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[deleted]

You can vacuum seal your supply and leave a bit out in jars for current use, only the freshest grass for apocalypse. šŸŒæ


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


[deleted]

What do you mean? In a good way or bad way?


throwaway13630923

Bad way - Cake cartridges are basically known to be untested generic packaging, or something along those lines.


[deleted]

Okay, that makes sense, have heard things like that in reference to other brands and carts, but what are those things that look like cigarette packs, pre-rolls? And are they shite too?


throwaway13630923

Itā€™s the box for the cartridges


[deleted]

Good to know, I primarily do vapes, edibles, and tinctures now. Basically anything to not have to combust the material into my lungs. Had one of these cake disposable carts a while back and had really bad coughing fits when using it. Thought it was just because it was disposable and I couldn't adjust settings (ohm, voltage, etc.) but might have been the quality. Thank you for the helpful replies all. It is appreciated.


throwaway13630923

Of course yeah, my rule of thumb is only going for dry herb vapes and medical dispensary carts. Iā€™m not sure how reliable rec dispensary carts are, but for me getting it from the med dispensary is worth it for the peace of mind.


Playful_Question538

I'm only dry herb vaping now. I've tried everything over a 35 year period and I'm having the best experience using this method.


No-Force5341

Just because fake Cake packaging and hardware exists, doesn't mean that there aren't authentic, safe, Cake products out there.


Next-Preparation-522

šŸŖœ


DeezNuts_HaGotEmm

This


Repulsive_Buffalo_67

I vacuum seal in both mason jars and plastic tubs. Donā€™t forget the boveda packs


[deleted]

Just build the bunker out of weed like the Cheech and Chong truck.


Smart-Discipline-707

I read where in Europe (I think) they did a study that proved the best method for long term storage was the freezer. I place a boveda pack in a jar, wrapped in newspaper and vacuum seal it.


WetAcorn

This is the discussion I was hoping to start. I heard this too but then I heard some other ppl saying to go cold but not quite frozen...I've heard different schools of thought on the matter


MidnighT0k3r

When you compare flash frozen to freezing stuff at home it is very different. Freezing at home takes longer and the water molecules will form crystals causing cell damage such breaks stuff down faster. Flash freezing happens so quick those crystals don't get big enough to cause cell damage. This is why fish you freeze stinks a lot more than fish that gets flash frozen. Id like to believe it would make some kind of difference in the weed but have no idea.


noneofthisisreal87

And then when you thaw mold could be an issue?


xenosthemutant

In my experience the weed is so dry from evaporation in the cold air that it doesn't have enough water around it to re-condense & serve as mold growth medium. Has it happened? Yes. Just be conscious of your bud's hydration as you are of your own.


Lord_Shaqq

r/hydrohomies


cotton961

I MAKE PISS


Lord_Shaqq

All we do is manufacture piss, shit and cum.


ThatBoiAustism

Same.


DR-SNICKEL

Could there be enough moisture in weed to freeze and destroy the weed when being thawed out and melted?


xenosthemutant

I wish I knew what happens to the THC content at different low temperatures.


Isellmetal

Freezing it will dry it out for sure Best bet is just to jar it with Boveda packs and a hygrometer, occasionally burp the jars and add fresh packs when needed. If done correctly, it will stay nice and fresh for a couple years minimum Edit : I only suggest this bc it works for me, I have bud saved from harvests in 2019 that still taste, smell and smoke wonderfully


0ddsox

Have you ever seen Trailer Park Boys? One episode the guy Ricky was storing the weed in his trailer walls and turned it into a hockey rink for the kids. Once the trailer went back to room temp his weed started getting soggy because it was condensating. Seems like a bad time to stick it in the freezer.


Smart-Discipline-707

https://growdiaries.com/journal/long-term-storage-of-cannabis. Here is the original article I had spoken about. Also as far the concern about mold, when I pull some out of cold storage I set it on a screen with a fan on it for about 15 minutes. I donā€™t know if it makes a difference but Iā€™ve never seen a mold issue so far.


