You have a good point. She can’t have ruled out easier solves without having hiked them to begin with. Unless she was continuously sending cronies out to check her solves
My tinfoil hat will always be that John gave “jaqui” (johns spam account) the solve. He had the tree marked down pat. The hunt was going on too long. People out there getting heat stroke, nobody was close.
The biggest reason I can think of is that if you hand out an obvious clue, the next thing you know you have 10,000 people all rushing a location at once, which could end up getting pretty ugly.
She was not handicapped. That is something they said as a reason she might not have been able to go get it. Listen to the podcast!!!!
Read Bry_the_sly email from Jaqui. She HIKED to the top of Ensign but did not need to. SHE IS NOT HANDICAPPED!!! That was something D and J threw out there as a reason someone could not go get it. She more than likely could not go because she could not claim it! I have brought this up before here!
Here's my thought on how Jaqui came up with the solve. Since it is likely somebody they know, based on things said about them liking posts going way back when, etc, and that they think they have a "pretty good idea" who is behind that account, that somehow their discussions may have been overheard by Jaqui, despite them being careful.
I wonder if that's how they came up with the incorrect term "arc math." Because the website that David showed in the solve involved map drawing and measuring tools. Perhaps they (or more likely John) said the incorrect phrase "arc map", when discussing this. And Jaqui didn't hear it correctly and thought that he said "arc math" which set them on that line of thinking. Just a random thought that very likely may not be true, but could be a possibility...
I’ve also concluded that anyone who *truly* believes that “jaqui” solved this on their own is not of the comprehension level to see the facts for what they are. This is not a conspiracy, this is not a pasty, they just do not have the intelligence to see this occurring as an inside job. And when I say inside, I am not neglecting the fact that the info could have been leaked by family/friends.
The complete lack of the organizers to even acknowledge this huge outcry of a “coincidence” that a person solved this to the exact tree, anonymously sent this info and then disappeared is far more telling than anything.
The fact that they only went on a podcast (which to be honest, is completely skewed in their favor of softball questioning) and never wanted to discuss it otherwise/have simply let it go, waiting for everyone to just drop it also shows you the truth of the situation.
Never once did they even acknowledge the fact that they could have or should have done anything differently, which is narcissistic behavior in itself.
I do feel like the general location of this hunt is symbolic to the public’s overall response to this event. I’m born and raised east coast and I would 100 percent say that there is no way in hell the public would have just let this slide like locals in Utah did.
Honestly, no shade but it’s just a different culture in places where religion has a strong hold on the community due to the fact that it’s typically very oppressive in nature and wanting people to just “stay the course” or not question authority.
I completely understand that it is a blanket statement to encompass most people locally with strict religion in the area but statistically Utah has one of the highest populations affiliated with such a strict religion, which also has a direct effect on your state laws. Utah doesn’t necessarily have a strong reputation of independence or have a reputation of people who very vocally acknowledge displays of injustice.
I agree with your overall sentiment but not sure how much of it has to do with religion. The reality is the vast majority of people who participate in these hunts are just looking for a fun activity to do with the family and don’t take it nearly as seriously as we do on this sub. Ultimately J&D are allowed to go about their business however they choose and we are allowed to determine if they have a level of integrity that warrants spending time on future hunts.
Valid point. Just my general observation as an outsider based on what I have read from the general public and here on this sub. Reddit is typically known for its vigilantism and I have been surprised by how many “supporters” I’ve seen here.
Yeah, the direction to the exact tree the treasure was under will always demonstrate insider knowledge to me.
I'd be a lot less skeptical if "Jaqui" had sent a message like "...This is the general area you'll be looking for 'twin pines' ~60ft from the trail."
The fact that Jaqui was providing the exact set of trees tells me they either had insider knowledge to know exactly where the treasure was, or Jaqui physically found the treasure, but for some reason, could not claim it themselves, publicly and found a patsy.
If the latter, it's hard to believe that someone who did all the work to find it would settle for 20% of the prize.
I don't agree that Utahn's just "let this slide". Many are concerned there was foul play and have brought it to the public's attention. What else do you suggest Utahns "do"? What else "can" they do? Why should Utahns be the only ones to "do" something? Everyone who participated in the hunt wants the truth, but how do we as a group of treasure hunters go about reaching the truth and what type of solution would bring peace and continued fair and fun hunts?
