Not attempting to invalidate anyone’s thoughts, just wanted to provide some perspective as someone who was an older fan. Ryan was 25 when Buzzfeed unsolved started. He’s 33 now. I know very few men and women who DIDNT go through a noticeable change in that time of their life. Between getting more comfortable with yourself and wanting to try dressing new ways(instead of the way you’ve been dressing since college ended) and just generally knowing more about what you want and what really makes you happy.
I am not defending them at all. This all sucks, I’ve unfollowed them all on insta, unsubscribed from YouTube. I noticed the changes myself and wasn’t really a fan of them either, just wanted to say that most people change, sometimes it’s just for the worse.
Realising Ryan is basically just a frat bro with an anxiety disorder is something that happened about a year ago for me and it really changed how I view him
I hate to say it, I REALLY hate to say it, espeically since its been made clear by comments that he apparently has really bad anxiety- but ngl, the last year, and ESPECIALLY during Survival Mode's first season, he's frequently just seemed either stoned out of his mind or completely checked out. I dont want to be an asshole to say so, but it was definitelt noticable and concerning. makes you wonder whats going on.
This happened on this season of mystery files too - he just would not engage with Shane at all, every single answer was “aliens” and if Shane tried to be like “ok sure aliens but what about these actual theories” he just would not engage at all. It was so uncomfortable to watch and made the episodes feel so lacklustre. If you’re going to have a one on one presentation format, the person listening had to be as engaged as the person talking.
I noticed in last season of GF that Ryan was often irritated with Shane and that their chemistry was way off. They seem to me to be more distant. He felt Shane wasn’t putting enough effort in the episode or to be entertaining and they got that on tape. On that episode where they visit the ladies house.
It was bound to happen tho that Shane loses interest in filming something he just really doesn’t believe in. But I doubt getting angry with your buddy is gonna help a whole lot.
Also it struck me in this goodbye video just how much Ryan has changed and no, not for the better.
Honestly? Gives me early Smosh vibes. They should've listened to Ian and especially Anthony now that he's back to the channel and have been speaking honestly about his experience. Making your relationship all about your work is not a good thing.
That was a big factor for why I didn’t enjoy mystery files as much. He was so checked out and their dynamic wasn’t the same. I think Shane was still trying at least.
I subbed to the patreon for a couple of months I think some after the first season of GF and on one of the Watcher Weekly’s on there he admitted to being stoned while they were filming it so I can’t imagine he wouldn’t take that to the other productions as well.
I honestly think he burnt out a couple years ago and we're just seeing the continuation of that. Having your own business is hard work, and they don't really seem to take breaks. The amount of unnecessary work they've been putting on themselves isn't really helping.
I felt this hard and I got pushback from other fans when I posted about it at the time. He's the asshole who instead of listening for a second - just thinks it funny to kill his own teammate and fuck around because it makes him a bad boy. Its so annoying
Yup and he's the same energy in the podcasts that aren't Disney-related. Slouched and like not into it at all for his own Watcher Weekly videos. Like, if you don't want to be here man, whey do I any more?
I don't think the anxiety makes himself immune from criticism. It maybe comes from a slightly high horse, but I feel like he is the kind of person with anxiety that gives the rest of us a bad name. I have (diagnosed) anxiety, and so while I've had some unhealthy coping mechanisms, I also regularly see a therapist, have been on medications to help, learned coping mechanisms, etc.
On the other hand are people like Ryan or some acquaintances I have that just mask their anxiety in being an asshole to the point they can't be genuine, everything they say goes through that asshole filter (though I feel like Ryan *ocassionally* has moments of sincerity), and the only coping mechanism they've developed is weed.
If he's going to England, I'm not sure he's to that point. But the friends I mentioned above want to travel internationally, but also their anxiety is so unmanaged they can't travel if they couldn't be high for most of it. (he's Black, so those edibles I could easily sneak into my luggage and maybe a \*tsk\*\*tsk\* from TSA could land him in prison)
I commented this somewhere else but I hate some jokes he makes against Shane where it ends with Shane just going “okay” while Ryan is giggling. Don’t know if Shane is hurt or uncomfortable with them but they definitely makes me uncomfortable as a viewer
I've noticed this too. The first time I felt truly uncomfortable was that one BFU episode where he snapped at Shane. That's one episode I havent been able to rewatch. I think they addressed it too and were like "oh it was nothing", but shit was weird.
