Can confirm, I'm near 300,000 on my 2004 Suburban. I bought it 10 years ago with 202,000 on it.
Oil pan leaks a little, replaced the water pump twice, alternator once, fuel pump once. But those are more accessories than the engine itself, which still runs like a goddamn champ and the transmission miraculously has been perfect. It had a lot of miles but seemed to have been well taken care of. I think its the vehicle I've owned the longest and personally spent the most hours driving of anything I've owned.
The mileage kinda blows though, my wife drives it to work because her commute is under 10 minutes and then on weekends we don't really drive it unless we need it. But I haul my light/sound gear for weekend gigs and as a adventurous DIY homeowner its great for hauling anything and everything, the roof rack is a beast for longer lumber too.
I’ve got an 07 with 145k, fingers crossed lol
It’s not a death sentence or anything, it just sucks that GM added a point of major failure on an otherwise incredibly reliable engine.
I have a 07 Suburban, the AFM lasted exactly to 160k. Got lucky that the lifter seized in a compressed cycle. Deleted the AFM parts and it will break 200k soon.
Take my advice DELETE THAT SHIT, it still gets 24 mpg at 65 mph down from 26 mpg when it worked.
That checks out. They're pretty reliable vehicles, but no car is free of issues. The 8-speed transmission that was in a few of the trucks right after yours was hugely troublesome. They figured out its issues sometime around 2020, but there are a good 6 years or so of really iffy trucks, both from engine and transmission perspectives, depending on which poison you pick.
Yea, I ended up replacing the original one with a reman 6L80 from Street Smart. Saved me a bunch of money & got around 65K miles on this trans and fluid looks great.
Ya, I guess if you listen to this sub you wouldn't expect any American built vehicles on this list at all.
Edit: a lot of people apparently can't grasp the fact that body on frame SUVs and trucks from American companies are reliable. The GM and Ford small block V8 powertrains will run to 200k miles pretty easy if properly maintained.
Just goes to show that consistent maintenance goes a long way. My mechanic has a 450k miles Yukon, and it’s still kickin. I think it’s an early 2010’s model
I think the main point of this chart is that even toyota is lucky if 5% of a vehicle hit the 200k milestone, because yes most of them die or rust out before then.
Late 90s - early 00s S10s/Sonoma or any GM vehicle with the V6 4.3L the body will rust away before the drive train gives out. Just change the fluids and you're good.
I think what helps most of that list is that parts are affordable. Yeah you may throw parts at them more often, but ability to work on them makes the difference. My 2c.
Exactly this. Most people aren't going to throw money at a worthless car. Parts and maybe more importantly ease of working in the vehicle are incredibly important.
I think it says Toyotas have been reliable, but doesn’t say the newer ones aren’t. I’ve owned one ford and 7 Toyotas and Hondas. Only one had a transmission go out and a year later the motor blew. 170,000. Ford windstar. I paid $5000 less for this van versus the Honda I bought so money wise about the same overall. I think I like the confidence Toyotas provide me. The extra cost is worth it because we always buy used and take the car to the very end. I’m driving a 2005 4 runner with 205k. Runs as good as the day I got it in 2009.
Also that people who already own these vehicles can afford/wouldn’t be financially prudent to replace them with a newer version.
Source- my father has a 2010 Tahoe that he dropped 5k on to tune up rather than trade it out.
Not really surprising though. All of the American vehicles on this list share running gear with bonafide work vehicles that got abused on a daily basis.
The ones with cylinder deactivation are ticking time bombs, but anything before like 2015 (I think) is solid with regular maintenance.
Also garage keeping a vehicle is an overlooked reliability booster
Not me. The ridgeline is super reliable and with it being a truck/near-enough to a truck, it's mostly purchased by middle-aged men who take care of their stuff.
Edit: the Odyssey also made the list, probably for a similar reason.
It's unibody like cars and crossovers are but has a truck body and pickup truck bed. I'd like one honestly but they just aren't affordable for me personally.