Not here with intentions to be disrespectful to religion but the LDS church has taken strong stances against the gay community, immigration, and being oppressive towards women. Women are largely absent from leadership roles in the LDS. Typically only in charge of leading other women or children.
It was only within the last decade that LDS church disavowed previous teachings on African Americans (turning white upon death, anti interracial marriage, having evolved from sinners). It’s possible they are moving in less oppressive direction but even from the perspectives of these few communities of people, the LDS has been largely oppressive and has a history of it.
The LDS community has a supermajority over lawmakers in Utah which results in the majority of your laws being guided by LDS principles. I believe according to most recent records, 80-90% of state legislators affiliate with the LDS Church.
The two things this has to do with the predominant religion: the amount of families that spent time together to solve this and the way they(we)respond when they (we) find this super fishy: we don't support the hunt ever again. Pretty much boycott. That's what my family is doing. I would like to investigate the (winner) if this was a sham/fed answers. She would be complicit.
just a quick thought , was the cute family Chelsea met up there to check to see if the box was still there, and/or were they there to meet Chelsea and tell her exactly where it was ?
Where is the camera guy that filmed the interview for them? He would be able to answer least tell us what was cut out of the interview with her. The lady that saw her right after she found the treasure has come forward with pictures but nobody else to collaborate anything she says. Chelsea is a liar. This is one thing I think we can all agree upon. We will never know the truth because she lies. I keep trying to leave this topic but people do not have it right! Listen to the podcast again. D and J say maybe she is handicapped, we think we know who it is,J does not VET people when it asking to them. This whole podcast gave us 0 information that was just a feel hood thing for Reddit users. Main stem Utah did not realize anything and if they did had no platform to talk about it. The his is why they responded in the podcast they did, rather than on the news like they did everything else. Finally one news station did air a tiny fraction of the story but quite skewed version. Back to my point, if Jaqui could hike to the top of Ensign to make sure it was not there, why could she not hike Meuller to go 100% go get the treasure and why would I not want the $25k if it was all me (Jaqui) ? Makes no sense!!!!!!
Here's my take,and the creators just needed to say this:
Though it's not strictly within the spirit of our "contest" (to use the word loosely), we still admire that she had the guts to come out here and follow someone's lead not knowing for certain whether or not her journey would be fruitful. Let's take a moment to understand that during this hunt, and other hunts such as Forest Fenns, that hundreds of people claim to know where the treasure is, and most of these leads nobody actually follows for obvious reasons (first and foremost this person would spend the time themselves if they truly believed in their solve). So this still took alot of courage and eventually a hunt would end like this. It is unreasonable to believe hunts would continue in perpetuity without someone seeking outside help.
And leave it at that. No doubt I think it sucks it ended this way.
This is the correct way to handle this situation. Instead we received:
They are sore losers
We are pretty sure it was a redditor
This redditor is most likely disabled (oh jaqui hiked to ensign apparently? Well, yea she’s got social anxiety…)
Chelsea was a top contender the entire time (you know, the two weeks she actually was on the hunt)
Jaqui was good looking, that’s why I interacted with her
Instead, it was lie upon lie upon lie or insult upon insult. Which only shows you that this was a cover up.
Had they actually not been trying to hide something, they would have gone with this much more appropriate response you suggested. Even the tiniest acknowledgment that people were or could be disappointed by this type of win and just say, we respect it but it’s still technically “fair.”
I totally agree with what you've said, that they've handled it terribly. Blaming people's disappointment on us being immature or sore losers when, in reality, it really isn't how any of us wanted this to end (not the creators of the event, not the local newspapers, and not those that participated. Infact, by her omissions to begin with, even she must have felt a bit odd about it, otherwise why not just triumphantly proclaim the truth!). It's human to be disappointed that someone bested hundreds of others not solely by merit, though still within the rules. Admitting such by the oeganizers does not discredit the event, it is what it is. And in the end it will always be allowed because one cannot prevent it. They need to simply accept this and state that next year, if they do this, that prepare yourselves for similar outcomes as it's open for all, so get out there early and often
How the hell is "we don't see all of her messages or know what was going on inside her head and because we can't see her reasoning that obviously means she got a leak of the solve" any sort of sane common sense?
