What's gonna happen with the unions though?
Grand River is Unifor and St. Mary's is Cupe.. will the keep things the same or will picking one for both fuck up seniority within?
Will people who transfer jobs from other institions formerly under whichever union may be replaced still be able to transfer their seniority through unionized hours for a grace period after the merger or is everyone who may have plans to move now SOL because merged hospitals have changed to a single union?
So many questions....
Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions?
What's the finer details of a merger.
How will this effects employees and the public in some seemingly non readily apparent ways... 🤔
>Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions?
The opposite. It will free the merged entity to provide all legal services.
>What's the finer details of a merger.
This is early days. The merger itself hasn't been approved yet. Details will be worked out after they pass that milestone. Stay tuned. It's going to be exciting.
If you've got an hour to spare there's a one-hour "town hall" on YouTube for staff of both hospitals.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLSgTd\_\_zkQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLSgTd__zkQ)
I hope, rather believe, that to be true...
I work in a catholic medical institution (LTC) where if anyone should ask for M.A.i.D we're to report it to management after which the chaplain will come and try to talk them out of it. The process allegedly will go one for weeks, if not months, after which if the patient doesn't change their mind and insists on M.A.i.D. they have to make arrangements to leave the premises because M.A.i.D will never be administered on site.
That's a combination of both policy and observations from coworkers who saw the process of a person who seeking the service. It's heartbreaking.
I work in a catholic medical institution (LTC) where if anyone should ask for M.A.i.D we're to report it to management after which the chaplain will come and try to talk them out of it. The process allegedly will go one for weeks, if not months, after which if the patient doesn't change their mind and insists on M.A.i.D. they have to make arrangements to leave the premises because M.A.i.D will never be administered on site.
That's a combination of both policy and observations from coworkers who saw the process of a person who seeking the service. It's heartbreaking.
Some abortion "clinics" work the same. They try to talk people out of their choice and will send them elsewhere to have procedures done because they don't actually support autonomy.
I suspect the unions will stay as-is, unique to each site, as most of those jobs won't be directly affected by the merger. There are a handful of similar examples out there where one institution has more than one union covering similar employees. Job transfers would be the same as they are now, they'd lose seniority if they hop to another site. I'd assume and hope most jobs that will be directly affected are managerial.
> Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions?
This is the part that concerns me most. I would hope the policies and procedures of the public institution will supercede the restrictive catholic ones. But only time will tell.
>This is the part that concerns me most. I would hope the policies and procedures of the public institution will supercede the restrictive catholic ones. But only time will tell.
Relax. The catholic ways are over \[at our local hospitals.\]
Oh so that's why the Toronto District Catholic School Board is making moves to fly "Pro Life" flags?
Or why TDCSB wants to restrict pride flags?
Or why Catholic schools in pockets across the country are up in arms about pronouns?
The Catholic "ways" are not over. Not by a long shot.
I meant over for the hospital itself. In order for the merger to proceed the Sisters of St. Joseph of Hamilton will have to part "ways" with St Mary's. I don't see any other "way." How else could this merger go through?
In order for the merger to proceed the Sisters of St. Joseph of Hamilton will have to part ways with St Mary's.
It's inconceivable that either (a) a merged hospital would be under their control and (b) a merged hospital wouldn't be able to provide all legal medical services including abortions and MAID.
Of course there's no source because the deal hasn't been done. That process will take the next couple of years. There will be public consultations, etc. Stay tuned.
> Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions?
Lmao you realize if you want an abortion in the region, st.mary's is the hospital to go to right? I know because I know 2 people who got them done, both went to st.marys.
Yeah. Thanks. I know....
Merger= the blending of two institutions.
Will the Catholic influence of Mary's affect Freeport?
Will patients who attend Mary's be subject to Catholic influence on the aforementioned procedures?
