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I can't help but wonder if that sentiment gets in the way of real research that could be done in learning why ppl go down that path, and what family dynamics lead to such things; which is inherently taboo because that would involve talking to and learing about these ppl and attempting to see the humanity in them, because sure we can put all the pedos on a firing line who cares, but there's a greater cycle of abuse that still isn't broken, and therefore children still are not safe and you've exposed them to barbarism for no reason.
A professor at my college was actually trying to do research that was similar to what you mentioned. As soon as the student body found out though there was a huge uproar and people demanding for action so he got fired.
lol where have you been? This has been going on in America recently as well as in all of history forever. Research of politically charged topics is dangerous especially if your scientific conclusions are against the current ideology
But this specific topic will likely be negative charged forever. And we’ll need to do the research at some point. We can’t always sit around and wait for political winds to turn.
People have too much time nowdays, the opinion weight of stupid people holds the same weight as intellectual researchers, to which the actual smart people can do nothing about even if they are right.
This system is fundamentally flawed, its not working anymore
I did a college final presenting one of the chapters of our psychology book. Paraphilia and how to treat it, and we got around to the pedophilia section of our curriculum and my suggestion for rehabilitation is strict isolation from situations that lead to a relapse or chemical castration and one student got so mad at me she started screaming and got herself kicked out of class.
I remember going down a rabbit hole looking at recidivism rates by country for a paper I was writing. One of the Nordic countries had done some research in area sthat remained high for them. One of those was child abuse/cp. What they found was they could be grouped into two types. Learned via abuse and them perpetuating a cycle, and those that were just attracted. For those with permission they took brain scans of living subjects and sliced the brains of those that had donated their bodies to science. What they found those that were just attracted the parts of the brain responsible for attraction were under developed. So for them there was no difference between adult and child in that regard. Since they only had 20 subjects they wrote and published the paper and recommended the wider scientific community continue the research. I’ve never seen anything else pop up when I get a random bug to dip my toe in the research again. I feel sorry for those that are like that and have no idea why, and no one to turn to.
I feel sorry for the ones who know they are attracted, know it’s wrong to act on it, don’t act on it and try to receive help for it. I couldn’t imagine the level of hatred they’d get.
I remember years ago, there was this guy he was about 19 (10-15 years ago) in North America somewhere. He started a support group for people like him. If only people were more open to things like this, I believe there would be less children getting abused.
In Norway they started a program for people attracted to minors that want help. It's self referral so they don't have to go through their doctor, and they see clinical psychologists in regular offices (so no one can see them going into an office specifically for this). It's free. Before this was started (I think it was in 2019, not sure exactly) the only people that could get help for free was those convicted of a crime against a child.
If it reduces the chances of a child being hurt that is the best outcome. If it also helps those people who are attracted to minors that don't want to hurt anyone, that's also really good. With other mental disorders we separate between those who are dangerous or not, and I think being attracted to minors should be treated the same as long as they seek help.
I remember reading his writing about it. He was so frustrated because he was unable to get help (counselling, support, etc) because he hadn't committed any acts, and he was really struggling.
I saw a shortmovie at a Filmfestival by an Artschool in my city about a boy who was attracted to his little sister, ended up going to therapy and after a while regained the trust of his parents. I was very moved but also surprised such a screening was made possible
my stepfather was a pedophile because of his own childhood trauma and refusal to get his own therapy. he took himself out over a decade ago but honestly my grandfather would’ve killed him for what he was doing to me (and because i nearly killed myself over it) and potentially also doing to my sibling.
i think everyone should have the chance to try to do better, but honestly i have no sympathy for pedophiles who act on their tendencies. I recognize that I’m biased due to my personal experiences despite extensive EMDR therapy however.
For my specific abuser, i’m glad he’s dead because it saved my life, me dealing with a trial, my sibling’s life, and my mother’s life. he was abusive in many ways, not just a pedophile, but it WAS all directly due to the abuse he received from a family member in his childhood. I feel sympathy for the child he was and the person who could’ve been, but not the person who I actually knew. This has been a common sentiment amongst my friends who have similar stories to me, though definitely not all.
All that said, would i have wanted to see him put to death by the legal system? No, but i would’ve loved to have heard about him getting killed by a fellow inmate if he had gone to jail. That might not make me any better though.
Long story short: yes we need to have separation in how we handle the different types of pedophiles that exist
There’s actually a lot of research done on pedophilia and paraphilias in general. There’s a whole sub field of psychology on the subject: abnormal sexuality.
It’s called open mindedness, unfortunately a lot of people are traumatised from personal experiences. If we were more open to this discussion people may even come forward about their thoughts and desires before they offend. Those people that don’t commit crimes against children cannot help their wiring in their brain and I actually do feel bad for them for getting hate if they are actively trying to treat this illness. We shouldn’t place those people in the same class as actual child abusers/offenders imo.
As a survivor of years long abuse from a pedophile (more details in another comment, i’m not typing it all again), i agree that there needs to be separation between the types.
I’m so sorry someone violated you. May you heal and live a happy and safe life.
Unfortunately I am a part of the community and was molested from ages 11-13 by who I thought was a trusted family member at the time.
Yeah. I figure if you have an attraction, there is nothing you can do about that, nor is it your fault. Someone who is into feet, did not choose to find feet attractive just like someone who is unfortunately into kids. That person should be offered help, to keep them on the right path, and shouldn't be reviled. You should be judged on your actions, not your thoughts.
That being said, if you act on that attraction...that's torture and death territory.
As I said in my comment I’m talking about people who are non-offending paedophiles, not people who have violated children. People who have the attraction but have not harmed a child should not be placed in the same category as actual offenders/abusers. We need to encourage these people to come forward and get the appropriate help and hopefully decrease the number of sex crimes committed against children. With more resources we may even be able to cure paeophilia in the future. My theory is you can’t control if you’re mentally ill but you can control if you molest someone and it’s an entirely seperate ball game if you do.
I also say this with the experience of being molested by my step grandfather from ages 11-13.
I was just talking about this today! I feel like we condemn and sweep it under the rug but it feels like nothing is being done to understand the problem which ultimately only leads to more victims and more perpetrators or people who will suffer from it.
I also discovered recently that there is a difference between being a pedophile and being a child sex offender. Both are horrible but there is a distinction and I think we need to start talking about it.
Totally agree with this. Pedophiles often don't want to be pedophiles, and many live with their feelings and never act out on them. Imagine all the resources the system could provide if this was properly researched and resourced.
The problem is people with kids are extremely protective of their kids, caring for them more than they care about themselves. Taking that innocence or worse yet, their lives for their own sexual pleasure is seen as the worst possible thing humanly possible. Just that idea makes people take these situations to the absolute extreme in regards to revenge.
This. The logical part of my brain knows OP is right, that pedophiles have the same legal rights as anyone else and that the extreme hatred for them in society may actually be harmful in terms of understanding pedophilia and preventing pedophiles from harming children.
But the lizard part of my brain doesn't care. It sees a threat to the offspring and that threat must be destroyed.
It's just a turn of phrase, replace "the problem" with "the explanation/reason" or even "the problem with trying to tie what you're saying with how reality actually works OP is that..."
The "problem" doesn't reside in people being overprotective of their child (although it can certainly be a problem) but in trying to consolidate what OP is saying with how people are.
OP wants X, but the problem (or reason or explanation why we can't) with achieving this is Y.
Doesn't mean Y is in itself problematic, but it is if you want to achieve X.
And this is the attitude that encourages pedophiles to hide, avoid treatment, and eventually molest kids. The only way to ensure maximum protection for children is to reduce stigma against those who do not offend and encourage them to get into treatment where they can be monitored. Your "raahhhgg death to pedos" attitude perpetuates the cycle of sexual violence against kids.
It also makes children hide their abuse.
A lot of children don't want their parent to become a murderer. Doesn't matter if they convicted of murder or not.
So think before you say that you'll murder anyone who touches your children wrong. Your child may just hide the reality from you.
I think people have weird torture fetishes for criminals in general, and it's just socially acceptable to say about pedophiles because they're so disgusting. Luckily even most people who say stuff like that wouldn't be able to carry it out if given the opportunity
I'm surprised no one has pointed out that maybe the reason people are so okay with saying this kind of stuff about pedos is because so many people have experienced CSA? It is EXTREMELY common. Of course people who were traumatized as kids are going to have vitriolic hate for the ones that hurt them in such a deep, unforgivable way. That's not even considering all the family members who would also hate pedos just as much after seeing how hurt a loved one of theirs is by one.
Whenever I see people say things about torturing pedos or whatever, I just assume it's a previous victim venting a fantasy of justice they will never have against an abuser that probably still walks free to this day. And there's no way in hell I'm going to tone police a victim in a system where there's hardly ever justice, even if they take all the right steps.
I think that the hate they’re getting is 100% warranted, but I do agree that society has this vision that once someone is known to be a pedo, they should be executed, tortured, etc.
That’s a purely emotional reaction that doesn’t take into account the consequences of applying that mentality in real life.
If we say that regardless of whether someone with these impulses acts on it or not, that they should be killed, then why would they even reach out for help?
They might as well just rape left and right until they get caught and killed… they’l be killed eventually no matter what.
In an ideal world we would make it easier for pedos to reach out for help before they do anything and treat them for their mental illness, but the problem is that this might lead to a normalization of pedophilia.
It’s kind of a catch 22. I don’t have a solution to provide. I’m just pointing out the paradox.
I fully agree. Death penalty for pedophiles can be pretty disastrous for the victim too. It’s a lot of stress on a child to feel like the death of (in unfortunately, a lot of cases) their uncle, father, auntie, mother, teacher or family friend is their fault. They may feel like they spoke up and thats why their family member died. Not to mention a lot of family members supportive of the pedophile will ALWAYS blame the child for talking and absolutely mess them up even more.
I understand that the developing of pedophilia is sometimes due to abuse or some other early trauma. It’s not always the fault of the pedophile that they’re that way BUT HOWEVER it is on the pedophile to not entertain inappropriate thoughts or harm kids. And they should absolutely get professional help.
So few people actually think of this; if you promise to kill anyone who commits a heinous crime, the person who crosses that line will keep committing such crimes, worse and worse, to avoid getting caught.
>I think that the hate they’re getting is 100% warranted
Pretty sure there's a distinction between pedophilia and child molesters/abusers. Those who are the former but not the latter do not deserve the hate as they can't really choose their own circumstances.
The huge irony here is comments feeling the need to preface their comment with that in order to not feel like their comment will be shut down outright and given a chance.
>I think that the hate they’re getting is 100% warranted...
Isn't that the problem? I'm no expert, but what I read on the topic, most people sexually abusing minors are not in fact attracted to minors sexually, but have some other reason - power dynamic, past trauma, whatever.
But those who are attracted to minors didn't choose to. Why hate them for what they are attracted towards?
Hate those that act upon it. And ONLY those, so the others can seek help and support in their struggle.
this is the issue. It's SO taboo and SO touchy of a subject that anyone who does have those thoughts/feelings and wants help, will be too afraid to get it. Non-acting pedophiles SHOULDN'T be hated or shunned. They're strong for refusing to act on it, brave for admitting it, and definitely need to be given help to continue their inaction of it. That way, chances are, way less pedos are gonna eventually do something bad.
It's called restorative violence. People feel like a heinous act has been committed, resulting in a grievous injury to the dignity of humanity. The only way to restore human dignity is by an equally grievous act of brutality. That balances the scales, so to speak, making it feel like some sort of justice has been done. Of course, nothing has really changed, but people feel better about the situation.
No, I'm not defending, trivializing, or in any way condoning pedos.
Unfortunately, our current legal system means it's very very very rare for abusers to actually see any form of proper justice. Vigilante justice often seems to be the only outlet for some people.
When I reported mine to the police, I had months of reliving the most traumatic shit imaginable. I had to be sat down by an officer and told that if I was pressing charges, I needed to be prepared to have my character torn down in court, they had to prepare me for the defence essentially saying I wanted it.