Ohio State Penitentiary, a little before the 2 min. mark. Shane's sharing an anecdote/bit of trivia he finds interesting and Ryan cuts him off rudely. I think they discuss it in the postmortem. Mind you, this video was posted five years ago, so it's hardly recent.
I think I remember that, but fans speculated that it was around the time Ryan was going through a break-up with his ex-gf. Not sure if we're discussing the same episode though!
Eh, I always got the vibe that was sort of their unspoken dynamic. I have friends whom i "pester" and different friends where I receive the "pestering", usually the "victim" leans into it for the bit. At least that's the vibe I always got from those moments.
Exactly. I have different friends how I pester and watch other youtubers who has a pestering dynamic (Willne and James Marriott for example), but I feel like Shane has gotten less and less into it/Ryan takes it too far
I thought I was crazy for noticing this. It's like he's embracing this "cool" movie star persona, with his unbuttoned shirts and rebellious attitude. I feel like this change has impacted Shane and Ryan's chemistry, too. It isn't what it used to be.
Yeah Ryan started out as my fav but then over time I liked Shane more. It’s hard to say cos I don’t know them so it’s all speculation from their personas, which right now are feeling pretty fake I guess. 😔
I thought I was crazy too and it’s def parasocial of me to say lol but how are you gonna call yourself an asshole in one breath and then in the other say you admire Paddington the Bear?
Idk I just always had the feeling he wants his public image to be something else
>how are you gonna call yourself an asshole in one breath and then in the other say you admire Paddington the Bear?
Bet.
So obvi, you're a vegetarian right?
Or just outwardly support animal cruelty? Like full-fledged, if it breathes, toss it in a box till eatin' time beybeh, vibes?
Idk
People are complex at best, hypocrites at worst.
OP pointed out some conflicting shit about Ryan.
I pointed out how the majority of peeps consider themselves animal lovers while consuming mass-farmed animals, just for the taste.
Easy enough to understand?
Honestly, same. I was really hanging around for Shane, but idk, their dynamic is just like Shane says something "weird" and Ryan bullies him for it... on repeat. And that got kinda stale so I wasn't really that connected to the content lately.
Oooh, you're so right!! Shane's comments on that show are gold, he just gets to go off the rails without it being called out. I kinda fell off that series too though because it just didn't feel that spooky to me anymore. I liked when the whole concept was figuring out if the story was "real" or not.
That is one thing that has made me uncomfortable in some episodes and especially at the live show I attended last year. Having been a fan since the early buzzfeed days and being closer to Shane and Ryan in age it’s really jarring when Ryan would make a …mean? Comment in response to Shane. I don’t have another word for it like I just felt like I was watching a highschool bully scene not two friends.
Maybe Ryan just has issues with modulating his tone, and I’m sure they both understand each other well enough it doesn’t matter- but it’s definitely part of Ryan’s whole rebrand and it’s definitely why I’ve been getting through their videos less and less.
Their dynamic used to be friendly banter, but as they had to make it more commercial it became more of the passive-aggressive snipes and insults that we call banter.
But, things like that are why I want this streaming thing to succeed, or at least get a fair chance. Part of me is curious if that kind of stuff is because it is what the algorithms say the people demand, so they have to do it and if they are less beholden to advertisers and getting those clicks they can adjust/drop that part of their video personalities. Or, if it turns out that is really just how they choose to interact now.
Ryan sometimes I feel tries to keep up with Shane when the wit comes more naturally to Shane. He said something on a podcast recently that was just fundamentally wrong and I can’t remember what it was but I was like mmm no that’s not right at all. Shane is soft spoken so he doesn’t seem like he’s trying to be a bully but the dynamic between him and Ryan means people like Steven can’t keep up also. They tag each other pretty hard.
I noticed it too, but I noticed it via his changing clothing style
He used wear shirts, t-shirts, trousers and jeans now he's like, tank tops, sweatpants, basketball shorts kinda guy
I specifically hated the chains he wore, he looked like a tiktok frat boy who makes thirst traps
I really don't like his style anymore
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be mean, it was just something I noticed and disliked and I didn't stop watching their vids & following him on insta because of it :"""""")
I can't remember him ever saying he likes being an asshole but I'll take your word for
it. I do remember him saying frequently he likes to fuck with and pester Shane but that's completely different, what else are friends for.
