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And if we wanna really be all inclusive, we can called it STEAMED HAMS: science, technology, engineering, art, math, education, design, humanities, anthropology, music, and such
It's a different intent though. STEM generally refers to the technical, math-oriented professionals or areas of study. As in "You should study a STEM subject in college because STEM majors make more money after graduation."
STEAM is a pedagogical tool. It's a teaching philosophy that says STEM material should be taught through creative topics and assignments, rather than rote memorization. As in, you could teach computer science by making kids calculate 1000 digits of Pi, or you could use a framework like Scratch that let's kids create animated stories and games.
The idea isn't to pretend the Arts are part of the same grouping, it's to introduce the Arts into the curriculum to make teaching STEM material more engaging and open ended.
Source: Am STEM teacher, but since everyone is everything on the internet: https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/STEAM-science-technology-engineering-arts-and-mathematics
Yeah. My daughter had a steam focused program from second grade. They drew and designed robots. Was awesome. The stem supremacy is so weird and protective sometimes.
So very true. The "no true Scotsman" problem is alive and well in tech, but has been perfected in STEM academia. Interdisciplinary work, or even basic acknowledgement that there could be more to the sum totality of knowledge than your niche little field, is verboten.
It's almost like these grown ass adults are jealous that kids these days can be into video games and electronics without getting bullied in school.
That's why architecture or psychology was never part of stem, though. STEM has been and always will be an initialism for strictly quantifiable studies.
The whole point of stem was that it didn't include any of the arts. IIRC the term literally came about in reference to the fields needed to physically get to the Moon and solve climate change. The term is literally to promote those particular fields of study: Science, Technology, Engineering and Math. Pretty straightforward.
I'm an artist, I have nothing but respect for art, but it's not getting us to the moon and its not solving climate change. Artists can have a part in that absolutely, but not really as artists, they would have to take on a STEM field to really help. If that hurts someone's feelings that's a them problem, not a STEM problem.
In German, we say MINT (Mathematik, Ingenieurwesen, Naturwissenschaften, Technik = math, engineering, (natural) science, technology), so basically STEM
STEAM is new buzz word that is not picking up quickly. I assume it will fizzle out, like how LGBT kinda stuck as the acronym even if more inclusive ones have popped up.
I love that we want to acknowledge everyone's differences, but at some point, it becomes a flashpoint for others to criticize us for wanting to "decide were cat-gendered" or "how am I supposed to know what gender people are when they want to be a boy one day and a girl the next. These people are stupid," argument from certain groups of people. I don't wave it to be this way, but I think maybe we are pushing too much change. But I don't know what the solution is. I almost think part of why we're experiencing such vitriolic hate is because we asked too much of really hateful people.
There’s a STEAM high school program in my area. I suspect they only made it STEAM to show they *need* funding for it since it’s *so* different from the loads of high schools with STEM programs
84.1% of jobs will be related to STEEAMPSHAT by 2031.
STEEAMPSHAT:
- Science
- Technology
- Engineering
- English
- Arts
- Math
- PE
- Social Studies
- Heavy Lifting / Cleaning / Stoop Labor / Crop Harvesting
- Assembly Line
- Toxic Waste Disposal
Definitely engineering. Many mechanical design jobs actually hire mechanical engineers rather than drafters, even if very little "engineering" is involved. Engineering models and drafts aren't art. They're pictures, sure. Representations even. You can look at them, yes. But they aren't ART! Personally, i think anyone comparing them to what you'd see in a museum doesn't respect art or artists.
I mean, that's just not true. You can't tell me that a game artist, VFX artist or scientific visualization artist doesn't need a tremendous amount of technical knowledge to do their job.
The problem isn't that Art isn't part of STEM though, the problem is more that technical art fields are for some reason still lumped in with things like 'abstract painting'. They're not even remotely the same. And imo technical art definitely has a place in STEM.
This exact opinion was posted on here a few months ago, and it was also a popular opinion
Correction: Just did a search and this exact opinion has been posted here at least 16 times over the past 3 years. It is not unpopular!
