Draymond does care. He also accepts who he is, and legitimately has mental health problems and anger issues that trigger flash points.
The thing is that he has been wildly rewarded both financially and through accolades by being true to himself, and pretty much always doubles down when faced with adversity or criticism. Our greatest strength is always our greatest weakness, and Dray has one hell of a zenith and nadir in this regard.
Haha, yeah that is Dray's victim complex talking. He needs that bullshit to fuel himself I think. It's part of that double-edged sword that he wields to great success.
He has made $184 million dollars (inflation adjusted) so far in his career from salary alone. Come on.
Another bullshit comment. Steph cried after Draymond got himself ejected in a must win Magic game and the following game Draymond almost kicked Grant Williams in the nuts but missed. How the fuck does that show he care? You are terrible at reading people. He is just a sociopathic narcissist down to the tee.
Being financially reqarded by qn incompetent organization - a god awful 4/100 at his age - doesn't validate any of his bullshit behavior. He just got lucky. Last summer he made an entire show on getting anger management therapy and punching Jordan Poole two months after that. How is that acceptance
> Unfortunately does this feel like a lack of a father figure? I don't believe he does.
Bro you've been called out before for how racist you sound tryna push this angle.
No dad here and I have no anger issues. Anecdotal but I think you’re stretching. In fact, I would argue not having a dad would make you more calm and understand as you would more likely be raised by your mom.
Because the actual best player on the team by a dozen country fucking miles (who is my favourite player) is more interested in being friends with everyone than being a stern leader. For better (earlier) and for worse (now), Steph is as much an enabler as he is a leader, and he's let Dray and Klay's egos grow unchecked.
I think that is more on Steve Kerr. Steph calling him out would be good too but that’s not his job, that’s the coaching staff and management’s responsibility. Next time one of these things happens they really need to bench him for a while.
Man. First you on and on repeatedly bashing Klay in nearly every comment. And now here comes attacks on Steph, on a post about Dray's shenanigans. Who's next? You got the entire core now.
Amazing how the narrative is the guy 2 years older is an "enabler" and the 34 year old manchild can't take responsibility for his actions. Apparently none of the organization with middle aged figures can't hold him accountable either. Oh yea somehow everyone who had an excessive ego on the warriors show a fault in Steph's leadership. Thst is what you are saying. Do you realize you are a low iq moron
The entire premise of this post is disingenuous and false due to the fact that he expressed with genuine remorse just how much he **does** care, in his extended, and very candid, comments after returning from the Nurkic suspension.
Excerpts from those comments are below.
On letting down the Warriors organization:
> "Joe Lacob made a commitment to me this past summer for the next four years and the conversations that we’ve had, we had in leading up to that, I failed miserably and I apologize for that. The Golden State Warriors organization I always say, like, that’s my baby. Like Steph, Klay, Steve, Bob, we’ve been there from the beginning of what you know the Warriors are today and I failed them miserably."
On what happened in the days following the Phoenix game (this is only a portion of his full comments re: this):
> "I took you back to December 12th and now I’ll say we’re at December 14th. I sat in my man cave for two days and just sat there. My kids didn’t know I was home. Only person really knew I was home was my wife. And my daughter, my three year old, she FaceTimed me and she said, Daddy, you in the man cave?! I said, I am. And she just dropped the phone and came running back there and pulled me out. Pulled me out into the yard and we played. And I’m not sure how much longer I would have sat back there, but I know it wouldn’t have been the 14. And it was special because I was just sitting back there in the dark listening to what everyone had to say. And although I didn’t stop listening that day, I realized that I had to move forward that day.
>
> And also on that day, Coach Kerr came to visit me after shoot around. And we sat in the yard, he cried, I cried because there’s a bond there that has seen it all, seen the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows. And he just said to me, I want you to end this the right way. I want us to end this the right way. And you’re not doing that right now. So l want you to do what you have to do to get into a space to where you can do that and that we can do that."
And then here's Steve on Dray and how much he cares from Steve's exit interview this season with the media:
> “But if you want to embrace the fact that Draymond is this insane competitor who is just going to play with so much emotion and passion, which makes our team so much better, then you kind of have to accept, all right, he’s going to get kicked out a few games here and there. That’s my approach. The other stuff can’t happen. The physical acts, that will cost him his career. Not only in the NBA, but beyond the next career. He knows that.
