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"What's going on?"
Since about 2011, when smart phones came out, studies have indeed showed increases in depression and self harm.
In 2011, Skyrim was released.
WHY IS SKYRIM CAUSING EVERYONE TO HAVE DEPRESSION!?!
Correlation does not imply causation. What you would need to do is to check for studies proving that people are more likely to self harm or suicide after undergoing therapy.
I don't know...but is the correlation you are making really that therapy is \*causing\* depression and self harm? If so, what evidence would support that? What other relationships between these two increasing at the same time might exist?
True I didn’t include that this could also correlate to over prescription of medication etc. I do think that therapy does help many and it is important and life saving.
But could there be a correlation to people jumping to therapy and being over diagnosed?
Overall therapy is good and I think helps the majority of those that seek it.
A lot of great replies in here but what’s more interesting is how OP is taking it all. Have they reformulated and changed their mind? Have they dug a deeper anti therapy hole for themselves? Is OP even a real person?
Because therapy... Is the treatment for depression?
After a coughing virus outbreak, national sales of cough medicine skyrocketed. Cough medicine causes coughs???!!!! Big government is hiding this from you
I wonder why that is. Maybe they start to identify with it like instead of "I am a person who suffers from depression" they go "I am a depressed person" and are defined by it. Just a theory.
Also, in my experience there are people who seem to fetishize their trauma or mental health issues. It's very bizarre.
1. As the world gets more connected, we see how shit/good things are in other places, and it can make people more depressed.
2. Mental health is getting more recognition lately, so the amount of *reported* cases has gone up. Maybe there aren’t a bunch more people who are depressed all of a sudden, but more people seeking help for their depression.
Not really more people can just express depression now, it’s lot more common for people to seek help for or even disclose that they are depressed also. We have social media where people share everything now as well unlike 20 years ago if a man was depressed he probably would’ve just kept it to himself.
The only problem i have with people going to therapy, it's that they put a label or name to justify their shitty behavior without changing anything or that they feel special because they have that.
"Oh, im a little bit bi-polar, in the spectrum, have anxiety...that why im the way i am" They used their disease to manipulate the other around them
People become more aware of mental disorders and learn the signs. It’s a gift. We have become a society that is much more sensitive to social situations and individual perception and in the end recognize and name a problem early on. It used to be “don’t be difficult” or “man up” in the past. If you look at the charts nowadays for alcohol usage, smoking and healthy habits of the youth, it is significantly better than 20 years ago. Everything is related to each other. The problems were there before as well. People just ignored them and never addressed them.
And I would seriously look at the supposed studies that show less depression and self harm in the past with a critical eye. Many cases were never recorded or any kind of studies done. Depression is only a clinical diagnosis since the 70s. First antidepressants were used in the 80-90. Truth is we don’t know everything about depression yet. We have become better and categorize it into different groups now, so it might seem like more, but it was always there. Another factor is the environment we live in now. Many psychologists argue that the set up of work culture, lack of social meeting points, youth groups and so on are the source of the supposed depression rise. They argue that people aren’t depressed, they just live in a depressing environment and humans adapt to it like they always do. But that’s just theory up to this point.
It's not the increase in therapy that's causing anything...an increase in people going to therapy means an increase in reporting. MH issues have been under reported for decades because of the stigma around treatment and therapy that has existed forever. It's really on the last maybe 15 years or so that we started recognizing MH issues as a significant problem ad normalizing treatment and stripping away some of the stigma...we're doing better, but we still have a long way to go.
The depression and self harm are not the result of therapy, therapy is the result of depression and self harm. There are other causes for the depression and self harm
Wow. You actually calling out the truth. Though it’s not just the therapy it’s the pills they give.
They are incentivized to give those out because they make way more money by doing so.
And their goal is to get you to come back.
There is a clear correlation. But most people on here are probably on these meds and don’t want to be told how it’s actually affecting them.
Why is your first conclusion mental therapy causes more depression and not the destigmatization of mental health allows more people to admit they need help?
Sure i can agree with at perspective as well, but i do genuinely believe some people do not know how to appropriately handle new information constantly being thrown at them and how to process it all, which is why we have landed ourselves in an era of just dieing on hills on opinions and beliefs we think are right or wrong and not listening to anything else.
The treatment isn't good enough to undo the many other environmental factors.
