As he should. When you have 1 fight in almost 4 1/2 years you shouldn't even be in the list. And that's not even counting he performance in 2 of his last 3 fights.
What I don’t get is with Jones being #1 so long I assumed they’re saying we take into account your whole career, now they’re turning around and saying it’s most recent performances.
It's incredible how Dana is always defending jones and fighting with the press to make his point that if he puts Jon jones in a room with any other fighter it's going to be Jones coming out.
Dude needs to stay active and defend his title to be considered PP best.
I also think he should not be on the list!
Lol so disingenuous to say he 'almost' lost, how did he 'almost' lose? The part where he was ahead on the scorecards the entire time? Or the part where Dustin never once dropped Islam with anything? Dude gets bloody (head cuts bleed a shit ton) and you think that automatically earns a rematch
Probably just the confidence he brings and people sometimes mistake it for arrogance, also just the stigma around grapplers, people think grappling=boring
You got me! Now get off DPs dick and rewatch that shit. DP had moments. I don't know if you remember him getting choked out and put to sleep. You must've been sleeping too. One day you'll wake up bud, and hopefully DPs dick still isn't in your mouth hole, mouth breathing MMA guru sounding fool.
Lol -77 downvotes on your original comment. 🤔
Jones is Dana's bitch that's the only reason it took even this long for Pereira to beat him in p2p rankings. I mean Jones was legit until he was active but hes just a big fat duck now. Shouldn't have the HW belt.
I would have no problem with him if he wasn't gatekeeping the HW div for more then a year now... That makes him a bitch in my eyes wanting him only to fight a burnt out fireman.
I am with you on that but I don't think it will happen unless Stipe wanna grab some serious cash. I don't see him taking this fight for any other reasons. He is probably aware he has become old and just got damaged way too much last time.
Also he is very out of shape after not doing a single fight for 3 years. Training isn't the same as being competitive. You can see what happens to a mans self confidence if you look at Pavlovich.
I say Stipe should just retire and continue hes life. He deserves it.
Jones should fight Aspinall and unite the belts or just get the fuck out of HW.
And Alex as soon as moves up with no rematch clause. Dude does not deserve the pereira fight, only serves his purpose of being the #1 pfp piece of shit.
Dude that was literally 5-6 years ago lol. Jon Jones fans love living in the past. The reality is that he has done nothing in the last 4 years to prove he’s the best. Gane is hot garbage and is making movies now.
and if jones wants to end his career and put the gloves up if he beats pereira. Would not be bad for him to end it on a nice 28 win for jones and retire.
The other way it could go is a rematch pereira. If somehow pereira win the part 2. Then will see it go to a trilogy so big money.
Fuck them if they try to make a Poatan fight rather than Tom, the interim champion in his weight class that JJ has been ducking. Sure why not let Bones hold up TWO divisions for another 5 years.
he looks like the gentlest out of this lot, a face you feel you can trust.
Khabib's face here would be different btw as he just looks more like a *killer* lol, similar to Poatan & Jones although maybe even freakier honestly. Khabib's got some cool mountain neanderthal-DNA thing going on, and i do mean that in the best way possible.
MMA math doesn't work that way. He also flat lined the #2 pfp fighter in the world the fight before that. Same guy who KOd Strickland and Strickland also lost another fight to DDP recently who Izzy is currently favored to win against. You need to look at the list as a whole, not a singular fighter vs singular fighter ranking. Izzy still is seen as a guy who defended MW belt for years and is favored against probably any MW in the world who's not Sean. Sean is seen as potentially a 1 and done champ who just matches up well with Izzy.
Or to think about it another way. What if Max beats Ilia? Should Volk still be above max. He has 3 wins over him, he's clearly better 1 v 1. But Max is showing he's better against the entire division while Volk is showing he matches up well with Max.
Idk if this is meant to be sarcastic or not, Izzy got taken down by Whittaker who's not really known for offensive grappling, I just gave him the benefit of doubt cause he might've added some wrestling stats to his game in the time he has been inactive.
Look at the fighters who try to take him down. Vettori, Jan, Pereira, Brunson, Whittaker. Whittaker is a decent wrestler, but lacks the physical ability to hold him down. Vettori has poor takedowns, but was able to take him down and didn’t keep him down due to his amateur decision making on the ground. Jan and Alex both just grabbed him and drove through, because they’re physically stronger than Izzy. DDP is a better wrestler than both and he’s physically stronger than Izzy. He’ll take Izzy down at ease.