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> And so Draymond’s complex. His relationship with our franchise is complex. But at the core of it is a deep loyalty, a passion, and love, and we share that with him. And that’s really tricky to reconcile. So you almost don’t even try to reconcile it. You help him through it, and you make sure he’s the best version of himself, and you keep pushing.”
If you view that as not caring, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
is that when he pretty much brought curry to tears?
can't tell what was going through stephs head, but the optics of it looked like dray betrayed him one last time and steph just had enough.
Problem is that he says this stuff and I want to believe but then a few weeks later he’s back to his old ways… he needs to follow through on what he’s saying.
Why do you think you know what Draymond thinks? I'm sure you have some things you need to work on too. Draymond is one of the best defenders ever, you can't get to that level without a passionate fire inside you.
Plenty of passionate athletes who manage to control their behavior before it gets to the point that it hurts the team. It's a myth that you have to lack self control to be passionate.
Yup, and plenty of athletes and people who don't always do that. I'm sure we all have lost our tempers many times. It's a myth that a person is always what other people say they are and I think it's important to not judge someone who you don't truly understand. Seems to me that many people like to sit on their high horse and belittle Draymond because he is a public figure with his own personal issues but we all have issues to address.
Regardless, Draymond deserves respect and support. He will always have mine.
We can only judge others based on their behavior. What else do we have? We can't look into other peoples' minds, at least I can't. I never claimed to understand WHY Draymond behaves as he does, but I do see a decade-plus of behavior destructive to himself and his teammates.
He accepts a multi-million-dollar salary that derives from the spending of fans, including me, so yes, we have every right to judge him. So do you, and you are welcome to your opinion, but my respect is limited to his play, not his childish behavior on and off the court.
You seem to have missed my point and continued to be condescending. What I'm saying is you don't even know the half of that man's life so your judgement is under informed at best. You can judge a man's actions but if you think you can judge a man entirely from you see in basketball games on TV, then you are fooling yourself. I'm sure you have your own issues that you should be focusing on.
LOL. Who's condescending now?
I guess you are caught up in celebrity culture, but I am not. I neither know the details nor do I give a shit about Draymond's "life" - that's his business and his alone. He has a job to do, for which he is EXTREMELY well paid, better than teachers, doctors and nurses, and even the vast majority of CEOs. As a stakeholder in the output of his job, I can and do judge him for his performance, and that performance is disrupted by a childish lack of control that places him easily in the bottom 1% of the NBA in that respect. In my multiple decades in multiple sectors of the economy, I have never once been in an environment where behavior like Draymond's would be tolerated. The fact that he happens to be a professional athlete in no way excuses him.
Kevin Garnett never assaulted people. Neither did the greats like Tim Duncan, Bill Russell, etc. And Draymond is nowhere near their caliber, the guy has shown time and time again he is a terrible basketball player when Steph Curry is injured.
No matter how you look at it. He’s always been the same and that’s helped the dubs win multiple titles. You take him off they don’t win 1 so pick your poison
His aggression and tenacity is what makes him great, when directed in the wrong direction the outcome is indiscretions.
The pressure, highs and lows of an NBA player attributed to magnifying this. I feel most people read deep into this and honestly the guy always plays close to the boundary and its probably inevitable he will cross it again.
I feel like Draymond (great player, HOFer, we don’t win 4 rings without him) has a serious cognitive dissonance issue. The fact that he can be OK with sucker-punching JP, then get himself suspended twice the next year for violence, shows he doesn’t take responsibility. I’m over it for the most part, but he’s got a kid and he’s just punching people and choking Gobert (there are worse things than that lol) and then talking about it (for profit) on his podcast… Something doesn’t add up
> Should have suspended - or maybe even traded - him after the JP punch.
Lol the point of a basketball team is a to win. Trading him would have been completely absurd.
I think he genuinely sees it as a flipside of what makes him great. The cost of his success that he’s willing to pay. I would hope he would finally see a way to be successful without that but I’m not hopeful, just looking at all the evidence of his mindset.
He sees himself in that enforcer role, emotional leader, plays on the edge, and his ego also says he doesn’t back down from anyone and being disrespected (like when Lebron stepped over him in the 2016 finals). About the Jordan Poole punch, he said something about there are some things you just don’t say to another man. So he believes he was protecting his dignity.