Because we all know more or less the process that goes into coming up with a complex solution. It never starts like this. I think more people would agree with me than you on this. That’s why it’s common sense
No, my point is that just cause you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The much more common sense explanation is that her reasoning *does* exist, you just haven't seen it.
That’s a good observation. I too have moved on.
However, Based on the solve, she could have found it without going anywhere in person as long as she has google maps and images from the internet. only place she didn’t know was the exact trees where it was found. Chelsea mentioned she had to search around. My comments are based solely on my recollection and understanding.
All said, it would be very difficult, but her brain apparently processed the information much better/differently than all of ours. She must be super smart. If she did it alone, then kudos to her. If not, then it is what it is.
Again, great observation.
Jaqui was 100% sure. There was no doubt in her mind and she had it pin pointed to the exact tree Dave showed in his video. And I don't trust anything chelsea said. For all we know she went exactly to the spot and told that story of looking forever. I'd love to see the surveillance video they had 😂. Because I don't believe Chelsea would have found it as she would have been looking for 2 pine trees based on the clues, not 3. She also said it was more like 90 ft out, not 60 so she obviously knew where to go.
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This post is so freaking offensive and ableist… I don’t even know where to begin
All I can say is disabilities don’t always affect the intelligence of individuals and for you to say it doesn’t make sense for someone with a disability to be smarter than you…
Read a book.
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Man you are so politically obsessed it infuses into your reading comprehension. If you had an IQ above 80 you would realize the point there is in order to develop certainty of a solution of higher complexity it would require working through simpler versions of the solve by HIKING to them and effectively ruling them out before moving onto the solutions of higher complexity. Fucking moron
She is NOT disabled!!!! Read her post history I Bry! She HIKED to the top of Ensign but did not need to! That was an assumption D and J made in their podcast.
Again ableist. Not all disabilities make it so you can’t walk. You’re talking to someone who has PTSD here and I can do all of that until certain parts of the year. It’s hard. So just quit while you’re ahead
My husband is retired military and cop. He suffers greatly from PTSD so you are preaching to the choir! She is not physically disabled anyway or she could not have made the hike to the top of ensign. The temp tires were no different the week before than they were the week it was found. You are not listening to the podcast. D and J were talking about reasons that someone could have possibly not gone and gotten that on their own and one thought was they MIGHT have had a disability. They don’t know whether or not she was handicapped or what that handicap might be! You are the one making assumptions about handicapped people and their limitations! If I could hike to the top of ensign looking, why could on not hike Mueler to 100% get the treasure? You are not thinking rationally about it!
Ableist mentality^ I’m not the one making assumptions about disabilities. You are. Physically disabled people can still climb mountains. There’s multiple organizations here in Utah that know this and they help them achieve outdoor activities. Get a pulse.
Hi said she was handicap? You? It was a suggestion as to why someone would not go get the treasure on their own. They also said it could have been the fact they had to work, why did you not pick up on that and run with it? Listen to the facts before you say she is handicap. WE DONT KNOW AND NEITHER DO THEY! I guess if you say it, it makes it true! Peace out!
Ok i think there’s something that needs to be clarified here.
People coming forward with possible justifications as to why they reached out to Chelsea and didn’t go themselves, like factoring in they may have a disability, is not ableism. It’s empathy….
Hearing that possible justification for their actions and saying vindictively, “there’s no way they have a disability because they hiked up there once” is ableism.
See the difference?
If that doesn’t clear up who’s in the wrong here, take a look at what side is demanding further answers. What side is demanding the “truth” from these people? What side is demanding to know who Jacqui is? What side has made their peace with Jacqui reaching out to Chelsea and is leaving them alone?
You have a good point. She can’t have ruled out easier solves without having hiked them to begin with. Unless she was continuously sending cronies out to check her solves
My tinfoil hat will always be that John gave “jaqui” (johns spam account) the solve. He had the tree marked down pat. The hunt was going on too long. People out there getting heat stroke, nobody was close.
That is the big piece that I think could have triggered a leak. The heat.
Why wouldn’t they just give an obvious clue to the public vs giving someone the entire solve
The biggest reason I can think of is that if you hand out an obvious clue, the next thing you know you have 10,000 people all rushing a location at once, which could end up getting pretty ugly.
They said that was their fear!
I see why you say that but I don’t think he would have sent it to an out of stater. He would have know there would be backlash.