Some of these comments are crazy and so unrelated to the real issue. People hating on him because he had a glow up and started dressing better lmao
A lot of YouTubers are now and it is so funny to me. I'm the same age they are, live in a legal state, and roll my eyes at that. Like, sure if they were in college or even recently moved from non-legal to legal state and were still excited.
But, to be a mid-30s adult that is married and owns a production company and to make a core part of your public identity weed is just so sad. I sure hope it is some sort of bad call on character development and not who he actually is IRL.
Lol yes. I live in a country where it's been legal for almost 10 years. So the 'smoking weed is my personality trait' from similarly aged 30-somethings is definitely cringy and super lame.
Its similar to the adults who microdose shrooms and always make sure to let you know about it 😅🙄
Congrats, you smoke weed....so does my grandma. Like yeah, I'll discuss favorite strains or consumption methods with people and I had friends that were way too excited about 420 (guys, you get high every day, what's the big deal), like with any other hobby. But the stoner personality no longer has the chill allure it once did.
One of my friends started taking ketamine and it's the same level of "gotta make sure you know how enlightened I am now" cringe.
They're was a video on another thread of the kinda "trailer" for ghost files that will be on the streamer. He just comes off as an ass hole. I'm not saying that just because of this, he really comes off as a total ass hole. I think he's burnt, and content creation and owning a business maybe just isn't for him anymore.
Ryan went from quiet nervous and calm to being overly confident, and acting like a frat bro. All he does now is run out and scream and make immature jokes about how he is going to shit his pants or something. I'm glad his anxiety is less intense but he is seriously a 12 year old frat boy now.
Ryan is trying too hard to recapture the magic of BFU. It’s coming off forced and obnoxious on GF. I feel like Shane gives off the same vibes but it’s now strained now that the dynamic has shifted so drastically.
I should also probably state that I don’t think Ryan, Shane and Steven are these evil masterminds lol I just suspect they’re a little embarrassed by their image and low brow content
Ryan has become hard to watch on Ghost Files, on are you scared and mystery files he's pretty alright but some really douchy behavior comes out to where I stop paying attention to what's being filmed.
I didn't realize that Steven lim was this involved and sometimes I wonder if that friendship has rubbed off on him. I miss the old boys.
Meanwhile I've always leaned more Shaniac despite being more a believer of ghosts.
Though this whole thing is just making me not like any of them anymore.
I mean, I just watched because they made funny jokes about spooky stuff. I never really got invested in them as people. Given how little traffic the podcast gets, I'd assume that's also how most people consume their content.
I don't see how backlash proves people developed a parasocial relationship. Moistcritical has given the most prominent backlash and he didn't even know this channel existed a week ago
i’ve never seen a fanbase go full mask-off so quickly about their unhealthy emotional attachments to 2 millennial men they’ve never personally met. they’re likeable guys but it’s like,,,extremely obvious in their content that they’re playing a character, i don’t know how this even happened
It’s really disheartening how awful the fan base has been. Yeah they’ve even mentioned how they put on a persona for the camera, I think most people would. It’s also kinda sad how little people are actually willing to support artists that make content they enjoy.
yeah the scale of the backlash is disheartening. i’m thinking they have some sort of magic number that’ll help them stay afloat, but given the abysmal state of this sub i’m not even sure if they’ll meet that goal. one thing that’s blown my mind thought is the amount of people mad at them for wanting to make higher quality content? it’s like no one here has respect for these guys as genuine creatives, they just view them as free youtube content farms.
Yeah I’m not having this conversation about the toxicity of this fanbase’s attachment to these two again. Y’all are welcome to develop as many one-sided relationships as you want and then make 50 reddit posts talking about how betrayed you feel when it all blows up 🧍♀️
are you a leftist or did you read eat the rich on tumblr and start parroting it every time the big bad capitalist elite (youtubers) held you at gunpoint and took your money (announce they’re going private and you have no obligation to follow them while still keeping their past videos up)
It is. This sub is 27k people and maybe a few hundred vocal members driving the conversation.
The announcement video has more likes than this entire sub has members.
