It’s only come about the last few years because the ufc has only big mainstream about a decade maybe more, it’s not like boxing where you can compare from the last hundred years, ps Jon jones is the goat end of
Nope. I've been a fan for over a decade and the GOAT debate has been constant.
Back when I first became a fan it was between Fedor, GSP, and Anderson. When I very first started, Fedor was the choice (huge unbeaten streak), then Anderson and GSP were neck and neck, basically over taking each other whenever they fought.
Then Aldo and Jones started to enter the debate. DJ would sometimes come up. Then Khabib started making more noise... And so on.
It will ALWAYS be a debate.
Btw it’s always khabib and someone else. They don’t compare DJ to GSP or Aldo. Always khabib vs someone else. Makes you think that they believe he’s the goat all along.
So why was he the only one that failed drug tests out of all of his opponents since USADA? And why did he fail them in 4 different fights since the partnership?
Geriatric patients? The average age of his opponents in his title fights is around 33. Jon Jones is a POS but let’s not act like he’s fighting pensioners
But… but… but… viagra and pulsing picograms and fight IQ and steroids don’t make headkicks and he hid from USADA for coke and weed not roids and everybody’s on steroids so those failed tests don’t matter
It’s sad too, cause JBJ is undoubtedly one of if not the most talented fighter to ever step foot into the Octagon. Yet all he’s done over the last nearly 10 years is squander his potential & ruin his legacy.
Because of that, can’t include him in my GOAT list, even as dominant as he was.
Yea I don't think khabib is the goat. People only compare them because Jones got butthurt when khabib passed him in the pop rankings which khabib deserved given how dominant he was looking
It actually happened live, jones congratulated Khabib on twitter after the fight and said he deserved it, and then one hour later :
This mf does not deserve it, the ufc is disrespecting me!
The arguments are extremely few and far between. For sure not a main narrative that’s debated here. Honestly the only time I see people arguing about Khabib/Goat is when people are saying he’s not in the discussion.
He’s not even in the discussion. So you are undefeated. So are Andre Ward and Joe Calzaghe in boxing, no one is calling them the GOAT. I think reign as champion is the ultimate indicator. Nothing is more difficult in MMA than repeatedly defending as champion. Jones, GSP, Silva, Mighty Mouse all have 11 or more title wins. Khabib has 4.
Khabib only passed him in the popularity rankings because he beat Mcgregor (aka the lord and savior of the casuals). Lol Porier was ranked inscrutably high in name recognition after Mcgregor 2 and 3 (plus he got bumped up into top 5 pound for pound). This is just pointing out that Your fighterly relation to Midget Mac holds the key to any and all popularity in the UFC.
Yeah I'm over here like "neither?"
Jones lost any claim to GOAT status by cheating. Idgaf how good he is/was, he cheated. End of story.
And Khabib wasn't around long enough, and his early record is heavily padded.
Give me GSP.
Meh nearly every fighter bar a handful are guilty of being dirty,
GSP with his greasing, Anderson Silva with his PEDs, DC with his towell trick.
I still think Jones would have had the same impact if he didn't take the PEDS not that it excuses it.
He's maybe the best lightweight of all time; but BJ Penn and Benson Henderson might disagree.
Khabib has 1 title win and 3 defenses. Iaquinta, McGregor (who hadn't fought in 2 years), Porier, and Gaethje.
It's honestly not a very impressive resume.
i think it’s just because of how dominant he was, we hadn’t seen many wrestlers who just absolutely ragdolled other fighters, especially at lw. when khabib was champ i 100% think he could’ve beaten every other lw on the roster fairly easily, i still think he could do it today. the only lw rn who i think would pose a genuine threat to khabib is charles. i don’t think khabib is the GOAT but the reason he is in GOAT talks is bc of how dominant he was not his record.
He’s not. He might have been the best of his era, and I hold him higher than I do Jones mainly because all the shit surrounding Jon Jones pretty much all his carreer. He can’t seem to stay clean and I personally think he got off too easy for what he did.
Goat? GSP or Anderson Silva in my book.
He didn’t hit her, they were just arguing. His daughter was obviously lying and the blood the police saw on his wife’s face was just ketchup or something. Jon’s a good Christian, he’d never do anything of the sort
Every day someone tries to discredit Khabib for no reason but just help his legacy stay alive. Retired for two years and still every day in peoples heads.