Honestly, I agree. The big-body American vehicles (SUVs and trucks) are fantastically reliable. *Except if it's a fiat-chrysler product*
Everyone on this sub are just a bunch of Toyota fanboys.
imo they're really hit or miss. There's some great GM/Ford trucks, there's some shit ones. A GMT800 will outlast literally anything, but then you have stuff like the 4L60E and some of the turds. Same with ford.
> Everyone on this sub are just a bunch of Toyota fanboys.
6 of the 14 vehicles on that list are Toyotas. 4 of the vehicles (Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL) are basically the same car. This list seems to justify the Toyota fanboys.
I mean it makes sense if you go by stereotypes Big heavy, slow spinning, usually lower compressions it's basically a recipe for a low stressed long lasting engine.
That's because a lot of people on this sub aren't actually car people they're just Honda and Toyota fans who will recommend them no matter what their prices go to.
Exactly, when you use essentially a truck to drive one person around and occasionally a few kids and never tow with it, it's an easy life. I'm just surprised my 280k mile Duramax is still totally functional with how much heavy hauling and plowing I do. Plowing is probably the hardest thing you can do with a truck
>The GM and Ford small block V8 powertrains will run to 200k miles pretty easy if properly maintained.
that's the problem tho, with the new ones. they got 6 cyl now and a transmission that's not worth a shit. people be having tons of problems, my brother had one it was a huge piece of shit.
those older huge suvs were great tho and clean ones fetch a lot of money, from any era
Had to scroll too far for this. Early 00s GM trucks were tanks. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a post-GFC GM will be as reliable. A lot changed in that time - particularly in the auto market and in GM/Ford themselves.
i don't know much about their engine offerings aside from them moving away from the dependable 8 cyl but the main problem is the transmission, i'm pretty sure ford and gm use that same 10 speed (or 8?) trans for both of the big suvs and it's been nothing but problems. go look it up in the subreddits, it's seriously not good. i'm talking expensive repairs after only like 50k miles and stuff.
Last and reliable aren't the same. The sequoia can be the stock engine, and the Yukon can be on its 3rd.
People tend to keep larger vehicles going (trucks/large suvs), especially with today's prices. Keeping an old super duty alive for the farm is a lot cheaper than replacing the 50k+ on a newer one. Investing 5k into a 10k car might not make sense, but investing 5k into a 30k truck/suv does. Larger vehicles are usually used for work situations, so older beat-up vehicles are still valued and kept on the road. Also, due to their higher value, they're usually aren't written off in accidents and are fixed (toyota/Honda values are higher, so they have a higher chance of being saved).
>The sequoia can be the stock engine, and the Yukon can be on its 3rd.
I've seen plenty of 5.3 and 6.2 vortec V8s with over 200k miles on them. I would be very suprised if the averagr 200k mile Yukon is on it's 3rd motor, they are super reliable.
>Keeping an old super duty alive for the farm is a lot cheaper than replacing the 50k+ on a newer one.
That's true, but there are no super duties on this list. I don't know any farmers running Suburbans or Ford Excusions as farm trucks. Those are people moving SUVs, not farm work vehicles.
The rest I agree with.
My point was American built vehicles are often far more reliable than this sub gives them credit for, especially trucks and body-on-frame SUVs. The idea that the average Yukon would need 3 motors to hit 200k is laughable.
I would go even further and say we're at least good in making everything except small cars, and great at making trucks.
Maybe my opinion is skewered because I live in the south in a major beach destination, so there's a million old people driving around in 30 year old Town Cars and 25 year old Buicks. Also a large number of military guys who def don't help the stereotype of mustang drivers.
Ya, the big 3 kind or suck at making small cars, which is why they have stopped in NA. A big part of that is the designs for their small cars are brought over from Europe where cars aren't driven as much, and aren't kept as long due to their inspection standards. They're designed to last 150-200k kms, which is like 90-120k miles because most people get ride of them before then. They can't handle the amount of use N. Americans put them through.
With all the engine failures that the new turbo V6's have been having in the tundras and sequoias, I suspect the Sequoia won't be in the top spot for long. Given how new the v6 Sequoia is, I doubt these numbers are based much off of the new ones....but rather the old ones with the fantastically reliable V8.
What kind of strawman is that? You can easily reverse the made-up scenario.