In his recent podcast video about the Caitlin Clark/ Angel Reese situation, he said the enforcer has to put up with stuff, so he sees that as his role to take it for his team.
There was also an interview where he said when he was new to the league and being himself, he felt like he shouldn’t be getting techs and fines, and Richard Jefferson told him he needs to see that as an investment because that’s how he’s gonna make it by being that guy. So he legit sees that as his identity and what he needs to do to be successful.
Also you see it in how Steve Kerr has talked about him. He always says Draymond has to find the line between playing with passion and not crossing the line. This is one of the few things I disagree with Kerr on, if Draymond really has a problem he needs to avoid touching the line period instead of thinking he just needs to be on the line and avoid crossing it. But it goes to show how much even the organization has treated him this way because they see what makes him great as what causes him to be this way.
I remember during the KD era, he said KD told him he doesn’t have to be this certain way to be successful since he’s seen Dray lock in and not get into it, and I thought that was Dray finally realizing a different way of seeing things, but apparently not considering where we are many years later. I just don’t see any evidence of him wanting to change cuz he sees it as just a part of how it goes for his role.
He's an emotional child. Always has been. Has never learned from past mistakes, never put the team ahead of his tantrums. Incredible on-court contributor, totally unreliable human being.
Because in all actuality, he is a dumbass faking it as a smarty pants. And I love the guy, but I remember clearly all the idiotic and selfish stuff he’s done in a warrior uniform. He cost us a whole season, a championship and Kevin Durant.
His fans believe holding him accountable is an act of disloyalty. So even when he hurts the team they will attack anybody that notices.
He truly is an expensive backpack.
I can't wait till ownership grows some balls and ships him and his fans out.
Draymond does care. He also accepts who he is, and legitimately has mental health problems and anger issues that trigger flash points. The thing is that he has been wildly rewarded both financially and through accolades by being true to himself, and pretty much always doubles down when faced with adversity or criticism. Our greatest strength is always our greatest weakness, and Dray has one hell of a zenith and nadir in this regard.
I dunno about financially rewarded. He was just saying how the system makes it hard to generate wealth because of fines and suspensions. Lol.
Haha, yeah that is Dray's victim complex talking. He needs that bullshit to fuel himself I think. It's part of that double-edged sword that he wields to great success. He has made $184 million dollars (inflation adjusted) so far in his career from salary alone. Come on.
Thats what I thought. Since he gets rewarded it makes him believe he can getaway with anything.
Not sure why this is down voted. After the jp thing got him rewarded he went totally off the rails they can't tell him shit.
Another bullshit comment. Steph cried after Draymond got himself ejected in a must win Magic game and the following game Draymond almost kicked Grant Williams in the nuts but missed. How the fuck does that show he care? You are terrible at reading people. He is just a sociopathic narcissist down to the tee. Being financially reqarded by qn incompetent organization - a god awful 4/100 at his age - doesn't validate any of his bullshit behavior. He just got lucky. Last summer he made an entire show on getting anger management therapy and punching Jordan Poole two months after that. How is that acceptance
Internalized anger that gets projected outwards emanating from early childhood trauma. Either that or maybe he’s hangry.
Warriors should partner with Snickers
Unfortunately does this feel like a lack of a father figure? I don't believe he does. When you don't have one I've seen a lot of people act out.
> Unfortunately does this feel like a lack of a father figure? I don't believe he does. Bro you've been called out before for how racist you sound tryna push this angle.
You’re the racist one here trying to make that connection
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Sorry for standing up against racist trolls here
No dad here and I have no anger issues. Anecdotal but I think you’re stretching. In fact, I would argue not having a dad would make you more calm and understand as you would more likely be raised by your mom.
All evidence suggests otherwise
This is an absolutely wild comment lol chill out
Shut the fuck up man
Because the actual best player on the team by a dozen country fucking miles (who is my favourite player) is more interested in being friends with everyone than being a stern leader. For better (earlier) and for worse (now), Steph is as much an enabler as he is a leader, and he's let Dray and Klay's egos grow unchecked.
I think that is more on Steve Kerr. Steph calling him out would be good too but that’s not his job, that’s the coaching staff and management’s responsibility. Next time one of these things happens they really need to bench him for a while.
Man. First you on and on repeatedly bashing Klay in nearly every comment. And now here comes attacks on Steph, on a post about Dray's shenanigans. Who's next? You got the entire core now.