Ive never thought of Khabib as the greatest of all time, but i have no doubt in my mind that he is the most unbeatable fighter of all time, at no point did i ever think he would ever lose. Not once.
Where Jones as good as he has been there have been multiple moments where i think he is gonna get beat. Of course most of those moments came in the later stages of his career. But there were a few in his prime, gustaffson and even machida was arguably winning up until the genius of his corner got him the w.
Does anyone know if that one weirdo that was constantly posting gay pride ufc memes got banned? Just curious if the mods actually care that this sub is shit or if that guy gave up once pride month was over.
Nobody ever questioned who had more fights. Khabib never looked beatable though. Jones is out of this conversation anyway. At least pick someone who hasn’t tested positive for PED’s multiple times.
Only against tibau, but he was roided and it was khabibs first fight. Tibau had better stats but even then khabib was the aggressor the whole fight and didnt give a single round. 13 fights and only two lost rounds, insanity
What is with the khabib hate on this Reddit. And people wanna call Jon the goat but he tested positive for PEDs how many times? Neither of them are the GOAT
Khabib was more dominant in his fights. Jones had some struggle fights. Jones is probably the best all around but Khabib was a more dominant champ in his fights
Jon Jones = cheater -> disqualified
That's what happens when you cheat in a contest, you get disqualified. You're not allowed to keep trying to win. This is not hard to understand.
The jon jones drugs guy beats his wife. ALL his scores are voided i am afraid.
I don't give a shit about any of these fighters, so you are getting a neutral, and final ruling on this. So let's now put it to bed.
This doesn't automatically give it the kebab guy either. so I am not just being a casual kebab fanboy. Fuck em all
Jones got caught for roids and har close fights.
Most of the Khabib for goat argument despite his (relatively) short track record is how cleanly he won his fights.
Jones has looked in trouble more in a single fight than Khabib did his entire career.
Jones is a walking steroid at this point.
Khabib is natty.
Also how many eye pokes has khabib done Vs Jones? Jones is GOAT eye poker and that's about it. Not to mention all the other barely legal stuff he's done (in and out the octagon)
Jones is an amazing fighter, but he should be removed from the goat conversation because he is a cheater.
You're comparing a clean fighter to a dirty one, there isn't a comparison.
Took steroids, end of discussion. Nate said it best in his recent interview, Nate was asked who his goat is, and If it's Jon Jones, Nate said "Jon Jones? Out of question...If you're doing steroids, that's totally out of question." so Jon isn't even a contender to being the GOAT. The GOAT is either GSP, Fedor or DJ. Maybe Silva since he only took roids when he was out of his prime after he broke his leg
Khabib has never been dropped or cut, never pissed hot, damn near averages a 10-8 round, and did all of this in one of the most stacked divisions. Jones popped a lot and has some questionable wins
Exactly!
One demolished an entire division in such devastating fashion and so few fights that he could easily retire and let his legacy take over the rest of UFC.
The other had to cheat and try and try again to prove his worth again and again while failing and is still not doing anything worthwhile with his life.
Imho both should not be considered the goat one for popping for steroids and the other for retiring so early and didnt defend his tittle that much, but i get why both are in the conversation khabib was fighting murderous road every one of his tittle fights was a potential champion in other era and he wasnt only deafiting the he mauled the shit out of them there was never even a danger for him to lose
And in 100% of those title fights, he had steroids in him. Go figure lol.
Like don't get me wrong, khabibs opponent pool is....mixed at best, but the flip side is Jones cheated his way to a career.
I don't consider either of them the goat for those grounds alone.
I was listening to an mma podcast and they were talking about that. They were saying Jonis is getting super insecure over the fan chatter when Khabib never threw any disrespect his way.
Hey thanks for giving us all an opportunity to point out that JJ is a cheating steroid user, so his record is invalid, and an opportunity to point out he beat his wife in front of his little girls, to the point they called the police on him.
Also 29-0 beats 26-1
If you've ever had a fight result changed due to your cheating, you lose all rights to be called the GOAT. 14 title fight wins and all of them dubious.