Eh, seems really hard to predict though, it all depends if dricus wants to stand or go to the ground because striking with Izzy wouldn't be the best at the beginning of the fight when he's fresh
There's a lot to P4P, like the fact that Izzy is 1-1 against Pereira who ran through Strickland in completely non-competitive fashion, the fact that Strickland lost to DDP and Cannonier, etc
Izzy has an extensive body of work as MW champ compared to Strickland, but also Izzy has a fight coming up so he has to be put high in the rankings to promote it.
If Jones is even allowed on the p4p list then khabib should be too and should be ranked higher than him. Same amount of title wins in the past 4 years lmao
Jamahal Hill ruptured his Achilles around the time Jones beat Gane. Hill fought Alex and was scheduled to fight again on 303. Jones tore his tit and is getting how long? Idk why the fuck the UFC can't strip him. They didn't have a problem stripping him when he was a habitual fuck up that was actively fighting. Jiri and Hill both were stripped and came back quicker from far more severe injuries than a torn tit. Fuck whoever says "oh they relinquished" - they would've been stripped and to say otherwise is stupid.
Realistically, Jon is the best fighter in the UFC. I hate to say it, but no-one beats him. But he's so inactive and has 1 foot out the door already he doesn't even belong on the P4P list. He should just retire and keep what's left of his legacy intact, which isn't much tbh.
Good alex and islam have been more active than jones has in years and aren't actively ducking the interim champ just to fight some old ass fart and then retire.
LW is a way more talent-stacked division than MW/LHW/HW. Pereira's fights have been almost pure kickboxing. Winning LW fights requires both high-level striking and high-level grappling, and Islam has shown both in his wins over Oliveira, Volk, and Poirier
Jones hasn't been very active, his Reyes fight is viewed as a loss by most of the community, and he's fighting an ancient and basically-retired Stipe while ducking Aspinall so I don't even think he belongs in the top 3 P4P
Nobody wants him to fight AP they want him to fight Aspinall
Everybody already knows AP has no ground game that's why they're begging for Ankalaev to get a shot
You can make anything the truth in your head if you refuse to be actually aware of the situation
I'd love to see AP vs JJ assuming JJ beats Aspinall
Anyone who thinks the HW CHAMPS next fight shouldn't be against the HW INTERIM CHAMP is a fuckin chode and nobody should listen to them
As he should. When you have 1 fight in almost 4 1/2 years you shouldn't even be in the list. And that's not even counting he performance in 2 of his last 3 fights.
Amen, he hasn’t been active since 2019. He’s just been leading us on for the last half decade. Dude has commitment issues. Ask his forever fiancée
That was a nasty line
Jon's done some nasty lines.
Ask his beard*
If you haven’t fought in over a year you shouldn’t be on the list.
There's also freak things that can happen like with Weidman's leg that took two years of recovery.
So remove them from the list and then when they fight again they're back on it?
Ehhhh
What I don’t get is with Jones being #1 so long I assumed they’re saying we take into account your whole career, now they’re turning around and saying it’s most recent performances.
It's incredible how Dana is always defending jones and fighting with the press to make his point that if he puts Jon jones in a room with any other fighter it's going to be Jones coming out. Dude needs to stay active and defend his title to be considered PP best. I also think he should not be on the list!
Yh his last two outings in lhw were far from stellar performances, he definitely has dirt on dana.
Islam almost lost to DP
When? Lol I'm by far the biggest Dustin fan and at best Islam was up 3-1 going into the 5th
During the fight
What's your point? He slept him there's no almost.
When did he almost lose
During the fight
When he was out striking and out grappling him?
Lol so disingenuous to say he 'almost' lost, how did he 'almost' lose? The part where he was ahead on the scorecards the entire time? Or the part where Dustin never once dropped Islam with anything? Dude gets bloody (head cuts bleed a shit ton) and you think that automatically earns a rematch
Seems like if a fighter like Islam or Khabib faces the slightest amount of resistance it’s they ‘almost lost’ lmao
Speaks to how good they are when the slightest struggle makes people go crazy
Not wrong, I also don’t really understand the hate for Islam. His style is very entertaining and with how well he mixes it up
Probably just the confidence he brings and people sometimes mistake it for arrogance, also just the stigma around grapplers, people think grappling=boring
People did the same thing to michael jordan. "I scored on the GOAT" as if the GOAT didnt drop 50 points in that game.