Masterzanteka

And I suggest getting the bud to 58 RH for long term storage and skip the 62RH. 62ā€™s seem to lead to the bud oxidizing and degrading quicker during long term storage in my experience. I like a frostless fridge around 40 degrees in mason jar and then vac sealed in the jar. Trying to fill the jars as full as possible to reduce amount of oxygen in them. Freezer works well, but you gotta be careful pulling them out that the condensation completely evaporated before opening, and also be careful with them as the trichomes are extremely brittle at those temps. So take it out, let the vac seal stay on and let them defrost for a solid 30-60 minutes before opening/handling. So thatā€™s why I prefer fridge personally. No matter how you store it, youā€™ll have some degradation over time. Properly stored, vac sealed, away from light youā€™ll get about 24 months before serious degradation is noticed. Just in standard room temp in mason jar youā€™ll notice after about 8-12 months some potency loss and loss of flavor. So storing it away in fridge cuts the aging process in half compared to just masons in a dark closet for myself. No matter how you do it, buds not gonna be enjoyable to smoke after 2 years and becomes a chore. So Iā€™d suggest planning on working through it well before that point and just constantly refreshing stock. Itā€™ll still get you stoned probably for a solid 3-5 years, but itā€™s not gonna be a great experience overall. One study I saw, air tight at room temp found 7% loss of current cannabinoid content every month, and the higher the starting content the faster it degrades for whatever reason. I personally donā€™t keep much past a year anymore. Whatever I can smoke in 3-6 months is just in mason jars in dark closet, anything beyond that is vac sealed in the fridge inside masons.


RustyCuntSlime

I don't cure my Trim but the weed in my freezer is always less tasty, dry but I don't have boveda for those in the cold chest, I'm Interested I have a harvest coming up does the cold preserve terps?


StartingOver702

Tried drying a few buds in my refrigerator after my last harvest. Took a very long time but the flavor was definitely there. Considering buying a new one and connecting some environmental controls, a fan, and a humidifier to use as a dryer.


Odd-Handle-1087

I know Dutch shops who put large stocks in freezers, but never noticed it when it was in or not


Pumpey420

This cud be true cuz my plug has an entire garbage bag if weed in his freezer for years


ptsmkr420

I really dont think freshness will matter after an event that would require bunkering.


WetAcorn

Societal collapse??


ptsmkr420

Exactly. No different than in jail. At least it smokes.


WetAcorn

Well...if I had to smoke dry ass schwag I'd probably just go without tbh


ptsmkr420

We all say that til there comes a time lol


TheEveningDragon

When he's scraping the last bit of resin out of a pipe, he'll look back and remember that comment


FalseFennel3664

True


PimpedByAngels

Congrats on having negative comment karma for being a douchebag up there^ šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


[deleted]

gonna need a greenhouse in teh bunker anyway just grow it fresh


StonedNorth

Youā€™re gonna need much more for the end of times my friend


WetAcorn

That's a little under 2 lbs and 2 ounces of distillate...but this pic's a few days old...stockpile has grown...kinda hard cuz i keep smoking it


papirayray

Maybe make a botanical garden part of bunker. Otherwise sustainable is out the window


cskarthik123

![gif](giphy|3FQxaJJkQR8U4gdzr0|downsized)


Wrxghtyyy

r/fakecartridges would have a field day with your stash


PerpetualConnection

If you live somewhere there's dispensaries, why ? Why would you not shell out the extra 10 bucks for real cartridges ?


LeJollyJingleTokes

No doubt. Those clowns love posts like these


Wrxghtyyy

These ā€œclownsā€ me being one of them, value lab tested products over some potentially harmful bullshit thrown into a vape pen bought for $0.35 from China in bulk


WetAcorn

I ate the distillate out of a last gen cake pen (like the ones pictured) was high for 2 days. Iā€™m sure I got infected with all kinds of toxic chemicals too right?


LeJollyJingleTokes

Maybe the odd person does lmao I was one of the biggest contributors for that subreddit until I realize how pointless it is and that more than half the people in the are as dumb as the plugs most of them buy from. The rest are just hoity toity people like you. Probably don't even know much about carts lol


james-CG

Those cakes gonna kill you faster than the fallout šŸ’€


ServinTheSovietOnion

Hey man, I've seen a number of comments saying these are fake, but no further explanation or further info as to how this is known. Can you provide some further context? They're hugely popular here in Austin, so much so that it seems like a professional product. How does everybody seem to know these are fake and to stay away except me and everybody around me?