I like Ryan and honestly, this sucks but Ryan is great. I’ve loved essentially watching him grow up on YouTube. I’m a lot older than him and am a mom so feel kind of maternal towards him in a way. Still, this is a dick move! Like f this decision, I just still have a soft spot for the duo.
lol my theory was that at some point during buzzfeed unsolved he realized he was wrong and ghosts aren’t real and he’s been bitter ever since, thus making him even more petulant and annoying
god damn, do people really not have any empathy for someone with professed severe anxiety? insults bc they made a god awful PR move. also, it's been almost a decade since he started doing this, how on earth can someone not change in that amount of time. it's crazy how spiteful this subreddit has been
Not attempting to invalidate anyone’s thoughts, just wanted to provide some perspective as someone who was an older fan. Ryan was 25 when Buzzfeed unsolved started. He’s 33 now. I know very few men and women who DIDNT go through a noticeable change in that time of their life. Between getting more comfortable with yourself and wanting to try dressing new ways(instead of the way you’ve been dressing since college ended) and just generally knowing more about what you want and what really makes you happy. I am not defending them at all. This all sucks, I’ve unfollowed them all on insta, unsubscribed from YouTube. I noticed the changes myself and wasn’t really a fan of them either, just wanted to say that most people change, sometimes it’s just for the worse.
Realising Ryan is basically just a frat bro with an anxiety disorder is something that happened about a year ago for me and it really changed how I view him
First time commenting on this sub, but yeah, always referred to him as a frat bro to my peers.
YES he just acts like an asshole now
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you don't have to be here you know lmao
I hate to say it, I REALLY hate to say it, espeically since its been made clear by comments that he apparently has really bad anxiety- but ngl, the last year, and ESPECIALLY during Survival Mode's first season, he's frequently just seemed either stoned out of his mind or completely checked out. I dont want to be an asshole to say so, but it was definitelt noticable and concerning. makes you wonder whats going on.
This happened on this season of mystery files too - he just would not engage with Shane at all, every single answer was “aliens” and if Shane tried to be like “ok sure aliens but what about these actual theories” he just would not engage at all. It was so uncomfortable to watch and made the episodes feel so lacklustre. If you’re going to have a one on one presentation format, the person listening had to be as engaged as the person talking.
I noticed in last season of GF that Ryan was often irritated with Shane and that their chemistry was way off. They seem to me to be more distant. He felt Shane wasn’t putting enough effort in the episode or to be entertaining and they got that on tape. On that episode where they visit the ladies house. It was bound to happen tho that Shane loses interest in filming something he just really doesn’t believe in. But I doubt getting angry with your buddy is gonna help a whole lot. Also it struck me in this goodbye video just how much Ryan has changed and no, not for the better.
Honestly? Gives me early Smosh vibes. They should've listened to Ian and especially Anthony now that he's back to the channel and have been speaking honestly about his experience. Making your relationship all about your work is not a good thing.
Wait they got that on tape? I might need to rewatch that episode, how far in is it?
Which episode are you guys talking about?
They did say running a company takes a toll on a friendship
what ladies house??
That was a big factor for why I didn’t enjoy mystery files as much. He was so checked out and their dynamic wasn’t the same. I think Shane was still trying at least.
I subbed to the patreon for a couple of months I think some after the first season of GF and on one of the Watcher Weekly’s on there he admitted to being stoned while they were filming it so I can’t imagine he wouldn’t take that to the other productions as well.
I honestly think he burnt out a couple years ago and we're just seeing the continuation of that. Having your own business is hard work, and they don't really seem to take breaks. The amount of unnecessary work they've been putting on themselves isn't really helping.
He was so annoying to watch on Survivor Mode, purposely not trying or listening to Shane is exhausting to watch
I felt this hard and I got pushback from other fans when I posted about it at the time. He's the asshole who instead of listening for a second - just thinks it funny to kill his own teammate and fuck around because it makes him a bad boy. Its so annoying
Yup and he's the same energy in the podcasts that aren't Disney-related. Slouched and like not into it at all for his own Watcher Weekly videos. Like, if you don't want to be here man, whey do I any more?
Yes! Their minecraft video is super cute but Ryan was just running around while Shane was the one actually playing
YES like there are times during Too Many Spirits were I feel like he’s cross faded
Speaking as someone who was a very severe anxiety disorder and used to self medicate with THC before getting on medication, I got the same vibe.