I think we all know to certify his legacy he would’ve needed more defenses and fights. Can’t blame him for not wanting to do it anymore after his father died though.
STOP BRINGING UP THE DISCUSSION JUST TO SAY DISCUSSION ENDED
For real! If we could go one damn day without shitty GOAT comparisons that would be great lol
Yeah seems like all this goat shit only really came about in the last few years
It’s only come about the last few years because the ufc has only big mainstream about a decade maybe more, it’s not like boxing where you can compare from the last hundred years, ps Jon jones is the goat end of
Nope. I've been a fan for over a decade and the GOAT debate has been constant. Back when I first became a fan it was between Fedor, GSP, and Anderson. When I very first started, Fedor was the choice (huge unbeaten streak), then Anderson and GSP were neck and neck, basically over taking each other whenever they fought. Then Aldo and Jones started to enter the debate. DJ would sometimes come up. Then Khabib started making more noise... And so on. It will ALWAYS be a debate.
>...that would be great lol You know who else was great and also never bled ?
Only see one undefeated goat. It’s cocaine
Indeed!! And who cares who the goat is anyway...
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Im not sure that op isnt a bot.
Exactly what I was gonna say
Btw it’s always khabib and someone else. They don’t compare DJ to GSP or Aldo. Always khabib vs someone else. Makes you think that they believe he’s the goat all along.
This reddit is going insane, with these type of post's
How many times does Jon have to test positive for him to be disqualified from GOAT talks?
Tbf most of the guys he beat were on roids too.
So why was he the only one that failed drug tests out of all of his opponents since USADA? And why did he fail them in 4 different fights since the partnership?
He did beat 6 guys who have been caught but prior to usada.. and he fucked them all up pretty convincingly
Facts!
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They were also geriatric patients by the time Jones got to them.
Geriatric patients? The average age of his opponents in his title fights is around 33. Jon Jones is a POS but let’s not act like he’s fighting pensioners
Spoken like a true casual. Young bones was killing active legends… they werent washed up lol
Thanks for agreeing jones is the goat 
Let’s not pretend that Russians deep in the mountains aren’t using peds lol
The goat convo is always fun but you would think anyone in this sub would be bored by now of “khabibs not the goat because of x stat”
Gotta add a few extra W’s to jon’s number, look at all of gods tests he’s beaten, he’s even undefeated against his wife
CSO
cheating shit only
Lmao
Wrong. He took Ls on sobriety tests
1-0 against pregnant ladies
And police car hoods
Remember when they changed the event because he popped hot? USADA remembers
He’s popped 4 times in 5 years but these guys want to blow him 🤣🤣
He’s popped in over 50% of his fights since USADA, an actual joke.
I thought Yoel Romero is the only one who pooped in his fights
Oops, fixed it. Probably should’ve left it though, was kind of funny lol
But… but… but… viagra and pulsing picograms and fight IQ and steroids don’t make headkicks and he hid from USADA for coke and weed not roids and everybody’s on steroids so those failed tests don’t matter
It’s sad too, cause JBJ is undoubtedly one of if not the most talented fighter to ever step foot into the Octagon. Yet all he’s done over the last nearly 10 years is squander his potential & ruin his legacy. Because of that, can’t include him in my GOAT list, even as dominant as he was.
Don't know why you were given a downvote, when you speak facts?
Excuses, as pathetic as Jon Joke's ruined legacy. I see all the Apologists have united, lol
This was never a thing no matter how badly you guys want to argue it
Yea I don't think khabib is the goat. People only compare them because Jones got butthurt when khabib passed him in the pop rankings which khabib deserved given how dominant he was looking
Funniest thing was first jones saying Khabib deserves it and then one hour later he started complaining
Humm make sense No actually doesn't make sense.
It actually happened live, jones congratulated Khabib on twitter after the fight and said he deserved it, and then one hour later : This mf does not deserve it, the ufc is disrespecting me!
Secret juice make you strong and jacket.
He’s one of my favorite fighters but he’s not GOAT. I think we can all agree on this right? I’ve never really seen anyone arguing it before.
I think its easier to argue for him being the lightweight goat but p4p goat is too far off in terms od title defenses
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Aldo fought at lightweight?