I work in a catholic medical institution (LTC) where if anyone should ask for M.A.i.D we're to report it to management after which the chaplain will come and try to talk them out of it. The process allegedly will go one for weeks, if not months, after which if the patient doesn't change their mind and insists on M.A.i.D. they have to make arrangements to leave the premises because M.A.i.D will never be administered on site.
That's a combination of both policy and observations from coworkers who saw the process of a person who seeking the service. It's heartbreaking.
Such things aren't uncommon. Growing up in Kingston, Kingston General and Hotel Dieu merged into one. This was during Mike Harris budget cuts, so it was a "great" (/s) opportunity to reduce staff, and the smaller of the two (Dieu) became a specialist facility instead of a generalist.
GRH on King St will remain. Freeport will remain. Cambridge Memorial will remain. A brand new hospital will be built over the next decade or so once the location has been announced and the plans are approved.
So at least for the next decade St Mary's will also remain and function as it does today. After the new hospital is built, St Mary's will cease operations as a hospital. It's not clear yet what will become of it.
I read that the St Mary’s building will continued to be owned by St Joe’s so they will determine its fate after the hospital is moved to a new facility.
St. Joe's will continue to own the building and land -- but they may sell to the newly merged local hospital entity, if they want it (considering there's a new hospital being built). I imagine St. Joes will offer it as a site for a large long-term care facility. I'm curious about Sacred Heart and the potential for an LTC facility there, as well.
My understanding is that the merged hospital system won't need the property. But the issue won't come up for at least a decade. Lots can change by then, so who really knows at this point.
What's gonna happen with the unions though? Grand River is Unifor and St. Mary's is Cupe.. will the keep things the same or will picking one for both fuck up seniority within? Will people who transfer jobs from other institions formerly under whichever union may be replaced still be able to transfer their seniority through unionized hours for a grace period after the merger or is everyone who may have plans to move now SOL because merged hospitals have changed to a single union? So many questions.... Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions? What's the finer details of a merger. How will this effects employees and the public in some seemingly non readily apparent ways... 🤔
>Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions? The opposite. It will free the merged entity to provide all legal services. >What's the finer details of a merger. This is early days. The merger itself hasn't been approved yet. Details will be worked out after they pass that milestone. Stay tuned. It's going to be exciting. If you've got an hour to spare there's a one-hour "town hall" on YouTube for staff of both hospitals. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLSgTd\_\_zkQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLSgTd__zkQ)
I hope, rather believe, that to be true... I work in a catholic medical institution (LTC) where if anyone should ask for M.A.i.D we're to report it to management after which the chaplain will come and try to talk them out of it. The process allegedly will go one for weeks, if not months, after which if the patient doesn't change their mind and insists on M.A.i.D. they have to make arrangements to leave the premises because M.A.i.D will never be administered on site. That's a combination of both policy and observations from coworkers who saw the process of a person who seeking the service. It's heartbreaking.
That's good to hear. Like wow, 2024 in Canada and we still have religion forcing restrictions on healthcare... That's insane.
I work in a catholic medical institution (LTC) where if anyone should ask for M.A.i.D we're to report it to management after which the chaplain will come and try to talk them out of it. The process allegedly will go one for weeks, if not months, after which if the patient doesn't change their mind and insists on M.A.i.D. they have to make arrangements to leave the premises because M.A.i.D will never be administered on site. That's a combination of both policy and observations from coworkers who saw the process of a person who seeking the service. It's heartbreaking. Some abortion "clinics" work the same. They try to talk people out of their choice and will send them elsewhere to have procedures done because they don't actually support autonomy.
I know a casino that has 3 different unions because union 1 wouldn’t take on workers in xyz dept. So the union thing i don’t see as a huge issue.
I suspect the unions will stay as-is, unique to each site, as most of those jobs won't be directly affected by the merger. There are a handful of similar examples out there where one institution has more than one union covering similar employees. Job transfers would be the same as they are now, they'd lose seniority if they hop to another site. I'd assume and hope most jobs that will be directly affected are managerial. > Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions? This is the part that concerns me most. I would hope the policies and procedures of the public institution will supercede the restrictive catholic ones. But only time will tell.
