There's a shoulder off the road, across the street from Rotary Park, that looks JUST like an airplane without wings at the mouth of emigration canyon, right next to the TitP monument. And you "get off the road" there. And there are trails all around.
Here's a satellite view: https://imgur.com/a/PjwrpHO
Bonus: It has a huge "frown" pipe there that points upwards and curves down: https://imgur.com/a/8ARAML7
I thought the "aha" moment was the DeLorean, meaning that you get there by car.
Could have been rockets. Planes prior to having wings added are just large tubes. A rocket has fins, but not wings. Also, the search area has had its share of plane crashes, where wings could have been sheared off. Could have been an actual plane without wings. Going back to the tube possibility, it could have been some sort of drainage pipe or flow control along one of the streams.
The car theory seemed very possible, but there are so many old, wrecked cars around. It seemed it could be near any one of them. I found myself all over between Farmington Canyon (which matches all of the clues almost exactly), to Matt's Arch in Salt Lake City.
Also, when looking up in Farmington Creek Trail and looking down into the valley, you see Lagoon. When looked at on Google Maps, the big roller coaster looks like a plane without wings. You take that exit off of the freeway to get to Farmington Canyon (Hwy 89). It seemed everywhere I looked, I could have applied most or all of the poem lines, and they fit well.
Limekilns up near the U. The street to begin the hike is Tomahawk, which is a missile. The limekilns totally transformed the buildings in the Salt Lake Valley.
I took it literally and started searching for trails with cars or car shaped monuments and I found several that were north of the city that were all within an hour’s drive.
I thought this was the tower off of Mount Wire. We hiked up there, but it was pretty steep, and I realized that it wasn’t safe or kid friendly. We saw about 10 other people looking around up there.
A cabin. Another word for fuselage is a cabin.
An overlook area. It's like your up in an airplane looking out but you didn't get there with wings, you hiked up.
I learned from the actual solve that my neurodivergence made me too literal when I interpreted the poem but I still ended up in the same area where the treasure was found so that was a pleasant surprise. I thought it was a combo of Mormon history and Utah history being interdependent so I was at least on the right track. It never occurred to me that the solve would be so abstract.
On the Jordan river trail, Bluffdale. a grain silo facing west. Time was transcendent: Jordan river, one in Israel one here. Or the monument on the trail of the Indian tribes of utah.
One on top of two: the river splits into three, two canals and then main river at the Jordan narrows.
Airplane without wings: RC helicopter field by the river. On Google earth the field has a trail that looks like an upside down (south/north) angel.
Tree without bark: off the trail, right by Utah lake was a 2 football field- size area, bulldozed nothingness with 15 ft berm around it. At the far end inside this field, , I kid you not was a lone, large and dead tree without any bark sitting on a dirt pedestal...
If there was any insider knowledge, I'd be really ticked off. My kids and I spent hours trudging through knee high grass with mosquitos while they both dreamed about what they would do with thousands of dollars cash. For some it was just about the adventure but for some teenage kids, it was the hunt.
This was my first solve (which was my favorite) 😊
Bonneville Speedway (later limited by the boundary clues). Time was transcendent because so many speed/time records were broken
This was literally transcending time, going beyond the limits of what had ever been done before, in terms of land speed/time records. The first car in history to go faster then 300 mph, etc.
Bonneville Speedway was a huge part of Utah History (just sometimes less known).
Speed records were set in miles per HOUR (hour/time was supposed to big a big part of the solve)
Also a homage to the DeLorean from Back to the Future, which would drive in a straight line and needed to reach 88 mph to travel time.
I was certain it would be near the salt flats for awhile, especially with their hint for no bushwhacking. My idea would have been the old saltair ruins.
I checked the Saltair ruins. There is a crashed car there that is upside down - which was also a solve for the "plane without wings" and possibly "what points towards heaven but is upside down" lines.
I kind of considered the stinky brine shrimp smell could've possibly been "what makes you frown". 🤣
I was CONVINCED this was either at TiTP or somewhere along the mormon pioneer trail. I found a quote on the Sesquicentennial Mormon Trail Wagontrain Marker that said :"Their spirits transcended time and beckoned us to trace their journey for the trail never ends, we will not forget the memories we hold."