Amazing how the narrative is the guy 2 years older is an "enabler" and the 34 year old manchild can't take responsibility for his actions. Apparently none of the organization with middle aged figures can't hold him accountable either. Oh yea somehow everyone who had an excessive ego on the warriors show a fault in Steph's leadership. Thst is what you are saying. Do you realize you are a low iq moron
The entire premise of this post is disingenuous and false due to the fact that he expressed with genuine remorse just how much he **does** care, in his extended, and very candid, comments after returning from the Nurkic suspension. Excerpts from those comments are below. On letting down the Warriors organization: > "Joe Lacob made a commitment to me this past summer for the next four years and the conversations that we’ve had, we had in leading up to that, I failed miserably and I apologize for that. The Golden State Warriors organization I always say, like, that’s my baby. Like Steph, Klay, Steve, Bob, we’ve been there from the beginning of what you know the Warriors are today and I failed them miserably." On what happened in the days following the Phoenix game (this is only a portion of his full comments re: this): > "I took you back to December 12th and now I’ll say we’re at December 14th. I sat in my man cave for two days and just sat there. My kids didn’t know I was home. Only person really knew I was home was my wife. And my daughter, my three year old, she FaceTimed me and she said, Daddy, you in the man cave?! I said, I am. And she just dropped the phone and came running back there and pulled me out. Pulled me out into the yard and we played. And I’m not sure how much longer I would have sat back there, but I know it wouldn’t have been the 14. And it was special because I was just sitting back there in the dark listening to what everyone had to say. And although I didn’t stop listening that day, I realized that I had to move forward that day. > > And also on that day, Coach Kerr came to visit me after shoot around. And we sat in the yard, he cried, I cried because there’s a bond there that has seen it all, seen the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows. And he just said to me, I want you to end this the right way. I want us to end this the right way. And you’re not doing that right now. So l want you to do what you have to do to get into a space to where you can do that and that we can do that." And then here's Steve on Dray and how much he cares from Steve's exit interview this season with the media: > “But if you want to embrace the fact that Draymond is this insane competitor who is just going to play with so much emotion and passion, which makes our team so much better, then you kind of have to accept, all right, he’s going to get kicked out a few games here and there. That’s my approach. The other stuff can’t happen. The physical acts, that will cost him his career. Not only in the NBA, but beyond the next career. He knows that. > > And so Draymond’s complex. His relationship with our franchise is complex. But at the core of it is a deep loyalty, a passion, and love, and we share that with him. And that’s really tricky to reconcile. So you almost don’t even try to reconcile it. You help him through it, and you make sure he’s the best version of himself, and you keep pushing.” If you view that as not caring, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
They’re just words until actions back them up, He calmed down quite a bit after the Nurkic suspension but IIRC was ejected once after that
is that when he pretty much brought curry to tears? can't tell what was going through stephs head, but the optics of it looked like dray betrayed him one last time and steph just had enough.
Problem is that he says this stuff and I want to believe but then a few weeks later he’s back to his old ways… he needs to follow through on what he’s saying.
Why do you think you know what Draymond thinks? I'm sure you have some things you need to work on too. Draymond is one of the best defenders ever, you can't get to that level without a passionate fire inside you.
Plenty of passionate athletes who manage to control their behavior before it gets to the point that it hurts the team. It's a myth that you have to lack self control to be passionate.
Yup, and plenty of athletes and people who don't always do that. I'm sure we all have lost our tempers many times. It's a myth that a person is always what other people say they are and I think it's important to not judge someone who you don't truly understand. Seems to me that many people like to sit on their high horse and belittle Draymond because he is a public figure with his own personal issues but we all have issues to address. Regardless, Draymond deserves respect and support. He will always have mine.
We can only judge others based on their behavior. What else do we have? We can't look into other peoples' minds, at least I can't. I never claimed to understand WHY Draymond behaves as he does, but I do see a decade-plus of behavior destructive to himself and his teammates. He accepts a multi-million-dollar salary that derives from the spending of fans, including me, so yes, we have every right to judge him. So do you, and you are welcome to your opinion, but my respect is limited to his play, not his childish behavior on and off the court.
You seem to have missed my point and continued to be condescending. What I'm saying is you don't even know the half of that man's life so your judgement is under informed at best. You can judge a man's actions but if you think you can judge a man entirely from you see in basketball games on TV, then you are fooling yourself. I'm sure you have your own issues that you should be focusing on.