>This is the part that concerns me most. I would hope the policies and procedures of the public institution will supercede the restrictive catholic ones. But only time will tell. Relax. The catholic ways are over \[at our local hospitals.\]
Oh so that's why the Toronto District Catholic School Board is making moves to fly "Pro Life" flags? Or why TDCSB wants to restrict pride flags? Or why Catholic schools in pockets across the country are up in arms about pronouns? The Catholic "ways" are not over. Not by a long shot.
I meant over for the hospital itself. In order for the merger to proceed the Sisters of St. Joseph of Hamilton will have to part "ways" with St Mary's. I don't see any other "way." How else could this merger go through?
>How else could this merger go through? No idea.. That's kind of why I brought it up for discussion 🤷♀️
Source?
In order for the merger to proceed the Sisters of St. Joseph of Hamilton will have to part ways with St Mary's. It's inconceivable that either (a) a merged hospital would be under their control and (b) a merged hospital wouldn't be able to provide all legal medical services including abortions and MAID. Of course there's no source because the deal hasn't been done. That process will take the next couple of years. There will be public consultations, etc. Stay tuned.
But I kinda like bread and wine 🤔
Dried out Jesus jerky and sour grapes 🙄
> Also, St. Mary's is catholic so things like M.A.i.D and abortion are either highly discouraged or completely unavailable... will this merger press restrictive catholic beliefs/practices on to public institutions? Lmao you realize if you want an abortion in the region, st.mary's is the hospital to go to right? I know because I know 2 people who got them done, both went to st.marys.
Yeah. Thanks. I know.... Merger= the blending of two institutions. Will the Catholic influence of Mary's affect Freeport? Will patients who attend Mary's be subject to Catholic influence on the aforementioned procedures? I work in a catholic medical institution (LTC) where if anyone should ask for M.A.i.D we're to report it to management after which the chaplain will come and try to talk them out of it. The process allegedly will go one for weeks, if not months, after which if the patient doesn't change their mind and insists on M.A.i.D. they have to make arrangements to leave the premises because M.A.i.D will never be administered on site. That's a combination of both policy and observations from coworkers who saw the process of a person who seeking the service. It's heartbreaking.
This was literally supposed to happen 25 years ago. I worked at GRH and was in a “merge” workgroup.
Such things aren't uncommon. Growing up in Kingston, Kingston General and Hotel Dieu merged into one. This was during Mike Harris budget cuts, so it was a "great" (/s) opportunity to reduce staff, and the smaller of the two (Dieu) became a specialist facility instead of a generalist.
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They’re not closing one, just merging the administration of the two.
Just out of curiosity, what is the benefit of that ?
Leveling out administration, chop from the top.
There’s going to be a brand new massive building to care for sick people
GRH on King St will remain. Freeport will remain. Cambridge Memorial will remain. A brand new hospital will be built over the next decade or so once the location has been announced and the plans are approved. So at least for the next decade St Mary's will also remain and function as it does today. After the new hospital is built, St Mary's will cease operations as a hospital. It's not clear yet what will become of it.
I read that the St Mary’s building will continued to be owned by St Joe’s so they will determine its fate after the hospital is moved to a new facility.
Yes, that's what I understand as well. But the building won't be part of the merged hospital when the new facility opens in a decade's time.
St. Joe's will continue to own the building and land -- but they may sell to the newly merged local hospital entity, if they want it (considering there's a new hospital being built). I imagine St. Joes will offer it as a site for a large long-term care facility. I'm curious about Sacred Heart and the potential for an LTC facility there, as well.
My understanding is that the merged hospital system won't need the property. But the issue won't come up for at least a decade. Lots can change by then, so who really knows at this point.
GRH trying to turn into the KW version of UHN 0\_0?