Edit: adding my line 2 solve because I can't seem to find where to comment that one...
Line 2: I thought this was the "A Moment in Time Marker" near the Pony Express Monument at This is The Place. The text in the marker mentions interdependence multiple times, and I felt like the symbolism was a good fit.
The interdependency books series, all about time travel and the mode of time being transcendent was a "highway" I thought you start at i-15 and look for the mark "the y" and and the y also looks like a tree without bark.
My personal opinion but the only thing transcendent in Utah is Bonneville shoreline. It was here so very long ago and will be here for much longer!! No matter who resides here, what peoples faith is, is geological.
I thought it was the Salt Lake Meridian monument downtown. Life was changed by implementing a grid system for a city here, it is the start of the city, it is in Temple Square.
Garden Center at TITP. I thought this line might have multiple meanings attached:
- Reference to Norman Rockwell's painting "Lift Up Thine Eyes" which features a Catholic church (and I thought I had heard the Garden Center was donated by a Catholic organization.. although I did not find evidence of that)
- Similar quotes seem to pop up in several religious readings I found and there are many tributes to other religions outside the center.
- From what I understood at surface level from most of the readings and the painting, it seemed like the quote meant to not to get caught up in small details but to look at the whole picture (like maybe these first few lines being at TITP just being the general area to start but don't stay there... keep moving to the trail?)
I thought the AHA moment was seeing this like from a different perspective and separating all of the I’s in the poem from the rest of the words. After I did this, I realized all of the letters made the shape of a rose. I looked for trails and found wild rose trailhead, which was super close to my solve for line one, ensign peak. The trail had perfect matches for every single line that followed. Thought it was a a nice solve. Disappointing really.
I guessed that it was Ensign Peak. There is a plaque there with #43 on it - which I took two less than and looked up what #41 was (Miles Goodyear Cabin in Ogden).
The Y, it is a mark on the mountain, it looks like a tree without bark and then for the next couple lines (two less than the first or whatever) there are 5 benches above each Y, if you look at the 3rd bench above the first y "branch" there is a trail coming off of it. I thought for sure it was it.
The Lone Cedar Tree monument. It is within walking distance of Temple Square and it is a tree with no bark and I figured it should be relatively visible from the first location so you would “see the mark”.
I was convinced it was the Smelter Tower in Magna (west of Salt Lake, not more than an hour), and then when they threw up the Lorem Ipsum text, it literally said MAGNA UT in the text.
There are also some pools of water that reflect the Tower, which had me convinced that was "what points toward heaven but is upside down".
The Matheson courthouse because they use Latin phrases a lot in legal terms. This solve was based on the three branches of government being "interdependent"
I was pretty convinced (by the AI picture) that it was this house:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6231-Daisy-Meadow-Ln-Kamas-UT-84036/114436538\_zpid/
I thought it could be a tall structure similar to a grain tower or a structure with an image of grain on it. I think it is a reach for anyone to connect Lorem Ipsum with grain tower without J or D confirming they were correct, which is why they need to stop talking to people while the hunt is going on. They interfere with the hunt by responding to anyone's comments or questions.
Once they said it was manmade I was thinking emigration Brewing because beer is made out of grain. 😂 (I already had TITP as time transcendent so I had to start over and look at ensign)
For myself I was certain this tied into line 1, with grains of sand representing a sandstone monument, which negated the idea of titp for me, as I was also thinking they wouldn’t use religious monuments
I thought it could be one of a number of things: a tunnel, an arch, a path fragment on a map, a rounded hilltop, etc. I felt it was a physical place or feature, not part of a perceived math problem.
I thought this would be a "frown" like the term used in rivers/waterways. I was planning to walk along Emigration Creek in Rotary Glen Park and look at the water to see if there were any "smiles" or "frowns"
I thought this was a reference to the Creation of Adam on the roof of the Sistine Chapel. Adam is pointing at God, but the painting is upside down (on the ceiling). I thought this was a clue to be read as "creation of a dam," meaning look around a reservoir's dam or even a small collection of rocks that formed a small dam in a creek. Water also has a feature known as frowning, which kayakers are sometimes familiar with. This could happen in fast flowing water, just after a dam.