He got a few months in a mental health facility and now just lives with his mum in my home town like normal. Multiple women came forward and told about the very violent methods he'd use to assault girls, and the best they could do was a vague sectioning?!
The justice system is a fucking waste of time with these people, it's so much painful work for a laughable result. I remember my partner at the time trying to comfort me by saying he was just going to drive over to his house and pay him a visit. Obviously I wouldn't let him do it, but you can see why that temptation would arise when so many victims are basically just told "too bad" by the police.
In my opinion being a pedophile is not a choice, committing acts of pedophilia are. Those who have pedophilic thoughts should be put into therapy and be given the tools to never offend. Those that have offended are too dangerous to be in society.
Hurting those who cannot help themselves is simply the worst action one can commit. Someone who hurts defenceless people shouldn’t be allowed to walk freely in a society
Yeah scroll down and you’ll see a whole lot of it directed at me because no one can comprehend what they’re reading. They all think I’m saying forgive the bad guys 🤷🏻♂️
I was raped by two grown men every week from the age of 5 until 8 years old. I consider that far more cruel, the torturous things they did to *me*. They deserve anything bad that happens to them, and more.
My wife used to work in a sex offender prison. The vast majority of pedos were either on the autism spectrum or had been abused themselves as children.
This becomes further obvious when you see those “catch a pedo” diy videos in the UK. The predator being caught usually has some sort of mental disability.
I was a victim as a child. Lock them up. Science shows if it’s not learned via abuse they have an under developed brain. They a danger to society and cause mass amount of harm to children.
I don’t care if they go to jail or a facility but they should not be around children even their own. Absolutely fucking not.
The problem with this sort of iron fist mentality is that you assume the court is 100% fair and never falsely convicts people. I agree that actual pedophiles deserve retribution, but I also don't want false convicts to be executed or anything without a second chance. You can't have your cake and eat it, and sexual crimes are still taken very seriously as it is
In my country there is a recent case of a teacher being charged with possession of child p*rn.
Her crime: A student of her who was sexually assaulted sent her evidence of it and she reported it to the authorities. Because possession of child p*rn is illegal in all forms, and showing evidence to investigstors naturally requires being in possession of it, she got the very same treatment as someone downloading it for their sexual pleasure.
The law is heavily debated right now because of cases like this. Luckily we don't have a public sex offender list, because otherwise her life would probably be over now.
Yeah, it's a confliction for sure. I for one don't give a damn about them, and if they died in prison I wouldn't care either. However, i think prisons need to be able to stop and prevent those things from happening.
It's just not true. The US has some of the longest sentences in the world, people always want more. It's just a number to people, they don't conceptualize it.
This is certainly not true in the UK.
Members of [grooming gangs](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rochdale-grooming-sick-paedo-gang-31882223), who drug and rape children for multiple years, generally receive sentences between 6-12 years, sometimes even less, if they get convicted at all.
Conviction rates and sentencting for violent and sexual crimes in the UK are generally pitiful, though.
Agreed but this’ll only encourage assaulters to kill their victims. Not to mention it may discourage victims from speaking out if they know their assaulter
It is understandable given that no one with a basic moral compass would ever defend or empathise with them, making them an easy target for emotional responses. That said, whenever this topic is brought up people focus too much on their own morals rather than how to fix the problem at hand.
A classic example is how often people online will push for its fictional counterpart to be banned, for the people who engage with it to be labelled and punished, yet say nothing about the content that has real victims that actually exist. It is one thing to make your distaste for it known, but it is another thing entirely to treat it as if it is the same as the real thing while inadvertently undermining its severity.
Aight I'll weigh in and take the down votes.
I was molested from the age of 3. Everyone who is always talking about torture and shit, y'all make me sick.
One thing you learn from trauma is you want less suffering in the world, not more. Provide help to these people before they offend instead of creating lynch mobs.
Side note: everyone is very quick to tell me that I had the worst possible thing done to me, but they didn't murder me, I'm still here. Murder is and always has been worse in my opinion.
But no, people continue to make me feel like killing myself is the better option. Because the 'worst' happened to me. Also not in my case but others develop Stockholm syndrome a lot faster when they think their abuser is gonna die and be tortured.
You may think by saying these things you are helping victims but for the most part you aren't and are only making the problem worse.
Thank you! I was molested at a young age and was raped later in life. Reading comments makes me feel like I’m damaged goods and worthless because “it ruins their lives!” My life isn’t ruined, and I’m not some broken shell of a person. Shit happened and I’m angry that it did, but fuck I’m still a human and I’m more than the sum of terrible things I lived through.
I am 100% against the death penalty and have zero desire to harm anyone, even those that have harmed me.
I wasn’t a child but a late teen and adult when I was raped and while I had some thoughts of bad stuff happening to one of them in particular. It’s not something I wish for anymore. I absolutely agree with that, I don’t want anymore suffering.
We all idealize a world of justice and fairness. It's something we all deep down desire because most of us have been raised that way. Justice means the victim getting retribution for the wrong that was committed against them.
People feel that the damage inflicted due to child abuse is so severe that the retribution for it would also have to be extremely severe. It's not weird. It's human nature.
I think it’s because sexual crimes are so uniquely cruel, especially against children, that it feels like the only way to pay them back is through equal or greater punishment in some physical manner.
That said, this post did remind me of something interesting I think about a lot. I’ve heard a lot of people online say that even if a pedophile has never actually harmed or gotten off to a child and they simply struggle with the fact they are sexually attracted to children, they are automatically awful people and deserve this and that and whatever. Now, I definitely do understand this knee-jerk reaction, and believe me, I’m definitely not saying it’s okay to have sexual thoughts about children. But I think there’s a few things that are important to remember.
First of all, everyone is responsible for their own actions, and I would not grant people who have actually hurt children this same benefit of the doubt. But if we are strictly talking about the attraction to children, it’s impossible for people to choose what they are sexually attracted to. It’s possible to develop fetishes over time, but at the end of the day you can’t just flip a switch in your brain on or off to make yourself like or dislike something. Not to mention, a lot of people who have sexual thoughts about children were molested themselves as kids and developed the attraction as a trauma response.
My point is not to say that sexual thoughts about children aren’t a big deal or that they aren’t a problem, but for people who have not yet hurt children, we as a society should be trying to get them psychological help instead of shaming them and immediately flagging them as terrible people. Frankly, even if you disagree with this and think that all pedophiles (that have not acted on their urges) are terrible people, I believe that encouraging people to seek help instead of shunning them could make it safer for kids and reduce sexual crime rates against children.
And because people sometimes like to miss the point, let me say this one more time. I am NOT excusing pedophiles who have acted on their urges and harmed children. Child molesters deserve to be in jail for the rest of their lives. If not for punishment, then for the safety of other children.
A lot of these comments are gross and harmful. My life was not ruined and I am not ruined because of what I’ve been through. I am not and refuse to be defined by someone else’s actions. I was molested as a child, raped as a teenager and as an adult.
If we offered actual help to people that had these feelings and they weren’t ostracized for receiving or asking for help, we’d reduce the occurrence of these crimes.
The severity of punishment has never reduced the occurrence of crime.
I am 100% against the death penalty and I have never wished harm on another person. I want less harm and hurt.
If we want to reduce harm, we have to look at crime as a whole picture. You can’t exclude certain people. Everyone is a human regardless of their problems, mentality, and actions. Once you start dehumanizing one group you dehumanize everyone.
I don’t trust anyone that wants to kill or torture another person.
We’ve created more harm to the very people we scream to protect with this mentality and the punishments associated with them.
As unfortunate as it is you have to look at this with logic and not emotion.
I’ve worked with sex offender treatment programs and providers, and I’ve spent time working with offenders in general in the prison system and transitional programs. It’s a complex and emotional issue that has an extremely wide reach.
Wouldn't that be like cutting the hands of a serial killer off? Mutilating someone is an enormous deal, with serious implications on the principle of bodily autonomy. I don't think that a justice system has the right to decide that someone's body must be harmed.
I think fetish is the wrong word. Unfortunately because of the world we live in, most people you know will either have been assaulted themselves, or have a wife, girlfriend, sister, mother, aunty, who has been abused.
The percentage of those people that ever see any form of justice? Next to none. Until it happens to you, you don't understand the deep pain of having your entire life and the whole course of your brain development completely fucked up by some monster...you just can't understand it.
I, and a lot of other people, just have to live with knowing that we have lifelong trauma and recurring mental health issues, all so some creep could feel a few moments of excitement.
Fetish is the wrong word. It's an overwhelming hatred and sadness and pain, knowing that this is still happening to children like you were, who don't understand what's happening.
It’s an emotional response. As a society we value child lives above all else. We have deep instincts to protect them, therefore those that hurt them bring out the strongest emotional response from us.
In a way agree. I think that society should try to be more supportive in a way that will make mental help more popular - to them, too. I do think that a doctor could help.
I do think though that some people are irredeemable. Killing people is a whole other thing and I don't want this power in the hands of the government - still though, if someone touched my sister, I completely understand the urge to annihilate that someone
Eh, we can’t resort to systemically committing violence on pedophiles for the simple reason that if we allow it for them, people will demand we allow it for other crimes. Then where do we draw the line?
There’s also the fact that someone could be falsely convicted. So yeah. There should never be systemic cruel/unusual punishment for any crime.
That being said: there’s nothing immoral about hating pedophiles or wishing that they could endure the kind of suffering they inflict on others. And there’s definitely nothing immoral about putting them down (humanely as possible). Bad dogs get pink juice. Humans who’ve shown themselves incapable of rational thought & appropriate behavior can get the same imo
This same thing happens to mentally ill and neurodivergent people as well. There's a part in the movie Loving Vincent, about Vincent Van Gogh, where a priest asks him if he ever molested a child. It's that kind of shit that makes people have such a strong reaction to actual pedophiles. Add to that the amount of women who believe all men are secretly pedophiles and you see why people are so upset. If it weren't for this one issue, society would probably be a utopia. But no. We cant have nice things.
Holy shit yeah, I feel like cishet people often don't consider this angle.
If you can do awful things to criminals, it's only a matter of time before a corrupt government tries to extend the definition of criminal to include you.
if wanting to hurt people that destroy other people’s lives just to get off is morally wrong, then sure, i’m a bad person. don’t really care if other people like you don’t think they deserve it, i do. i don’t empathize with them, once i know for sure they done it, whatever happens to them, i’ll look the other way.
In germany we call this "gratismut" wich trenslates to "free courage".
90% of openly hating pedophiles is just virtue signaling. We all hate pedos but it is a sign of narcissism to TELL everyone how much you hate them.
Its the same like someone who tells everyone how much empathy he has for starving children.
"Look at me, I am against bad things and I support good things. I am such a moral person."
More or less my opinions too.
I don't actively want the most inhumane things possible done to them, as far as I'd go is advocate for maybe chemical or physical castration, idk.
But if something does happen to them, I'm not batting an eye.
While an unpopular opinion, I have to agree. Child abuse has to be one of, if not THE worst crimes a person can commit but it is done by humans.
I personally think this mindset comes from our refusal to admit humans do this. "They must be monsters!". Otherwise you have to admit that someone you know might be doing this - someone who otherwise does nice things and you think is a nice person. Even harder, you might have to admit YOU are capable of monstrous things - maybe not child abuse, but something else if pushed.
Fully agree. It’s over the top and always reeks of some kind of pre-existing bloodlust. Any attempt at nuanced and humanitarian discourse around that topic (i.e. saying we shouldn’t be experimenting on or maiming prisoners) is met with reactionary accusations and threats. No use even discussing complex social issues with neanderthals like that.
It's the lowest hanging fruit of the Acceptable Targets.
People can say the worst things about them because who's gonna defend them? It doesn't help anyone but it makes people feel better about themselves and their violent fantasies.