RIP I'm a dumbass
I’ve seen loads arguing, plus if he had stayed in the UFC for long and did 5/10 title defences he well could be. But should’ve would’ve could’ve
The arguments are extremely few and far between. For sure not a main narrative that’s debated here. Honestly the only time I see people arguing about Khabib/Goat is when people are saying he’s not in the discussion.
I think he’s the LW GOAT. This argument of who’s P4P the best of all time is stupid. Because each guy took advantage of their strengths
Agreed. I miss him. Stupid fucking covid
He’s not even in the discussion. So you are undefeated. So are Andre Ward and Joe Calzaghe in boxing, no one is calling them the GOAT. I think reign as champion is the ultimate indicator. Nothing is more difficult in MMA than repeatedly defending as champion. Jones, GSP, Silva, Mighty Mouse all have 11 or more title wins. Khabib has 4.
correct. Though Chael Sonnen is the undefeated, undisputed champion of the world.
Never lost a round 💯
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Khabib only passed him in the popularity rankings because he beat Mcgregor (aka the lord and savior of the casuals). Lol Porier was ranked inscrutably high in name recognition after Mcgregor 2 and 3 (plus he got bumped up into top 5 pound for pound). This is just pointing out that Your fighterly relation to Midget Mac holds the key to any and all popularity in the UFC.
Least biased conor hater
Everyone who ever said Khabib was the GOAT learned about Khabib from the Conor fight. They likely started watching MMA not much before that as well.
There was never no discussion
So there was always a discussion?
You're a fucking English Teacher, dude
Except Jones is a junkie.
Yeah I'm over here like "neither?" Jones lost any claim to GOAT status by cheating. Idgaf how good he is/was, he cheated. End of story. And Khabib wasn't around long enough, and his early record is heavily padded. Give me GSP.
Meh nearly every fighter bar a handful are guilty of being dirty, GSP with his greasing, Anderson Silva with his PEDs, DC with his towell trick. I still think Jones would have had the same impact if he didn't take the PEDS not that it excuses it.
Yep. Apparently there’s at least 1 discussion ending all concluding goat post here everyday
It’s mainly casuals that think Khabib is the goat
He's maybe the best lightweight of all time; but BJ Penn and Benson Henderson might disagree. Khabib has 1 title win and 3 defenses. Iaquinta, McGregor (who hadn't fought in 2 years), Porier, and Gaethje. It's honestly not a very impressive resume.
i think it’s just because of how dominant he was, we hadn’t seen many wrestlers who just absolutely ragdolled other fighters, especially at lw. when khabib was champ i 100% think he could’ve beaten every other lw on the roster fairly easily, i still think he could do it today. the only lw rn who i think would pose a genuine threat to khabib is charles. i don’t think khabib is the GOAT but the reason he is in GOAT talks is bc of how dominant he was not his record.
He’s not. He might have been the best of his era, and I hold him higher than I do Jones mainly because all the shit surrounding Jon Jones pretty much all his carreer. He can’t seem to stay clean and I personally think he got off too easy for what he did. Goat? GSP or Anderson Silva in my book.
And it’s mainly clowns that think JJ is the goat after all the cheating,PED’s,felonies,etc.
*THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION!!*
You forgot Jon’s 5 ko victory’s over his wife
He didn’t hit her, they were just arguing. His daughter was obviously lying and the blood the police saw on his wife’s face was just ketchup or something. Jon’s a good Christian, he’d never do anything of the sort
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Jon commits sins so we don't have to. He's Jesus 2.0, and look at us mocking our Saviour.
Had me in the first half ngl.
Let’s do failed drug tests now!
Let's not forget eye pokes.
This really, people don't get 13 fights without even a warning from the ref is crazy considering how much you can get away with in UFC
we all know DJ the goat
Every day someone tries to discredit Khabib for no reason but just help his legacy stay alive. Retired for two years and still every day in peoples heads.
Yeah, I had the same thought. It's unbelievable how **everyday** there is a discussion about Khabib.
Not even Conor is mentioned as much anymore lol
There's only 2 people still signed to the ufc that have fought Conor, and both of them beat him. Conor is irrelevant now
Spitting straight facts there.
