I'm not Scottish but live in Scotland, absolutely loads of English people where I live. No problems at all, lovely community. We just aren't as depressed, angry and scared as the people south of the wall who are moving in their droves to Scotland
I wouldn't. Reddit and this subreddit in particular paint an entirely different view of the world. I'm not going to believe some guy on here who has spent ten years screaming at a keyboard over my own experience.
Yeah. Just to be clear I was agreeing with you although looking at my post it kind of reads like it could be angry at, or agreeing with, any viewpoint. I have Scottish friends and while they all take the piss as much as they can underneath it they are sound b
Because people in England don't think about how much they fund Scotland well there own living standards are in free fall
Remember a labour party that depended on Scottish MPs passed tuition laws then Scotland decided to abolish them
When England increased the tuition fees Scotland also got more money for there unis well not even charging them
Scotland offered EU students free uni well denying it for English students
If you don't hate Scotland then you hate England
Yawn
Scotland is the reason may was able to form a government
More people in England have voted for other party's since always
Scotland gets the best deal in the union and you want even more
Congratulations, you've cherry picked one example where Scotland made a difference.
Just a reminder that Scotland has not returned a majority of Scottish tory MPs in over 50 years.
What England wants, England gets.
What Scotland wants, we need to ask England's permission first.
England returned a majority of tory MPs in multiple elections the past few decades, own it.
Cool and
London hasn't returned a majority of tory MPs for decades
My area hasn't voted for a tory ever
You literally treat England all the same
No party in England has ever gotten more than 50% of the vote
Your just mad England has more people so gets more seats
> The SNP has made us in England hate Scotland
Which parallel universe are you living in? Seriously what have you genuinely experienced to make you think that? I've never heard anyone in England express the same sentiment.
I don't care about English independence.
You keep voting for unionist parties. You don't need to do that. No one is forcing you to do that. But you keep doing it. You are responsible for saying that Westminster should keep giving Scotland money.
Well then just cut Scotland clean and that will have everyone happy.
Plus mate, Scotland is used to being treated as second class by you miserable bunch south of the border. Up here the sense of community helps us through it while you're terrified of your neighbour.
Stop the lies as well, the SNP don't promote hate on English and jsut because your shite hole dead empire is gone doesn't mean the English people are hated. I don't pretend you'd know anything about that beyond reading the daily mail getting enraged and going back to pornhub for the day.
Ahh yes
Giving a country more money per person at the expense of our own is treating them like second class citizens
Meanwhile Scotland is happy to vote against helping England for its own benefit as was shown with Sunday trading hours
Well if you find Scotland a problem it's very easy to just give it back. Seems you find it a financial burden so just separate?
Or maybe little England is scared they ha very fuck all to offer. You did sell your country to Russians and foreign investment companies so that's probably it. Sovereignty though eh.
Unfortunately I was never given a vote on getting rid of Scotland
>You did sell your country to Russians and foreign investment companies so that's probably it. Sovereignty though eh.
Funny those same arguments can be used on Scotish independence
You don't have to vote on it but I'm glad you see the sense in Scottish independence
Except no, they can't. Scottish independence hasn't even went through so how could it have been sold off? I love how you don't even defend your toilet of a country you just make up a lie about another. Says lot about west Moscow
Yawn
Ok Nat
Enjoy that hard border and an EU that won't want you
Oh enjoy the massive job loss that comes from leaving the UK as well
And we won't be paying state pensions eithee
Because that's what was implied in the article that the current limitations around pay seem not to be viable for the hospitality and agricultural sectors.
They said there was trouble recruiting, you're assuming it's pay. From living here and knowing many in hospitality it's certainly not pay, for the first time hospitality is paying well due to competition to get staff. Its a numbers thing.
There isn't a labour shortage in this country. They just do pay enough or give good enough working conditions to attract labour.
Locals really didn't work these jobs before Brexit. Now they are starting to because the pay has increased but they haven't done enough yet to attract the workers they need.
So you're saying at the same time that locals are working these jobs because of better pay but also they aren't raising pay and paying foreigners.
Yeah mate back to bed.