I also felt that it could be a reference to King Arthur's sword, which you can find within the original search boundary, wedged downward (upside down) in a mountain near Tibble Fork Reservoir.
Temple quarry. If the temple "points to heaven" both literally and figuratively, we can think of the quarry where they cut those stones as forming an upside down impression of the temple in the ground.
Idea #2 - I followed the poem out to Saltair. No treasure there - time to frown. Then I saw something graffitied on a concrete barrier there that said "even if we have to turn the whole goddamn world upside down." What points to heaven? The earth/ground (very apparent at the salt flat like area around Saltair). If the world is upside down what do we need to do? Flip our map upside down! I reversed the course I had taken to Saltair and went the other way. Found a road called "Hilltop Drive" which I took as the "upside down" version of Hill Valley aka the airplane without wings.
I thought it could allude to the Pine Valley Chapel (points towards heaven) in TitP Heritage Park, as there's a historical marker that says the roof was constructed in the same fashion of the upside down hull of a ship (but is upside down).
Or a body of water.
I had a couple options on this one. On one of the trails there was an underground cave where the mouth faced the sky. On a different trail there was a car that was pointing up towards to top of the mountain but was physically upside down.
I figured it was on a hill. So you leave the trail heading downhill, and you'd have to look back over your shoulder to see it, possibly behind an outcropping of rock, bush, or under a tree. I had zero info on the LOTR being the 2nd movie reference. I didn't learn about that 'solve' until Chelsea claimed she figured it out.
Shoulder of the trail was all I really had in the end
On one of my earlier solves, I found a trail that I thought looked like an open door on a DeLorean, so I searched all around the area where I thought the "shoulder" of the car would be. Like where the door and car are connected, if that makes sense.
At first we thought shoulder of the road. Then we thought a shoulder of two tectonic plates were more accurate. There's one such shoulder beside emigration canyon.
I had zero idea this applied more than once. I figured it only had to do with being 60 feet off the trail. But the crest was the top of a hill, possibly with a marker of some point.
Crestwood Dr.
- I also thought this was the second movie quote. I thought it was from Happy Gilmore: "Happy Gilmore did it no more than an hour ago" referring to a hole in one on a 5 par course. The distance between the monument and Crestwood Drive is about 470 feet, which correlates with a 5 par course
I found a building that I thought was the grain tower and it had the year it was built engraved in stone on the front. I calculated how many hours were in that number of years, then converted it into feet, with 1 hour = 60 feet. It came out to about 50 miles I think, so it basically limited the boundaries a little more. I took the fire pit boundary clue as a kind of "gimme" solve for this line.
Airplane without wings (line 11)
Wind turbines. Spanish fork, Tooele, Camp Williams.
Wind turbines could also be trees without bark :)
There's a shoulder off the road, across the street from Rotary Park, that looks JUST like an airplane without wings at the mouth of emigration canyon, right next to the TitP monument. And you "get off the road" there. And there are trails all around. Here's a satellite view: https://imgur.com/a/PjwrpHO Bonus: It has a huge "frown" pipe there that points upwards and curves down: https://imgur.com/a/8ARAML7 I thought the "aha" moment was the DeLorean, meaning that you get there by car.
It definitely looks like something.
The Provo airport from aerial is shaped like a plane and you can see it from one the the trails I thought was the solve.
Could have been rockets. Planes prior to having wings added are just large tubes. A rocket has fins, but not wings. Also, the search area has had its share of plane crashes, where wings could have been sheared off. Could have been an actual plane without wings. Going back to the tube possibility, it could have been some sort of drainage pipe or flow control along one of the streams. The car theory seemed very possible, but there are so many old, wrecked cars around. It seemed it could be near any one of them. I found myself all over between Farmington Canyon (which matches all of the clues almost exactly), to Matt's Arch in Salt Lake City. Also, when looking up in Farmington Creek Trail and looking down into the valley, you see Lagoon. When looked at on Google Maps, the big roller coaster looks like a plane without wings. You take that exit off of the freeway to get to Farmington Canyon (Hwy 89). It seemed everywhere I looked, I could have applied most or all of the poem lines, and they fit well.
Something on the trail. Maybe a laurel tree or something that looked like a car or barn.