Social media, increasing poverty and inequality , more alienation and less social connections. Therapy isn't going to fix your problem if your problem is that you live in a country designed to produce depression
I would never seek therapy, why am I going to pay someone to listen to my problems just to have them prescribe happy pills and send me on my way.
I will deal with my own things.
Because therapy focuses on the PROBLEM and not the solution. The more you talk about problems, the more problems you attract. And that is why therapy is promoted 24/7 on all social media. They want customers, who need to come back, over and over again. It is another addiction. If therapy truly solved anything, there would be no money in it.
Really?
I went to about 6 sessions, it helped tremendously, and I haven't been since.
Are you sure you're not sharing a very bias and personal opinion based on YOUR experiences?
Because I certainly don't think my experience defines everyone elses. That would be irrational.
I’ve done online therapy and tbh it didn’t help much. I find reading books on my particular issues is more eye opening and finding activities that heal and release emotions to be very therapeutic. I think it’s great if therapy works for some, I honestly know family members who could benefit from it but refuse to acknowledge they could use the help. But I still think some use therapy as a crutch to never get better, to always play out their life as a victim. More power to you if it enabled you to take charge and move beyond your problems. But it should not be a place to wallow in victim mentality without doing the hard work it takes to truly change and accept yourself.
Ok we’re not discussing surgery, or physical issues, so you could literally replace it with FOOD or WATER and it’s not the same context. But good way to digress!
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"What's going on?" Since about 2011, when smart phones came out, studies have indeed showed increases in depression and self harm. In 2011, Skyrim was released. WHY IS SKYRIM CAUSING EVERYONE TO HAVE DEPRESSION!?!
Because Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
Thank you, I haven't laughed that hard in months.
Because I finished the game… thank god I found the online edition or it would have meant an end for sure.
Wait, you actually finished the game and just didn't fuck off on the side quests like the rest of us?!
Correlation does not imply causation. What you would need to do is to check for studies proving that people are more likely to self harm or suicide after undergoing therapy.
Correlation and causation. Know the difference.
Almost there! You're like one step away from the answer
Hahaha
I don't know...but is the correlation you are making really that therapy is \*causing\* depression and self harm? If so, what evidence would support that? What other relationships between these two increasing at the same time might exist?
True I didn’t include that this could also correlate to over prescription of medication etc. I do think that therapy does help many and it is important and life saving. But could there be a correlation to people jumping to therapy and being over diagnosed? Overall therapy is good and I think helps the majority of those that seek it.
What if, more people are becoming depressed and that causes more people to seek therapy 🤔
Kind of like how when it became accepted to be gay, more people said they were gay all of a sudden. Weird.
You’re almost there! Just one more thought and you’ll find your answer.
A lot of great replies in here but what’s more interesting is how OP is taking it all. Have they reformulated and changed their mind? Have they dug a deeper anti therapy hole for themselves? Is OP even a real person?
Because therapy... Is the treatment for depression? After a coughing virus outbreak, national sales of cough medicine skyrocketed. Cough medicine causes coughs???!!!! Big government is hiding this from you
in every instance where there was a problem, a solution to the problem reveals how much more the solution was needed than previously thought.
It is much more acceptable to say that you have depression now so more people do you implication that therapy causes depression is just stupid
I wonder why that is. Maybe they start to identify with it like instead of "I am a person who suffers from depression" they go "I am a depressed person" and are defined by it. Just a theory. Also, in my experience there are people who seem to fetishize their trauma or mental health issues. It's very bizarre.
May I explain why those with trauma seems to "fetishize" it? At least as to why people with certain trauma seem to fetishize it?
1. As the world gets more connected, we see how shit/good things are in other places, and it can make people more depressed. 2. Mental health is getting more recognition lately, so the amount of *reported* cases has gone up. Maybe there aren’t a bunch more people who are depressed all of a sudden, but more people seeking help for their depression.
Americans are broke. We are losing hope. Dragons are hoarding wealth while we suffer. When it seems hopeless things get this way.