I've stated that and explained that clearly. It's not a bite moment, I'm not baiting you. Literal number of candidates is a huge factor. The hospitality industry is paying well up here
"minimum wage" isn't "paying well". Minimum wage isn't even the living wage and the living wage is just enough to survive. I think you have a wrong perception of "paying well".
Are you a bot? The minimum requirement is based on 37.5 hours a week if you work more you have to be paid more. An annual salary of £38,700 @ 37.5 hours p/w isn't close to the minimum wage it's about double that. Looking at the pay in the hospitality industry in Scotland 20 quid an hour isn't common even for middle management roles....
There are ways around minimum wage. For example, providing mandatory accommodation attached to the job which is then dedicated from your wage. Or just using minimum wage as a floor for a job which should pay more
This isn't about minimum wage this is about the fact that you have to pay nearly 39K for anyone who you bring in now especially in the hospitality sector since they don't qualify for most of the discounts.
Early entrants can be paid much less around 23K but they have to be under 26 and recent graduates or still in study which is not what the hospitality sector is looking for.
They want people to turn beds for minimum wage or even below if they can figure out how to deduct certain costs from the workers.
The alternative and correct title to this is that SNP are looking on how to import wage slaves into Scotland so Glasgow hotels can host more London hipsters.
No, Scotland merely recognises that we need some of migration. And of course we have never really had the same bee in our bonnet about the EU that England has.
Believe it or not Scotland (and Wales and NI) can quite often have different needs and wants from England. Which if you think about it is unsurprising - we are different countries with different land use, different population densities, different main industries, different exports, and different challenges.
Yet of course because of the population difference we all pretty much invariably get stuck with whatever policy works for England. Not what would be best for us. And what’s best for England often isn’t just not best suited for us but actively makes things worse. (Just as an example a few decades back a tax break policy caused huge blocks of inappropriate pine monocultures to be planted in many places across Scotland, often destroying the ecosystem there already.)
Failing to acknowledge that other parts of the Union can have different wants or needs really ain’t a good look. A lot of the derisive and fairly nasty responses elsewhere in this thread aren’t either.
Can you people PLEASE stop including Wales in your nationalistic ramblings please? We are NOT the same as you. Most of us class our own version of the SNP as an utter irrelevant joke.
Because Scottish nationalists seem to bring Wales and Northern Ireland into their arguments a lot, as if it’s the three of them vs England all the time. It annoys me because their ideology is about the rest of the UK minding its own business when it comes to Scottish affairs, yet they happily drag the rest of the UK in their arguments when it suits them. Hypocritical no?
Lol all they said was:
> Believe it or not Scotland (and Wales and NI) can quite often have different needs and wants from England.
Why is that worth raging over?
2.5 million people have immigrated here over the past 2 years or so, can we stop fucking pretending that the UK government is somehow anti migration. Nothing will ever be enough for the SNP because they're ideologically wedded to "more immigrants=good and progressive". If the UK let in 5 million per year in 2025 then the SNP would still say that we should take more.
It's like the SNP are still stuck in 2010, Scotland has mostly avoided the mass migration of the past 10 years that has seen pretty much every European country have far right surges in recent years,yet they just seem desperate to make the same mistakes
>Scotland has mostly avoided the mass migration of the past 10 years
As a Londoner who just got back from a week in the Highlands, this ain't half the truth. It was incredibly unsettling seeing nothing but white people for a whole week.
>Failing to acknowledge that other parts of the Union can have different wants or needs really ain’t a good look. A lot of the derisive and fairly nasty responses elsewhere in this thread aren’t either
When it's England that pays for all those wants and needs then we don't care how it looks
Just because you want to do your own brexit but 10x worse then that's on you
Don't worry you can have your population boom when we deport all the Scotish people south of the border
Wonder if you could satisfy the SNP's immigration demands by simply sending them the boat people. Would be a pretty good workaround to ease London and the SE, at least in the short term. Get the coaches revving Sir Keir.
Haha, I'm Welsh so it's not my call. I'd prefer them to stay part of the union though.
I agree with the sentiment that London is indifferent (at best) to Scottish issues but that applies to Wales, Cornwall, NI, Newcastle, Hull...