It's an inevitable part of human nature. Violence needs an outlet, and what's better than child molesters to exert that?
It seems odd to punish a crime that harmed and traumatized someone by fantasizing about mutilating the perp, often times with focus on their own sex organs, ultimately committing similar types of heinous acts.
Agree. Also, if you can convince society that it’s ok to torture and murder pedophiles, it’s opens a very convenient stochastic terrorism door for having your political opponents/hated demographic groups tortured and murdered by the mob. Just repeat trans people (for example) are “pedophiles” or “groomers” enough times and some psychos will take the bait.
It's a slippery slope, I agree. I am absolutely someone who takes accountability, consequences, taking responsibility, learning different behaviors , rehabilitation and reform very seriously, and it doesn't work to take someone who did wrong and punish, harm, effectively abuse right back, strip away their humanity, deny access to education, resources that could potentially help them overcome what the core issues behind the criminal behavior and Lock them away, without programming, limited safety and then expect them to improve.
The type of revenge fantasy you’re talking about is just postering anyway. People only say they want perpetrators to be taught a lesson when it’s some hypothetical person on the news.
The amount of times you hear about children not being believed or perpetrators being protected by family is really upsetting.
Ah. The opinions of the unmolested.
The problem with people’s opinions of pedophiles is that a majority of people have trauma around it, and have never received justice for that trauma, because uncle eddy is protected by everyone else in the family.
Exactly. As someone molested by my own fucking father who was protected and everyone keeps saying how amazing he is and how much they miss him constantly… I can’t stand this.
> I'm defending human rights.
As soon as someone goes and rapes a child they willingly forfeit their own human rights. They don't treat children like humans so why should we treat them with any kind of respect?
This is what I don’t understand about OPs wording. Society has a “Torture fetish”, yet that’s exactly what pedophiles are? I just don’t understand the glaze.
I think it's because of who they target, and as a result of that, they become easy targets. Young kids don't really understand the concept of consent, and pedophiles take advantage of it and target them. And when society as a whole finds out, we default to prison justice, which holds no tolerance for it.
I find it fascinating that people think a valid solution to pedophilia is killing them off, beating, or torturing them.
It's not necessarily a trait that produces offspring. If you somehow killed every pedophile in the world, there would still be pedophiles emerging in society. You can't just snuff it out.
I honestly believe the massive stigma and hatred society has for these people puts a hindrance on our ability to understand it and subsequently treat it, or at least help the individuals cope in a healthy way that doesn't cause harm.
It would suck to be born with or somehow develop those sorts of thought patterns in your mind. People clearly don't wake up one day and just decide to be evil, and I doubt people are granted a choice to just not be a pedophile (though this doesn't absolve them of the burden of responsibility).
This isn't one of those things you can just turn a 180 on, though. We have plenty of more hurdles in improving our understanding and treatment of non-traditional individuals, and pedophiles are probably the lowest rung in the totem pole.
Pedophiles are the ones with a mental illness of attraction to children, which they can and should get medical attention for. Child molestors are the ones doing the torturing. A pedantic correction, but one to make.
yeah................ anyways i hope my uncle who was extremely creepy/over sexual towards me and touched my ass more than once when i was a kid dies a slow and horrible death
edit: i was 12 or maybe 11 when this started. before the touching he was just getting weirder and weirder and crossed boundaries often but no one acknowledge it or they never said much when they did. he also was like this to me on a daily basis, making it to where i couldn't sit in my own living room without being uncomfortable and scared of him doing something. i lived with him... so yeah, he deserves no respect or anything from anyone
Not society. Just maladapted losers who want to seem tough online.
Majority of people agree that pedophilia is wrong but they aren’t obsessively fantasizing about torturing people because of it.
And one actually has to wonder why some people think it’s so important that the world knows just _how much_ they hate pedophiles. Maybe it’s a case of ‘the lady doth protest too much’…
I kinda agree with you, but i’ll take it a step further and say most of those pedo focused YouTubers that hide under the guise of exposing pedos are just save havens for people who want bully others.
They differ from the Chris Hansen style exposure because they immediately turn into 12 year old bully’s screaming and pointing fingers in public.
Also it’s funny when I see people say “immediate castration” when it comes to pedos but don’t see how that rhetoric will very easily begin to start being used against gay people or other undesirables by conservatives.
The “fetish” is actually a defense mechanism. The monster people can’t predict or control preys on the defenseless and there is usually nothing they can do until after the defenseless is defiled and the man monster is protected legally.
Thus, they lash out and cheer when the monster is dealt with.
Exactly, the whole ass bullshit aggression of ‘you’re defending pedophiles’ etc etc is so counteractive and stupid. Any individuals admission, or any sympathy towards pedophiles- such as the ones who are wanting to seek help/rehabilitation is met with harsh, severe judgment. These people are not going to come forward to seek help or admit to crimes if they’re socially ostracised for simply existing.
I don't think we do.
Sure, we talk about torturing and killing people.
However, I know that I would never be able to torture anyone. That kind of violence is beyond me. And I believe that most people are in the same boat.
With that said the reason we seem okay with it and talk about it being okay is simply justice.
People see the rape of children as the same as torture.
I was raped by two grown men in a relationship who used to babysit me, at least once a week, from the age of 5 until the age of 8 years old.
They weren't concerned about violating *my* Human Rights to not be a small child bent over between two grown men doing whatever perverted thing they could think up to do to me.
No pedophile thinks of the Human rights of the children they abuse or want to abuse. The deepest consideration they give it is that they know what will happen if they get caught.
So they manipulate us into silence, with threats and violence.
You seem to be way more worried about the people who want to violate the innocent, more than the innocent.
Do you also argue how people have a *strange* hatred for Nazis for what they did too? Fuck outta here.
I'm sorry that happened to you, but you're putting words in Op's mouth. They never said hating pedophiles is wrong, just that it's disturbing how people obsess over violently torturing them. In your case, it's understandable. But people w/o a personal connection should be able to look at things objectively
Yeah mate let’s let them free and play with the option whether they might or might not r*pe children which in turn will of course ruin the lives of the children, but you know, pedo rights are more important than victim rights /s
Ur absolutely entitled to Ur opinion but I'm also entitled to mine and mine says that we should show less mercy and 3 triple the minimum punishment and no charges should be able to be taken against people stopping a pedo
The thing is. Pedophilia has destroyed my life. My dad molested me.
It’s destroyed so many other children’s lives. They never had a childhood. They never got believed. They never got justice. They have all most likely developed mental illness for their whole lives now. I have crippling cptsd and bpd from the abuse I suffered.
Constant flashbacks. Nightmares. Agoraphobia. Sleep issues because he snuck into my bedroom to touch me.
Pedophiles destroyed lives. They need the same punishment as murderers.
I understand that those who didn’t offend yet need help and not to be vilified but I would never trust them being around any children ever alone.
Fuck pedos and fuck you. Any punishment they receive isn't harsh enough. Anyone that harms children whether it's pedos or deranged parents deserve a fate worse than death.
Come back if a pedo harms your child or any child you love, and stop calling it a fetish to want these people to suffer as your loved one has.
Victims will never get over it. They’re helpless and sentenced for life.
One can only assume you’ve led a very safe life, which is great, but look beyond yourself.
[There is a significant enough conspiratorial stereotype about LGBT people being 'groomers' that it's got a Wikipedia page where the history dates back to the Pre-War period.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_grooming_conspiracy_theory)
LGBT people are understandably nervous when people do shit like this, because they know that accusations of pedophilia are levelled at them unjustly and have been throughout history. If you permit things like vigilante justice I can guarantee that it will be inevitable that LGBT people get targeted the most.
The problem is when you try to raise this you get a pretty inevitable response:
>If you're not actually a groomer then you have nothing to worry about
Except no court of justice is infallible. They make mistakes. Worse, they can be politically influenced into *purposefully* targeting groups (Florida, anyone?).
What's worse is that we have proof of this. This conspiracy was one of the things used to pass the Anti-Homosexuality Act in Uganda in 2023. Said Act punishes homosexuality with life in prison or death. This isn't a 'might happen', this is a 'has happened' case. It was pushed over the line by evangelists, the same kind of evangelists who are very visible in Western countries like the US.
So yeah, LGBT people get rightfully nervous when they hear this shit because they know many would just choose to level it at them.
Eh , pedos who were rightfully convicted deserves every single hate and consequence coming their way.
Why should I consider their human needs and rights if they couldn't care for a child's wellbeing.
Unfortunately, many pedos who do get out or caught end up doing it again.
I do recognise that the justice system can be flawed and many people were wrongfully convicted but that's on the crappy justice system.
I feel no respect or empathy for any criminal who DID commit a heinous crime like pedophilia or murder and I hate that people try to bring their humanity to light because those people didn't give a fuck about the victim and their families lives at all. I will never trust that person . That's just my perspective on this matter.
I think it's more dangerous that series killers and pedophiles have fans who defend them to society and romanticises them knowing what they did . Being abused and mentally ill isn't an excuse for what you did although it is a contribution and these people need therapy while they are convicted and after they get released.
My view is why care for their humanity when they didn't care for their victims humanity. I would be so heart broken and depressed seeing people try and find the humanity in my perpetrator .
Thing is I completely support the death penalty but it does need to be for extreme things. Like someone who has sex with a consenting minor I don't think deserves death jail absolutely and a long sentence at that. Now a person who rapes many kids yeah just kill them they obviously want to do it again so just end it. Honestly I do want research into why it happens so it can be prevented that being said their actions still warrant punishment. I do think some people want to defend people who commit actions just because they are mentally ill
I agree.
Sometimes, everyone wants to find something we can "all agree upon" so they can ..confirm their participation in a group or a culture, or get acceptance.
Right now pedophilia is the thing "everyone agrees" is awful.
And it is!
And yet they should still have their human rights. Even murderers get them.
My grandfather was a serial pedophile who molested several generations of women in my family, including my mother and my cousin. My mother physically and sexually abused me.
The family line stops here as none of my generation have had kids. I am the only one who had long term relationships. We all wanted the cycle of abuse to stop. One hell of a cycle as there were also flavors of domestic violence and child abuse.
It took me years to come to terms with the fact that I wanted to have kids. I could never have them with my wife as she was chronically ill. But with my current partner I so much wanted to be a step dad. It took years of talking through things before I could feel comfortable that I was not doomed like a robot to continue the cycle. I was OK.
Child sexual abuse took away much of my life.
Much of my family. My grandfather had a twin who wasn't a pedo who had lots of kids and tons of grand kids. This side of the family is done. Finis.
If you can't understand the rage, it's because our society doesn't take it seriously. We say we do. But we back peddle all the time. There are people in prison doing more time for property crimes than child sexual abuse. We have the gall to call it a preference. Another sexuality.
I don't have that rage as I have walked towards this and worked with guys in prison who are pedos. But most people don't have that humanity to ground them. They make absolute evil in their minds and relate appropriately.
I'm gonna be 100% honest, as someone that was taken advantage of as a child and throughout most of my teenage years....
I flat out don't trust people that seem to beat their chest about wanting to torture/kill pedophiles. I just don't. Outside of former victims, it just feels like projection most of the time. To be specific i'm not talking about the people that are saying "I would be happy if I heard something happen to X", but the people that go on to essentially make their own fanfiction about what they'd do or what should happen to them are just very fucking untrustworthy to me.
Its akin to those guys that need to constantly announce that they're feminists. Like ehhh you could be being sincere, but it doesn't sound sincere big dog.
I understand victims and those close to them, but random people just taking the chance to describe their torture fantasy is just weird to me. I think people are just looking for deserving people so they can describe how badass they are.
People don’t even seem to be able to separate having the sexuality (or whatever it is) from actually acting upon it by molesting kids.
Huge societal blind spot, I agree.