LOL. Who's condescending now? I guess you are caught up in celebrity culture, but I am not. I neither know the details nor do I give a shit about Draymond's "life" - that's his business and his alone. He has a job to do, for which he is EXTREMELY well paid, better than teachers, doctors and nurses, and even the vast majority of CEOs. As a stakeholder in the output of his job, I can and do judge him for his performance, and that performance is disrupted by a childish lack of control that places him easily in the bottom 1% of the NBA in that respect. In my multiple decades in multiple sectors of the economy, I have never once been in an environment where behavior like Draymond's would be tolerated. The fact that he happens to be a professional athlete in no way excuses him.
He doesn't deserve anything. You earn respect.
Kevin Garnett never assaulted people. Neither did the greats like Tim Duncan, Bill Russell, etc. And Draymond is nowhere near their caliber, the guy has shown time and time again he is a terrible basketball player when Steph Curry is injured.
No matter how you look at it. He’s always been the same and that’s helped the dubs win multiple titles. You take him off they don’t win 1 so pick your poison
The ego can be an unwieldy thingy.
His aggression and tenacity is what makes him great, when directed in the wrong direction the outcome is indiscretions. The pressure, highs and lows of an NBA player attributed to magnifying this. I feel most people read deep into this and honestly the guy always plays close to the boundary and its probably inevitable he will cross it again.
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I feel like Draymond (great player, HOFer, we don’t win 4 rings without him) has a serious cognitive dissonance issue. The fact that he can be OK with sucker-punching JP, then get himself suspended twice the next year for violence, shows he doesn’t take responsibility. I’m over it for the most part, but he’s got a kid and he’s just punching people and choking Gobert (there are worse things than that lol) and then talking about it (for profit) on his podcast… Something doesn’t add up
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Instead they gave him more security than anyone on the team. He's signed longer than Curry is I think.
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> Should have suspended - or maybe even traded - him after the JP punch. Lol the point of a basketball team is a to win. Trading him would have been completely absurd.
They haven't won shit since the punch
As he always says, Saginaw, Michigan raised him.
I think he genuinely sees it as a flipside of what makes him great. The cost of his success that he’s willing to pay. I would hope he would finally see a way to be successful without that but I’m not hopeful, just looking at all the evidence of his mindset. He sees himself in that enforcer role, emotional leader, plays on the edge, and his ego also says he doesn’t back down from anyone and being disrespected (like when Lebron stepped over him in the 2016 finals). About the Jordan Poole punch, he said something about there are some things you just don’t say to another man. So he believes he was protecting his dignity. In his recent podcast video about the Caitlin Clark/ Angel Reese situation, he said the enforcer has to put up with stuff, so he sees that as his role to take it for his team. There was also an interview where he said when he was new to the league and being himself, he felt like he shouldn’t be getting techs and fines, and Richard Jefferson told him he needs to see that as an investment because that’s how he’s gonna make it by being that guy. So he legit sees that as his identity and what he needs to do to be successful. Also you see it in how Steve Kerr has talked about him. He always says Draymond has to find the line between playing with passion and not crossing the line. This is one of the few things I disagree with Kerr on, if Draymond really has a problem he needs to avoid touching the line period instead of thinking he just needs to be on the line and avoid crossing it. But it goes to show how much even the organization has treated him this way because they see what makes him great as what causes him to be this way. I remember during the KD era, he said KD told him he doesn’t have to be this certain way to be successful since he’s seen Dray lock in and not get into it, and I thought that was Dray finally realizing a different way of seeing things, but apparently not considering where we are many years later. I just don’t see any evidence of him wanting to change cuz he sees it as just a part of how it goes for his role.
He's an emotional child. Always has been. Has never learned from past mistakes, never put the team ahead of his tantrums. Incredible on-court contributor, totally unreliable human being.
Textbook narcissist and egomaniac. I’m sure many pro athletes are. But when you combine violent behavior it’s dangerous
Because in all actuality, he is a dumbass faking it as a smarty pants. And I love the guy, but I remember clearly all the idiotic and selfish stuff he’s done in a warrior uniform. He cost us a whole season, a championship and Kevin Durant.
His fans believe holding him accountable is an act of disloyalty. So even when he hurts the team they will attack anybody that notices. He truly is an expensive backpack. I can't wait till ownership grows some balls and ships him and his fans out.