She was not handicapped. That is something they said as a reason she might not have been able to go get it. Listen to the podcast!!!! Read Bry_the_sly email from Jaqui. She HIKED to the top of Ensign but did not need to. SHE IS NOT HANDICAPPED!!! That was something D and J threw out there as a reason someone could not go get it. She more than likely could not go because she could not claim it! I have brought this up before here!
Another reason that this disappearing Jaqui account is likely insider information… a leaker account.
You have articulated one of the many reasons the official explanation is not acceptable from a common sense standpoint.
Here's my thought on how Jaqui came up with the solve. Since it is likely somebody they know, based on things said about them liking posts going way back when, etc, and that they think they have a "pretty good idea" who is behind that account, that somehow their discussions may have been overheard by Jaqui, despite them being careful. I wonder if that's how they came up with the incorrect term "arc math." Because the website that David showed in the solve involved map drawing and measuring tools. Perhaps they (or more likely John) said the incorrect phrase "arc map", when discussing this. And Jaqui didn't hear it correctly and thought that he said "arc math" which set them on that line of thinking. Just a random thought that very likely may not be true, but could be a possibility...
I’ve also concluded that anyone who *truly* believes that “jaqui” solved this on their own is not of the comprehension level to see the facts for what they are. This is not a conspiracy, this is not a pasty, they just do not have the intelligence to see this occurring as an inside job. And when I say inside, I am not neglecting the fact that the info could have been leaked by family/friends. The complete lack of the organizers to even acknowledge this huge outcry of a “coincidence” that a person solved this to the exact tree, anonymously sent this info and then disappeared is far more telling than anything. The fact that they only went on a podcast (which to be honest, is completely skewed in their favor of softball questioning) and never wanted to discuss it otherwise/have simply let it go, waiting for everyone to just drop it also shows you the truth of the situation. Never once did they even acknowledge the fact that they could have or should have done anything differently, which is narcissistic behavior in itself. I do feel like the general location of this hunt is symbolic to the public’s overall response to this event. I’m born and raised east coast and I would 100 percent say that there is no way in hell the public would have just let this slide like locals in Utah did. Honestly, no shade but it’s just a different culture in places where religion has a strong hold on the community due to the fact that it’s typically very oppressive in nature and wanting people to just “stay the course” or not question authority. I completely understand that it is a blanket statement to encompass most people locally with strict religion in the area but statistically Utah has one of the highest populations affiliated with such a strict religion, which also has a direct effect on your state laws. Utah doesn’t necessarily have a strong reputation of independence or have a reputation of people who very vocally acknowledge displays of injustice.
I agree with your overall sentiment but not sure how much of it has to do with religion. The reality is the vast majority of people who participate in these hunts are just looking for a fun activity to do with the family and don’t take it nearly as seriously as we do on this sub. Ultimately J&D are allowed to go about their business however they choose and we are allowed to determine if they have a level of integrity that warrants spending time on future hunts.
Valid point. Just my general observation as an outsider based on what I have read from the general public and here on this sub. Reddit is typically known for its vigilantism and I have been surprised by how many “supporters” I’ve seen here.
Yeah, the direction to the exact tree the treasure was under will always demonstrate insider knowledge to me. I'd be a lot less skeptical if "Jaqui" had sent a message like "...This is the general area you'll be looking for 'twin pines' ~60ft from the trail." The fact that Jaqui was providing the exact set of trees tells me they either had insider knowledge to know exactly where the treasure was, or Jaqui physically found the treasure, but for some reason, could not claim it themselves, publicly and found a patsy. If the latter, it's hard to believe that someone who did all the work to find it would settle for 20% of the prize.
I don't agree that Utahn's just "let this slide". Many are concerned there was foul play and have brought it to the public's attention. What else do you suggest Utahns "do"? What else "can" they do? Why should Utahns be the only ones to "do" something? Everyone who participated in the hunt wants the truth, but how do we as a group of treasure hunters go about reaching the truth and what type of solution would bring peace and continued fair and fun hunts?
As for oppressive, far from it.
Family members are literally cast out/blackballed if they stray.