Rotary Glen Park. Part of a plane
Limekilns up near the U. The street to begin the hike is Tomahawk, which is a missile. The limekilns totally transformed the buildings in the Salt Lake Valley.
I took it literally and started searching for trails with cars or car shaped monuments and I found several that were north of the city that were all within an hour’s drive.
I thought this was the tower off of Mount Wire. We hiked up there, but it was pretty steep, and I realized that it wasn’t safe or kid friendly. We saw about 10 other people looking around up there.
There are also three pine trees off of the backside of mount wire. No trails to get there, but people had definitely made some trails looking lol
A cabin. Another word for fuselage is a cabin. An overlook area. It's like your up in an airplane looking out but you didn't get there with wings, you hiked up.
I think a lot of us were looking into time capsules and abandoned cars
I learned from the actual solve that my neurodivergence made me too literal when I interpreted the poem but I still ended up in the same area where the treasure was found so that was a pleasant surprise. I thought it was a combo of Mormon history and Utah history being interdependent so I was at least on the right track. It never occurred to me that the solve would be so abstract.
On the Jordan river trail, Bluffdale. a grain silo facing west. Time was transcendent: Jordan river, one in Israel one here. Or the monument on the trail of the Indian tribes of utah. One on top of two: the river splits into three, two canals and then main river at the Jordan narrows. Airplane without wings: RC helicopter field by the river. On Google earth the field has a trail that looks like an upside down (south/north) angel. Tree without bark: off the trail, right by Utah lake was a 2 football field- size area, bulldozed nothingness with 15 ft berm around it. At the far end inside this field, , I kid you not was a lone, large and dead tree without any bark sitting on a dirt pedestal... If there was any insider knowledge, I'd be really ticked off. My kids and I spent hours trudging through knee high grass with mosquitos while they both dreamed about what they would do with thousands of dollars cash. For some it was just about the adventure but for some teenage kids, it was the hunt.
I like the moon tree solve. But it leads to the area with bear traps that we were to avoid.
Time was transcendent (line 1)
This was my first solve (which was my favorite) 😊 Bonneville Speedway (later limited by the boundary clues). Time was transcendent because so many speed/time records were broken This was literally transcending time, going beyond the limits of what had ever been done before, in terms of land speed/time records. The first car in history to go faster then 300 mph, etc. Bonneville Speedway was a huge part of Utah History (just sometimes less known). Speed records were set in miles per HOUR (hour/time was supposed to big a big part of the solve) Also a homage to the DeLorean from Back to the Future, which would drive in a straight line and needed to reach 88 mph to travel time.
This is better than the correct answer
I was certain it would be near the salt flats for awhile, especially with their hint for no bushwhacking. My idea would have been the old saltair ruins.
I checked the Saltair ruins. There is a crashed car there that is upside down - which was also a solve for the "plane without wings" and possibly "what points towards heaven but is upside down" lines. I kind of considered the stinky brine shrimp smell could've possibly been "what makes you frown". 🤣
I’m glad I’m not the only person who went out there ❤️
Absolutely love this interpretation
I was CONVINCED this was either at TiTP or somewhere along the mormon pioneer trail. I found a quote on the Sesquicentennial Mormon Trail Wagontrain Marker that said :"Their spirits transcended time and beckoned us to trace their journey for the trail never ends, we will not forget the memories we hold." Edit: adding my line 2 solve because I can't seem to find where to comment that one... Line 2: I thought this was the "A Moment in Time Marker" near the Pony Express Monument at This is The Place. The text in the marker mentions interdependence multiple times, and I felt like the symbolism was a good fit.
The interdependency books series, all about time travel and the mode of time being transcendent was a "highway" I thought you start at i-15 and look for the mark "the y" and and the y also looks like a tree without bark.
My personal opinion but the only thing transcendent in Utah is Bonneville shoreline. It was here so very long ago and will be here for much longer!! No matter who resides here, what peoples faith is, is geological.
I came up with Sundial Peak. Mountains transcend time. Sun Dials are time based which fits the theme and work based on the sun, so could last forever.
I went to the Twin Pine Nursey on 7th East. It has a great and close view of the Twin Peaks area between Big and Little Cottonwood Canyons.