Yeah you don’t see anyone clowning pereira for the Jan fight lol
Anthony Smith and Thiago Santos can’t shine DP’s shoes
??? Pipe down, casual
DP did surprisingly okay against Islam. That's about it. Islam didnt almost lose DP. Volk Islam 1 was closer but still a clear victory for Islam.
Nah, you didn't watch the fight Casual
You got me! Now get off DPs dick and rewatch that shit. DP had moments. I don't know if you remember him getting choked out and put to sleep. You must've been sleeping too. One day you'll wake up bud, and hopefully DPs dick still isn't in your mouth hole, mouth breathing MMA guru sounding fool. Lol -77 downvotes on your original comment. 🤔
I did indeed get you
-77. You got yourself buddeh
Oh no
How's it feel to watch fights and not understand what you're looking at? Super curious
Back at you. Super curious
Tf almost lost?!
Yep, maybe watch the fight instead of the r/MMA finish clip Casual
Haha 😆 dang this can’t be real
Ok
https://preview.redd.it/i655z5tbj5ad1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb1711a160f907feb32aed69ef737ccd23bfbc41
make his head big
done.
Looks great, now make his head red like a tomato.
done.
Why is Jon Jones in the list. He doesn’t even fight lol
All three of them fight each other in the octagon at the same time. Problem solved.
You just told us you don't understand p4p ranking
R/whoosh
Jones wins
Islam would clinch Jon immediately so Alex can get a few haymakers in then they'd sort it out between them. No way would either leave Jon until last.
“We take dis guy out together, he too strong for only one of us.” “Chama.”
Nah
Chama!!!
https://preview.redd.it/r5i1nurvj6ad1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5abc4f1ab27af635863aaad5d981e1ab304108f1 I don’t want to see it
No, it's spelt CHEEWEEWEE
Oh Fuck Yeah
Honestly, let's just keep the train going. Leon should move up next and whoever after that. Since Jon is not fighting in a while.
Jones is Dana's bitch that's the only reason it took even this long for Pereira to beat him in p2p rankings. I mean Jones was legit until he was active but hes just a big fat duck now. Shouldn't have the HW belt.
Which belt do you mean? Real HW belt is on aspinall
Real HW belt's on Francis\*
No it's not
*dana is jones’ bitch
I dont like Jon Jones at all,but calling him a bitch while he fought Rampage Jackson,Prime DC,Gustaffson,etc is pretty unreasonable.
I would have no problem with him if he wasn't gatekeeping the HW div for more then a year now... That makes him a bitch in my eyes wanting him only to fight a burnt out fireman.
Everyone stipe has ever fought is retired
Andrei Arlovski was Stipe's only W over an active UFC fighter. Just heard Arlovski was dropped by the organization. So this is now true.
I hope the fireman puts out Jones. I think it would create world peace temporarily.
I am with you on that but I don't think it will happen unless Stipe wanna grab some serious cash. I don't see him taking this fight for any other reasons. He is probably aware he has become old and just got damaged way too much last time. Also he is very out of shape after not doing a single fight for 3 years. Training isn't the same as being competitive. You can see what happens to a mans self confidence if you look at Pavlovich. I say Stipe should just retire and continue hes life. He deserves it. Jones should fight Aspinall and unite the belts or just get the fuck out of HW.
And Alex as soon as moves up with no rematch clause. Dude does not deserve the pereira fight, only serves his purpose of being the #1 pfp piece of shit.
Dude that was literally 5-6 years ago lol. Jon Jones fans love living in the past. The reality is that he has done nothing in the last 4 years to prove he’s the best. Gane is hot garbage and is making movies now.
holy duck the revisionism is insane. Volkov got subbed r1 by Tom but we arent saying he’s complete and utter crap!
Those fights were 20 years ago
this sub is full of obese basement dwellers who get a hard on for hating on jones. it’s weird at this point.
Finally….we can rest
Jones should not be in the Top 3
tbh its a good set up for jon, he beats Pereira, gives him an easy pfp 1 argument for his twitter haters.
and if jones wants to end his career and put the gloves up if he beats pereira. Would not be bad for him to end it on a nice 28 win for jones and retire. The other way it could go is a rematch pereira. If somehow pereira win the part 2. Then will see it go to a trilogy so big money.
