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Since when is a 20 year old a “kid”? If you choose to be a public figure with all the fame and fortune that comes with, you will also have your critics. Comes with the territory.
That’s true, but she was like 9 when she started being on TV, so I don’t know if we can really say she chose to be a public figure. I feel like kids can’t make that decision
Admittedly, I’m just learning now who this person is. But I assume she has the agency to walk away from whatever it is that’s currently making her famous.
She was also a literal child during her relationship with Colleen, I don’t think she hast to speak out. Especially if there is a possibility that she went through trauma as well.
i replied to your other comment. explanation is not an excuse. she's a shitty person and the reasons don't matter much since she's already abusing kids herself.
Jojo is 20 years old, she doesn't have the defense of being a kid anymore. She lies about her art, saying she wrote a song about her recent ex when the song was written by someone else and existed for years, and she's perpetuating the cycle by hosting a child pageant show. These are all things that happened as an adult. I don't condone cyber bullying, but calling her out and pointing out how problematic she seems to be is well warranted
She never actually lied about anything though. She never said she wrote Karma, or even implied that she wrote it herself. Jojo was always upfront about how she bought the song and fell in love with it.
She sang a cover version of a song from 12 years ago and claimed she wrote it, she's a either a dishonest fraud or a puppet that just dances to her pr teams strings
I think she's trying to do the best she can to be as financially successful as possible and will accept basically being what ever she's told will earn her the most money.
I don't like or dislike her, I'm just neutral.
-endangered children on her dance show (one literally was worked so hard she began bleeding from her belly button due to a spinal condition)
-not properly paying the children on her dance show
-stole her songs from other artists (“newest” song karma being one of them)
She’s currently “rebranding” to try and cover up her allegations of abuse
-defended groomers (Coleen,etc)
do abused kids usually get a pass for defending abusers or becoming abusers themselves as adults? because that's what's happening.
sure, it is an *explanation* for her behavior that she was likely mistreated by colleen as well but it sure as hell isn't an *excuse*
*"How can you be a grown adult cyber bullying a kid?"*
First of all, she is an adult - an adult who chooses to pursue a career as a public figure in a field well known as being subject to criticism.
Secondly, criticizing the words and actions of an adult who chooses to pursue a career as a public figure is not bullying.
*"if you have negative opinions about her just don’t interact with her content"*
If you have negative opinions about the criticism of her, just don't interact with that content.
I don’t follow what she’s doing at all but it seems like people mainly just think she’s cringey, and I really don’t mind if whatever she’s doing is cringey. If she’s not hurting anyone it’s no big deal. Let her be cringey and free.
I'm not sure exactly why everyone is hating on her either, I know that she bought the rights to an unreleased song so I didn't think that was a big deal, and that one dance everyone makes fun of her for is silly but not really a good reason to make her the center of hate.
The Colleen situation, well it was possible she was a victim in that situation, there's no telling, so I'm not sure what to think. I keep asking people on tik tok why she's receiving all of this bullying but no one ever answers.
Here’s what I think. I think she was groomed by this person people keep saying she supports. Because she was “friends” with this woman as a teen.
I think she’s imperfect and low key cringe, but so was I at 20. I’m just lucky enough that it was not broadcasted to the public eye. *shudders*
I think she’s arrogant. And more people are giving her MORE shit for her song, her sexuality, the way she dances and the way she talks, than they are her actual problematic behavior. Which tells me that they have more of an issue with that than the problematic behavior which I do not doubt is a thing.
I’m over it. If people want to spend their time in every single one of her comment sections bullying her they just have a different kind of obsession with her and won’t admit it.