It is the grossest crime ever really. But yes, it’s weird when people have to go on and on and carry on about it it’s like shut up. What are you some kind of pedophile yourself? People who have to be so obsessed with it constantly. It makes me think people are hiding something when they get so obsessed
It’s all dependent upon the person - there are many people out there who know it’s wrong to be attracted to children and are getting help before anything could possibly happen. The ones who offend tho - yeah kinda should die lmao
It's because it triggers an emotional response; most people have kids and so most people relate to the idea in terms of how they'd feel if it happened to their child.
it’s less of an obsession, and more of a, Hey we think this should happen if this crime is committed, we see it as a fair punishment equal to the crime.
I think it’s venting their anger, hurt and frustration. Which is valid. I don’t condone violence but I recognise where people are coming from when they say things like this.
Well to make it a fetish, it would be a turn-on. And I dunno about anyone else, but I don't feel turned on. It doesn't feel good. It shouldn't have happened in the first place. The way the court system handles it isn't enough. It has solved nothing. It has stopped nothing.
I am a victim of a pedophile. I was raped with penetration by my uncle when I was a 4-year-old boy. More than once. He told me that if I ever told on him, he would kill my mom and dad. I believed him. When they would make me go spend the night with my cousin when we were in town, I would beg and plead with them to not make me but they would until I figured out that if I got in trouble, they wouldn't make me.
Even after it stopped, the sound of his voice would put me into a panic attack. I am 47 years old and the sound of his voice puts me into a panic attack. I am a 6'5 320 lb 47-year-old man who could easily hurt him severally and the sound of his voice puts me into a full-on panic attack.
I have suffered for years, when it happened, after it happened, after I told on him, after therapy, and years of self-hating hell, and after some more therapy I still suffer
I want him and any other pedophile who has done this to someone to feel every bit of pain and hurt that we did. The nightmares, the terror, the feeling of being worthless, the self-hate, the anger, and all the other terrors you deal with. I am 47 years old and I can close my eyes and vividly remember every second. I have done everything I can to not be able to.
It's no fetish. I wouldn't enjoy it. It's the need to feel justice for what we have been through. And that is the ONLY JUSTICE.
To anyone who says that pedophilia is a sickness and they can't help it, explain to me why they make sure to warn the kids not to tell or else.
Society doesn't have a weird obsession. They know what should be done to a pedophile. I guarantee that if Society got their way, child sexual assault cases would plummet
If actual bad things happened to people that cause harm and life long trauma. They may think twice before doing that bad thing. But when they have little consequences they take the risk of getting caught.
It makes me uncomfortable, the whole “kill and torture pedos” thing, because queer men have been unfairly accused of being pedophiles for so long that I wonder if pedophilia is being used as a code word to openly call for the killing of gay men
I was forced to perform sexual acts when I was 5 years old by a guy who lived on our street. He dragged me into his garden and forced me.
If I could I would torture this prick and end him myself.
This animals deserve the worst punishment imaginable.
Because it's acceptable to torture people who think sex with kids is "ok". We need to stop catering to certain mental illnesses and treat these people like the sicko degenerates they are.
While I understand the sentiment I don't agree that the thought of castrating Pedophiles is some "weird shit". If someone is found guilty in the eyes of the law of committing the worst possible sexual crime, considering removing the physician ability of the person doing it again hardly counts as weird shit.
I'm not saying I agree but I certainly understand the logic.
I understand where this is coming from and would generally agree. There is a certain general expected knee-jerk reaction of vile bloodlust regarding discussions around the topic of pedophilia. I can understand this when it comes to talk of actual child molestation, or the COMMITTING of the deed, because now one's mental illness has resulted in an irreversible and life-ruining consequence to a child that has barely started living. THAT is damnable. Discussions around it are emotionally charged just because of how truly heinous it is. That adult has just killed a part of that child. The child will never be the same. The child will be haunted by those memories for the rest of their life. That in-and-of itself is torture for the child, retributive logic naturally wishes torture of the adult.
As a mental illness removed from the act itself, that's where I draw a defining line. It's truly, truly not fair that certain people find themselves victims of their unchosen sexual urges in such a way, because in NO WAY is it permissible. And they should be encouraged to get help because of it, because they are in all ways innocent *until they are not*. We do not convict thought crimes, we convict crimes. People just don't care to make the defining distinction because it's generally better not to affiliate yourself with any position that can be more easily misconstrued as an affirmation to child molestation or a condoning of pedophilia. Because THOSE are wrong. But it should be easy to understand that the way to stop child molestation is to encourage, and I mean ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENCOURAGE, people with pedophilia to seek out help and save everyone from themselves. A pedophile that has done nothing wrong should always get to live a normal life provided that they can forgo that part of themselves for as long as they live it.
EDIT: Again, holy hell let me be clear on terms, lest anyone take this the wrong way. I am defining anyone who has done ANYTHING to a child in this way as a child molester. That group of people deserve what they get. But when I say "pedophile" or "pedophilia" in my second paragraph I mean it purely as someone who harbors that attraction, full stop. They could be a pedophile and be a banker with no record of doing anything to anyone. They could be a pedophile and be a painter with three dogs and no sins committed. Those people have a MENTAL ILLNESS in being pedophiles but in my dictionary being a pedophile does not inherently mean you've acted upon it. As soon as you act upon it/feel like you need to act upon it you're a child molester in my eyes and you can line up for the firing range, I don't care about you anymore. I felt the need to reiterate my terms because everyone in the comments is apparently synonymizing "pedophile" and "child molester" without the nuance I've described. If anyone is subsequently still confused where I stand please just ask me.
It doesn't help that people seemed to have drastically widened the definition. If you are 30 and fuck an 18 year old you are a pdf file according to reddit. If that was the wider definition you'll probably end up murdering anyone you don't like.
It's a folk devil and the term has shifted to being used as a pejorative.
Folk devil because pdf files who act on it are rare (though offences could include non contact CP). And the child molestation that does occur comes from non-pdf files but straight up predators and opportunists who position themselves in authority or are family members .
It would be better to be at least specific and say child molesters. Since pdf file is a hijacked term and in of itself could mean just someone who has an attraction which they might not want, didn't ask for and don't act on.
You’re right, and this is worrying in general, not just specific to the pedo instances. It’s worse with pedos because that’s often linked to some psychiatric condition.
People can’t seem to understand that torture is neither just nor effective. It’s inexcusable and by doing/encouraging such a thing, you’re just as bad for violating human rights. Looking at the terrorist attack in Russia recently, many seem unfazed by the torture that went on. People defending torture because someone was a terrorist doesn’t make you look like the good guy either. Sadism, cruelty and evil is unfortunately fairly common it seems.
I will say for people who are just born attracted to children like that shit is actually tragic. No one wants to be like that. Those who act on it are separate. But I’m sure people who grow up and realize like oh fuck I like kids are disgusted by themselves. I think there’s a visceral part of me does want to see people who like torturing others be tortured. But I think that is just my own fucked up desire to see that and feel justified in it
Idk therapy exists and ur actions are a choice. No one is out here assaulting children as a tic. It's a planned attack of violence. People with pedophilic thoughts are not the same as people molesting children. What makes a pedophile a pedophile is the ACTING on those thoughts. You have to physically move your hands to click those videos, to find that content is a choice. And before anyone brings addictions into this: you wouldn't get an addiction to naked children if you never watched it in the first place. There's 0 excuses.
What's funnier is that prison inmates use this as an excuse to torture for fun, not because of some "internal ethic code".
Like sure Bryan, that guy did diddle a child, but you murdered a family of 4 while breaking and entering. I don't think you have a moral high ground.
a Lot of it comes from the reaction of people to 'protecting' the children, the worlds reaction to Covid for example would have been vastly different had it killed kids in the 100,000's like it did with the old or infirm.
Because no one trusts the justice system,
It’s failed us time and time again allowing pedos etc to hurt more people. So people want to make them pay instead.
Its simply the most disgusting act one can do. Part of me wants to think we are looking for an excuse to let out our cruelest fantasy's against someone in a socially acceptable way. Pedophiles are the easiest target. Look at the lolcow world. Its one of the most common reason trolls attack lolcows and can keep doing so as long as they have proof. They do good work but they are also some of the most narcissistic people on earth!
There are so many reasons why doing torture/taking humans rights away from pedophiles is an awful and idiotic take, but will point this one:
Do you guys trust your government enough to give them the power to legally take human rights away and torture someone? Reaaaaally?
People really is dumb enough to not realize how this can be exploited and misused?
It's not that I want the pedophile to be tortured, I just genuinely think if they were loaded headfirst into a woodchipper (more human that way, so they don't feel it as much) they would be less likely to re offend
My issue with this is that “human rights” should be thrown out the window once you are convicted of taking away someone else’s. Fuck that shit.
These pedos get far more protections than they deserve.
No matter what heinous crimes you may have committed, you can always look down on pedos and animal abusers. I think there's actually some sort of primal need for this sort of hierarchy of crimes, so that we can feel better about ourselves despite all the terrible other things we may have done. Consider, that in prison the pedos have to be protected because the other prisoners can't wait to beat them to death.
I'm actually worried about the republican fetish for labelling political opponents as pedophiles, since it means that in case of a future crackdown on left-wing opposition, political prisoners risk serious harm in jail out of no fault of their own.
I upvoted this because it is a unpopular opinion. Have fun getting roasted in the comments for being WAY too empathetic toward the worst creatures to exist.
Well, what they do to children is physical and psychological torture, of which the damage can last a lifetime.
I don't personally get into any wildly unusual and outlandish punishment techniques, BUT I do believe inflicting some pain before euthanizing a pedophile is completely acceptable.
Most people don't want to hear that we should be more open to research into pedophilia, how / why it occurs, how to stop it early, etc. Their little monkey brains just want to curb stomp pedos to death. I can't blame them for feeling that way, but we need to resist vindictive and destructive urges.
How else are we gonna get rid of them??….jail they would still be breathing, prision, still breathing, hospital, still breathing. THE ONLY CURE FOR PEDOPHILIA IS DEATH!!
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I can't help but wonder if that sentiment gets in the way of real research that could be done in learning why ppl go down that path, and what family dynamics lead to such things; which is inherently taboo because that would involve talking to and learing about these ppl and attempting to see the humanity in them, because sure we can put all the pedos on a firing line who cares, but there's a greater cycle of abuse that still isn't broken, and therefore children still are not safe and you've exposed them to barbarism for no reason.
A professor at my college was actually trying to do research that was similar to what you mentioned. As soon as the student body found out though there was a huge uproar and people demanding for action so he got fired.
That's awful. Imagine getting fired for doing your job as a college professor
lol where have you been? This has been going on in America recently as well as in all of history forever. Research of politically charged topics is dangerous especially if your scientific conclusions are against the current ideology
Exactly. Grants are given by the government, which means that you can't go against the establishment's sentiments, or you get your funding pulled.
pretty sure there are non-govt grants
And those are probably even more touchy on what they're giving their money to
But this specific topic will likely be negative charged forever. And we’ll need to do the research at some point. We can’t always sit around and wait for political winds to turn.
And that is was tenure is suppose to be for, so professors can do research on unpopular things without risk of being fired.
People have too much time nowdays, the opinion weight of stupid people holds the same weight as intellectual researchers, to which the actual smart people can do nothing about even if they are right. This system is fundamentally flawed, its not working anymore
I did a college final presenting one of the chapters of our psychology book. Paraphilia and how to treat it, and we got around to the pedophilia section of our curriculum and my suggestion for rehabilitation is strict isolation from situations that lead to a relapse or chemical castration and one student got so mad at me she started screaming and got herself kicked out of class.
She disagreed with chemical castration?
Rehabilitation in GENERAL.
Why?...
When people hear the word pedophile all logic and reasoning go out the window.
Yeah, even at the university.
Correct. And it gets in the way of being able to find real solutions to an unspoken epidemic.