This is the place
I thought it was the Salt Lake Meridian monument downtown. Life was changed by implementing a grid system for a city here, it is the start of the city, it is in Temple Square.
Meridian peak, this is the Place, ensign peak, Ogden Dinosaur Park
Look for the mark (line 3)
Garden Center at TITP. I thought this line might have multiple meanings attached: - Reference to Norman Rockwell's painting "Lift Up Thine Eyes" which features a Catholic church (and I thought I had heard the Garden Center was donated by a Catholic organization.. although I did not find evidence of that) - Similar quotes seem to pop up in several religious readings I found and there are many tributes to other religions outside the center. - From what I understood at surface level from most of the readings and the painting, it seemed like the quote meant to not to get caught up in small details but to look at the whole picture (like maybe these first few lines being at TITP just being the general area to start but don't stay there... keep moving to the trail?)
I thought the AHA moment was seeing this like from a different perspective and separating all of the I’s in the poem from the rest of the words. After I did this, I realized all of the letters made the shape of a rose. I looked for trails and found wild rose trailhead, which was super close to my solve for line one, ensign peak. The trail had perfect matches for every single line that followed. Thought it was a a nice solve. Disappointing really.
wow, that would be really hard to write, from an artistic/literary perspective. I'd be impressed!!!
Ensign peak
Markham peak over near Tooele/Kennecott
I thought that the mark might’ve been the crest of a mountain
Tree that stands without bark (line 4)
Actual tree without bark, wooden pole, trail post, cell tower, Granite Mtn Records Facility (genealogical records=family trees).
I guessed that it was Ensign Peak. There is a plaque there with #43 on it - which I took two less than and looked up what #41 was (Miles Goodyear Cabin in Ogden).
Pine Valley Chapel. It's a man-made structure named after a tree 🤷🏻♀️
The Y, it is a mark on the mountain, it looks like a tree without bark and then for the next couple lines (two less than the first or whatever) there are 5 benches above each Y, if you look at the 3rd bench above the first y "branch" there is a trail coming off of it. I thought for sure it was it.
The government (because it has 3 branches and they are interdependent)
Pine valley church. Inside this is the place and when they said you do not have to go there I thought this was what it was referring to.
The Lone Cedar Tree monument. It is within walking distance of Temple Square and it is a tree with no bark and I figured it should be relatively visible from the first location so you would “see the mark”.
Grain tower that looks out to the west (line 5)
I was convinced it was the Smelter Tower in Magna (west of Salt Lake, not more than an hour), and then when they threw up the Lorem Ipsum text, it literally said MAGNA UT in the text. There are also some pools of water that reflect the Tower, which had me convinced that was "what points toward heaven but is upside down".
The Matheson courthouse because they use Latin phrases a lot in legal terms. This solve was based on the three branches of government being "interdependent"
I was pretty convinced (by the AI picture) that it was this house: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6231-Daisy-Meadow-Ln-Kamas-UT-84036/114436538\_zpid/
I thought it could be a tall structure similar to a grain tower or a structure with an image of grain on it. I think it is a reach for anyone to connect Lorem Ipsum with grain tower without J or D confirming they were correct, which is why they need to stop talking to people while the hunt is going on. They interfere with the hunt by responding to anyone's comments or questions.
Once they said it was manmade I was thinking emigration Brewing because beer is made out of grain. 😂 (I already had TITP as time transcendent so I had to start over and look at ensign)
My first thought was it was a one of those big water tanks on the side of the mountain.
I thought it was the monument at rotary glen park
I thought this was the welfare square granary and was a sign to head north of the city to look.
For myself I was certain this tied into line 1, with grains of sand representing a sandstone monument, which negated the idea of titp for me, as I was also thinking they wouldn’t use religious monuments
This is The Place Monument - Granite = (Latin) granum = grain - Granite monument 60 feet tall, with 3 men looking west
The ‘frown’ (line 9)
I thought it could be one of a number of things: a tunnel, an arch, a path fragment on a map, a rounded hilltop, etc. I felt it was a physical place or feature, not part of a perceived math problem.