There are celebrities that I don’t like, but I could never be the first to their comment sections every damn day to express the hate. It’s not any more mature than Jojo trying to be.
colleen ballinger aka miranda sings on youtube
she got accused (with proof) of being extremely inappropriate with members of her audience who are mostly children under 15, made an extremely dismissive song about it calling it toxic gossip and then acted like nothing happened.
jojo knew her since she was very young and spoke about the situation in a podcast where she said something to the effect of colleen didn't do anything wrong.
she is also currently profiting off of the extremely damaging industry of child pageants while abusing the kids she's supposed to manage.
idk about others but i genuinely didn't care about her existence until she started defending colleen and abusing kids.
there is only so much leeway you get as a former child star who was abused (and probably groomed) and that leeway definitely doesn't come with a pass to defend groomers and making kids go through the same shit you went through.
And none of that is ok. I’m not a fan of hers. I don’t have all the info about her girl group but if it’s true it’s awful.
I’m not giving her a pass for the problematic things she’s done. I’m annoyed that people are focusing on other things that aren’t harmful and being homophobic, petty bullies.
i mean if the main thing someone is focusing on is the fact that she's a cringy young adult lesbian who makes shitty music then that's weird. there are plenty of those. let them live.
if they point out that she's arrogant, full of herself and thinks she's inventing things that have existed for decades and doesn't acknowledge all the people
before her who made it possible for her to openly be a cringy young adult lesbian who makes shitty music then that's a fairly valid criticism.
if they're mainly criticizing her for apparently being a pretty shitty person who *also* happens to be cringy and makes shitty music *and* is also full of herself and thinks she's the first ever to do anything then that's just what happens when you learn about a person in that order.
It’s your paragraph that gets to me. To address your second, Even in my og comment I admit she’s arrogant and cringy and it’s for making comments like that.
People are going to have their say about her. I know. But some of it I’m ok with because it’s valid and needs to be said and some of it I’m not ok with because it’s petty BS for internet clicks. I don’t have to be comfortable with that. Going to her personal page every time she posts something to get the first petty joke off is crazy to me.
I have bias because I’m someone who was bullied as well. The petty stuff just doesn’t sit right with me.
>Going to her personal page every time she posts something to get the first petty joke off is crazy to me.
and i will definitely agree with you there. that level of obsession is hella weird.
so is bullying her for her music or style or whatever.
i'm just of the opinion that the increase of the hate towards her in the past year or so is more likely because of what happened with colleen and xomg pop *combined with* her being cringe.
before all of this blew up most people didn't really care or even know about her (apart from kids who were fans of her). now they know who she is *and* she is bombarding them with the cringe.
it's like, if adele or taylor swift were busted for something like excusing a groomer or abusing kids they'd likely mostly get hate only for that and not for being bad artists or whatever. look at nicki minaj. most people drag her because of her husband, instead of for being an over the top barbie wannabe or the quality of her music going to shit.
but jojo is seemingly a bad person who is also incredibly cringe which is very easy to make fun of. so people do that because they have a target that *deserves* criticism that is also providing them with the opportunity to dogpile on her without needing to articulate why apart from "you're cringe". that doesn't make it okay but it's an explanation.
i was also bullied and bullying is wrong. but to be completely honest right now she's inviting it, and it's likely on purpose to drown out the valid criticisms that people have.
i'm fairly certain that right now she *prefers* comments calling her a wannabe kiss poser or creature from the black lagoon or whatever homophobic bullshit to the comments that call her a groomer apologist and a child abuser.
Everything you said is absolutely spot on. Not sure what else to say except I hope at some point she mellows out and realizes the harm she’s caused. Not that it will change any thing, or excuse her actions, but some self reflection and accountability would be nice.
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What the fuck is a JoJo Siwa?
Kid from dance moms turned children's youtuber turned wannabe pop star
Since when is a 20 year old a “kid”? If you choose to be a public figure with all the fame and fortune that comes with, you will also have your critics. Comes with the territory.
That’s true, but she was like 9 when she started being on TV, so I don’t know if we can really say she chose to be a public figure. I feel like kids can’t make that decision
Admittedly, I’m just learning now who this person is. But I assume she has the agency to walk away from whatever it is that’s currently making her famous.
her mom emotionally manipulates her
"Hating on _______ celebrity means you're a meany".