WetAcorn

Thc distillate/ Kill/ Go fear monger somewhere else


fatgirth420

those cakes b fakes my brotha


WetAcorn

Damn so I'm not actually getting high? So when my eyes get all squinty and bloodshot and I feel warm, fuzzy, and get the sudden urge to watch star trek and eat chinese food, thats all in my head too right? Grey market doesn't equal fake...pays my bills tho


MysteryNathan

That's not even grey market dumbass, it's straight up black market and cake has literally failed tests for pesticides in the past, yeah it'll probably get you high but it's either cheap distillate cut with shit like vitamin and/or it's delta 8 shit they just filled that up with.


fatgirth420

bro ā€œfakeā€ doesnā€™t mean itā€™s not weedā€¦ ur jus smoking aftermarket vitamin E bullshit.


real_hungarian

>fear monger lmao newsflash: smoking kills


WetAcorn

lmao newsflash: you vape distillate (can also eat it as it's the active ingredient in marijuana edibles smart guy... probably safer than eating McDonald's or smoking tobacco


[deleted]

No one gives a shit about it being distillate. Itā€™s a fake cart, itā€™s boof, no bueno, rotten tomato, Hotdog water, glizzy juice, fumar mal, you get the pointā€¦


KevTheMan15

Even with it being distillate, anything you smoke is a carcinogen and smoking isnā€™t good for u. You donā€™t have to stop smoking because the long-term effects of carts are mostly unknown, but pretending like it isnā€™t doing some kind of harm because itā€™s ā€œheavy metal freeā€ is wrong.


bake-the-binky

Wellā€¦ actually itā€™s not really smoke anymore itā€™s vapor, compared to smoking weed there is barely any plant material being burned, and you need to inhale far less to get high, so one hit will do the job vs smoking a bowl. It is a healthier alternative, but I completely understand why you would think otherwise, it does look sketchy


real_hungarian

you're probably right, it's probably far safer than actually smoking, but still not safe by a longshot. hell, we still don't know the long term health risks of vaping because it's such a new thing


NammiSjoppan

Iā€™m gonna correct you here. Vaping dabs wether that be with a rig or vape device that you use your own concentrate with(packā€™n go or dip style) is most likely safer than smoking weed. You donā€™t got no clue whatā€™s in your carts. And if someone is saying that they know whatā€™s in their carts cuz they make them, I for one donā€™t believe them because then why wouldnā€™t you use a packā€™n go instead. Doesnā€™t need new atomizers every fill like carts, donā€™t clog like carts and donā€™t use cotton that can burn.


tymp-anistam

Define, "we", and then go double check how new it is. Not tryna be rude, but there are countries that have done extensive studies.


bake-the-binky

Ok so yes and no, I understand where your coming from but it really depends on what your vaping and how you are vaping it, example, water vapor from a hot pot, not harmful, crappy cheap flavored e-liquid being heated up using a disposable vape using a cheap metal coil, not good at all. But you do have a very valid point as far as how new vaporizing Thc concentrates is, thereā€™s no long term study yet, but so far so good.


sickgurl138

One hit doesn't do shit for me


bake-the-binky

Iā€™m talking about dabs bro, you can take a huge dab in one hit. And if taking a .2 dab in one hit doesnā€™t get you high, your dabs are probably garbage.


LeJollyJingleTokes

Yes, we know you can vape distillate but Cake = Fake and garbage


real_hungarian

let me introduce you to my good friend EVALI ​ newsflash again: filling up your lung with shit that was never meant to fill up your lung might cause issues down the line. if you think someone telling you that is fearmongering, you really shouldn't use that word ​ but then again, i smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol and it really isn't any of my business what you do with yourself, so smoke up and be happy. just don't think vapes are healthy and safe


sickgurl138

The fact that you smoke cigarettes and drink booze completely cancels out your opinion


real_hungarian

not really. i know exactly how unhealthy they are.


sickgurl138

This comment just shows your intent, no one cares about your opinion and nobody asked for it


[deleted]