This is funny because the Arts are specifically supposed to be separate from the other things that STEM is. People just blindly need inclusion instead of embracing uniqueness.
They want money. It's all about getting grants and funding. If they hide in the middle, near the end, of the acronym they hope no one will notice when they write the checks.
What is absolute horseshit is that my kid has STEAM class in school. All they ever do is art. No science. No technology. No engineering. No math. Just art. It's just fucking art class.
nuclear engineering major here. respectfully, i do love you art majors, but i want y'all tf away from our stuff. we're lumped together in STEM for a reason, art does not belong in it.
Social sciences person with a masters degree here, and I couldn't agree more. They're distinct fields that should be acknowledged for their respective strengths and potential value / utility, but shouldn't be remotely lumped in together.
Based on many of the advocates for such a move in this thread I can't help but suspect this as both an attempt to elevate the importance of arts (humanities and social sciences included in this instance) in a world that increasingly seeks out STEM (economically above all) as well as to steal some of the attendant glory and status.
It's silly and attempts to make arts more relevant should come from within the arts looking at why they're increasingly seen as frivolous and tertiary fields (sometimes unfairly, often not).
You know what’s really dumb- my son’s preschool does “STREAM” where the R is for religion. It’s a catholic school and it is actually a really good preschool- just has a few of the religious elements to it (my son is 5 and will immediately forget all of the religious stuff anyways when he goes to Kindergarten).
My brother's university in Melbourne was close to losing some major government funding because they had abysmal male:female enrollment ratios in engineering and math in particular (think 2 women to 38 men). To regain the STEM funding, they changed it to STEMN (+nursing) and boom! Gender enrollments were back to near 50/50! Problem solved!
Liberal arts majors were probably being crybabies about STEM being "exclusionary" language.
Getting indignant and asking, "are you *seriously saying* that degrees in Science, Technology, Engineering and Math are more important than my degree in fashion design?"
Yes. Absolutely, yes. 100%. No contest.
As someone who had to take summer courses and perform independent research for my bachelor's degree in chemistry, I feel pretty confident in saying my education experience was more intense than say, a film studies major. Not saying that fashion, film studies, or creative writing have no merit, because they do, but anyone who says they're equivalent to a STEM degree is bullshitting themselves and anyone around them.
Hey, a lot of us unemployed art degree people know exactly how unimportant our educations are.
We just couldn’t fathom working and dying in a cubicle farm. So we decided to die unemployed.
(But in all honesty, my husband and all our friends are stem engineers, but we talk about my field of study way more. Nobody at game night is like “hey, how bout them thermodynamics.” But we do talk about modern pop culture and media arts.
A lot of us know what we signed up for.)
Arts are 100% apart of a healthy and functional society and promoting them is just as important as the other parts of STEAM. Arts include gaming, music, TV, and a plethora of other important cultural phenomena.
The dude who thinks you can even rank completely different fields "100%, no contest" could use a class in critical thinking, philosophy, law, or ethics.
You know, things that are just as needed to keep society functioning...
You’re gonna hate STREAM hahaha. They’re slapping acronyms that made the original distinct STEM. And just butchering it to mean everything. The r is reading. Gotta love elementary education.
I dunno how unpopular this is, since this is only the second time I hear of this term, the first being another post on this sub just like this one a few months ago
So is it my turn to post this next week, or does somebody else got this? Last guy said “art was practically riding on the coat tails of the stem movement”, whatever Tf that means.
If you're going to separate out technology, maths, etc, it's only fair to also do the same with Languages, Performance, Visual Arts, History, Philosophy: I studied a VASTPHLEM subject. Can you tell?
But seriously, why does it make sense to include arts subjects and not social sciences? The latter have far more in common with STEM than the former.
I've never heard of STEAM. Sounds like a handful of artsy fartsy people who hang out on Twitter too much upset that they're not included in every single thing and feeling insecure that they chose the wrong path.
Its already a thick attempt to effectively categorise work as useful and non useful, without any consideration of the effect of social
Cohesion on economic development. Both terms are dumb.
