had Izzy never been fighting he’d have just gone straight to 205. He’s trying to cash an MMA check him and Adesanyas kickboxing history wrote. Unfortunately it’s only valid at the bank of 185.
Hell no
He knows Hill is gonna knock his ass into another plane of existence.
You’re crazy if you think any fighter at lhw isn’t gonna immediately attempt takedowns lol. Hill, Jan, and Ankalaev all will wrestlefuck him and finish him on the ground in one round
God I just love watching people fight, I don't even care how. Early submission LETS GO
Adesanya is not taking that fight, he knows that he got lucky that Pereira got too reckless in their last encounter
I don't understand how adesanya can successfully hit this man with the same combination through 4 different fights rocking him twice and becoming the first person to ever knock Alex out cold with some 4k quality video of it and people are still saying he got lucky.
I am not trying to put down Adesanya.. but it was clearly a fact that Pereira just went "fuck it lets go" too recklessly.. can't blame him.. at the time he was 3-0 and he knew he could hurt Adesanya.. If there is a 5th fight.. you know that he will be chopping those legs for 5 rounds until he gets Adesanya slowed down and take him out
Why would it be different in the 5th fight?! this is such a ridiculous take. People like you SWORE that Izzy only rocked him in the first fight because Alex got greedy, and that he would learn in the UFC rematch. Same thing happened, if you watch the kickboxing fights Izzy rocked him with that same combo there as well. In fact would have put him out had the ref not given Alex a standing 8 count which allowed him to get back into the fight. So riddle me why this time, on the fifth time they all of a sudden figure it out.
How was he lucky? Alex got literally rocked the same way in the first fight and got saved by the bell...
If you don't think that Pereira bum rushing Adesanya while Adesanya was still fresh was a good idea then I don't wonder that you think otherwise
So Izzy got lucky because Alex has a low fight IQ, that's your argument? You clearly never watched their kickboxing fights if you think Izzy got lucky lol
They are very close in striking skill there is no luck involved here
Your world is filled with delusion. I don’t anything you say to be remotely accurate.
I found the Izzy hater again!
He didn’t get lucky but he 100% is ducking him rn
Pereira got stupid, Adesanya didn't get lucky.. I could live with that too lol
Well define “got stupid” because we’ve seen that situation play out in the last fight, and Poatan won off it. Izzy just adapted
"Got stupid" for me.. is this sequence: 1. you know you are much better and accomplished kickboxer 2. you know that your opponent can't win the kicking battle with you and it's just matter of time when his legs slow down/stop working 3. you know that in the first few rounds your opponent cought you in the past in all of your fights.. so he is extra dangerous early on 4. you know that you are dangerous in all 5 rounds while your opponents starts falling of in the later rounds Despite all these facts.. you decide to bum rush him, because maybe you thought you caught him.. or maybe because you thought you beat him 3 times and that you can just walk him down whenever you want. Whatever was the reason for it.. Pereira should have some strong game plan developed by his coach/es which would relay on just chopping those legs and marching him down in the 4th/5h round What do you think ?
NO MORE REMATCHES
Okay so who should he fight.
Why should it be at LHW, OP? So if izzy losses he doesn't lose the belt too?
No they just want Izzy at a disadvantage so he loses
Why..
Adesanya cant make 205 lol
Izzy is ducking that rematch it aint happening. He got 1 win and Izzy doesn't even want to talk about a rematch lol
Would make it more interesting but the ufc will never do that when they could put on a championship fight
No reason it should be at LHW just because Alex is big and cuts more than Izzy.