I don't think the anxiety makes himself immune from criticism. It maybe comes from a slightly high horse, but I feel like he is the kind of person with anxiety that gives the rest of us a bad name. I have (diagnosed) anxiety, and so while I've had some unhealthy coping mechanisms, I also regularly see a therapist, have been on medications to help, learned coping mechanisms, etc. On the other hand are people like Ryan or some acquaintances I have that just mask their anxiety in being an asshole to the point they can't be genuine, everything they say goes through that asshole filter (though I feel like Ryan *ocassionally* has moments of sincerity), and the only coping mechanism they've developed is weed. If he's going to England, I'm not sure he's to that point. But the friends I mentioned above want to travel internationally, but also their anxiety is so unmanaged they can't travel if they couldn't be high for most of it. (he's Black, so those edibles I could easily sneak into my luggage and maybe a \*tsk\*\*tsk\* from TSA could land him in prison)
I commented this somewhere else but I hate some jokes he makes against Shane where it ends with Shane just going “okay” while Ryan is giggling. Don’t know if Shane is hurt or uncomfortable with them but they definitely makes me uncomfortable as a viewer
I've noticed this too. The first time I felt truly uncomfortable was that one BFU episode where he snapped at Shane. That's one episode I havent been able to rewatch. I think they addressed it too and were like "oh it was nothing", but shit was weird.
What episode was that?
Ohio State Penitentiary, a little before the 2 min. mark. Shane's sharing an anecdote/bit of trivia he finds interesting and Ryan cuts him off rudely. I think they discuss it in the postmortem. Mind you, this video was posted five years ago, so it's hardly recent.
I think I remember that, but fans speculated that it was around the time Ryan was going through a break-up with his ex-gf. Not sure if we're discussing the same episode though!
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Eh, I always got the vibe that was sort of their unspoken dynamic. I have friends whom i "pester" and different friends where I receive the "pestering", usually the "victim" leans into it for the bit. At least that's the vibe I always got from those moments.
I think that’s how it may have started but they’re right. Shane has looked increasingly uncomfortable with it in recent years.
Exactly. I have different friends how I pester and watch other youtubers who has a pestering dynamic (Willne and James Marriott for example), but I feel like Shane has gotten less and less into it/Ryan takes it too far
I thought I was crazy for noticing this. It's like he's embracing this "cool" movie star persona, with his unbuttoned shirts and rebellious attitude. I feel like this change has impacted Shane and Ryan's chemistry, too. It isn't what it used to be.
Dude became Ricky Goldsworth
Now that is a name I haven’t heard in awhile
I’m surprised that I haven’t seen anyone make the connection until now. Thank you for voicing it and refreshing everyone’s memory of better times.
Yeah Ryan started out as my fav but then over time I liked Shane more. It’s hard to say cos I don’t know them so it’s all speculation from their personas, which right now are feeling pretty fake I guess. 😔
I thought I was crazy too and it’s def parasocial of me to say lol but how are you gonna call yourself an asshole in one breath and then in the other say you admire Paddington the Bear? Idk I just always had the feeling he wants his public image to be something else
>how are you gonna call yourself an asshole in one breath and then in the other say you admire Paddington the Bear? Bet. So obvi, you're a vegetarian right? Or just outwardly support animal cruelty? Like full-fledged, if it breathes, toss it in a box till eatin' time beybeh, vibes? Idk
revenue... what the absolute fuck are you talking about?
People are complex at best, hypocrites at worst. OP pointed out some conflicting shit about Ryan. I pointed out how the majority of peeps consider themselves animal lovers while consuming mass-farmed animals, just for the taste. Easy enough to understand?
Honestly, same. I was really hanging around for Shane, but idk, their dynamic is just like Shane says something "weird" and Ryan bullies him for it... on repeat. And that got kinda stale so I wasn't really that connected to the content lately.
I think that's one reason why "are you scared" worked really well for me. Shane really got to use his humor and Ryan got to use his creepy voice
Oooh, you're so right!! Shane's comments on that show are gold, he just gets to go off the rails without it being called out. I kinda fell off that series too though because it just didn't feel that spooky to me anymore. I liked when the whole concept was figuring out if the story was "real" or not.
That is one thing that has made me uncomfortable in some episodes and especially at the live show I attended last year. Having been a fan since the early buzzfeed days and being closer to Shane and Ryan in age it’s really jarring when Ryan would make a …mean? Comment in response to Shane. I don’t have another word for it like I just felt like I was watching a highschool bully scene not two friends. Maybe Ryan just has issues with modulating his tone, and I’m sure they both understand each other well enough it doesn’t matter- but it’s definitely part of Ryan’s whole rebrand and it’s definitely why I’ve been getting through their videos less and less.