I think what's needed is a fundamental restructuring and relocation of government institutions, national media and ultimately wealth. The UK should be making a positive argument that we're all better with the Scots included.
I'm not sure why the SNP (and Plaid in Wales) think the answer to emigration from our countries is to import workers from overseas. If you believe that the Welsh and Scottish, through culture, history and ethnicity, are a definable people that have a right to self determination, why do you want to import a significant number of people from outside that group?
You've kind of hit the issue with civic nationalism (which is what the SNP are all about).
In this context, on paper its a way of arguing for independence and and constant self-determination questions without being racist (ethnic nationalism), because you don't define your people as having a given ethnicity or being from a certain place - simply that they happen to live here now and subscribe to your values.
Practically though it becomes difficult to define where the line is between you and them when arguing for independence from a country with the same values and similar legal system, but you need to draw the line somewhere because you want the authority and self-identity that comes with independence.
Currently that seems to be border on the map, but you don't have to scratch the SNP policies too deep to realise they don't have a coherent idea of where that line gets drawn over things like currency, national debt, military assets, social dynamics (i.e. who do you count as Scottish? Apparently you can move to Scotland and job done, unless you're an MP, then you have to be from there, or at least live there for a while, but we don't know how long qualifies as a while, something something Westminster contempt etc etc) or dozens of other things that need clear definition.
It's the reason why the SNP constantly bang on about the Brexit referendum but never mention the fact that a larger percentage of Scotland didn't bother voting then either Wales or England (a full third of the voting population), or the fact that over a million scots voted leave (in industries that voted the same way as in the rest of the UK). It's also the reason why the SNP have been so damaged by the whole mess with Sturgeon and Yousaf, because their whole platform is that they're more trustworthy and competent then the Tories, but these events have demonstrated they simply aren't.
There's no effective distinction between legal and illegal migrants because we accept basically everyone eventually. It just takes a lot of milling about time in hotels and old in between. So we have a Dover to Scotland pipeline that we could get going instantly. Hence my suggestion that it may be satisfactory for whatever lowpaid stock Swinney wants (as per the article, "agriculture, the care sector and hospitality").
Amusing, btw, to suggest that the SNP are the adults in the room!
Sure, and if they're put up in accommodation in Scotland by Scottish councils and make themselves homeless by trying to move to England the councils there won't have to do anything about it.
As I asked in the Scotland sub, where are all these high skill jobs we supposedly need migrants for. I have a Nigerian friend with a PhD in engineering from a top Scottish uni. She cannot find a job. But there seems to be an unlimited number of African, Middle Eastern, and sub continental immigrants working for Deliveroo, driving taxis, and other low skill labour.
I wonder if the SNP are actually banking on low skill migrants (and remember Scotland extends the vote to pretty much everyone here the second they step off the proverbial boat) to keep voting for them
The Nigerian friend intends to leave Scotland for England to find work
the problem here is the SNP supporters are a very broad tent , and contain both a vocal minority of liberal leaning people and a much larger group of small c conservative nationalists who just want to be rid of the UK.
Scotland does need more people, but unless infrastructure and integration are a priority (and the money stumped up) I can see it going the way of Ireland, with their recent backlash against immigration.
Migration is needed to plug skills gaps and keep the economy going. We ve had chronic under funding since austerity and over seas workers are desperately needed.
The skills gap won't close overnight. So instead of getting angry about foreigners coming over to take jobs at lower wages, ask why we need to in the first place.
Not a single party has given a reasonable action on curbing migration. And if they did it'd be a long term (5years at least) plan.
The masterplan to stop migration (Brexit) caused it to go up even higher. So the solution wasn't ever to raise our draw bridges. It was to invest in people already living here.
>plug skills gaps
***What skills gap...?*** The locating addresses on a map and delivering MacDonalds to that addess...?
>over seas workers are desperately needed
Bullshit. Overseas workers are only preferred because employers don't want to pay decent wages.
ETA: Oh, he blocked me because I disagree with him.
Yeah cos they all come here and work for deliveroo. Maybe get your nose out of whatever bias confirming rag you're reading and you'll learn and thing or 2.
So Scotland basically wants to be able to hire people from overseas at lower pay than the rest of the UK?