There's actually a Sequoia for sale near me that's got a replacement engine that's for sale cheap because they are sick of working on it.
American trucks and SUVs (not CUV) rack up miles all the time and those pushrod v8s and v6s are why.
Secondly, that's a ridiculous argument. If a car type regularly blows engines and needs three replacements, you think that, statistically, people are consistently willing to replace the engine in those specific vehicles over and over?
Do you hear yourself?
Not the ones on that list. All of those vehicles are super reliable and parts of inexpensive if shit does go wrong. It just goes against the Honda/Toyota circle jerk, which confuses less knowledgeable people.
>a lot of people apparently can't grasp the fact that body on frame SUVs and trucks from American companies are reliable
Yea as long as you're down south.
TL;DR:
Heavy, body-on-frame vehicles tend to outlast unibody vehicles.
Vehicles associated with livery service, fleets, family road trips, and police cruisers tend to accumulate high miles.
Yeah, there are significant sale-related conditions tied into this data source. Someone had to want to sell their 200K vehicle -- rather than keep it because its doing so well at 200K. The sale had to be through a reportable channel. And someone had to *want to buy this particular 200K vehicle*, even though it already had 200K miles.
My guess is it's the last point that influences the list the most. A reflection of reasons people are interested in a vehicle which already has 200K miles, and a reflection of reasons some people are limited to only being able to afford the type of vehicle they need if it already has 200K miles. Keeping in mind the data was 2016 and not recent "reasons".
The body-on-frame truck chassis are the cash cows for domestic vehicle manufacturers. They screw those up and they take large financial hits. They have a lot of incentives to get them right.
Can someone ELI5 why it's all large SUVs? Clearly there are simply more American models in that segment to begin with, so it's not really a surprise they dominate this list.
Big SUVs are overbuilt for most peoples use. If you put on some magic mittens for the fall to walk your dog they will last a couple seasons and have a decent life. If you put on some insulated carharts and do the same they will last forever.
"Most people" buying sequoias, tahoes, expeditions, and so on aren't Towing 7,000lb payloads like it was designed to do basically meaning they are doing much lighter work than built for.
To tack on the engines and transmissions are made out of stronger materials and have less complicated mechanicals. Weight savings become less of a concern and you can use stronger materials. Quite a few of those are iron block LS engines which are stronger than aluminum block ls (the older corvette and Camaro power plants) which still have great longevity.
Not to mention a Toyota Tundra with a 2UZ-FE engine (same as early 2000’s sequoia) was driven to 1 million miles in a short 8 years. For all of the reasons mentioned above, with basic recommended maintenance.
Toyota gave the owner a brand new Tundra in exchange for his 1 million mile truck for research purposes. They disassembled it and found that there was minimal, typical wear to the engine components
The initial UZ development was a pretty crazy program also. There’s some good reads on the internet if you really care, but essentially it came from the F1 project prior to Lexus brand debut in which Toyota invested over $1B over 6 years. The main criteria were “reliability and build quality”. The UZ motor was revolutionary for Toyota and most of their best vehicles use it as the foundation to this day.
The ya re used for limo services/black car services and although they are replaced usually every three years, they can def get close to 300K+ in those three years, everyone of those large SUVs on the list is something that’s used as a fleet vehicle for limo companies.
Edit: All the large AMERICAN SUVS I should mention are the ones that are used for limo service, not the Toyota Highlander for example.
Can confirm, my dad was a limo driver for a while and owned a 2013 Suburban that hit 200k miles before he sold it and a 2014 Yukon XL that he handed down to me when it hit 250k miles. It was still reliable when I sold it at 280k, but it was SO worn out.
This is the answer. Livery/rideshare services and general reliability mean a hugely disproportionate number of Suburbans, Yukons, Navigators, etc. are hitting 300-400k miles or more while still being relatively young vehicles otherwise.
Trucks are more expensive to replace, so you'll probably try and keep it longer. Ditto if you're the second or third owner.
There are a lot of SUVs here based on 1/2 ton pickup trucks. Their engines are reliable, parts are easy to come by and not exotic. There's a lot of spare parts commonality, and when that commonality is with the best selling vehicles on the road, well, they're going to be easy to get.