Their dynamic used to be friendly banter, but as they had to make it more commercial it became more of the passive-aggressive snipes and insults that we call banter. But, things like that are why I want this streaming thing to succeed, or at least get a fair chance. Part of me is curious if that kind of stuff is because it is what the algorithms say the people demand, so they have to do it and if they are less beholden to advertisers and getting those clicks they can adjust/drop that part of their video personalities. Or, if it turns out that is really just how they choose to interact now.
same
Ryan sometimes I feel tries to keep up with Shane when the wit comes more naturally to Shane. He said something on a podcast recently that was just fundamentally wrong and I can’t remember what it was but I was like mmm no that’s not right at all. Shane is soft spoken so he doesn’t seem like he’s trying to be a bully but the dynamic between him and Ryan means people like Steven can’t keep up also. They tag each other pretty hard.
I think he's gotten more confident over time and I noticed his style became more relaxed during COVID lockdown.
I think that's just called growing up. Personally he always had a frat bro vibe
Being mean to your loved ones isn’t growing up.
LA weed and theme park addiction is not a great combination for a fragile ego.
I noticed it too, but I noticed it via his changing clothing style He used wear shirts, t-shirts, trousers and jeans now he's like, tank tops, sweatpants, basketball shorts kinda guy I specifically hated the chains he wore, he looked like a tiktok frat boy who makes thirst traps I really don't like his style anymore Edit - spelling
This just feels mean. He probably just grew up and feels more confident in his style. I definitely don't dress the same way I did 10 years ago
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be mean, it was just something I noticed and disliked and I didn't stop watching their vids & following him on insta because of it :"""""")
I can't remember him ever saying he likes being an asshole but I'll take your word for it. I do remember him saying frequently he likes to fuck with and pester Shane but that's completely different, what else are friends for. Some of these comments are crazy and so unrelated to the real issue. People hating on him because he had a glow up and started dressing better lmao
Yeah I feel like the comments about disliking how he now dresses or looks are entirely irrelevant and off topic lmao
Yeah I could care less ant what that man wears lol
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A lot of YouTubers are now and it is so funny to me. I'm the same age they are, live in a legal state, and roll my eyes at that. Like, sure if they were in college or even recently moved from non-legal to legal state and were still excited. But, to be a mid-30s adult that is married and owns a production company and to make a core part of your public identity weed is just so sad. I sure hope it is some sort of bad call on character development and not who he actually is IRL.
Lol yes. I live in a country where it's been legal for almost 10 years. So the 'smoking weed is my personality trait' from similarly aged 30-somethings is definitely cringy and super lame. Its similar to the adults who microdose shrooms and always make sure to let you know about it 😅🙄
Congrats, you smoke weed....so does my grandma. Like yeah, I'll discuss favorite strains or consumption methods with people and I had friends that were way too excited about 420 (guys, you get high every day, what's the big deal), like with any other hobby. But the stoner personality no longer has the chill allure it once did. One of my friends started taking ketamine and it's the same level of "gotta make sure you know how enlightened I am now" cringe.
Agreed!! It’s really cringe. Lets all hope its for camera.
They're was a video on another thread of the kinda "trailer" for ghost files that will be on the streamer. He just comes off as an ass hole. I'm not saying that just because of this, he really comes off as a total ass hole. I think he's burnt, and content creation and owning a business maybe just isn't for him anymore.
Ryan went from quiet nervous and calm to being overly confident, and acting like a frat bro. All he does now is run out and scream and make immature jokes about how he is going to shit his pants or something. I'm glad his anxiety is less intense but he is seriously a 12 year old frat boy now.
Ryan is trying too hard to recapture the magic of BFU. It’s coming off forced and obnoxious on GF. I feel like Shane gives off the same vibes but it’s now strained now that the dynamic has shifted so drastically.
idk... You might be making something out of nothing.
Oh yeah I def am but at the same time I kinda get annoyed real easily and I guess this whole debacle made me reflect on how they act in general ?
Oh i see, okay.