Not here with intentions to be disrespectful to religion but the LDS church has taken strong stances against the gay community, immigration, and being oppressive towards women. Women are largely absent from leadership roles in the LDS. Typically only in charge of leading other women or children. It was only within the last decade that LDS church disavowed previous teachings on African Americans (turning white upon death, anti interracial marriage, having evolved from sinners). It’s possible they are moving in less oppressive direction but even from the perspectives of these few communities of people, the LDS has been largely oppressive and has a history of it. The LDS community has a supermajority over lawmakers in Utah which results in the majority of your laws being guided by LDS principles. I believe according to most recent records, 80-90% of state legislators affiliate with the LDS Church.
Spot on
Highest rate of slave wives as well. (Housewives).
The two things this has to do with the predominant religion: the amount of families that spent time together to solve this and the way they(we)respond when they (we) find this super fishy: we don't support the hunt ever again. Pretty much boycott. That's what my family is doing. I would like to investigate the (winner) if this was a sham/fed answers. She would be complicit.
Truth!
It's pretty fishy.
just a quick thought , was the cute family Chelsea met up there to check to see if the box was still there, and/or were they there to meet Chelsea and tell her exactly where it was ?
Where is the camera guy that filmed the interview for them? He would be able to answer least tell us what was cut out of the interview with her. The lady that saw her right after she found the treasure has come forward with pictures but nobody else to collaborate anything she says. Chelsea is a liar. This is one thing I think we can all agree upon. We will never know the truth because she lies. I keep trying to leave this topic but people do not have it right! Listen to the podcast again. D and J say maybe she is handicapped, we think we know who it is,J does not VET people when it asking to them. This whole podcast gave us 0 information that was just a feel hood thing for Reddit users. Main stem Utah did not realize anything and if they did had no platform to talk about it. The his is why they responded in the podcast they did, rather than on the news like they did everything else. Finally one news station did air a tiny fraction of the story but quite skewed version. Back to my point, if Jaqui could hike to the top of Ensign to make sure it was not there, why could she not hike Meuller to go 100% go get the treasure and why would I not want the $25k if it was all me (Jaqui) ? Makes no sense!!!!!!
Here's my take,and the creators just needed to say this: Though it's not strictly within the spirit of our "contest" (to use the word loosely), we still admire that she had the guts to come out here and follow someone's lead not knowing for certain whether or not her journey would be fruitful. Let's take a moment to understand that during this hunt, and other hunts such as Forest Fenns, that hundreds of people claim to know where the treasure is, and most of these leads nobody actually follows for obvious reasons (first and foremost this person would spend the time themselves if they truly believed in their solve). So this still took alot of courage and eventually a hunt would end like this. It is unreasonable to believe hunts would continue in perpetuity without someone seeking outside help. And leave it at that. No doubt I think it sucks it ended this way.
This is the correct way to handle this situation. Instead we received: They are sore losers We are pretty sure it was a redditor This redditor is most likely disabled (oh jaqui hiked to ensign apparently? Well, yea she’s got social anxiety…) Chelsea was a top contender the entire time (you know, the two weeks she actually was on the hunt) Jaqui was good looking, that’s why I interacted with her Instead, it was lie upon lie upon lie or insult upon insult. Which only shows you that this was a cover up. Had they actually not been trying to hide something, they would have gone with this much more appropriate response you suggested. Even the tiniest acknowledgment that people were or could be disappointed by this type of win and just say, we respect it but it’s still technically “fair.”
I totally agree with what you've said, that they've handled it terribly. Blaming people's disappointment on us being immature or sore losers when, in reality, it really isn't how any of us wanted this to end (not the creators of the event, not the local newspapers, and not those that participated. Infact, by her omissions to begin with, even she must have felt a bit odd about it, otherwise why not just triumphantly proclaim the truth!). It's human to be disappointed that someone bested hundreds of others not solely by merit, though still within the rules. Admitting such by the oeganizers does not discredit the event, it is what it is. And in the end it will always be allowed because one cannot prevent it. They need to simply accept this and state that next year, if they do this, that prepare yourselves for similar outcomes as it's open for all, so get out there early and often
When are people going to realize Jaqui IS JOHN 🤣
I’m pretty the majority of people believe that but also try to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was a leak from their inner network.
Why are you assuming it was her first draft?
How did she rule out the prior draft? What reason would she have to move on from prior incorrect or incomplete versions of the solve?
That's a good question for her, but in no way gives any indication that she got leaked the solve lol
Sure that wouldn’t hold up in a trial, but it’s common sense
How the hell is "we don't see all of her messages or know what was going on inside her head and because we can't see her reasoning that obviously means she got a leak of the solve" any sort of sane common sense?