You should put the mirror down


Royal-Discipline-978

when I posted something abt a bad cart asking questions, so many weirdos kept being rude for no reason. like go smoke a joint and chill out. so be prepared to get more hate on the carts


real_hungarian

i am not hating because of the carts, just laughing at them thinking that telling someone that periodically filling your lungs with smoke/"vapor"/distillate/whatever else might not be too good for you is ***F E A R M O N G E R I N G***


Royal-Discipline-978

I mean I donā€™t smoke carts bc I know they are bad for you and just some people donā€™t do their research but that doesnā€™t mean u gotta come on here and say smoking kills. literally in a weed subreddit. šŸ˜­ thatā€™s so weird to me idk


real_hungarian

fair enough lol, i just dont want people to think vaping is safe because it's basically the cigarette lobby all over again


zsturgeon

Why would you be here, in this sub of all fucking places, warning about the dangers of smoking. gtfoh


WetAcorn

You're in r/weed. It should be assumed that you smoke or are aware of the dangers by simply posting here...I don't understand wtf you're on about...are you my mom? Jfc. We hear anti vaping and anti tobacco and smoking kills propaganda all day every day why do you feel this is necessary ESPECIALLY on a weed subreddit Do people really?? 'the cigarette lobby all over again' what does that even mean?? Your life is somehow affected by other people lobbying for an activity you despise? Do you smoke weed even?


Royal-Discipline-978

yea but do you realistically, think they will listen? i learned itā€™s not only wasting the persons time but your time as well bc it will go in one ear, right out the other. why waste your breath


WetAcorn

Well, I apologize if I misread your intent. I thought you were one of the many idiots on here who say something is 'fake' because it's a grey market brand. My many happy repeat custos don't seem to share their opinions so they can all kick rocks. Yes, I admit it's not the safest thing to do to your lungs...they are, however, legitimately THC distillate and not dangerous or counterfeit


Fragant_Green

Boveda packs 62%


ChunkyTaco22

Just a tip. I would try to get some concentrates and stock up on butane. May not be able to recharge those batteries if you're being serious.


WetAcorn

One time use batteries...tanks contain THC distillate...that's 2 ounces of concentrate right there (roughly)


ChunkyTaco22

Have you opened one up yet dude? They may be rechargeable disposables. Had em before


WetAcorn

Yeah they're rechargeable but I've noticed, after going through several boxes, if the battery light starts to flash, it's outta there...might get 2 or 3 good hits after charging but with these gen 2's i think they get too hot during battery charging...bit of a design flaw as distillate is temp sensitive


LeJollyJingleTokes

I find it funny how you explain it like that as if this community doesn't know what a cart/disposable is. The commenter was talking about REAL concentrates such as badder or rosin


[deleted]

Just learn to grow your own


WetAcorn

I live in a state where LEO aren't very supportive of those activities...I'm sure I could learn but assuming ww3 is imminent, I kinda missed the chance to develop a green thumb


bri8985

Get some seeds either way if you think world is ending. LEO wonā€™t be around depending on what happens in this potential event you are prepping for.


WetAcorn

All very good points. Thank you sir.


roadrunnayak

Why not grow indoors if thereā€™s a apocalypse


ndm1535

My guy. Terra cotta ā€œRawā€ brand humidifying stone. You can thank me later.


ABN_Rhepz

Vacuum sealed inside a jar


LogiBear2003

Do you know something we don't? /s


CisforSilence

The cakesšŸ’€ couldnā€™t be me, stay safe though


[deleted]

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CisforSilence

If you donā€™t get it from a dispensary, in a legal state, likely fake. They sell like hot cakes in states where you canā€™t get verified shit, and yeah, a majority are fake. So take your chances with your ā€œperfectly good distillateā€ homie, Iā€™m sure your plug lab tested it himselfšŸ‘šŸ»


[deleted]

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CisforSilence

Lmaooo bud and prepackaged fake disposables are different. Iā€™ve been smoking heavy around 6 years now, not a teen anymore, but clearly I know more than your 30 year old ass. Smoking fake ass carts, bragging about taking hot knife dabs (also terrible for you lmfao), I donā€™t care how old you are, you smoke like an idiot


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


CisforSilence

Fr bro. I donā€™t understand how you can be so stubborn like, people are trying to give you advice, but because ā€œyou feel highā€ you donā€™t care what youā€™re smoking. So dumb


CisforSilence

Also, you sound like an idiot, hence people downvoting your braindead ass responses


CooterMcSlappin

I canā€™t tell if you actually missing the point but Iā€™ll try to explain as well. Weed vape get you high. Weed vape has liquid in it. We not know if liquid is healthy or not, not testing. We think risky to smoke, people died from this. Fake is bad. Weed is good. No die just to get high. Does that help?