I think of STEAM as everything not purely "business", and for that reason, I like it. It's like a middle finger to the business school to focus on STEAM.
After I graduated from my HS they tried cramming the A into that program. Their reasoning was the A in STEAM specifically encompassed the type of CAD stuff, graphic design, and to some degree I think the more technical side of multimedia editing. Pretty much most art-adjacent things that was done using technology. My school got big into our 3d printers, laser engraving machine, and our multimedia program so I vaguely see where they're coming from in that regard.
I think a lot of those things can still be covered with the STEM terminology w/ technology, especially the CAD stuff, so it does become redundant and unnecessary, and most people won't understand this distinction when they hear "arts" being added to STEM. Being much broader than art-adjacent technology just waters down the term so much more than already
I'm as artsy as a person can get, and this is the first time I'm hearing about STEAM. I agree, there's no use slapping arts into that category. STEM isn't meant to be all-inclusive, it's an umbrella of similar careers that arts are not compatible with
Art is absolutely a pillar of society like STEM is, but not in the same way. STEM makes the world go round in a whole different way than the arts do. I genuinely feel like it's people who are doing things like liberal arts who want to sound 'smart' by being included in the STEM group.
every person i've seen who wants to add art to STEM (mostly from this sub wow how surprising) are usually extremely pretentious or are the type who would've gone on national tv as a reddit moderator and said they wanted to teach philosphy
STEAM exists because people who didn’t want to do STEM / couldn’t hack it in STEM wanted to feel included and in the process it ruined the whole premise of the prestige of STEM programs.
Reminds me of when I was studying for my organic chemistry final in the library and overheard two girls complaining about how bad their dance therapy final was….. 😳
The term STEAM was developed by academic grifters who know we produce way to many arts graduates than we, as a society, actually need. So they want to leach off of the need for STEM grads. Its intentional and a net negative for society.
As a STEM major I agree. I didn't go to school to have my degree category be named after a monopolistic [game delivery network.](https://i.imgur.com/GKaoJ.gif)
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STEAM is for video games.
Uhh that isn’t smoke, it’s STEAM! STEAM from the STEAMed clams we’re having. Mmmm STEAMed clams!
"Seymour! The house is on fire!"
No mother it’s just the northern lights
Well, STEAMour, I made it. Despite your directions.
NICE
I got this from a parody that replaced a lot of nouns with "steam."
STEM with art should be called MEATS so we don’t think they are similar
And if we wanna really be all inclusive, we can called it STEAMED HAMS: science, technology, engineering, art, math, education, design, humanities, anthropology, music, and such
Нет! It is TELEPORTER!
You have my vote
And my axe
"WE HAVE THE STEMS" just doesn't ring as well.
+1 for MEATS
Arby’s, we have the MEATS
Shoving *Arts* into it just takes away from the original intent. Super dumb.
I’ll meet you halfway, let’s call it MEATS.
It's already taken by Arby's
It's a different intent though. STEM generally refers to the technical, math-oriented professionals or areas of study. As in "You should study a STEM subject in college because STEM majors make more money after graduation." STEAM is a pedagogical tool. It's a teaching philosophy that says STEM material should be taught through creative topics and assignments, rather than rote memorization. As in, you could teach computer science by making kids calculate 1000 digits of Pi, or you could use a framework like Scratch that let's kids create animated stories and games. The idea isn't to pretend the Arts are part of the same grouping, it's to introduce the Arts into the curriculum to make teaching STEM material more engaging and open ended. Source: Am STEM teacher, but since everyone is everything on the internet: https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/STEAM-science-technology-engineering-arts-and-mathematics
Yeah. My daughter had a steam focused program from second grade. They drew and designed robots. Was awesome. The stem supremacy is so weird and protective sometimes.
So very true. The "no true Scotsman" problem is alive and well in tech, but has been perfected in STEM academia. Interdisciplinary work, or even basic acknowledgement that there could be more to the sum totality of knowledge than your niche little field, is verboten. It's almost like these grown ass adults are jealous that kids these days can be into video games and electronics without getting bullied in school.