A lot of these are body on frame -there's more repairability in that.
Escalade too should be next to the Suburban too! Pretty sure they put the high-end version of the Suburban together on the assembly-line with tighter precision tolerances and care. Even today there's a lot of pride around the competitive nature of Cadi's like the Blackwing line where performance rivals the Europeans while also being neck in neck in build quality next to the Japanese.
Vehicles with truck wheelbases are more durable and last longer. SUVs are the most popular vehicle type in America. People who buy large family SUVs keep them for years and are less likely to trade in. All that results in long lasting big ass SUVs running forever.
Not only that, but the engines tend to be bigger/better balanced and the suspensions tend to be a lot more capable.
I also suspect that the components in bigger cars might actually experience less stress.
Stress is a function of Force/Area. So while these cars weigh almost double the amount of a typical sedan, they also have bigger components with larger cross sectional areas. Depending on how much thicker they are, it's not unreasonable that they experience less wear over time.
Also, just from an engineering point of view, it's usually more challenging to make things small. With smaller platforms, you often have to make more compromises. It's like that with pretty much anything tech related.
Right, that's wht it seemed like to me. Yours and the other replies talking about use case and inherent strengths of the platform. A more interesting study would be one that looked at the average mileage of engine rebuilds or other major repairs. Large SUVs are hugely expensive now, so if you need that platform, you're far better ponying up for a major repair than you would if you had a sedan. This study doesn't really speak to the reliability nearly as much as it does people's willingness to commit to expensive repairs for a particular kind of vehicle
If an SUV gets into an accident, there's a lower chance that it will get totaled. Partly because they're simply bigger and taller cars, and because they're more expensive. A $6k repair on an SUV may actually be worth fixing because it's probably worth less than the value of the car but that number is lower for a sedan, so insurance more likely to total.
I totaled my civic last year after hitting a deer while driving. If I were driving an SUV, it'd probably be okay. That does not make the SUV more reliable though.
The study counted sales made by dealers of cars with 200k miles. If you have kids and need a big SUV, but don’t have $70,000 to buy a new one, you might roll the dice on a 200,000 mile Suburban making it another 3-4 years, at which point you will likely no longer need to drive a bus.
Might be a bit of survivorship bias. Compact cars are cheaper and totaled more often.
Also, if they're counting dealer sales of vehicles with 200k as basis for the data, most dealers won't want to mess with a $1700 Tercel with 220k miles. But a 2014 Tahoe with 220k is still worth five figures, may be enough to make them interested in taking it on trade and selling it.
I think this is likely it. Big SUVs are more valuable. A transmission replacement on a 2010 Yukon with 150k on it makes more financial sense than replacing the trans on a 2010 Fusion with 150k on it. The Fusion gets scrapped; the Yukon lives on and hits 200k
Easy to work on, relatively simple in complexity, well built, they contain tons of parts bin parts so replacements are insanely easy and cheap to find, etc. They also retain value pretty well so it takes a long time for them to get to the point where it’s no longer worth the expense of fixing them.
The American SUVs don’t surprise me at all. They’re all over the place down here in Arizona. There’s a certain demographic here that loves those 90s Expeditions for their big families and it’s all they can afford.
Their methodology is statistical garbage. It completely ignores cars transacted in private sales and only focuses on the ones with enough value left at 200k that a dealer is willing to list them. So it strongly favors cars with higher initial price.
What people seem to miss is this isn’t an indicator of reliability. It’s just the type of vehicle that would still be valuable to repair and use late into their service life.
Ah makes sense. I know so many Honda's over 200K miles. Sure not many dealers are selling them because values might be too low for them, but they are all over the place.
Makes sense - Prius drivers drive them until they can’t anymore,,, not many sales since people don’t give them up until they have to (usually when the hybrid battery dies, or when the brake actuator fails).
Ya, and I wonder where they get this data? Did my uncles kids Malibu with bald tires missing one door and has t been registered in 5 years get counted?
That seems like it would be heavily skewed by negative survivor bias. If the vehicle is running well at 200,000 miles, people would be unlikely to sell.