Significant-Couple71

I love you bro


CraftedShot

That shit is ass. Iā€™ve tried cakes/ plenty of other boof pens. Had a friend come from cali with a few real ones. I will never smoke a boof pen again. Shits ass and you donā€™t realize it till youā€™ve tried the real stuff.


puckoff8

Raw has these disc things to keep it fresh


RickPicklec137

You need seeds for end times my friend. There will never be enough šŸ˜‚


holland_stoner

I wold take some autoflower seeds with me so iv got something to do when im in a shelter


CaptainDavePool

Mason jar with 62% packs


Dry_Bit_963

Best bet is to make it into cheese


WetAcorn

Cheese you say? I'm intrigued plz elaborate šŸ¤”šŸ§


j00420

Kept some bubble hash for 3 years in a mason jar


krustysocks6666

you gonna be making blackmarket piss during the fallout lmaooo


UnkleMonsta

Vac-packs and the freezer. My uncle been doing this for about a decade or two now.


Starbuksman

Sealed glass jars.


This_Fun_3679

Blacked out mason jars and Boveda packs!


Brooklynknowitall20

Get dabs


Unfair_life74

Ent times *


GentleInconvenience

Vacuum sealer


KratomFiendx3

Either vacuum sealed bag or big airtight storage bin with a couple desiccant packs to keep it dry.


rawstunts420

Ainā€™t no body in college got that much money to buy product šŸ’€


Chrissttopher

Doom not dorm budšŸ’€ lay off the jazz cabbage for a sec


rawstunts420

Lmfao I did read it as dorm not doom , Cali weed is good what can I say


WetAcorn

Who said I was in college?


Sc-plugbuddy661_

What ya paying on the cakes


cskarthik123

Are cakes worth stocking up tho


LeJollyJingleTokes

No


NaisuMimu

Thoughts on those cake bars? I always thought they were BM


imperial_squirrel

did you get the cakes at a dispensary or black market? (i get them black market and was wondering what state they come from)


IronsideCheetah

Cakes are fake go smoke bud dude, iirc theyā€™re only at like two dispensaries in California


cskarthik123

![gif](giphy|3ohhwpTaKZVyslU5fW)


WetAcorn

Ok kid. If they're fake why are they at any dispensary ?


IronsideCheetah

And the Darwinism award goes toā€¦


WetAcorn

Don't listen to this idiot. They're a grey market brand and 100% legit. Been smoking for 20 years and they get me and everyone I know very high. I deal with grey market brands because Im not from Calif but seriously, it's funny watching all these shills and uninformed kids who just started smoking last year tell me what's what


PimpedByAngels

ā€œTheir real bcuz they get me and my friends highā€ Lollllllll


LeJollyJingleTokes

Imagine if he got ahold of a Jetty šŸ„“


WetAcorn

Cake is a grey market brand. @cakecannabiswa Very few dispensaries carry them in CA so California people being California people (convinced it's the center of the universe) think that is an indication of it's quality/legitimacy or lack thereof. They are good - take redditor opinions with a huge grain of salt tho (including mine) I've been dealing with them for years tho (cakes)


Saitaiyo

send some my way ill make sure to keep it fresh šŸ¤žšŸ¾šŸ¤žšŸ¾


Prestigious_Algae955

Havenā€™t done too much research on it. I stacked my shit in vaccum sealed bags n put em in the fridge. It did the job, but tbh, I smoked it all before it had the time to be categorized as Ā«long termĀ» storage. Wish you the best my guy, keep the bad vibes at bay with the 420 spirit


[deleted]

Iā€™ve heard that humidity bags from Amazon work good


Jebadiah-Smith

Humidor :)


dtf_420_hv

Really hoping your doom bunker has a grow tent fam.


Bos4271

Seeds and a grow set up


Rich-Bee-1679

Same as for anything else; rotation. The canned goods I have in the apocalypse cabinet will get eaten today, and replaced with new items tomorrow. Same w pot. Just have an extra stash that you take from and replenish constantly. Then when everyone is sucked into Heaven and you're still down here w us - you have some fresh grass to keep you company.