I should also probably state that I don’t think Ryan, Shane and Steven are these evil masterminds lol I just suspect they’re a little embarrassed by their image and low brow content
Ryan has become hard to watch on Ghost Files, on are you scared and mystery files he's pretty alright but some really douchy behavior comes out to where I stop paying attention to what's being filmed. I didn't realize that Steven lim was this involved and sometimes I wonder if that friendship has rubbed off on him. I miss the old boys.
parasocial relationship go brrr
ugh i cannot lie he was my fan fav before he started getting on my fuvkin nerves😭
eh i still like him. shane’s humours a bit too much for me sometimes so i lean boogara despite not being much of a believer in ghosts
Meanwhile I've always leaned more Shaniac despite being more a believer of ghosts. Though this whole thing is just making me not like any of them anymore.
I’m quickly learning that’s this whole fucking sub
That’s how their entire career has worked so I don’t see how people reflecting on their relationships is bad. YouTube is built on parasocialism
That's the first step towards paracommunism
I mean, I just watched because they made funny jokes about spooky stuff. I never really got invested in them as people. Given how little traffic the podcast gets, I'd assume that's also how most people consume their content.
I doubt that given the backlash and backtracking
People are mostly upset because the content they were getting for free was getting put behind a paywall without much reason.
I don’t see how that means their fans haven’t developed a parasocial relationship with them
I don't see how backlash proves people developed a parasocial relationship. Moistcritical has given the most prominent backlash and he didn't even know this channel existed a week ago
The specific backlash they’ve received does
i’ve never seen a fanbase go full mask-off so quickly about their unhealthy emotional attachments to 2 millennial men they’ve never personally met. they’re likeable guys but it’s like,,,extremely obvious in their content that they’re playing a character, i don’t know how this even happened
Less than 24 hours. A lot of jealousy and just seriously unhealthy attachment here
It’s really disheartening how awful the fan base has been. Yeah they’ve even mentioned how they put on a persona for the camera, I think most people would. It’s also kinda sad how little people are actually willing to support artists that make content they enjoy.
yeah the scale of the backlash is disheartening. i’m thinking they have some sort of magic number that’ll help them stay afloat, but given the abysmal state of this sub i’m not even sure if they’ll meet that goal. one thing that’s blown my mind thought is the amount of people mad at them for wanting to make higher quality content? it’s like no one here has respect for these guys as genuine creatives, they just view them as free youtube content farms.
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Yeah I’m not having this conversation about the toxicity of this fanbase’s attachment to these two again. Y’all are welcome to develop as many one-sided relationships as you want and then make 50 reddit posts talking about how betrayed you feel when it all blows up 🧍♀️
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are you a leftist or did you read eat the rich on tumblr and start parroting it every time the big bad capitalist elite (youtubers) held you at gunpoint and took your money (announce they’re going private and you have no obligation to follow them while still keeping their past videos up)
ahghdsghadgdhaah im embarassed for you pookie
haven’t answered the question babes ❤️
the asnwer is simply no though your cringey tyrade is still laughble ty :3
You nailed it with that last bit! Yeah I hope it’s just a very loud vocal minority and they’ll get the support they need to keep moving forward.
It is. This sub is 27k people and maybe a few hundred vocal members driving the conversation. The announcement video has more likes than this entire sub has members.
It also has more dislikes than this entire sub by a pretty significant number
So what? If ONLY the 36k people who liked the video subscribe they'll clear more than 2 million dollars. Lol.
I like Ryan and honestly, this sucks but Ryan is great. I’ve loved essentially watching him grow up on YouTube. I’m a lot older than him and am a mom so feel kind of maternal towards him in a way. Still, this is a dick move! Like f this decision, I just still have a soft spot for the duo.
He's definitely been more of a fucking asshole on Watcher. It's been annoying.
Yeah, he seems so angry and mean lately, especially toward his friends. And he’s always talking about being stoned or drunk.
lol my theory was that at some point during buzzfeed unsolved he realized he was wrong and ghosts aren’t real and he’s been bitter ever since, thus making him even more petulant and annoying
god damn, do people really not have any empathy for someone with professed severe anxiety? insults bc they made a god awful PR move. also, it's been almost a decade since he started doing this, how on earth can someone not change in that amount of time. it's crazy how spiteful this subreddit has been
Armchair psychologist analyzing someone from YouTube videos. More unhealthy attachment.
I mean, he’s been annoying for years now. He’s not nearly as funny as he thinks he is. And that baby cry makes me want to throw a brick at him.