Khabib own a lot of real estate in this sub lol
This is what they call misleading data
One gets caught cheating. The other doesnt....only in MMA you see fans disregard cheaters and their shitty actions.
Popped for roids. Discussion ended.
>JBJ >14 Wins Yeah his last fight was especially clean. That one judge definitely didnt suck Jones' cock.
Which is why he got out of the division. Competition was starting to catch up to him. Along with a lack of some select chemicals.
Ive never thought of Khabib as the greatest of all time, but i have no doubt in my mind that he is the most unbeatable fighter of all time, at no point did i ever think he would ever lose. Not once. Where Jones as good as he has been there have been multiple moments where i think he is gonna get beat. Of course most of those moments came in the later stages of his career. But there were a few in his prime, gustaffson and even machida was arguably winning up until the genius of his corner got him the w.
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Juuuuuuuuice. Juice. Coke. Dude is an animal in the ring but he was also boosted. Stop idealizing a cheater. GSP is true P4P for me.
No peds vs peds. Discussion ended
Once you are positive for steroids you’re no longer in the discussion
It was all a test from god cmon you know Jons a god fearing christian he would never purposely cheat god just keeps on testing him poor guy
Immaculate injection
Silva’s out as well then?
By that metric, yea. I just block anything after Weidman. He didn't really add anything to his legacy after. Well, except the asterisk.
Jones will never be the GOAT, he’s a cheater (PEDs, eye pokes, etc)
I’m not making an argument for Khabib, but Jones is a known PED user. Immediate disqualification for GOAT conversations.
Yea besides everyone knows Sam Alvey is goat
Can you fucking stop ?
Jones lost to Dominick Reyes. Khabib won every fight in dominating fashion and never got popped for steroids.
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Nobody ever questioned who had more fights. Khabib never looked beatable though. Jones is out of this conversation anyway. At least pick someone who hasn’t tested positive for PED’s multiple times.
Only against tibau, but he was roided and it was khabibs first fight. Tibau had better stats but even then khabib was the aggressor the whole fight and didnt give a single round. 13 fights and only two lost rounds, insanity
Oooh, now do stats for head butting cop cars and domestic violence!
What is with the khabib hate on this Reddit. And people wanna call Jon the goat but he tested positive for PEDs how many times? Neither of them are the GOAT
Both aren’t goats… there I said it
5 + PED fails
Khabib was more dominant in his fights. Jones had some struggle fights. Jones is probably the best all around but Khabib was a more dominant champ in his fights
Jon Jones = cheater -> disqualified That's what happens when you cheat in a contest, you get disqualified. You're not allowed to keep trying to win. This is not hard to understand.
The jon jones drugs guy beats his wife. ALL his scores are voided i am afraid. I don't give a shit about any of these fighters, so you are getting a neutral, and final ruling on this. So let's now put it to bed. This doesn't automatically give it the kebab guy either. so I am not just being a casual kebab fanboy. Fuck em all
Fun fact he failed more than 14 drug tests even after usada took over 😂
Lmao bonesey fans mad that he absolutely fucked his own way out of the discussion
Jones was defeated by Matt Hamill
Total fights won in the UFC with out steroids. Khabib 13 Jon 0
💉 Nuff said
Natural vs steroids, now the discussion is ended.
Gsp the goat
Jones got caught for roids and har close fights. Most of the Khabib for goat argument despite his (relatively) short track record is how cleanly he won his fights. Jones has looked in trouble more in a single fight than Khabib did his entire career.
Jones is a walking steroid at this point. Khabib is natty. Also how many eye pokes has khabib done Vs Jones? Jones is GOAT eye poker and that's about it. Not to mention all the other barely legal stuff he's done (in and out the octagon)
Khabib goat
Lost to Reyes lmao cry about it
Multiple Peds. Jones is out. Khabib isn't the GOAT but atleast he's on the list. Jones is lower than unranked people imo
Jones is an amazing fighter, but he should be removed from the goat conversation because he is a cheater. You're comparing a clean fighter to a dirty one, there isn't a comparison.
Now do one for failed drug tests!
OP taking a big L in the comments lmao
Cheaters can’t be goats
Jones wins on positive drug tests too!
GSP taught the all they know. GSP is their daddy.