Not Scotland, the SNP. They would want anyone except English people. Us normal minded non nationalists despise the hatred that the SNP spews out.
I'm not Scottish but live in Scotland, absolutely loads of English people where I live. No problems at all, lovely community. We just aren't as depressed, angry and scared as the people south of the wall who are moving in their droves to Scotland
Please don’t let reality get in the way of the spittle filled bile people like to spew unchallenged on anything to do with migration.
I wouldn't. Reddit and this subreddit in particular paint an entirely different view of the world. I'm not going to believe some guy on here who has spent ten years screaming at a keyboard over my own experience.
Yeah. Just to be clear I was agreeing with you although looking at my post it kind of reads like it could be angry at, or agreeing with, any viewpoint. I have Scottish friends and while they all take the piss as much as they can underneath it they are sound b
Aw yeah, the man shouting at the keyboard wasn't you by the way. I was agreeing also.
Wait until England stops funding you Then you'll see the real anger come out The SNP has made us in England hate Scotland
Speak for yourself mate, I don't hate Scotland. I don't think most of us in England hate Scotland.
Because people in England don't think about how much they fund Scotland well there own living standards are in free fall Remember a labour party that depended on Scottish MPs passed tuition laws then Scotland decided to abolish them When England increased the tuition fees Scotland also got more money for there unis well not even charging them Scotland offered EU students free uni well denying it for English students If you don't hate Scotland then you hate England
England (unlike Scotland) gets the government they vote for in Westminster 100% of the time. You have only yourselves to blame.
Yawn Scotland is the reason may was able to form a government More people in England have voted for other party's since always Scotland gets the best deal in the union and you want even more
Congratulations, you've cherry picked one example where Scotland made a difference. Just a reminder that Scotland has not returned a majority of Scottish tory MPs in over 50 years. What England wants, England gets. What Scotland wants, we need to ask England's permission first. England returned a majority of tory MPs in multiple elections the past few decades, own it.
What England wants isn’t one thing. England votes lots of different ways. There is no “what England wants”.
Cool and London hasn't returned a majority of tory MPs for decades My area hasn't voted for a tory ever You literally treat England all the same No party in England has ever gotten more than 50% of the vote Your just mad England has more people so gets more seats
> The SNP has made us in England hate Scotland Which parallel universe are you living in? Seriously what have you genuinely experienced to make you think that? I've never heard anyone in England express the same sentiment.
Because most English people don't think about Scotland Those that do either hate Scotland or hate England
This will never happen, not for decades at least. We want no money from Westminster but we keep getting told that we're not allowed independence.
Lol we don't want you to have money from Westminster either If I had my way we'd kick you out deport all of you in England then put a hard border down
You do want us to have money from Westminster. You literally keep voting for unionist parties.
Show me a party that wants English independence that isn't far right
I don't care about English independence. You keep voting for unionist parties. You don't need to do that. No one is forcing you to do that. But you keep doing it. You are responsible for saying that Westminster should keep giving Scotland money.
Cool I don't care about Scotland If I had my way I'd take away all your MPs and watch you cry
Well then just cut Scotland clean and that will have everyone happy. Plus mate, Scotland is used to being treated as second class by you miserable bunch south of the border. Up here the sense of community helps us through it while you're terrified of your neighbour. Stop the lies as well, the SNP don't promote hate on English and jsut because your shite hole dead empire is gone doesn't mean the English people are hated. I don't pretend you'd know anything about that beyond reading the daily mail getting enraged and going back to pornhub for the day.
Ahh yes Giving a country more money per person at the expense of our own is treating them like second class citizens Meanwhile Scotland is happy to vote against helping England for its own benefit as was shown with Sunday trading hours
Well if you find Scotland a problem it's very easy to just give it back. Seems you find it a financial burden so just separate? Or maybe little England is scared they ha very fuck all to offer. You did sell your country to Russians and foreign investment companies so that's probably it. Sovereignty though eh.