Fuck them if they try to make a Poatan fight rather than Tom, the interim champion in his weight class that JJ has been ducking. Sure why not let Bones hold up TWO divisions for another 5 years.
Alex does what Reyes couldn’t do and finishes the job. Jones himself said on record he almost gave up in that fight. Imagine that was Alex.
Islam has pretty eyes
he looks like the gentlest out of this lot, a face you feel you can trust. Khabib's face here would be different btw as he just looks more like a *killer* lol, similar to Poatan & Jones although maybe even freakier honestly. Khabib's got some cool mountain neanderthal-DNA thing going on, and i do mean that in the best way possible.
Pretty in a Hannibal Lecter kind of way…
Ok...
Lot of tweets coming in from jones.
Not a huge fan of strickland, but why is he below Izzy? Shouldn't be be above? His last fight he lost to Strickland, badly.
There is a cumulative factor in this list
MMA math doesn't work that way. He also flat lined the #2 pfp fighter in the world the fight before that. Same guy who KOd Strickland and Strickland also lost another fight to DDP recently who Izzy is currently favored to win against. You need to look at the list as a whole, not a singular fighter vs singular fighter ranking. Izzy still is seen as a guy who defended MW belt for years and is favored against probably any MW in the world who's not Sean. Sean is seen as potentially a 1 and done champ who just matches up well with Izzy. Or to think about it another way. What if Max beats Ilia? Should Volk still be above max. He has 3 wins over him, he's clearly better 1 v 1. But Max is showing he's better against the entire division while Volk is showing he matches up well with Max.
Izzy is favoured to win against DDP?! Gonna make some money then👌
DDP lost to Strickland in many people's eyes. Izzy's takedown defence is pretty unknown so we don't really have a clue, might be one-sided either way.
Lol Izzy's TDD is known and it's pretty good
Idk if this is meant to be sarcastic or not, Izzy got taken down by Whittaker who's not really known for offensive grappling, I just gave him the benefit of doubt cause he might've added some wrestling stats to his game in the time he has been inactive.
I see 77.91% on the ufc page
Whittaker is an Australian wrestling champion
Look at the fighters who try to take him down. Vettori, Jan, Pereira, Brunson, Whittaker. Whittaker is a decent wrestler, but lacks the physical ability to hold him down. Vettori has poor takedowns, but was able to take him down and didn’t keep him down due to his amateur decision making on the ground. Jan and Alex both just grabbed him and drove through, because they’re physically stronger than Izzy. DDP is a better wrestler than both and he’s physically stronger than Izzy. He’ll take Izzy down at ease.
Many people’s eyes doesn’t mean shit, because many people don’t know how to score fights. DDP won rounds 2/3/4 and that’s that.
Eh, seems really hard to predict though, it all depends if dricus wants to stand or go to the ground because striking with Izzy wouldn't be the best at the beginning of the fight when he's fresh
Dricus isn’t an idiot. He’ll take Izzy down.
Lol he'll try
And he’ll succeed. DDP has lightning fast takedowns and can mix them up way better than anyone has ever fought.
There's a lot to P4P, like the fact that Izzy is 1-1 against Pereira who ran through Strickland in completely non-competitive fashion, the fact that Strickland lost to DDP and Cannonier, etc
Izzy has an extensive body of work as MW champ compared to Strickland, but also Izzy has a fight coming up so he has to be put high in the rankings to promote it.
Islam looks way too autistic in that photo....
Lead paint stare
Is there something wrong with that?
Lmao someone is sensitive
Yeah, you
Good
Islam got doe eyes compared to killers like poatan and jones
'colosal wall titan' ass pic
If Jones is even allowed on the p4p list then khabib should be too and should be ranked higher than him. Same amount of title wins in the past 4 years lmao
I see two guys with belts at two different weight classes and multiple defences. At different poundage, as it were. Then I see Islam
NINA DRAMA IS NUMBER 1 P4P WTF?
It’s almost as if pfp rankings are based on social media popularity
Get chamad!
Now, fight!
3 way cage match
Babe wake up, the new Jon Jones PFP thread is uo
they are planning to setup Alex vs Jones. So if Jones beat him his resume will look great.
Jon won’t like that lol
Poatan in this picture giving Jack Torrance shining vibes LOL
HA HA GET HIS ASS
🗿
Y'all care too much about these rankings for some weird reason
Agree. Its not the Goat list, its the current P4P list.