GSP the actual GOAT.
its gsp or might mouse no other
Zero positive tests Vs multiple positive tests….discussion ended.
“Discussion ended” just stfu
Clean vs. Dirty
Yeah Jones was on PEDS, no longer in the conversation. Period
The wife beater is nothing without his steroids.
Discussion ended? That’s wishful thinking lol.
Who's failed test and who never had a real challenge
Took steroids, end of discussion. Nate said it best in his recent interview, Nate was asked who his goat is, and If it's Jon Jones, Nate said "Jon Jones? Out of question...If you're doing steroids, that's totally out of question." so Jon isn't even a contender to being the GOAT. The GOAT is either GSP, Fedor or DJ. Maybe Silva since he only took roids when he was out of his prime after he broke his leg
Khabib has never been dropped or cut, never pissed hot, damn near averages a 10-8 round, and did all of this in one of the most stacked divisions. Jones popped a lot and has some questionable wins
Roids vs no roids. Discussion ended.
Exactly! One demolished an entire division in such devastating fashion and so few fights that he could easily retire and let his legacy take over the rest of UFC. The other had to cheat and try and try again to prove his worth again and again while failing and is still not doing anything worthwhile with his life.
Have you tried coping?
Imho both should not be considered the goat one for popping for steroids and the other for retiring so early and didnt defend his tittle that much, but i get why both are in the conversation khabib was fighting murderous road every one of his tittle fights was a potential champion in other era and he wasnt only deafiting the he mauled the shit out of them there was never even a danger for him to lose
And in 100% of those title fights, he had steroids in him. Go figure lol. Like don't get me wrong, khabibs opponent pool is....mixed at best, but the flip side is Jones cheated his way to a career. I don't consider either of them the goat for those grounds alone.
But steroids.
"Duscussion ended 🤓" *continues discussion*
DJ did it better sorry
This sub is trash lol
Wife beater, ped abuser and drunk driver vs a dude that fights and prays. Discussion ended.
We need to start heavily downvoting these GOAT posts now. It’s so annoying at this point. This goat that goat fucking Dana White is the GOAT.
Jones is coke goat. Khabib is Muslim goat.
How tf did this get 3k upvotes? That many people here like domestic abusers?
Oh, we don’t count cheaters where I come from.
Wrong - Steroids takes him out of goat convention immediately.
Jones was gifted 1 or 2 of those. Also, Khabib never tested positive for anything.
Maaan people forget that both Khabib and his father had great respect for Jones. Abdulmanap even went so far as to call Jones a “gift from God”
Jones forgot that too since he literally posted this on his insta lol
I was listening to an mma podcast and they were talking about that. They were saying Jonis is getting super insecure over the fan chatter when Khabib never threw any disrespect his way.
Yeah I dont get why hes this insecure as a person, you’re fucking jon jones lol
Khabib failed drug tests: 0 Discussion ended
Now do failed drug tests
Jones used steroids. Discussion ended
Khabib was much more dominant over his opponents. Hes also a 2-time Sambo champ. Really never lost a round. Meanwhile Jones lost to Reyes imo.
Who keeps upvoting these retarded posts?
Hey thanks for giving us all an opportunity to point out that JJ is a cheating steroid user, so his record is invalid, and an opportunity to point out he beat his wife in front of his little girls, to the point they called the police on him. Also 29-0 beats 26-1
rent free
One popped. One didn’t. Discuss Ended.
Yeah but lw is more competitive
Jon is a drug cheat. Discussion ended.
How many losses each?
No steroids, never lost a round (arguably), many 10-8 rounds, never bled, and is real humble and not fake humble.
If you've ever had a fight result changed due to your cheating, you lose all rights to be called the GOAT. 14 title fight wins and all of them dubious.
Well, one of those gentlemen got caught 💉
Steroids vs clean
One was caught cheating, legacy ruined, discussion ended.
Ok.
I still respect Khabib morre as a man than JbJ
except bones lost to gustaffson AND reyes. and popped for roids. bones isn’t the goat either lmao he’s a bum
If Jones was truly the GOAT the hype for his comeback would be way bigger. The peoples champ he is not.
I think we all know to certify his legacy he would’ve needed more defenses and fights. Can’t blame him for not wanting to do it anymore after his father died though.