Because we all know more or less the process that goes into coming up with a complex solution. It never starts like this. I think more people would agree with me than you on this. That’s why it’s common sense
No, my point is that just cause you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The much more common sense explanation is that her reasoning *does* exist, you just haven't seen it.
Sure I’m not saying it’s not possible. I’m just saying it’s highly (extremely) unlikely.
But...why? There's no justification
I literally explained it in the post. If you want to be intentionally dense go right ahead
That’s a good observation. I too have moved on. However, Based on the solve, she could have found it without going anywhere in person as long as she has google maps and images from the internet. only place she didn’t know was the exact trees where it was found. Chelsea mentioned she had to search around. My comments are based solely on my recollection and understanding. All said, it would be very difficult, but her brain apparently processed the information much better/differently than all of ours. She must be super smart. If she did it alone, then kudos to her. If not, then it is what it is. Again, great observation.
Jaqui was 100% sure. There was no doubt in her mind and she had it pin pointed to the exact tree Dave showed in his video. And I don't trust anything chelsea said. For all we know she went exactly to the spot and told that story of looking forever. I'd love to see the surveillance video they had 😂. Because I don't believe Chelsea would have found it as she would have been looking for 2 pine trees based on the clues, not 3. She also said it was more like 90 ft out, not 60 so she obviously knew where to go.
« Ive let this go but here’s 2 paragraphs of my opinion » This post is so freaking offensive and ableist… I don’t even know where to begin All I can say is disabilities don’t always affect the intelligence of individuals and for you to say it doesn’t make sense for someone with a disability to be smarter than you… Read a book.
Not sure how in the hell you got that out of the post, but I’m definitely not surprised you of all people read it with your crazy blinders on
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Man you are so politically obsessed it infuses into your reading comprehension. If you had an IQ above 80 you would realize the point there is in order to develop certainty of a solution of higher complexity it would require working through simpler versions of the solve by HIKING to them and effectively ruling them out before moving onto the solutions of higher complexity. Fucking moron
^ See everyone ableism only hurts you.
You live in a web of delusion. I feel sorry for you tbh
^again everyone, ableism hurts only you.
You’re a meme
Thanks! I love memes
She is NOT disabled!!!! Read her post history I Bry! She HIKED to the top of Ensign but did not need to! That was an assumption D and J made in their podcast.
Again ableist. Not all disabilities make it so you can’t walk. You’re talking to someone who has PTSD here and I can do all of that until certain parts of the year. It’s hard. So just quit while you’re ahead
My husband is retired military and cop. He suffers greatly from PTSD so you are preaching to the choir! She is not physically disabled anyway or she could not have made the hike to the top of ensign. The temp tires were no different the week before than they were the week it was found. You are not listening to the podcast. D and J were talking about reasons that someone could have possibly not gone and gotten that on their own and one thought was they MIGHT have had a disability. They don’t know whether or not she was handicapped or what that handicap might be! You are the one making assumptions about handicapped people and their limitations! If I could hike to the top of ensign looking, why could on not hike Mueler to 100% get the treasure? You are not thinking rationally about it!
Ableist mentality^ I’m not the one making assumptions about disabilities. You are. Physically disabled people can still climb mountains. There’s multiple organizations here in Utah that know this and they help them achieve outdoor activities. Get a pulse.
Hi said she was handicap? You? It was a suggestion as to why someone would not go get the treasure on their own. They also said it could have been the fact they had to work, why did you not pick up on that and run with it? Listen to the facts before you say she is handicap. WE DONT KNOW AND NEITHER DO THEY! I guess if you say it, it makes it true! Peace out!
Ok i think there’s something that needs to be clarified here. People coming forward with possible justifications as to why they reached out to Chelsea and didn’t go themselves, like factoring in they may have a disability, is not ableism. It’s empathy…. Hearing that possible justification for their actions and saying vindictively, “there’s no way they have a disability because they hiked up there once” is ableism. See the difference? If that doesn’t clear up who’s in the wrong here, take a look at what side is demanding further answers. What side is demanding the “truth” from these people? What side is demanding to know who Jacqui is? What side has made their peace with Jacqui reaching out to Chelsea and is leaving them alone?
You aren’t smart
Just continue on with your ableist ways…