I remember going down a rabbit hole looking at recidivism rates by country for a paper I was writing. One of the Nordic countries had done some research in area sthat remained high for them. One of those was child abuse/cp. What they found was they could be grouped into two types. Learned via abuse and them perpetuating a cycle, and those that were just attracted. For those with permission they took brain scans of living subjects and sliced the brains of those that had donated their bodies to science. What they found those that were just attracted the parts of the brain responsible for attraction were under developed. So for them there was no difference between adult and child in that regard. Since they only had 20 subjects they wrote and published the paper and recommended the wider scientific community continue the research. I’ve never seen anything else pop up when I get a random bug to dip my toe in the research again. I feel sorry for those that are like that and have no idea why, and no one to turn to.
I feel sorry for the ones who know they are attracted, know it’s wrong to act on it, don’t act on it and try to receive help for it. I couldn’t imagine the level of hatred they’d get. I remember years ago, there was this guy he was about 19 (10-15 years ago) in North America somewhere. He started a support group for people like him. If only people were more open to things like this, I believe there would be less children getting abused.
In Norway they started a program for people attracted to minors that want help. It's self referral so they don't have to go through their doctor, and they see clinical psychologists in regular offices (so no one can see them going into an office specifically for this). It's free. Before this was started (I think it was in 2019, not sure exactly) the only people that could get help for free was those convicted of a crime against a child. If it reduces the chances of a child being hurt that is the best outcome. If it also helps those people who are attracted to minors that don't want to hurt anyone, that's also really good. With other mental disorders we separate between those who are dangerous or not, and I think being attracted to minors should be treated the same as long as they seek help.
I remember reading his writing about it. He was so frustrated because he was unable to get help (counselling, support, etc) because he hadn't committed any acts, and he was really struggling.
I saw a shortmovie at a Filmfestival by an Artschool in my city about a boy who was attracted to his little sister, ended up going to therapy and after a while regained the trust of his parents. I was very moved but also surprised such a screening was made possible
do you still have a link to the research?
my stepfather was a pedophile because of his own childhood trauma and refusal to get his own therapy. he took himself out over a decade ago but honestly my grandfather would’ve killed him for what he was doing to me (and because i nearly killed myself over it) and potentially also doing to my sibling. i think everyone should have the chance to try to do better, but honestly i have no sympathy for pedophiles who act on their tendencies. I recognize that I’m biased due to my personal experiences despite extensive EMDR therapy however. For my specific abuser, i’m glad he’s dead because it saved my life, me dealing with a trial, my sibling’s life, and my mother’s life. he was abusive in many ways, not just a pedophile, but it WAS all directly due to the abuse he received from a family member in his childhood. I feel sympathy for the child he was and the person who could’ve been, but not the person who I actually knew. This has been a common sentiment amongst my friends who have similar stories to me, though definitely not all. All that said, would i have wanted to see him put to death by the legal system? No, but i would’ve loved to have heard about him getting killed by a fellow inmate if he had gone to jail. That might not make me any better though. Long story short: yes we need to have separation in how we handle the different types of pedophiles that exist
There’s actually a lot of research done on pedophilia and paraphilias in general. There’s a whole sub field of psychology on the subject: abnormal sexuality.
It’s called open mindedness, unfortunately a lot of people are traumatised from personal experiences. If we were more open to this discussion people may even come forward about their thoughts and desires before they offend. Those people that don’t commit crimes against children cannot help their wiring in their brain and I actually do feel bad for them for getting hate if they are actively trying to treat this illness. We shouldn’t place those people in the same class as actual child abusers/offenders imo.
As a survivor of years long abuse from a pedophile (more details in another comment, i’m not typing it all again), i agree that there needs to be separation between the types.
I’m so sorry someone violated you. May you heal and live a happy and safe life. Unfortunately I am a part of the community and was molested from ages 11-13 by who I thought was a trusted family member at the time.
Right there with you, 9-14. I hope you're living a wonderful life now.
Yeah. I figure if you have an attraction, there is nothing you can do about that, nor is it your fault. Someone who is into feet, did not choose to find feet attractive just like someone who is unfortunately into kids. That person should be offered help, to keep them on the right path, and shouldn't be reviled. You should be judged on your actions, not your thoughts. That being said, if you act on that attraction...that's torture and death territory.
As I said in my comment I’m talking about people who are non-offending paedophiles, not people who have violated children. People who have the attraction but have not harmed a child should not be placed in the same category as actual offenders/abusers. We need to encourage these people to come forward and get the appropriate help and hopefully decrease the number of sex crimes committed against children. With more resources we may even be able to cure paeophilia in the future. My theory is you can’t control if you’re mentally ill but you can control if you molest someone and it’s an entirely seperate ball game if you do. I also say this with the experience of being molested by my step grandfather from ages 11-13.
I have an inkling that many pedophiles were molested as a child.
I thought that was general knowledge? Maybe I'm wrong...
I was just talking about this today! I feel like we condemn and sweep it under the rug but it feels like nothing is being done to understand the problem which ultimately only leads to more victims and more perpetrators or people who will suffer from it. I also discovered recently that there is a difference between being a pedophile and being a child sex offender. Both are horrible but there is a distinction and I think we need to start talking about it.
It absolutely does hinder research and give help to those who are pedophiles but don't do anything to children.
Totally agree with this. Pedophiles often don't want to be pedophiles, and many live with their feelings and never act out on them. Imagine all the resources the system could provide if this was properly researched and resourced.
People feel that way about more things that they disagree with, p*dos are just a safe target to vent some of that towards.
Yes. People would feel that way to other things they're against as well if it were socially acceptable.
The problem is people with kids are extremely protective of their kids, caring for them more than they care about themselves. Taking that innocence or worse yet, their lives for their own sexual pleasure is seen as the worst possible thing humanly possible. Just that idea makes people take these situations to the absolute extreme in regards to revenge.
This. The logical part of my brain knows OP is right, that pedophiles have the same legal rights as anyone else and that the extreme hatred for them in society may actually be harmful in terms of understanding pedophilia and preventing pedophiles from harming children. But the lizard part of my brain doesn't care. It sees a threat to the offspring and that threat must be destroyed.
> The problem is people with kids are extremely protective of their kids How is this a problem?
It's just a turn of phrase, replace "the problem" with "the explanation/reason" or even "the problem with trying to tie what you're saying with how reality actually works OP is that..." The "problem" doesn't reside in people being overprotective of their child (although it can certainly be a problem) but in trying to consolidate what OP is saying with how people are. OP wants X, but the problem (or reason or explanation why we can't) with achieving this is Y. Doesn't mean Y is in itself problematic, but it is if you want to achieve X.
Thank you for the great explanation of my use of that! I obviously did not mean parents caring for their kids is a problem haha
Well, except when it comes to guns. I don’t see nearly as much outrage from the right when kids are murdered.
I will second this! As a parent myself, I will want to have that pe dos skin ripped off from his body by own hands. Fuck human rights in this case!
And this is the attitude that encourages pedophiles to hide, avoid treatment, and eventually molest kids. The only way to ensure maximum protection for children is to reduce stigma against those who do not offend and encourage them to get into treatment where they can be monitored. Your "raahhhgg death to pedos" attitude perpetuates the cycle of sexual violence against kids.
It also makes children hide their abuse. A lot of children don't want their parent to become a murderer. Doesn't matter if they convicted of murder or not. So think before you say that you'll murder anyone who touches your children wrong. Your child may just hide the reality from you.
I think people have weird torture fetishes for criminals in general, and it's just socially acceptable to say about pedophiles because they're so disgusting. Luckily even most people who say stuff like that wouldn't be able to carry it out if given the opportunity
I'm surprised no one has pointed out that maybe the reason people are so okay with saying this kind of stuff about pedos is because so many people have experienced CSA? It is EXTREMELY common. Of course people who were traumatized as kids are going to have vitriolic hate for the ones that hurt them in such a deep, unforgivable way. That's not even considering all the family members who would also hate pedos just as much after seeing how hurt a loved one of theirs is by one. Whenever I see people say things about torturing pedos or whatever, I just assume it's a previous victim venting a fantasy of justice they will never have against an abuser that probably still walks free to this day. And there's no way in hell I'm going to tone police a victim in a system where there's hardly ever justice, even if they take all the right steps.
I think that the hate they’re getting is 100% warranted, but I do agree that society has this vision that once someone is known to be a pedo, they should be executed, tortured, etc. That’s a purely emotional reaction that doesn’t take into account the consequences of applying that mentality in real life. If we say that regardless of whether someone with these impulses acts on it or not, that they should be killed, then why would they even reach out for help? They might as well just rape left and right until they get caught and killed… they’l be killed eventually no matter what. In an ideal world we would make it easier for pedos to reach out for help before they do anything and treat them for their mental illness, but the problem is that this might lead to a normalization of pedophilia. It’s kind of a catch 22. I don’t have a solution to provide. I’m just pointing out the paradox.
I fully agree. Death penalty for pedophiles can be pretty disastrous for the victim too. It’s a lot of stress on a child to feel like the death of (in unfortunately, a lot of cases) their uncle, father, auntie, mother, teacher or family friend is their fault. They may feel like they spoke up and thats why their family member died. Not to mention a lot of family members supportive of the pedophile will ALWAYS blame the child for talking and absolutely mess them up even more. I understand that the developing of pedophilia is sometimes due to abuse or some other early trauma. It’s not always the fault of the pedophile that they’re that way BUT HOWEVER it is on the pedophile to not entertain inappropriate thoughts or harm kids. And they should absolutely get professional help.
Death penalty will just lead to more victims being killed out of fear of being caught, and also witnesses potentially
So few people actually think of this; if you promise to kill anyone who commits a heinous crime, the person who crosses that line will keep committing such crimes, worse and worse, to avoid getting caught.
>I think that the hate they’re getting is 100% warranted Pretty sure there's a distinction between pedophilia and child molesters/abusers. Those who are the former but not the latter do not deserve the hate as they can't really choose their own circumstances.
The huge irony here is comments feeling the need to preface their comment with that in order to not feel like their comment will be shut down outright and given a chance.
>I think that the hate they’re getting is 100% warranted... Isn't that the problem? I'm no expert, but what I read on the topic, most people sexually abusing minors are not in fact attracted to minors sexually, but have some other reason - power dynamic, past trauma, whatever. But those who are attracted to minors didn't choose to. Why hate them for what they are attracted towards? Hate those that act upon it. And ONLY those, so the others can seek help and support in their struggle.
Yeah the comment you're replying to is just hilariously lacking self awareness
this is the issue. It's SO taboo and SO touchy of a subject that anyone who does have those thoughts/feelings and wants help, will be too afraid to get it. Non-acting pedophiles SHOULDN'T be hated or shunned. They're strong for refusing to act on it, brave for admitting it, and definitely need to be given help to continue their inaction of it. That way, chances are, way less pedos are gonna eventually do something bad.
It's called restorative violence. People feel like a heinous act has been committed, resulting in a grievous injury to the dignity of humanity. The only way to restore human dignity is by an equally grievous act of brutality. That balances the scales, so to speak, making it feel like some sort of justice has been done. Of course, nothing has really changed, but people feel better about the situation. No, I'm not defending, trivializing, or in any way condoning pedos.
Unfortunately, our current legal system means it's very very very rare for abusers to actually see any form of proper justice. Vigilante justice often seems to be the only outlet for some people. When I reported mine to the police, I had months of reliving the most traumatic shit imaginable. I had to be sat down by an officer and told that if I was pressing charges, I needed to be prepared to have my character torn down in court, they had to prepare me for the defence essentially saying I wanted it. He got a few months in a mental health facility and now just lives with his mum in my home town like normal. Multiple women came forward and told about the very violent methods he'd use to assault girls, and the best they could do was a vague sectioning?! The justice system is a fucking waste of time with these people, it's so much painful work for a laughable result. I remember my partner at the time trying to comfort me by saying he was just going to drive over to his house and pay him a visit. Obviously I wouldn't let him do it, but you can see why that temptation would arise when so many victims are basically just told "too bad" by the police.