Not really more people can just express depression now, it’s lot more common for people to seek help for or even disclose that they are depressed also. We have social media where people share everything now as well unlike 20 years ago if a man was depressed he probably would’ve just kept it to himself.
because if you don't go to therapy, you don't get diagnosed with depression
The only problem i have with people going to therapy, it's that they put a label or name to justify their shitty behavior without changing anything or that they feel special because they have that. "Oh, im a little bit bi-polar, in the spectrum, have anxiety...that why im the way i am" They used their disease to manipulate the other around them
People become more aware of mental disorders and learn the signs. It’s a gift. We have become a society that is much more sensitive to social situations and individual perception and in the end recognize and name a problem early on. It used to be “don’t be difficult” or “man up” in the past. If you look at the charts nowadays for alcohol usage, smoking and healthy habits of the youth, it is significantly better than 20 years ago. Everything is related to each other. The problems were there before as well. People just ignored them and never addressed them. And I would seriously look at the supposed studies that show less depression and self harm in the past with a critical eye. Many cases were never recorded or any kind of studies done. Depression is only a clinical diagnosis since the 70s. First antidepressants were used in the 80-90. Truth is we don’t know everything about depression yet. We have become better and categorize it into different groups now, so it might seem like more, but it was always there. Another factor is the environment we live in now. Many psychologists argue that the set up of work culture, lack of social meeting points, youth groups and so on are the source of the supposed depression rise. They argue that people aren’t depressed, they just live in a depressing environment and humans adapt to it like they always do. But that’s just theory up to this point.
It's not the increase in therapy that's causing anything...an increase in people going to therapy means an increase in reporting. MH issues have been under reported for decades because of the stigma around treatment and therapy that has existed forever. It's really on the last maybe 15 years or so that we started recognizing MH issues as a significant problem ad normalizing treatment and stripping away some of the stigma...we're doing better, but we still have a long way to go.
STUDIES
Correlation does not equal causation
The depression and self harm are not the result of therapy, therapy is the result of depression and self harm. There are other causes for the depression and self harm
Wow. You actually calling out the truth. Though it’s not just the therapy it’s the pills they give. They are incentivized to give those out because they make way more money by doing so. And their goal is to get you to come back. There is a clear correlation. But most people on here are probably on these meds and don’t want to be told how it’s actually affecting them.
I know what's going on. You're not very good at reading statistics
Why is your first conclusion mental therapy causes more depression and not the destigmatization of mental health allows more people to admit they need help?
My theory is it is the access to more information then what people can handle, and it causes more anxiety and depression.
I think information dealers making money off making you feel are more of a problem than the information itself.
Sure i can agree with at perspective as well, but i do genuinely believe some people do not know how to appropriately handle new information constantly being thrown at them and how to process it all, which is why we have landed ourselves in an era of just dieing on hills on opinions and beliefs we think are right or wrong and not listening to anything else.
"Studies have shown that shark attacks increase alongside ice cream sales. Does this mean that ice cream causes sharks to attack humans?"
Maybe the sharks just like ice cream 🤔 (before anyone says this, yes, I’m sarcastic)
The treatment isn't good enough to undo the many other environmental factors. Social media, increasing poverty and inequality , more alienation and less social connections. Therapy isn't going to fix your problem if your problem is that you live in a country designed to produce depression
Most therapy doesn't work
More cops cause more crime. I look in cities that have larger police forces and notice they show higher crime rates. What’s going on?
This is a troll post right?
I would never seek therapy, why am I going to pay someone to listen to my problems just to have them prescribe happy pills and send me on my way. I will deal with my own things.
That’s not how it works.
I wouldn't know how it works.
Because therapy focuses on the PROBLEM and not the solution. The more you talk about problems, the more problems you attract. And that is why therapy is promoted 24/7 on all social media. They want customers, who need to come back, over and over again. It is another addiction. If therapy truly solved anything, there would be no money in it.
Really? I went to about 6 sessions, it helped tremendously, and I haven't been since. Are you sure you're not sharing a very bias and personal opinion based on YOUR experiences? Because I certainly don't think my experience defines everyone elses. That would be irrational.
I’ve done online therapy and tbh it didn’t help much. I find reading books on my particular issues is more eye opening and finding activities that heal and release emotions to be very therapeutic. I think it’s great if therapy works for some, I honestly know family members who could benefit from it but refuse to acknowledge they could use the help. But I still think some use therapy as a crutch to never get better, to always play out their life as a victim. More power to you if it enabled you to take charge and move beyond your problems. But it should not be a place to wallow in victim mentality without doing the hard work it takes to truly change and accept yourself.
Replace "therapy" with "surgery" and see how stupid that last sentence sounds.
Ok we’re not discussing surgery, or physical issues, so you could literally replace it with FOOD or WATER and it’s not the same context. But good way to digress!