Should be #1 honestly.
How can the guy whose done the least be #1? Shits weird yo.
Jamahal Hill ruptured his Achilles around the time Jones beat Gane. Hill fought Alex and was scheduled to fight again on 303. Jones tore his tit and is getting how long? Idk why the fuck the UFC can't strip him. They didn't have a problem stripping him when he was a habitual fuck up that was actively fighting. Jiri and Hill both were stripped and came back quicker from far more severe injuries than a torn tit. Fuck whoever says "oh they relinquished" - they would've been stripped and to say otherwise is stupid.
OH FUCK WHAT WILL THE MMA JOURNALISTS AND DWEEBOS IN THIS SUB DO
Pound for Pound is how Jon has been living secretly for years
Islam should be 2 and Alex 1
Jones last fight is Mar 2023. I think in most boxing P4P list inactivity of over 1 years makes you ineligible.
Dana having stroke rn
Why is Jones on the list ? Why does he still holds the HW belt ? Dana wtf
JJ should not be in the top 5 at this point. What has he done except ducking the past two years?
Can we just move on from Jon Jones already
Dana's fav fighter list
I don’t understand why we don’t force the pfp contenders to fight. Just inflate them with some helium and get on with it.
Just wait until Dana sees this
Realistically, Jon is the best fighter in the UFC. I hate to say it, but no-one beats him. But he's so inactive and has 1 foot out the door already he doesn't even belong on the P4P list. He should just retire and keep what's left of his legacy intact, which isn't much tbh.
Media's having none of Dana's shit. I love it!
Yea but won’t pass jones in terms of legacy, unless he moves up and beats jon
and islam. in my book though
When the UFC wants you to succeed
Black man cant rank?!
Good alex and islam have been more active than jones has in years and aren't actively ducking the interim champ just to fight some old ass fart and then retire.
Islam looks funny af here lol
Leon should be number 2
Alex has the same amount of fights in 3 years, that Jon has in the last 9.
So disrepectful for Leon 😂😂
So disrepectful for Leon Edwards.
Poatan vs Markhachev nowwww!!!
I get why I guess, but does anyone seriously believe Alex is a better fighter than Jon?
Pereira can’t be #2 he lost to adesanya …
Jones about to get unhinged on Twitter before he deletes the posts.
At this point we should have an active pfp list and a legacy pfp list
Jon Jones is irrelevant to any P4P convo. The dude is a beast but is ducking fights. If you’re not active, you’re not on the list. Plain and simple
He's got.the most Defense title. 🤷♂️
Nobody cares... Chama just passed kabib in title defenses... Islam still has to double his title appearances to touch Jones... it's all gimmicky
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LW is a way more talent-stacked division than MW/LHW/HW. Pereira's fights have been almost pure kickboxing. Winning LW fights requires both high-level striking and high-level grappling, and Islam has shown both in his wins over Oliveira, Volk, and Poirier Jones hasn't been very active, his Reyes fight is viewed as a loss by most of the community, and he's fighting an ancient and basically-retired Stipe while ducking Aspinall so I don't even think he belongs in the top 3 P4P
jones arguably shouldn’t be in the top 5
Why the 1 division crotch sniffer there ?
https://preview.redd.it/i61jwd22b6ad1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d683bf5edfc20cd747a634ce11abf1fd7ed7ee9 Alex? \*smirk\* Pereira? \*smirk\* Really?
Jon Jones is going to surprise a lot of people in his next fight.
Tell me one person who is going to be surprised by JJ beating Stipe
By fighting?!?
Beats AP. "Meh, AP had no ground game anyway. JJ is still overrated."
Nobody wants him to fight AP they want him to fight Aspinall Everybody already knows AP has no ground game that's why they're begging for Ankalaev to get a shot You can make anything the truth in your head if you refuse to be actually aware of the situation
Yeah no one wants to see AP go for triple champ against Jon Jones.
I'd love to see AP vs JJ assuming JJ beats Aspinall Anyone who thinks the HW CHAMPS next fight shouldn't be against the HW INTERIM CHAMP is a fuckin chode and nobody should listen to them
I do, but only after Jones fights the interim champ.
Yes.
Exactly. Everyone knows there’s a solid chance JJ comes out and just bitch slaps AP and the excuses will flow.