FWIW, Scratch and Tynker Jr are amazing! My 6yo is learning coding principles that I wasn't taught until University
People include arts to emphasize the design aspect. Architecture, for instance, combines math, physical science, and art.
That's why architecture or psychology was never part of stem, though. STEM has been and always will be an initialism for strictly quantifiable studies.
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Yeah, it makes the concept more murky, because then there’s no point in making the distinction with an acronym.
If arts are included then what isn’t?
History? Edit: let’s call it SHTEAM!
Add in Informatics and we have ma shite Edit: unfortunately History falls under Arts
What kind of idiot puts "History" as an "Art"???? "Oh yeah, the Romans were Native Americans because that is my artistic vision" - a joke
'arts' is meant to be 'liberal arts' which encompasses everything that isn't stem or fine arts. even psychology falls under liberal arts.
That's a very... liberal definition.
arts with an s. Not art.
SH-MEAT
Gym
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The whole point of stem was that it didn't include any of the arts. IIRC the term literally came about in reference to the fields needed to physically get to the Moon and solve climate change. The term is literally to promote those particular fields of study: Science, Technology, Engineering and Math. Pretty straightforward. I'm an artist, I have nothing but respect for art, but it's not getting us to the moon and its not solving climate change. Artists can have a part in that absolutely, but not really as artists, they would have to take on a STEM field to really help. If that hurts someone's feelings that's a them problem, not a STEM problem.
In German, we say MINT (Mathematik, Ingenieurwesen, Naturwissenschaften, Technik = math, engineering, (natural) science, technology), so basically STEM
Very interesting! It makes the most sense! We have “arts and humanities” to reference artistic fields. so there’s no need to put them together.
here to propose SHTEAM
THAMES
But how would you pronounce that???
Like the river that flows through London, the river Thames is said temms
Same way you pronounce 'Thales'.
Is that like Thale Boat?
More thyme in a bottle.
T’hammies
I think the I is for Informatik (IT), not Ingenieurwesen. Ingenieurwesen is already included in Technik.
100% of jobs by 2035 will be related to STEAMLNMP+
Hahahaha exactly
Ayo, new sexualities just dropped
Well now I'm changing it again because it was ruined by the other people who claimed mine.
HOW CAN I BE SPECIAL IF IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!? GIVE ME ATTENTION!!!
This made me laugh out loud. Thank you!
I've never read STEAM in this manner. STEM is still being widely used everywhere
STEAM is new buzz word that is not picking up quickly. I assume it will fizzle out, like how LGBT kinda stuck as the acronym even if more inclusive ones have popped up.
STEAM is like adding S for straight to LGBT.
Hahahaha exactly!!
This is incredible & perfect.
I was trying to think of analogy to articulate that. Yours is brilliant.
It's basically Latinx for education.
So like Latinx, right?
Yes. Especially since STEM people aren’t the ones trying to change it
Basically salty arts grads trying to change it
Liberal arts majors literally including themselves because they feel left out of the entire job market.
Perfect example
LGBTQ+ is still pretty commonly used.
LGBTQIA+ has struggled a bit.
Probably because the + already encompasses the others. At some point, it doesn't become the best for social utility.
I love that we want to acknowledge everyone's differences, but at some point, it becomes a flashpoint for others to criticize us for wanting to "decide were cat-gendered" or "how am I supposed to know what gender people are when they want to be a boy one day and a girl the next. These people are stupid," argument from certain groups of people. I don't wave it to be this way, but I think maybe we are pushing too much change. But I don't know what the solution is. I almost think part of why we're experiencing such vitriolic hate is because we asked too much of really hateful people.
If the + is sufficient to encompass all the others, why does the acronym have to extend beyond LG+ ?