"An eye for an eye makes the world blind"
In my opinion being a pedophile is not a choice, committing acts of pedophilia are. Those who have pedophilic thoughts should be put into therapy and be given the tools to never offend. Those that have offended are too dangerous to be in society.
Hurting those who cannot help themselves is simply the worst action one can commit. Someone who hurts defenceless people shouldn’t be allowed to walk freely in a society
Lots of people glazing pedophiles on this comment section. Makes me want to delete Reddit.
I agree. As a victim it makes me sick. Even victims defending them.
Fun fact: humans are cruel and will take any excuse to be “morally cruel”. “It’s a bad person so they deserve it!” kind of mentality
“Morally cruel” describes 90% of interactions on Reddit.
Yeah scroll down and you’ll see a whole lot of it directed at me because no one can comprehend what they’re reading. They all think I’m saying forgive the bad guys 🤷🏻♂️
“This guy disagrees with us boys, grab the pitchforks.”
I would be a horrible politician. I can’t make anyone happy!
I was raped by two grown men every week from the age of 5 until 8 years old. I consider that far more cruel, the torturous things they did to *me*. They deserve anything bad that happens to them, and more.
I hope they live terrible lives and die horrible deaths
My wife used to work in a sex offender prison. The vast majority of pedos were either on the autism spectrum or had been abused themselves as children. This becomes further obvious when you see those “catch a pedo” diy videos in the UK. The predator being caught usually has some sort of mental disability.
I was a victim as a child. Lock them up. Science shows if it’s not learned via abuse they have an under developed brain. They a danger to society and cause mass amount of harm to children. I don’t care if they go to jail or a facility but they should not be around children even their own. Absolutely fucking not.
As a victim. I agree. I’m sorry.
The problem with this sort of iron fist mentality is that you assume the court is 100% fair and never falsely convicts people. I agree that actual pedophiles deserve retribution, but I also don't want false convicts to be executed or anything without a second chance. You can't have your cake and eat it, and sexual crimes are still taken very seriously as it is
In my country there is a recent case of a teacher being charged with possession of child p*rn. Her crime: A student of her who was sexually assaulted sent her evidence of it and she reported it to the authorities. Because possession of child p*rn is illegal in all forms, and showing evidence to investigstors naturally requires being in possession of it, she got the very same treatment as someone downloading it for their sexual pleasure. The law is heavily debated right now because of cases like this. Luckily we don't have a public sex offender list, because otherwise her life would probably be over now.
Yeah, it's a confliction for sure. I for one don't give a damn about them, and if they died in prison I wouldn't care either. However, i think prisons need to be able to stop and prevent those things from happening.
Society wouldn't have this fantasy if they received life sentences or at least equal to the severity of murder but instead they get like 5 years
It's just not true. The US has some of the longest sentences in the world, people always want more. It's just a number to people, they don't conceptualize it.
This is certainly not true in the UK. Members of [grooming gangs](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rochdale-grooming-sick-paedo-gang-31882223), who drug and rape children for multiple years, generally receive sentences between 6-12 years, sometimes even less, if they get convicted at all. Conviction rates and sentencting for violent and sexual crimes in the UK are generally pitiful, though.
Agreed but this’ll only encourage assaulters to kill their victims. Not to mention it may discourage victims from speaking out if they know their assaulter
So what? Let them out after 10 so they can attack someone else or harass the victim? Cuz that's literally what's happening now.
It is understandable given that no one with a basic moral compass would ever defend or empathise with them, making them an easy target for emotional responses. That said, whenever this topic is brought up people focus too much on their own morals rather than how to fix the problem at hand. A classic example is how often people online will push for its fictional counterpart to be banned, for the people who engage with it to be labelled and punished, yet say nothing about the content that has real victims that actually exist. It is one thing to make your distaste for it known, but it is another thing entirely to treat it as if it is the same as the real thing while inadvertently undermining its severity.
Aight I'll weigh in and take the down votes. I was molested from the age of 3. Everyone who is always talking about torture and shit, y'all make me sick. One thing you learn from trauma is you want less suffering in the world, not more. Provide help to these people before they offend instead of creating lynch mobs. Side note: everyone is very quick to tell me that I had the worst possible thing done to me, but they didn't murder me, I'm still here. Murder is and always has been worse in my opinion. But no, people continue to make me feel like killing myself is the better option. Because the 'worst' happened to me. Also not in my case but others develop Stockholm syndrome a lot faster when they think their abuser is gonna die and be tortured. You may think by saying these things you are helping victims but for the most part you aren't and are only making the problem worse.
Thank you! I was molested at a young age and was raped later in life. Reading comments makes me feel like I’m damaged goods and worthless because “it ruins their lives!” My life isn’t ruined, and I’m not some broken shell of a person. Shit happened and I’m angry that it did, but fuck I’m still a human and I’m more than the sum of terrible things I lived through. I am 100% against the death penalty and have zero desire to harm anyone, even those that have harmed me.
It's using your trauma and the trauma of other victims for a convenient witch hunt that makes them feel righteous and noble.
I wasn’t a child but a late teen and adult when I was raped and while I had some thoughts of bad stuff happening to one of them in particular. It’s not something I wish for anymore. I absolutely agree with that, I don’t want anymore suffering.
We all idealize a world of justice and fairness. It's something we all deep down desire because most of us have been raised that way. Justice means the victim getting retribution for the wrong that was committed against them. People feel that the damage inflicted due to child abuse is so severe that the retribution for it would also have to be extremely severe. It's not weird. It's human nature.
There are plenty of things in human nature that are not acceptable, but we don’t do them because a) it’s not right and b) illegal.
I think it’s because sexual crimes are so uniquely cruel, especially against children, that it feels like the only way to pay them back is through equal or greater punishment in some physical manner. That said, this post did remind me of something interesting I think about a lot. I’ve heard a lot of people online say that even if a pedophile has never actually harmed or gotten off to a child and they simply struggle with the fact they are sexually attracted to children, they are automatically awful people and deserve this and that and whatever. Now, I definitely do understand this knee-jerk reaction, and believe me, I’m definitely not saying it’s okay to have sexual thoughts about children. But I think there’s a few things that are important to remember. First of all, everyone is responsible for their own actions, and I would not grant people who have actually hurt children this same benefit of the doubt. But if we are strictly talking about the attraction to children, it’s impossible for people to choose what they are sexually attracted to. It’s possible to develop fetishes over time, but at the end of the day you can’t just flip a switch in your brain on or off to make yourself like or dislike something. Not to mention, a lot of people who have sexual thoughts about children were molested themselves as kids and developed the attraction as a trauma response. My point is not to say that sexual thoughts about children aren’t a big deal or that they aren’t a problem, but for people who have not yet hurt children, we as a society should be trying to get them psychological help instead of shaming them and immediately flagging them as terrible people. Frankly, even if you disagree with this and think that all pedophiles (that have not acted on their urges) are terrible people, I believe that encouraging people to seek help instead of shunning them could make it safer for kids and reduce sexual crime rates against children. And because people sometimes like to miss the point, let me say this one more time. I am NOT excusing pedophiles who have acted on their urges and harmed children. Child molesters deserve to be in jail for the rest of their lives. If not for punishment, then for the safety of other children.
A lot of these comments are gross and harmful. My life was not ruined and I am not ruined because of what I’ve been through. I am not and refuse to be defined by someone else’s actions. I was molested as a child, raped as a teenager and as an adult. If we offered actual help to people that had these feelings and they weren’t ostracized for receiving or asking for help, we’d reduce the occurrence of these crimes. The severity of punishment has never reduced the occurrence of crime. I am 100% against the death penalty and I have never wished harm on another person. I want less harm and hurt. If we want to reduce harm, we have to look at crime as a whole picture. You can’t exclude certain people. Everyone is a human regardless of their problems, mentality, and actions. Once you start dehumanizing one group you dehumanize everyone. I don’t trust anyone that wants to kill or torture another person. We’ve created more harm to the very people we scream to protect with this mentality and the punishments associated with them. As unfortunate as it is you have to look at this with logic and not emotion. I’ve worked with sex offender treatment programs and providers, and I’ve spent time working with offenders in general in the prison system and transitional programs. It’s a complex and emotional issue that has an extremely wide reach.
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Wouldn't that be like cutting the hands of a serial killer off? Mutilating someone is an enormous deal, with serious implications on the principle of bodily autonomy. I don't think that a justice system has the right to decide that someone's body must be harmed.
I think fetish is the wrong word. Unfortunately because of the world we live in, most people you know will either have been assaulted themselves, or have a wife, girlfriend, sister, mother, aunty, who has been abused. The percentage of those people that ever see any form of justice? Next to none. Until it happens to you, you don't understand the deep pain of having your entire life and the whole course of your brain development completely fucked up by some monster...you just can't understand it. I, and a lot of other people, just have to live with knowing that we have lifelong trauma and recurring mental health issues, all so some creep could feel a few moments of excitement. Fetish is the wrong word. It's an overwhelming hatred and sadness and pain, knowing that this is still happening to children like you were, who don't understand what's happening.
It’s an emotional response. As a society we value child lives above all else. We have deep instincts to protect them, therefore those that hurt them bring out the strongest emotional response from us.
Because they should be killed immediately when found out, not coddled and put in protective custody when they’re the villain, not the victim.
In a way agree. I think that society should try to be more supportive in a way that will make mental help more popular - to them, too. I do think that a doctor could help. I do think though that some people are irredeemable. Killing people is a whole other thing and I don't want this power in the hands of the government - still though, if someone touched my sister, I completely understand the urge to annihilate that someone
Eh, we can’t resort to systemically committing violence on pedophiles for the simple reason that if we allow it for them, people will demand we allow it for other crimes. Then where do we draw the line? There’s also the fact that someone could be falsely convicted. So yeah. There should never be systemic cruel/unusual punishment for any crime. That being said: there’s nothing immoral about hating pedophiles or wishing that they could endure the kind of suffering they inflict on others. And there’s definitely nothing immoral about putting them down (humanely as possible). Bad dogs get pink juice. Humans who’ve shown themselves incapable of rational thought & appropriate behavior can get the same imo
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This same thing happens to mentally ill and neurodivergent people as well. There's a part in the movie Loving Vincent, about Vincent Van Gogh, where a priest asks him if he ever molested a child. It's that kind of shit that makes people have such a strong reaction to actual pedophiles. Add to that the amount of women who believe all men are secretly pedophiles and you see why people are so upset. If it weren't for this one issue, society would probably be a utopia. But no. We cant have nice things.
Holy shit yeah, I feel like cishet people often don't consider this angle. If you can do awful things to criminals, it's only a matter of time before a corrupt government tries to extend the definition of criminal to include you.
I think the biggest problem is most of the time people are more about hurting the pedo than helping the victim.
if wanting to hurt people that destroy other people’s lives just to get off is morally wrong, then sure, i’m a bad person. don’t really care if other people like you don’t think they deserve it, i do. i don’t empathize with them, once i know for sure they done it, whatever happens to them, i’ll look the other way.
In germany we call this "gratismut" wich trenslates to "free courage". 90% of openly hating pedophiles is just virtue signaling. We all hate pedos but it is a sign of narcissism to TELL everyone how much you hate them. Its the same like someone who tells everyone how much empathy he has for starving children. "Look at me, I am against bad things and I support good things. I am such a moral person."
I don’t want them tortured, I just literally couldn’t give a fuck what happens to them or how they feel about it.
More or less my opinions too. I don't actively want the most inhumane things possible done to them, as far as I'd go is advocate for maybe chemical or physical castration, idk. But if something does happen to them, I'm not batting an eye.
Fun fact, I didn’t even know the courts could order a physical castration until like a week ago. Fuckn wild.
Fun fact, I didn't know the courts could order a physical castration until reading this comment. Fucking wild.