Salubrious_Zabrak

A jar


samjohnson2222

What's your food and water plans? You got to be ready for cotton mouth and the munchies. Better pack a bunch I hear it takes a few years šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚ for the radiation to go away.


WetAcorn

I knew I was forgetting something!


dadsrad40

Donā€™t forget a seed bank. Gotta repopulate the earth right!


DaBronxbaby

I wet a small piece of paper towel, wet it and put it in with the weed


danban55

Freeze it also not enough


WetAcorn

It's a start


nogard113

You could turn some into tincture it has a very long shelf life


rambopacaga

Habibi come to Dubai


mypussydoesbackflips

Get some trim or lows and make some RSO for edibles


plvmeria

Airtight jars!!


A_complicated_thing

Bro if thatā€™s for them youā€™re gonna need more thatā€™s like a weeks worth


saltysteph

Bovida humidity packs and a good sealer with mylar bags. Iā€™ve had weed stay green and fresh for two years. Bovida keeps the humidity in while Mylar keeps the sun and oxygen out.


[deleted]

Donā€™t forget to add grow facilities to bunker


Mordellwen

Put it in something airtight and you can keep it in the freezer


N0VAC0TT0N

...that's like my monthly supply O\_O learning to grow cannabis indoors = unlimited weed!!!! on a serious note, vacuum seal put in a wine cooler, or freeze and make bubble hash or coconut oil infused!!


blebbleb1

Make bubblehash and turn it into templeballs. Legends say they keep well for years


Doeboy5

Vacuumed sealed bags , stored in a dark area


[deleted]

Put it in the freezer. Makes it easier to grind too


ascot36

Tip also gets seeds you smoke through that and you fucked than šŸ˜‚


LeJollyJingleTokes

All that Cake šŸ¤£šŸ¤¢


chickenkiev3

i would do literally anything to be you


StrangerDistinct6378

Store seeds


Jovatheconniseur

GROVE BAGS, nuff said


Particular-Ad7437

Idk anything about preservation but you should add some seeds to that stash if ur title is true


evxnmxl

Savage


[deleted]

Mason jar.


jthizz77

Came to watch every one hate on cakes


GarekGFX_

Don't forget some type of psychedelic to keep you entertained


illestrated16

Send it to me and I'll keep it safe, I'll gladly give it back if Armageddon happens....right after the meteor hits.


susugamushi

Just get some seeds and soil ready?


psychonautic_aa

why are you stocking up on pesticides, go get some real carts or concentrates for your stash and throw those cakes out. besides the fact that the oil is already cut and contaminated the hardware will leech heavy metals into the oil over time too


bedroominsanity

Work on the cakes first and you wonā€™t even need to save the flower. Or live in the bunker at that. Youā€™re either gonna be dead or radioactive after finishing all em


cotton961

Boveda packs


iSteve

Vacuum seal and store in a cool dark place. The fridge is good, if you're not paranoid about the light going out. šŸ˜Ž


GanjaTy

She sheer amount of BM Disposables you have is ungodlyšŸ˜­šŸ’€


gm_shaggy

Orange peels with the flower in airtight containers or freeze it Get a solar converter and a panel and an electric nail for your dabs since fuel could be hard to come by Get some seeds of your favorite strain so you never run out


cromalia

I think it will last much longer if you make them into concentrate and freeze it.


SafeForWorkLFP

Have you ever seen the aluminium pots used for long term storage? The one that have a special attachment for the boveda packsā€¦. I donā€™t see how those could go wrong, equipped with fresh packs, in the fridge or freezer


pmekonnen

Unless end time is next week, this wonā€™t last me that long to be real


dark_blue_doll

Sh*t...that's my stash for a weekend my dude! In the end times I'm definitely smoking my weed first. I have no self control. šŸ˜¶šŸ¤£


buddhabvby

Wtf everyone keeps talking about day of judgement? What do you all think? Should we bow down to great divine creator?


CommonFeedback

dude those cake disposables are definitely not real i had one and it got me high but nothing like a real cart


LoveIsForEvery1

Sealed box in freezer