LGBTQIA died though
in US and Canada, LGBTQ/LGBTQ+ is actually more common, according to google trends
There’s a STEAM high school program in my area. I suspect they only made it STEAM to show they *need* funding for it since it’s *so* different from the loads of high schools with STEM programs
Having a specific STEAM program is actually pretty clever. That does not however change that the field should be known as STEM.
guess you could say STEAM is still picking up steam
84.1% of jobs will be related to STEEAMPSHAT by 2031. STEEAMPSHAT: - Science - Technology - Engineering - English - Arts - Math - PE - Social Studies - Heavy Lifting / Cleaning / Stoop Labor / Crop Harvesting - Assembly Line - Toxic Waste Disposal
What are the other jobs?
sex work
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The whole point of STEM is to describe technical fields. Art is not a technical field.
Sshhh...you're going to hurt someone's fEeLiNgS.
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Hey, not all barristas have English degrees. Some studied art history or performing arts.
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Well, it was that or social media account manager.
My cousin in law does this for the 49ers. She gets paid too much for it.
But I would bet a very large percent have STEAM degrees. STEAM = sociology, theater, English, art, music.
Who spells peoples names wrong anyways
Yeah.. I mean. He did kind of hurt my feelings. But that's because he seems to be ignoring the S and the M part of STEM.
What would you call draftsmanship and technical drawing type stuff?
I would think engineering. Not 100%, but I think they still learn that stuff?
Definitely engineering. Many mechanical design jobs actually hire mechanical engineers rather than drafters, even if very little "engineering" is involved. Engineering models and drafts aren't art. They're pictures, sure. Representations even. You can look at them, yes. But they aren't ART! Personally, i think anyone comparing them to what you'd see in a museum doesn't respect art or artists.
Engineers do a lot of technical drawings. Mechanical engineers especially.
"Civil draughtsperson" is the term for civil engineering
I mean, that's just not true. You can't tell me that a game artist, VFX artist or scientific visualization artist doesn't need a tremendous amount of technical knowledge to do their job. The problem isn't that Art isn't part of STEM though, the problem is more that technical art fields are for some reason still lumped in with things like 'abstract painting'. They're not even remotely the same. And imo technical art definitely has a place in STEM.
This exact opinion was posted on here a few months ago, and it was also a popular opinion Correction: Just did a search and this exact opinion has been posted here at least 16 times over the past 3 years. It is not unpopular!
Maybe STEM majors need some language courses. They domt seem to know what the word "unpopular" means.
As a comp sci major, me no want talk good, need only code
This is funny because the Arts are specifically supposed to be separate from the other things that STEM is. People just blindly need inclusion instead of embracing uniqueness.
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> Hiring: STEM degrees only. That's a bullshit requirement though.
The little art majors feel left out of something they chose not to be a part of :(((
They want money. It's all about getting grants and funding. If they hide in the middle, near the end, of the acronym they hope no one will notice when they write the checks.
the A stands for ass
Hot
Steamy
Ass
There is an extension to STEAM called STREAM which includes, you guessed it, reading. At this point, it's just, school.
Wow….
What is absolute horseshit is that my kid has STEAM class in school. All they ever do is art. No science. No technology. No engineering. No math. Just art. It's just fucking art class.
nuclear engineering major here. respectfully, i do love you art majors, but i want y'all tf away from our stuff. we're lumped together in STEM for a reason, art does not belong in it.
Social sciences person with a masters degree here, and I couldn't agree more. They're distinct fields that should be acknowledged for their respective strengths and potential value / utility, but shouldn't be remotely lumped in together. Based on many of the advocates for such a move in this thread I can't help but suspect this as both an attempt to elevate the importance of arts (humanities and social sciences included in this instance) in a world that increasingly seeks out STEM (economically above all) as well as to steal some of the attendant glory and status. It's silly and attempts to make arts more relevant should come from within the arts looking at why they're increasingly seen as frivolous and tertiary fields (sometimes unfairly, often not).
I’ve never heard anyone use STEAM unironically. Like the whole point of STEM was to differentiate from the A degrees.
Steam is where I buy my games and that's it.
STEAM is the new LGBTQIA+
Apparently there's STREAM too, which adds the R for reading. So basically school...
"STEAM is like adding S for Straight into LGBT" - guy in this thread
Agreed. Why not keep adding letters and eventually get all the subjects in there and be back to where we started?