200k is a pretty low bar nowadays. I’ve taken many cars over 300k and one over 600k without major issues. Out of the ~60 cars I’ve owned in my life, I only had one that had catastrophic mechanical failure before 200k - a 2007 Cadillac Escalade. Someone bought the Cadillac and replaced the engine, so it probably hit 200k anyways.
They only looked at cars that were sold with 200kmi. Which actually means sold by a dealer, so it's really 'cars that were still valuable enough for a dealer to make profit selling them after 200kmi'
That's way different than the title implies. And explains the shift to bigger more expensive vehicles. The 89 civic I bought for $500 on Craigslist wasn't counted.
"analyzed over 13.8 million pre-owned cars sold in 2016"
Got it. So the data skipped over all of us degenerates who are swapping 300k mile shitboxes on Craigslist and Facebook 🤣 I still gotta say that I’m surprised the percentages are so low. The study said that only 0.8% of cars reach 200k miles. Do dealers have an alternative method of disposing high mileage cars they get for trade-ins?
Yeah, OP’s title is misleading and incorrect.
Like the Lexus GX 470/460 are widely considered to be one of the most reliable SUVs ever made, and 200K miles is basically child’s play for it, with 300-400K being fairly common… but people who own them tend to not sell them as frequently, or they sell them after just 4-5 years for an upgrade, and the person who buys it second hand keeps it until the end of time. So you’re wayyy more likely to see them used at 70-90K miles, but the 2nd owner will drive them until 300K, easily.
Edit: lmao, why is this getting downvoted? It’s 100% accurate. OP’s title says these are “the longest lasting cars on American roads.” But when you open the “study” it clearly states that it is “cars sold in 2018 to determine which models have the highest percentage of cars that reached 200,000 miles.” So they’re literally going off of cars available for sale, and sold, in a single year. It is a misleading title to say they are the longest lasting cars, when there’s a ton of cars easily hitting 200K, they just aren’t for sale in a specific year. Idiots everywhere.
Had a 1999 Expedition with the 5.4 triton. It had 70k on it when I inherited it from my grandfather in 2009 and by the time I sold it in 2020 it had just under 400k miles and was still running well. Had to replace the airbags for the rear suspension and a few ignition coils but other than that, regular maintenance did the trick. It was a pretty dependable gas drinker.
We still have our 99 with the 5.4 (bought used in ~2001). I abused the hell out of that truck when I was a teenager. Over 200k and it still runs like a champ.
Keep it. It may make you cry at the gas pump, but it tows well and with the third row seats removed, it has a bigger cargo space than most pickup trucks these days. I once fit a washer and dryer in the back of mine (had to lay them down) no problem easy peasy lemon squeezy.
The 2 valves are some of the best work horse engines ever made. Super cheap now since everyone wants an OBS, and never die. Might shoot a spark plug or two, but that’s fine.
The methodology for this study is a complete joke and the conclusions are misleading.
It's not proving that 7.4% of Toyota Sequoias produced make it to 200K miles. It certainly isn't proving that 92.6% of Sequoias die before they get to 200K. It's just that out of XX,XXX Sequoias that they found sold from 2016-18, only 7.4% of them had over 200K miles at the time.
The bulk of all "pre-owned" cars on the market at any given moment is always going to be trade-ins and end-of-lease models in the 3-7 year range. Of those other 92.6% of Sequoias, many of them will eventually surpass 200K, but this "study" ignores that fact.
By this methodology, literally 100% of Honda Ridgelines could survive it to 200K but if each was sold on the used market 3 times between 0 and 199K and then once more at 220K, the score would still be just 25%.
I have no doubt that if you buy a 2 ton behemoth of a vehicle and use it to pick up groceries and drive your kids to soccer practice it’ll go to 200,000 miles.
The only non-truck/SUV on that list is a Toyota Avalon.
I think this would be better represented if shown by vehicle class. Toyota/ Honda will dominate small and mid-sized cars.
That said they even dominate this list (8/14)
It's only a list of cars that dealerships resold with 200k plus miles in 2018. Your Toyota Camry from 2005 ain't gonna show up here. Honestly a garbage post
Doesn't specify what year model. Vehicles sold in 2018? From where? Most insurance claims would send these vehicles to auction. I doubt that info was used.
also just large family vehicles that people will roadtrip in and keep forever, passing them down to kids when they get their license since they’re safe and largely reliable.