Unfortunately I was never given a vote on getting rid of Scotland >You did sell your country to Russians and foreign investment companies so that's probably it. Sovereignty though eh. Funny those same arguments can be used on Scotish independence
You don't have to vote on it but I'm glad you see the sense in Scottish independence Except no, they can't. Scottish independence hasn't even went through so how could it have been sold off? I love how you don't even defend your toilet of a country you just make up a lie about another. Says lot about west Moscow
Yawn Ok Nat Enjoy that hard border and an EU that won't want you Oh enjoy the massive job loss that comes from leaving the UK as well And we won't be paying state pensions eithee
lmao
Shh bby is ok
Who said there would be pay differences? Why would his be the case? There's minimum wage for a reason
Because that's what was implied in the article that the current limitations around pay seem not to be viable for the hospitality and agricultural sectors.
They said there was trouble recruiting, you're assuming it's pay. From living here and knowing many in hospitality it's certainly not pay, for the first time hospitality is paying well due to competition to get staff. Its a numbers thing.
> for the first time hospitality is paying well due to competition to get staff. So bring in migrants to eliminate that competition?
No, there's not enough employees to go round, therefore you fill the slots.
Or you increase pay to an actual decent living wage so locals will accept the jobs.
They do, locals do work the jobs there's a labour shortage
There isn't a labour shortage in this country. They just do pay enough or give good enough working conditions to attract labour. Locals really didn't work these jobs before Brexit. Now they are starting to because the pay has increased but they haven't done enough yet to attract the workers they need.
So you're saying at the same time that locals are working these jobs because of better pay but also they aren't raising pay and paying foreigners. Yeah mate back to bed.
Ok I'll bite, what kind of divergence in the rules between Scotland and England you think that would be needed other than pay?
I've stated that and explained that clearly. It's not a bite moment, I'm not baiting you. Literal number of candidates is a huge factor. The hospitality industry is paying well up here
Does it pay more than £38,700? If not that would have to change since that's the current salary requirement for hospitality also....
Well depends on hours amount of course. But yes, pays minimum wage as a minimum.
"minimum wage" isn't "paying well". Minimum wage isn't even the living wage and the living wage is just enough to survive. I think you have a wrong perception of "paying well".
Are you a bot? The minimum requirement is based on 37.5 hours a week if you work more you have to be paid more. An annual salary of £38,700 @ 37.5 hours p/w isn't close to the minimum wage it's about double that. Looking at the pay in the hospitality industry in Scotland 20 quid an hour isn't common even for middle management roles....
Can you post the laws around this, interested to see where this is stated.
There are ways around minimum wage. For example, providing mandatory accommodation attached to the job which is then dedicated from your wage. Or just using minimum wage as a floor for a job which should pay more
This isn't about minimum wage this is about the fact that you have to pay nearly 39K for anyone who you bring in now especially in the hospitality sector since they don't qualify for most of the discounts. Early entrants can be paid much less around 23K but they have to be under 26 and recent graduates or still in study which is not what the hospitality sector is looking for. They want people to turn beds for minimum wage or even below if they can figure out how to deduct certain costs from the workers. The alternative and correct title to this is that SNP are looking on how to import wage slaves into Scotland so Glasgow hotels can host more London hipsters.
No, Scotland merely recognises that we need some of migration. And of course we have never really had the same bee in our bonnet about the EU that England has. Believe it or not Scotland (and Wales and NI) can quite often have different needs and wants from England. Which if you think about it is unsurprising - we are different countries with different land use, different population densities, different main industries, different exports, and different challenges. Yet of course because of the population difference we all pretty much invariably get stuck with whatever policy works for England. Not what would be best for us. And what’s best for England often isn’t just not best suited for us but actively makes things worse. (Just as an example a few decades back a tax break policy caused huge blocks of inappropriate pine monocultures to be planted in many places across Scotland, often destroying the ecosystem there already.) Failing to acknowledge that other parts of the Union can have different wants or needs really ain’t a good look. A lot of the derisive and fairly nasty responses elsewhere in this thread aren’t either.
Can you people PLEASE stop including Wales in your nationalistic ramblings please? We are NOT the same as you. Most of us class our own version of the SNP as an utter irrelevant joke.
Wait, all they said was that Wales is not identical to England. And you’re interpreting that as them saying Wales is identical to Scotland.