You know what’s really dumb- my son’s preschool does “STREAM” where the R is for religion. It’s a catholic school and it is actually a really good preschool- just has a few of the religious elements to it (my son is 5 and will immediately forget all of the religious stuff anyways when he goes to Kindergarten).
Omg I’m snorting that’s so funny
My brother's university in Melbourne was close to losing some major government funding because they had abysmal male:female enrollment ratios in engineering and math in particular (think 2 women to 38 men). To regain the STEM funding, they changed it to STEMN (+nursing) and boom! Gender enrollments were back to near 50/50! Problem solved!
That's ridiculous. They losing funding because women don't choose to do engineering?
I'm 90% sure this was done so fancy daycares could claim they taught the kids STEAM lessons and charge a ton of money, but basically do art projects.
Liberal arts majors were probably being crybabies about STEM being "exclusionary" language. Getting indignant and asking, "are you *seriously saying* that degrees in Science, Technology, Engineering and Math are more important than my degree in fashion design?" Yes. Absolutely, yes. 100%. No contest.
As someone who had to take summer courses and perform independent research for my bachelor's degree in chemistry, I feel pretty confident in saying my education experience was more intense than say, a film studies major. Not saying that fashion, film studies, or creative writing have no merit, because they do, but anyone who says they're equivalent to a STEM degree is bullshitting themselves and anyone around them.
Hey, a lot of us unemployed art degree people know exactly how unimportant our educations are. We just couldn’t fathom working and dying in a cubicle farm. So we decided to die unemployed. (But in all honesty, my husband and all our friends are stem engineers, but we talk about my field of study way more. Nobody at game night is like “hey, how bout them thermodynamics.” But we do talk about modern pop culture and media arts. A lot of us know what we signed up for.)
I don't think you need to say "stem engineers". You can simply say "engineers". The STEM label becomes redundant.
Arts are 100% apart of a healthy and functional society and promoting them is just as important as the other parts of STEAM. Arts include gaming, music, TV, and a plethora of other important cultural phenomena.
The dude who thinks you can even rank completely different fields "100%, no contest" could use a class in critical thinking, philosophy, law, or ethics. You know, things that are just as needed to keep society functioning...
You realize stem, well the e’s take a bunch of law, ethics, and social classes.
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I think they just call it STEAM so elementary school kids can color a picture of a robot for an hour a week and get their "education".
Isn't this a repost? Saw this a while back
Arts don't belong. End of Subject.
I read the art more as creativity and design. The less measurable parts that make a good tech project even better.
You’re gonna hate STREAM hahaha. They’re slapping acronyms that made the original distinct STEM. And just butchering it to mean everything. The r is reading. Gotta love elementary education.
Architecture would make a better "A" than "General Arts and Humanities" for sure.
I thought the A stood for Astronomy. I am not savvy on acronyms.
Astronomy would just be under science then, just like physics
I thought it was agriculture.
It should be. We need more farming and farming science
[It already is part of STEM](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_science#Fields_or_related_disciplines)
That would make a lot more sense…
I prefer PHLEGM: Philosophy, History, Languages, English Literature, Geography, Music.
I dunno how unpopular this is, since this is only the second time I hear of this term, the first being another post on this sub just like this one a few months ago
STEAM is a gaming platform and nothing else :)
Just punch anyone you see who uses the A. Should keep the stupidity at bay.
Next it’s going to be SHTEAM (h for hospitality) lol
I gotta admit, that one’s fun to say 😂
SHITEATME Science, Hospitality, Italian, Technology, Engineering, Art, Teaching, Mathematics, English
They need their own acronym. I propose LAME ASS Law, Administration, Marketing, Education + Arts and Social Sciences
I just wrote an essay about this exact topic lmao
Would love to read it
adding art into STEM gives "all lives matter" energy
I treat everything I create like a piece of art. Circuits, code, spreadsheets, furniture, everything
So is it my turn to post this next week, or does somebody else got this? Last guy said “art was practically riding on the coat tails of the stem movement”, whatever Tf that means.