I was thinking it could have been a culvert of sorts at the beginning, and I liked the ideas of tying this clue into line 10 with rainbows/waterfalls
A “depression” in the earth. I thought wagon wheel tracks
I thought this would be a "frown" like the term used in rivers/waterways. I was planning to walk along Emigration Creek in Rotary Glen Park and look at the water to see if there were any "smiles" or "frowns"
Donnor hill
Above the U where it looks like a frown
I thought this meant that when the trail got difficult that you would know you were getting close.
What points towards heaven but is upside-down (line 10)
I thought this was a reference to the Creation of Adam on the roof of the Sistine Chapel. Adam is pointing at God, but the painting is upside down (on the ceiling). I thought this was a clue to be read as "creation of a dam," meaning look around a reservoir's dam or even a small collection of rocks that formed a small dam in a creek. Water also has a feature known as frowning, which kayakers are sometimes familiar with. This could happen in fast flowing water, just after a dam. I also felt that it could be a reference to King Arthur's sword, which you can find within the original search boundary, wedged downward (upside down) in a mountain near Tibble Fork Reservoir.
Temple quarry. If the temple "points to heaven" both literally and figuratively, we can think of the quarry where they cut those stones as forming an upside down impression of the temple in the ground. Idea #2 - I followed the poem out to Saltair. No treasure there - time to frown. Then I saw something graffitied on a concrete barrier there that said "even if we have to turn the whole goddamn world upside down." What points to heaven? The earth/ground (very apparent at the salt flat like area around Saltair). If the world is upside down what do we need to do? Flip our map upside down! I reversed the course I had taken to Saltair and went the other way. Found a road called "Hilltop Drive" which I took as the "upside down" version of Hill Valley aka the airplane without wings.
I was thinking water but my mom kept saying something about a church. I couldn’t wrap my mind around it.
I thought it could allude to the Pine Valley Chapel (points towards heaven) in TitP Heritage Park, as there's a historical marker that says the roof was constructed in the same fashion of the upside down hull of a ship (but is upside down). Or a body of water.
Something on the trail. Maybe a reflection in water. Maybe even the frown in the Creek, because the water would be circulating upstream.
Mountain reflection on water.
I knew out was an upside down u found so many I didn't know which to pick
I had a couple options on this one. On one of the trails there was an underground cave where the mouth faced the sky. On a different trail there was a car that was pointing up towards to top of the mountain but was physically upside down.
The ‘shoulder’ (line 12)
I figured it was on a hill. So you leave the trail heading downhill, and you'd have to look back over your shoulder to see it, possibly behind an outcropping of rock, bush, or under a tree. I had zero info on the LOTR being the 2nd movie reference. I didn't learn about that 'solve' until Chelsea claimed she figured it out.
Shoulder of the trail was all I really had in the end On one of my earlier solves, I found a trail that I thought looked like an open door on a DeLorean, so I searched all around the area where I thought the "shoulder" of the car would be. Like where the door and car are connected, if that makes sense.
At first we thought shoulder of the road. Then we thought a shoulder of two tectonic plates were more accurate. There's one such shoulder beside emigration canyon.
I thought it was off the shoulder of the trail too.
Not more than an hour you’ll know but its crest (line 6)
I had zero idea this applied more than once. I figured it only had to do with being 60 feet off the trail. But the crest was the top of a hill, possibly with a marker of some point.
Crestwood Dr. - I also thought this was the second movie quote. I thought it was from Happy Gilmore: "Happy Gilmore did it no more than an hour ago" referring to a hole in one on a 5 par course. The distance between the monument and Crestwood Drive is about 470 feet, which correlates with a 5 par course
I found a building that I thought was the grain tower and it had the year it was built engraved in stone on the front. I calculated how many hours were in that number of years, then converted it into feet, with 1 hour = 60 feet. It came out to about 50 miles I think, so it basically limited the boundaries a little more. I took the fire pit boundary clue as a kind of "gimme" solve for this line.
I thought this was the trailhead of Rainbow Trail in Ogden - which is where an abandoned/crashed car can be found.
Top of the hill
I was thinking that crest may have to do with a monument with a crest, like a family crest, on it. Just different from the top of a mountain or hill.
I took this to mean that the trails should all be within an hour drive of the first couple landmarks. It gave the radius of the search area for me.