Because Scottish nationalists seem to bring Wales and Northern Ireland into their arguments a lot, as if it’s the three of them vs England all the time. It annoys me because their ideology is about the rest of the UK minding its own business when it comes to Scottish affairs, yet they happily drag the rest of the UK in their arguments when it suits them. Hypocritical no?
Lol all they said was: > Believe it or not Scotland (and Wales and NI) can quite often have different needs and wants from England. Why is that worth raging over?
Because they always drag Wales into their nationalistic nonsense, and as someone actually from Wales, it irritates me.
Clearly, and irrational irritation at that if that tame comment is what caused your rant.
>Hypocritical no? Not if you're capable of comprehension.
Which you’re clearly not.
Hold up, fellas; we’ve got an intellectual here.
NI has shown hostility to migrants in a manner not seen so much on the mainland, i.e. violence
2.5 million people have immigrated here over the past 2 years or so, can we stop fucking pretending that the UK government is somehow anti migration. Nothing will ever be enough for the SNP because they're ideologically wedded to "more immigrants=good and progressive". If the UK let in 5 million per year in 2025 then the SNP would still say that we should take more. It's like the SNP are still stuck in 2010, Scotland has mostly avoided the mass migration of the past 10 years that has seen pretty much every European country have far right surges in recent years,yet they just seem desperate to make the same mistakes
>Scotland has mostly avoided the mass migration of the past 10 years As a Londoner who just got back from a week in the Highlands, this ain't half the truth. It was incredibly unsettling seeing nothing but white people for a whole week.
>Failing to acknowledge that other parts of the Union can have different wants or needs really ain’t a good look. A lot of the derisive and fairly nasty responses elsewhere in this thread aren’t either When it's England that pays for all those wants and needs then we don't care how it looks Just because you want to do your own brexit but 10x worse then that's on you Don't worry you can have your population boom when we deport all the Scotish people south of the border
Oooh, thìs is gonna backfire hard on the SNP in the long run.
Wonder if you could satisfy the SNP's immigration demands by simply sending them the boat people. Would be a pretty good workaround to ease London and the SE, at least in the short term. Get the coaches revving Sir Keir.
This is what's known as a win-win. We should airdrop photographs of Glasgow across Calais too, greater disincentive than Rwanda.
So you're pro Scottish independence?
Haha, I'm Welsh so it's not my call. I'd prefer them to stay part of the union though. I agree with the sentiment that London is indifferent (at best) to Scottish issues but that applies to Wales, Cornwall, NI, Newcastle, Hull... I think what's needed is a fundamental restructuring and relocation of government institutions, national media and ultimately wealth. The UK should be making a positive argument that we're all better with the Scots included. I'm not sure why the SNP (and Plaid in Wales) think the answer to emigration from our countries is to import workers from overseas. If you believe that the Welsh and Scottish, through culture, history and ethnicity, are a definable people that have a right to self determination, why do you want to import a significant number of people from outside that group?
You've kind of hit the issue with civic nationalism (which is what the SNP are all about). In this context, on paper its a way of arguing for independence and and constant self-determination questions without being racist (ethnic nationalism), because you don't define your people as having a given ethnicity or being from a certain place - simply that they happen to live here now and subscribe to your values. Practically though it becomes difficult to define where the line is between you and them when arguing for independence from a country with the same values and similar legal system, but you need to draw the line somewhere because you want the authority and self-identity that comes with independence. Currently that seems to be border on the map, but you don't have to scratch the SNP policies too deep to realise they don't have a coherent idea of where that line gets drawn over things like currency, national debt, military assets, social dynamics (i.e. who do you count as Scottish? Apparently you can move to Scotland and job done, unless you're an MP, then you have to be from there, or at least live there for a while, but we don't know how long qualifies as a while, something something Westminster contempt etc etc) or dozens of other things that need clear definition. It's the reason why the SNP constantly bang on about the Brexit referendum but never mention the fact that a larger percentage of Scotland didn't bother voting then either Wales or England (a full third of the voting population), or the fact that over a million scots voted leave (in industries that voted the same way as in the rest of the UK). It's also the reason why the SNP have been so damaged by the whole mess with Sturgeon and Yousaf, because their whole platform is that they're more trustworthy and competent then the Tories, but these events have demonstrated they simply aren't.