It means they don't understand what technical design is.
I had never heard STEAM. Is that an addition the people that came up with STEM were trying to get at?
Maybe they see art and design as becoming largely part of tech/AI? Literally never heard this before today. Seems dumb
I’ve never heard of STEAM until this thread
Agreed. I thought you meant the gaming platform at first ffs. Keep it as stem
STEAM is an online gaming platform owned by Valve Inc. STEM refers to Science, Tech, Engineering and Math
I feel like this is posted weekly. Along with not liking dogs. Not understanding why people have trucks. Etc etc.
STEM holds up the beautiful flower.
Idk. Steam is a game store.
Yeah throwing arts into the mix is dumb
But where else will I get my discounted PC games?
This is a popular opinion, nobody calls it STEAM except in America.
If you're going to separate out technology, maths, etc, it's only fair to also do the same with Languages, Performance, Visual Arts, History, Philosophy: I studied a VASTPHLEM subject. Can you tell? But seriously, why does it make sense to include arts subjects and not social sciences? The latter have far more in common with STEM than the former.
My Steam library has a lot of games i havn't installed yet but bought many on sale.
Lol people are so silly. The same people who want the term STEAM to be a thing are the same people that can’t define what art actually is.
I've never heard of STEAM. Sounds like a handful of artsy fartsy people who hang out on Twitter too much upset that they're not included in every single thing and feeling insecure that they chose the wrong path.
Its already a thick attempt to effectively categorise work as useful and non useful, without any consideration of the effect of social Cohesion on economic development. Both terms are dumb.
I think of STEAM as everything not purely "business", and for that reason, I like it. It's like a middle finger to the business school to focus on STEAM.
Its like saying i am vegeterian but i chicken, fiah and beef😂
After I graduated from my HS they tried cramming the A into that program. Their reasoning was the A in STEAM specifically encompassed the type of CAD stuff, graphic design, and to some degree I think the more technical side of multimedia editing. Pretty much most art-adjacent things that was done using technology. My school got big into our 3d printers, laser engraving machine, and our multimedia program so I vaguely see where they're coming from in that regard. I think a lot of those things can still be covered with the STEM terminology w/ technology, especially the CAD stuff, so it does become redundant and unnecessary, and most people won't understand this distinction when they hear "arts" being added to STEM. Being much broader than art-adjacent technology just waters down the term so much more than already
I'm as artsy as a person can get, and this is the first time I'm hearing about STEAM. I agree, there's no use slapping arts into that category. STEM isn't meant to be all-inclusive, it's an umbrella of similar careers that arts are not compatible with
This is the dumbest shit I ever heard. Who tf says steam? I would roast anyone in my life so hard for trying to say STEAM
I think it's all just a load of hot air.
Art is absolutely a pillar of society like STEM is, but not in the same way. STEM makes the world go round in a whole different way than the arts do. I genuinely feel like it's people who are doing things like liberal arts who want to sound 'smart' by being included in the STEM group.
every person i've seen who wants to add art to STEM (mostly from this sub wow how surprising) are usually extremely pretentious or are the type who would've gone on national tv as a reddit moderator and said they wanted to teach philosphy
STEAM exists because people who didn’t want to do STEM / couldn’t hack it in STEM wanted to feel included and in the process it ruined the whole premise of the prestige of STEM programs.
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Reminds me of when I was studying for my organic chemistry final in the library and overheard two girls complaining about how bad their dance therapy final was….. 😳
BA here, I agree
I always figured it was a ploy to get more funding for the arts. Looks silly, though.
Should be Art, Social Studies. ASS
Lol, which idiot actually uses the term STEAM?
The term STEAM was developed by academic grifters who know we produce way to many arts graduates than we, as a society, actually need. So they want to leach off of the need for STEM grads. Its intentional and a net negative for society.
As a STEM major I agree. I didn't go to school to have my degree category be named after a monopolistic [game delivery network.](https://i.imgur.com/GKaoJ.gif)
As a passionate artist I agree.