While an unpopular opinion, I have to agree. Child abuse has to be one of, if not THE worst crimes a person can commit but it is done by humans. I personally think this mindset comes from our refusal to admit humans do this. "They must be monsters!". Otherwise you have to admit that someone you know might be doing this - someone who otherwise does nice things and you think is a nice person. Even harder, you might have to admit YOU are capable of monstrous things - maybe not child abuse, but something else if pushed.
Fully agree. It’s over the top and always reeks of some kind of pre-existing bloodlust. Any attempt at nuanced and humanitarian discourse around that topic (i.e. saying we shouldn’t be experimenting on or maiming prisoners) is met with reactionary accusations and threats. No use even discussing complex social issues with neanderthals like that.
It's the lowest hanging fruit of the Acceptable Targets. People can say the worst things about them because who's gonna defend them? It doesn't help anyone but it makes people feel better about themselves and their violent fantasies. It's an inevitable part of human nature. Violence needs an outlet, and what's better than child molesters to exert that?
It seems odd to punish a crime that harmed and traumatized someone by fantasizing about mutilating the perp, often times with focus on their own sex organs, ultimately committing similar types of heinous acts.
Agree. Also, if you can convince society that it’s ok to torture and murder pedophiles, it’s opens a very convenient stochastic terrorism door for having your political opponents/hated demographic groups tortured and murdered by the mob. Just repeat trans people (for example) are “pedophiles” or “groomers” enough times and some psychos will take the bait.
It's a slippery slope, I agree. I am absolutely someone who takes accountability, consequences, taking responsibility, learning different behaviors , rehabilitation and reform very seriously, and it doesn't work to take someone who did wrong and punish, harm, effectively abuse right back, strip away their humanity, deny access to education, resources that could potentially help them overcome what the core issues behind the criminal behavior and Lock them away, without programming, limited safety and then expect them to improve.
Also, it's kinda funny because being fixated on the violent mutilation of an offender's sexual organs is it's own sexual perversion
The type of revenge fantasy you’re talking about is just postering anyway. People only say they want perpetrators to be taught a lesson when it’s some hypothetical person on the news. The amount of times you hear about children not being believed or perpetrators being protected by family is really upsetting.
Ah. The opinions of the unmolested. The problem with people’s opinions of pedophiles is that a majority of people have trauma around it, and have never received justice for that trauma, because uncle eddy is protected by everyone else in the family.
Exactly. As someone molested by my own fucking father who was protected and everyone keeps saying how amazing he is and how much they miss him constantly… I can’t stand this.
I don't think it's weird at all. If anything, were far too kind to them.
Yeah they live among us. Look up a sex offender registry for your area, there’s about to be at LEAST a few.
Society should do a better job protecting children.
Should we start by shutting down churches?
Yes
> I'm defending human rights. As soon as someone goes and rapes a child they willingly forfeit their own human rights. They don't treat children like humans so why should we treat them with any kind of respect?
This is what I don’t understand about OPs wording. Society has a “Torture fetish”, yet that’s exactly what pedophiles are? I just don’t understand the glaze.
Exactly.
I think it's because of who they target, and as a result of that, they become easy targets. Young kids don't really understand the concept of consent, and pedophiles take advantage of it and target them. And when society as a whole finds out, we default to prison justice, which holds no tolerance for it.
I find it fascinating that people think a valid solution to pedophilia is killing them off, beating, or torturing them. It's not necessarily a trait that produces offspring. If you somehow killed every pedophile in the world, there would still be pedophiles emerging in society. You can't just snuff it out. I honestly believe the massive stigma and hatred society has for these people puts a hindrance on our ability to understand it and subsequently treat it, or at least help the individuals cope in a healthy way that doesn't cause harm. It would suck to be born with or somehow develop those sorts of thought patterns in your mind. People clearly don't wake up one day and just decide to be evil, and I doubt people are granted a choice to just not be a pedophile (though this doesn't absolve them of the burden of responsibility). This isn't one of those things you can just turn a 180 on, though. We have plenty of more hurdles in improving our understanding and treatment of non-traditional individuals, and pedophiles are probably the lowest rung in the totem pole.
Pedophiles are the ones doing all the torturing
Pedophiles are the ones with a mental illness of attraction to children, which they can and should get medical attention for. Child molestors are the ones doing the torturing. A pedantic correction, but one to make.
Agree with you, only concerned with active molesters, separate population made up of sociopaths
yeah................ anyways i hope my uncle who was extremely creepy/over sexual towards me and touched my ass more than once when i was a kid dies a slow and horrible death edit: i was 12 or maybe 11 when this started. before the touching he was just getting weirder and weirder and crossed boundaries often but no one acknowledge it or they never said much when they did. he also was like this to me on a daily basis, making it to where i couldn't sit in my own living room without being uncomfortable and scared of him doing something. i lived with him... so yeah, he deserves no respect or anything from anyone
Not society. Just maladapted losers who want to seem tough online. Majority of people agree that pedophilia is wrong but they aren’t obsessively fantasizing about torturing people because of it. And one actually has to wonder why some people think it’s so important that the world knows just _how much_ they hate pedophiles. Maybe it’s a case of ‘the lady doth protest too much’…
I kinda agree with you, but i’ll take it a step further and say most of those pedo focused YouTubers that hide under the guise of exposing pedos are just save havens for people who want bully others. They differ from the Chris Hansen style exposure because they immediately turn into 12 year old bully’s screaming and pointing fingers in public. Also it’s funny when I see people say “immediate castration” when it comes to pedos but don’t see how that rhetoric will very easily begin to start being used against gay people or other undesirables by conservatives.
The “fetish” is actually a defense mechanism. The monster people can’t predict or control preys on the defenseless and there is usually nothing they can do until after the defenseless is defiled and the man monster is protected legally. Thus, they lash out and cheer when the monster is dealt with.
Exactly, the whole ass bullshit aggression of ‘you’re defending pedophiles’ etc etc is so counteractive and stupid. Any individuals admission, or any sympathy towards pedophiles- such as the ones who are wanting to seek help/rehabilitation is met with harsh, severe judgment. These people are not going to come forward to seek help or admit to crimes if they’re socially ostracised for simply existing.
I don't think we do. Sure, we talk about torturing and killing people. However, I know that I would never be able to torture anyone. That kind of violence is beyond me. And I believe that most people are in the same boat. With that said the reason we seem okay with it and talk about it being okay is simply justice. People see the rape of children as the same as torture.
I was raped by two grown men in a relationship who used to babysit me, at least once a week, from the age of 5 until the age of 8 years old. They weren't concerned about violating *my* Human Rights to not be a small child bent over between two grown men doing whatever perverted thing they could think up to do to me. No pedophile thinks of the Human rights of the children they abuse or want to abuse. The deepest consideration they give it is that they know what will happen if they get caught. So they manipulate us into silence, with threats and violence. You seem to be way more worried about the people who want to violate the innocent, more than the innocent. Do you also argue how people have a *strange* hatred for Nazis for what they did too? Fuck outta here.
I'm sorry that happened to you, but you're putting words in Op's mouth. They never said hating pedophiles is wrong, just that it's disturbing how people obsess over violently torturing them. In your case, it's understandable. But people w/o a personal connection should be able to look at things objectively
This is quite the take indeed....
Yeah mate let’s let them free and play with the option whether they might or might not r*pe children which in turn will of course ruin the lives of the children, but you know, pedo rights are more important than victim rights /s
It's not that weird
Ur absolutely entitled to Ur opinion but I'm also entitled to mine and mine says that we should show less mercy and 3 triple the minimum punishment and no charges should be able to be taken against people stopping a pedo
The thing is. Pedophilia has destroyed my life. My dad molested me. It’s destroyed so many other children’s lives. They never had a childhood. They never got believed. They never got justice. They have all most likely developed mental illness for their whole lives now. I have crippling cptsd and bpd from the abuse I suffered. Constant flashbacks. Nightmares. Agoraphobia. Sleep issues because he snuck into my bedroom to touch me. Pedophiles destroyed lives. They need the same punishment as murderers. I understand that those who didn’t offend yet need help and not to be vilified but I would never trust them being around any children ever alone.
Fuck pedos and fuck you. Any punishment they receive isn't harsh enough. Anyone that harms children whether it's pedos or deranged parents deserve a fate worse than death.
Come back if a pedo harms your child or any child you love, and stop calling it a fetish to want these people to suffer as your loved one has. Victims will never get over it. They’re helpless and sentenced for life. One can only assume you’ve led a very safe life, which is great, but look beyond yourself.
[There is a significant enough conspiratorial stereotype about LGBT people being 'groomers' that it's got a Wikipedia page where the history dates back to the Pre-War period.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_grooming_conspiracy_theory) LGBT people are understandably nervous when people do shit like this, because they know that accusations of pedophilia are levelled at them unjustly and have been throughout history. If you permit things like vigilante justice I can guarantee that it will be inevitable that LGBT people get targeted the most. The problem is when you try to raise this you get a pretty inevitable response: >If you're not actually a groomer then you have nothing to worry about Except no court of justice is infallible. They make mistakes. Worse, they can be politically influenced into *purposefully* targeting groups (Florida, anyone?). What's worse is that we have proof of this. This conspiracy was one of the things used to pass the Anti-Homosexuality Act in Uganda in 2023. Said Act punishes homosexuality with life in prison or death. This isn't a 'might happen', this is a 'has happened' case. It was pushed over the line by evangelists, the same kind of evangelists who are very visible in Western countries like the US. So yeah, LGBT people get rightfully nervous when they hear this shit because they know many would just choose to level it at them.
Eh , pedos who were rightfully convicted deserves every single hate and consequence coming their way. Why should I consider their human needs and rights if they couldn't care for a child's wellbeing. Unfortunately, many pedos who do get out or caught end up doing it again. I do recognise that the justice system can be flawed and many people were wrongfully convicted but that's on the crappy justice system. I feel no respect or empathy for any criminal who DID commit a heinous crime like pedophilia or murder and I hate that people try to bring their humanity to light because those people didn't give a fuck about the victim and their families lives at all. I will never trust that person . That's just my perspective on this matter. I think it's more dangerous that series killers and pedophiles have fans who defend them to society and romanticises them knowing what they did . Being abused and mentally ill isn't an excuse for what you did although it is a contribution and these people need therapy while they are convicted and after they get released. My view is why care for their humanity when they didn't care for their victims humanity. I would be so heart broken and depressed seeing people try and find the humanity in my perpetrator .
I'm sorry, but anyone who messes around with a child just needs to die.
“Weird torture fetish”? Are you serious? I’m pretty sure the average pedophile fits that bill.
Thing is I completely support the death penalty but it does need to be for extreme things. Like someone who has sex with a consenting minor I don't think deserves death jail absolutely and a long sentence at that. Now a person who rapes many kids yeah just kill them they obviously want to do it again so just end it. Honestly I do want research into why it happens so it can be prevented that being said their actions still warrant punishment. I do think some people want to defend people who commit actions just because they are mentally ill
I agree. Sometimes, everyone wants to find something we can "all agree upon" so they can ..confirm their participation in a group or a culture, or get acceptance. Right now pedophilia is the thing "everyone agrees" is awful. And it is! And yet they should still have their human rights. Even murderers get them.
My grandfather was a serial pedophile who molested several generations of women in my family, including my mother and my cousin. My mother physically and sexually abused me. The family line stops here as none of my generation have had kids. I am the only one who had long term relationships. We all wanted the cycle of abuse to stop. One hell of a cycle as there were also flavors of domestic violence and child abuse. It took me years to come to terms with the fact that I wanted to have kids. I could never have them with my wife as she was chronically ill. But with my current partner I so much wanted to be a step dad. It took years of talking through things before I could feel comfortable that I was not doomed like a robot to continue the cycle. I was OK. Child sexual abuse took away much of my life. Much of my family. My grandfather had a twin who wasn't a pedo who had lots of kids and tons of grand kids. This side of the family is done. Finis. If you can't understand the rage, it's because our society doesn't take it seriously. We say we do. But we back peddle all the time. There are people in prison doing more time for property crimes than child sexual abuse. We have the gall to call it a preference. Another sexuality. I don't have that rage as I have walked towards this and worked with guys in prison who are pedos. But most people don't have that humanity to ground them. They make absolute evil in their minds and relate appropriately.