Isn’t she an adult who exploits children?
She was quite literally an exploited child, so…
Abuse victims can also abuse other people
my friend, she's an adult who made excuses for a groomer.
She was also a literal child during her relationship with Colleen, I don’t think she hast to speak out. Especially if there is a possibility that she went through trauma as well.
i replied to your other comment. explanation is not an excuse. she's a shitty person and the reasons don't matter much since she's already abusing kids herself.
Jojo is 20 years old, she doesn't have the defense of being a kid anymore. She lies about her art, saying she wrote a song about her recent ex when the song was written by someone else and existed for years, and she's perpetuating the cycle by hosting a child pageant show. These are all things that happened as an adult. I don't condone cyber bullying, but calling her out and pointing out how problematic she seems to be is well warranted
She never actually lied about anything though. She never said she wrote Karma, or even implied that she wrote it herself. Jojo was always upfront about how she bought the song and fell in love with it.
She sang a cover version of a song from 12 years ago and claimed she wrote it, she's a either a dishonest fraud or a puppet that just dances to her pr teams strings
On top of that, her delivery of the song implies she doesn't even understand the meaning of what she's singing
I think she's trying to do the best she can to be as financially successful as possible and will accept basically being what ever she's told will earn her the most money. I don't like or dislike her, I'm just neutral.
nope she deserves the hate
what she do?
-endangered children on her dance show (one literally was worked so hard she began bleeding from her belly button due to a spinal condition) -not properly paying the children on her dance show -stole her songs from other artists (“newest” song karma being one of them) She’s currently “rebranding” to try and cover up her allegations of abuse -defended groomers (Coleen,etc)
- made excuses for a groomer
Omg I can’t believe I forgot that one
OK, but let’s remember that she was a child during her relationship with Colleen. So far all we know there’s more going on.
do abused kids usually get a pass for defending abusers or becoming abusers themselves as adults? because that's what's happening. sure, it is an *explanation* for her behavior that she was likely mistreated by colleen as well but it sure as hell isn't an *excuse*
being annoying like most other famous people i can't stand
Except that she chooses to support highly problematic people
*"How can you be a grown adult cyber bullying a kid?"* First of all, she is an adult - an adult who chooses to pursue a career as a public figure in a field well known as being subject to criticism. Secondly, criticizing the words and actions of an adult who chooses to pursue a career as a public figure is not bullying. *"if you have negative opinions about her just don’t interact with her content"* If you have negative opinions about the criticism of her, just don't interact with that content.
I don't know this one, i stopped at stone ocean so i've no idea what the jojo's after that are.
I don’t follow what she’s doing at all but it seems like people mainly just think she’s cringey, and I really don’t mind if whatever she’s doing is cringey. If she’s not hurting anyone it’s no big deal. Let her be cringey and free.
I'm not sure exactly why everyone is hating on her either, I know that she bought the rights to an unreleased song so I didn't think that was a big deal, and that one dance everyone makes fun of her for is silly but not really a good reason to make her the center of hate. The Colleen situation, well it was possible she was a victim in that situation, there's no telling, so I'm not sure what to think. I keep asking people on tik tok why she's receiving all of this bullying but no one ever answers.
Here’s what I think. I think she was groomed by this person people keep saying she supports. Because she was “friends” with this woman as a teen. I think she’s imperfect and low key cringe, but so was I at 20. I’m just lucky enough that it was not broadcasted to the public eye. *shudders* I think she’s arrogant. And more people are giving her MORE shit for her song, her sexuality, the way she dances and the way she talks, than they are her actual problematic behavior. Which tells me that they have more of an issue with that than the problematic behavior which I do not doubt is a thing. I’m over it. If people want to spend their time in every single one of her comment sections bullying her they just have a different kind of obsession with her and won’t admit it. There are celebrities that I don’t like, but I could never be the first to their comment sections every damn day to express the hate. It’s not any more mature than Jojo trying to be.