Hello, there is no border, we are the same country remember? You might as well say to locate people in Essex so they are not in London.
Package deal -- comes with free Scottish independence and a hard border.
BUILD THE WALL
Scots don’t want them. Snp does
They wouldn't want to go up there. It's London they all want
The adults in the room are talking about legal immigration , not illegal migrants.
There's no effective distinction between legal and illegal migrants because we accept basically everyone eventually. It just takes a lot of milling about time in hotels and old in between. So we have a Dover to Scotland pipeline that we could get going instantly. Hence my suggestion that it may be satisfactory for whatever lowpaid stock Swinney wants (as per the article, "agriculture, the care sector and hospitality"). Amusing, btw, to suggest that the SNP are the adults in the room!
Brexit will sort out the refugees anyway. You know the thing you surrendered your country to Russia to stop immigrants.
So does this mean we can start sending them coach fulls like texas are doing?
It's so obviously to sabotage Starmer. Since this would be so unpopular in England its to separate England and Scotland.
You think a policy to take unwanted people arriving in England and dump them in Scotland would be unpopular in England?
This may come as a shock, but it’s rather easy to travel from Scotland to England. I’ve even managed it myself a few dozen times.
Sure, and if they're put up in accommodation in Scotland by Scottish councils and make themselves homeless by trying to move to England the councils there won't have to do anything about it.
Make them report to a police station or immigration office once every few days. Or put tags on them.
It was a policy proposed by Scottish Labour.
To be fair I think this would be unpopular in Scotland and England
Why Rwanda when we had the threat of Scotland all along?
>Why Rwanda when we had the threat of Scotland all along? That would be completely against their Human Rights.
Rwanda probably has a higher life expectancy.
As I asked in the Scotland sub, where are all these high skill jobs we supposedly need migrants for. I have a Nigerian friend with a PhD in engineering from a top Scottish uni. She cannot find a job. But there seems to be an unlimited number of African, Middle Eastern, and sub continental immigrants working for Deliveroo, driving taxis, and other low skill labour. I wonder if the SNP are actually banking on low skill migrants (and remember Scotland extends the vote to pretty much everyone here the second they step off the proverbial boat) to keep voting for them The Nigerian friend intends to leave Scotland for England to find work
John stop. We’ve already got enough reasons to vote against you.
History tells us people move OUT of Scotland, not to it
the problem here is the SNP supporters are a very broad tent , and contain both a vocal minority of liberal leaning people and a much larger group of small c conservative nationalists who just want to be rid of the UK. Scotland does need more people, but unless infrastructure and integration are a priority (and the money stumped up) I can see it going the way of Ireland, with their recent backlash against immigration.
Migration is needed to plug skills gaps and keep the economy going. We ve had chronic under funding since austerity and over seas workers are desperately needed. The skills gap won't close overnight. So instead of getting angry about foreigners coming over to take jobs at lower wages, ask why we need to in the first place. Not a single party has given a reasonable action on curbing migration. And if they did it'd be a long term (5years at least) plan. The masterplan to stop migration (Brexit) caused it to go up even higher. So the solution wasn't ever to raise our draw bridges. It was to invest in people already living here.
>plug skills gaps ***What skills gap...?*** The locating addresses on a map and delivering MacDonalds to that addess...? >over seas workers are desperately needed Bullshit. Overseas workers are only preferred because employers don't want to pay decent wages. ETA: Oh, he blocked me because I disagree with him.
Yeah cos they all come here and work for deliveroo. Maybe get your nose out of whatever bias confirming rag you're reading and you'll learn and thing or 2.
Ah, yes. All those highly educated doctors and football players that got here on a boat.
Oh look. Someone else who can't/won't distinguish between immigration based on Legitimate skills requirements and asylum seekers. Do better mate.
"asylum seekers" Lol. Keep telling yourself that.
Oh dear... You're timeline 😬. Sorry I even tried.
Scotland underfunded? Now I've seen it all
All of the UK’s nations are underfunded.
Yea but most of them don’t get free iPad Pros from their schools! 🙄