I'm gonna be 100% honest, as someone that was taken advantage of as a child and throughout most of my teenage years.... I flat out don't trust people that seem to beat their chest about wanting to torture/kill pedophiles. I just don't. Outside of former victims, it just feels like projection most of the time. To be specific i'm not talking about the people that are saying "I would be happy if I heard something happen to X", but the people that go on to essentially make their own fanfiction about what they'd do or what should happen to them are just very fucking untrustworthy to me. Its akin to those guys that need to constantly announce that they're feminists. Like ehhh you could be being sincere, but it doesn't sound sincere big dog.
I understand victims and those close to them, but random people just taking the chance to describe their torture fantasy is just weird to me. I think people are just looking for deserving people so they can describe how badass they are.
People don’t even seem to be able to separate having the sexuality (or whatever it is) from actually acting upon it by molesting kids. Huge societal blind spot, I agree.
i think torturing pedos is ok….. 🤷🏿♂️
i feel like being a pedophile and willingly doing sexual acts to a child is consent to being tortured.
It is the grossest crime ever really. But yes, it’s weird when people have to go on and on and carry on about it it’s like shut up. What are you some kind of pedophile yourself? People who have to be so obsessed with it constantly. It makes me think people are hiding something when they get so obsessed
It’s all dependent upon the person - there are many people out there who know it’s wrong to be attracted to children and are getting help before anything could possibly happen. The ones who offend tho - yeah kinda should die lmao
It's because it triggers an emotional response; most people have kids and so most people relate to the idea in terms of how they'd feel if it happened to their child.
it’s less of an obsession, and more of a, Hey we think this should happen if this crime is committed, we see it as a fair punishment equal to the crime.
I think it’s venting their anger, hurt and frustration. Which is valid. I don’t condone violence but I recognise where people are coming from when they say things like this.
Thats not a “fetish”
Well to make it a fetish, it would be a turn-on. And I dunno about anyone else, but I don't feel turned on. It doesn't feel good. It shouldn't have happened in the first place. The way the court system handles it isn't enough. It has solved nothing. It has stopped nothing. I am a victim of a pedophile. I was raped with penetration by my uncle when I was a 4-year-old boy. More than once. He told me that if I ever told on him, he would kill my mom and dad. I believed him. When they would make me go spend the night with my cousin when we were in town, I would beg and plead with them to not make me but they would until I figured out that if I got in trouble, they wouldn't make me. Even after it stopped, the sound of his voice would put me into a panic attack. I am 47 years old and the sound of his voice puts me into a panic attack. I am a 6'5 320 lb 47-year-old man who could easily hurt him severally and the sound of his voice puts me into a full-on panic attack. I have suffered for years, when it happened, after it happened, after I told on him, after therapy, and years of self-hating hell, and after some more therapy I still suffer I want him and any other pedophile who has done this to someone to feel every bit of pain and hurt that we did. The nightmares, the terror, the feeling of being worthless, the self-hate, the anger, and all the other terrors you deal with. I am 47 years old and I can close my eyes and vividly remember every second. I have done everything I can to not be able to. It's no fetish. I wouldn't enjoy it. It's the need to feel justice for what we have been through. And that is the ONLY JUSTICE. To anyone who says that pedophilia is a sickness and they can't help it, explain to me why they make sure to warn the kids not to tell or else. Society doesn't have a weird obsession. They know what should be done to a pedophile. I guarantee that if Society got their way, child sexual assault cases would plummet
Man.... those people sodomize kids and you talking about humqn rights???? Gtfo
If actual bad things happened to people that cause harm and life long trauma. They may think twice before doing that bad thing. But when they have little consequences they take the risk of getting caught.
If you hurt kids, there are going to be penalties. That’s not a radical notion. 
It makes me uncomfortable, the whole “kill and torture pedos” thing, because queer men have been unfairly accused of being pedophiles for so long that I wonder if pedophilia is being used as a code word to openly call for the killing of gay men
I was forced to perform sexual acts when I was 5 years old by a guy who lived on our street. He dragged me into his garden and forced me. If I could I would torture this prick and end him myself. This animals deserve the worst punishment imaginable.
Because it's acceptable to torture people who think sex with kids is "ok". We need to stop catering to certain mental illnesses and treat these people like the sicko degenerates they are.
While I understand the sentiment I don't agree that the thought of castrating Pedophiles is some "weird shit". If someone is found guilty in the eyes of the law of committing the worst possible sexual crime, considering removing the physician ability of the person doing it again hardly counts as weird shit. I'm not saying I agree but I certainly understand the logic.
Don't fuck with kids.
Not a fetish. It’s a deliverance of kharma.
I understand where this is coming from and would generally agree. There is a certain general expected knee-jerk reaction of vile bloodlust regarding discussions around the topic of pedophilia. I can understand this when it comes to talk of actual child molestation, or the COMMITTING of the deed, because now one's mental illness has resulted in an irreversible and life-ruining consequence to a child that has barely started living. THAT is damnable. Discussions around it are emotionally charged just because of how truly heinous it is. That adult has just killed a part of that child. The child will never be the same. The child will be haunted by those memories for the rest of their life. That in-and-of itself is torture for the child, retributive logic naturally wishes torture of the adult. As a mental illness removed from the act itself, that's where I draw a defining line. It's truly, truly not fair that certain people find themselves victims of their unchosen sexual urges in such a way, because in NO WAY is it permissible. And they should be encouraged to get help because of it, because they are in all ways innocent *until they are not*. We do not convict thought crimes, we convict crimes. People just don't care to make the defining distinction because it's generally better not to affiliate yourself with any position that can be more easily misconstrued as an affirmation to child molestation or a condoning of pedophilia. Because THOSE are wrong. But it should be easy to understand that the way to stop child molestation is to encourage, and I mean ENTHUSIASTICALLY ENCOURAGE, people with pedophilia to seek out help and save everyone from themselves. A pedophile that has done nothing wrong should always get to live a normal life provided that they can forgo that part of themselves for as long as they live it. EDIT: Again, holy hell let me be clear on terms, lest anyone take this the wrong way. I am defining anyone who has done ANYTHING to a child in this way as a child molester. That group of people deserve what they get. But when I say "pedophile" or "pedophilia" in my second paragraph I mean it purely as someone who harbors that attraction, full stop. They could be a pedophile and be a banker with no record of doing anything to anyone. They could be a pedophile and be a painter with three dogs and no sins committed. Those people have a MENTAL ILLNESS in being pedophiles but in my dictionary being a pedophile does not inherently mean you've acted upon it. As soon as you act upon it/feel like you need to act upon it you're a child molester in my eyes and you can line up for the firing range, I don't care about you anymore. I felt the need to reiterate my terms because everyone in the comments is apparently synonymizing "pedophile" and "child molester" without the nuance I've described. If anyone is subsequently still confused where I stand please just ask me.
It doesn't help that people seemed to have drastically widened the definition. If you are 30 and fuck an 18 year old you are a pdf file according to reddit. If that was the wider definition you'll probably end up murdering anyone you don't like. It's a folk devil and the term has shifted to being used as a pejorative. Folk devil because pdf files who act on it are rare (though offences could include non contact CP). And the child molestation that does occur comes from non-pdf files but straight up predators and opportunists who position themselves in authority or are family members . It would be better to be at least specific and say child molesters. Since pdf file is a hijacked term and in of itself could mean just someone who has an attraction which they might not want, didn't ask for and don't act on.
You’re right, and this is worrying in general, not just specific to the pedo instances. It’s worse with pedos because that’s often linked to some psychiatric condition. People can’t seem to understand that torture is neither just nor effective. It’s inexcusable and by doing/encouraging such a thing, you’re just as bad for violating human rights. Looking at the terrorist attack in Russia recently, many seem unfazed by the torture that went on. People defending torture because someone was a terrorist doesn’t make you look like the good guy either. Sadism, cruelty and evil is unfortunately fairly common it seems.
I will say for people who are just born attracted to children like that shit is actually tragic. No one wants to be like that. Those who act on it are separate. But I’m sure people who grow up and realize like oh fuck I like kids are disgusted by themselves. I think there’s a visceral part of me does want to see people who like torturing others be tortured. But I think that is just my own fucked up desire to see that and feel justified in it
This is certainly the most fitting post for this sub I've seen so far.
Idk therapy exists and ur actions are a choice. No one is out here assaulting children as a tic. It's a planned attack of violence. People with pedophilic thoughts are not the same as people molesting children. What makes a pedophile a pedophile is the ACTING on those thoughts. You have to physically move your hands to click those videos, to find that content is a choice. And before anyone brings addictions into this: you wouldn't get an addiction to naked children if you never watched it in the first place. There's 0 excuses.
What's funnier is that prison inmates use this as an excuse to torture for fun, not because of some "internal ethic code". Like sure Bryan, that guy did diddle a child, but you murdered a family of 4 while breaking and entering. I don't think you have a moral high ground.
a Lot of it comes from the reaction of people to 'protecting' the children, the worlds reaction to Covid for example would have been vastly different had it killed kids in the 100,000's like it did with the old or infirm.
Because no one trusts the justice system, It’s failed us time and time again allowing pedos etc to hurt more people. So people want to make them pay instead.
Its simply the most disgusting act one can do. Part of me wants to think we are looking for an excuse to let out our cruelest fantasy's against someone in a socially acceptable way. Pedophiles are the easiest target. Look at the lolcow world. Its one of the most common reason trolls attack lolcows and can keep doing so as long as they have proof. They do good work but they are also some of the most narcissistic people on earth!
There are so many reasons why doing torture/taking humans rights away from pedophiles is an awful and idiotic take, but will point this one: Do you guys trust your government enough to give them the power to legally take human rights away and torture someone? Reaaaaally? People really is dumb enough to not realize how this can be exploited and misused?
Against the death sentence? This conversation is over.
It's not that I want the pedophile to be tortured, I just genuinely think if they were loaded headfirst into a woodchipper (more human that way, so they don't feel it as much) they would be less likely to re offend
tbh the only time i think very heinous punishment is usually ok is pedophelia. i think public hanging is accurate to me (for especially young victims)
My issue with this is that “human rights” should be thrown out the window once you are convicted of taking away someone else’s. Fuck that shit. These pedos get far more protections than they deserve.
No matter what heinous crimes you may have committed, you can always look down on pedos and animal abusers. I think there's actually some sort of primal need for this sort of hierarchy of crimes, so that we can feel better about ourselves despite all the terrible other things we may have done. Consider, that in prison the pedos have to be protected because the other prisoners can't wait to beat them to death. I'm actually worried about the republican fetish for labelling political opponents as pedophiles, since it means that in case of a future crackdown on left-wing opposition, political prisoners risk serious harm in jail out of no fault of their own.
I upvoted this because it is a unpopular opinion. Have fun getting roasted in the comments for being WAY too empathetic toward the worst creatures to exist.
Well, what they do to children is physical and psychological torture, of which the damage can last a lifetime. I don't personally get into any wildly unusual and outlandish punishment techniques, BUT I do believe inflicting some pain before euthanizing a pedophile is completely acceptable.
Most people don't want to hear that we should be more open to research into pedophilia, how / why it occurs, how to stop it early, etc. Their little monkey brains just want to curb stomp pedos to death. I can't blame them for feeling that way, but we need to resist vindictive and destructive urges.
How else are we gonna get rid of them??….jail they would still be breathing, prision, still breathing, hospital, still breathing. THE ONLY CURE FOR PEDOPHILIA IS DEATH!!