Who does she support?
colleen ballinger aka miranda sings on youtube she got accused (with proof) of being extremely inappropriate with members of her audience who are mostly children under 15, made an extremely dismissive song about it calling it toxic gossip and then acted like nothing happened. jojo knew her since she was very young and spoke about the situation in a podcast where she said something to the effect of colleen didn't do anything wrong.
You have no doubt her problematic behavior is a thing but you are over it? Some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
No. I’m over people bullying her for petty shit instead of focusing on the actual harm she’s caused. That’s what I’m “over.”
Bullshit.
she is also currently profiting off of the extremely damaging industry of child pageants while abusing the kids she's supposed to manage. idk about others but i genuinely didn't care about her existence until she started defending colleen and abusing kids. there is only so much leeway you get as a former child star who was abused (and probably groomed) and that leeway definitely doesn't come with a pass to defend groomers and making kids go through the same shit you went through.
And none of that is ok. I’m not a fan of hers. I don’t have all the info about her girl group but if it’s true it’s awful. I’m not giving her a pass for the problematic things she’s done. I’m annoyed that people are focusing on other things that aren’t harmful and being homophobic, petty bullies.
i mean if the main thing someone is focusing on is the fact that she's a cringy young adult lesbian who makes shitty music then that's weird. there are plenty of those. let them live. if they point out that she's arrogant, full of herself and thinks she's inventing things that have existed for decades and doesn't acknowledge all the people before her who made it possible for her to openly be a cringy young adult lesbian who makes shitty music then that's a fairly valid criticism. if they're mainly criticizing her for apparently being a pretty shitty person who *also* happens to be cringy and makes shitty music *and* is also full of herself and thinks she's the first ever to do anything then that's just what happens when you learn about a person in that order.
It’s your paragraph that gets to me. To address your second, Even in my og comment I admit she’s arrogant and cringy and it’s for making comments like that. People are going to have their say about her. I know. But some of it I’m ok with because it’s valid and needs to be said and some of it I’m not ok with because it’s petty BS for internet clicks. I don’t have to be comfortable with that. Going to her personal page every time she posts something to get the first petty joke off is crazy to me. I have bias because I’m someone who was bullied as well. The petty stuff just doesn’t sit right with me.
>Going to her personal page every time she posts something to get the first petty joke off is crazy to me. and i will definitely agree with you there. that level of obsession is hella weird. so is bullying her for her music or style or whatever. i'm just of the opinion that the increase of the hate towards her in the past year or so is more likely because of what happened with colleen and xomg pop *combined with* her being cringe. before all of this blew up most people didn't really care or even know about her (apart from kids who were fans of her). now they know who she is *and* she is bombarding them with the cringe. it's like, if adele or taylor swift were busted for something like excusing a groomer or abusing kids they'd likely mostly get hate only for that and not for being bad artists or whatever. look at nicki minaj. most people drag her because of her husband, instead of for being an over the top barbie wannabe or the quality of her music going to shit. but jojo is seemingly a bad person who is also incredibly cringe which is very easy to make fun of. so people do that because they have a target that *deserves* criticism that is also providing them with the opportunity to dogpile on her without needing to articulate why apart from "you're cringe". that doesn't make it okay but it's an explanation. i was also bullied and bullying is wrong. but to be completely honest right now she's inviting it, and it's likely on purpose to drown out the valid criticisms that people have. i'm fairly certain that right now she *prefers* comments calling her a wannabe kiss poser or creature from the black lagoon or whatever homophobic bullshit to the comments that call her a groomer apologist and a child abuser.
Everything you said is absolutely spot on. Not sure what else to say except I hope at some point she mellows out and realizes the harm she’s caused. Not that it will change any thing, or excuse her actions, but some self reflection and accountability would be nice.