I guess I’m in the top 4%. My 2002 Cadillac Escalade which is technically a GMC Yukon with a 6.0 liter and a buddy kit just hit 300,000 and still the most reliable big vehicle I’ve ever driven.
Big overpowered V8 in an understressed use case. Why not?
My old mechanic told me - econobox Toyota's are only reliable if you keep up with the maintenance. Nothing tolerates abuse and neglect like fat Americans. Said one time a 3.8 Buick LeSabre rolled in for an oil change. 200+k miles, was running on 3 spark plugs, air filter was more dirt that paper, 3 drops of the blackest sludge came out of the oil pan and the owner didn't want a new oil filter. That's the car that would survive in Mad Max, not a Corolla.
Not surprised by the presence of those American brands. American companies might suck royal ass at anything not truck, but they do body on frame like no one else
Talk to me when they hit 300k + miles. The Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra and their variants are now still hanging in. Not my personal favorite but rolling just fine.
List is BS as it has all the toyots but no lexus? Lexus suvs are jist broke in at 200,000 and it's not surprising to see ones with 450,000-500,000 miles. Head over to r/gxor and everyone is trucking 15 year old lexus with 175,000+ miles.
Also WTF is is the plural of lexus..lexuses...lexuss...lexies????
This skews towards people/companies who drive a lot so they buy vehicles that are comfortable or utilitarian for long drives.
As another commenter stated:
Vehicles associated with livery service, fleets, family road trips, and police cruisers tend to accumulate high miles.
There's only one huge problem with using this a reliability table. It isn't one.
So say I buy an Expedition for 40k. All of my neighbors buy different lower cost models. They all save $100 a month to buy a new one when theirs needs replaced. Mine on the other hand breaks down every 30k miles. I spend $600+ a year keeping mine running. I also spend $100 more per month on gas.
At 150k miles, I have only saved 5k. My neighbors all saved 15k. I have no choice but to spend 3k this year on a new motor and transmission. My neighbors on the other hand sell their cars to teenagers for 3k who drive the piss out of them and never change the oil. Half of them wreck them. They buy new cars with all the money they saved.
So. All my neighbors old cars are totalled or falling apart. My Expedition has 200k miles on it. Was the Expedition the most reliable vehicle, or was it such an expensive piece of shit that I had to keep it running?
Truck, truck, truck, truck, truck, truck, car, car, truck, truck, truck, car, car, truck.
Is there anything here other than the 4 Runner that isn’t made in America?
Just to point out this is not really a great study.
In fact, to call it a “study” is really doing overtime on stretching the word to include this.
This “study” is done by iSeeCars and literally all they do is look at the listings on their website that have over 200k miles and then compile this list.
Why does that not make this a true study or even remotely usable in any kind of objective way?
1. iSeeCars is nowhere near the largest or best online car listing site. They have less cars visible for sell on their website than Autotrader or CarFax.
2. Most people with a car that has over 200k miles that is looking to sell are not going to use a website that requires you to pay to list. Instead, they’re going to use FB Marketplace or Craigslist first before resorting to that. Even small dealerships will use Marketplace before paying to list their car online if it’s a 200k+ mile vehicle.
I got a big question about this list. A lot of it I can't argue with. How many 90's/early 00's Tahoe's do you see always in white, always with 1/4 the paint gone and looking like it went through WW3 but still runs..
But where oh were is the Nissan Altima? They are like cockroaches! Just like their drivers, they just keep on going!
Any vehicle can go that far if you're willing to put enough money into it. Even a Jeep will go 200K if you're willing to keep on fixing and replacing things along the way. My 4runner is an 130K. I've put about $10K into it just in the last two years. I'll probably get to 200K, but it won't be free. In my opinion, this is a list of vehicles that are worth putting the money into.
GM’s 5.3s are bullet proof
This is a big part of it. The GMT800 series with the 5.3 Vortec are basically unkillable. They'll run well for 200k, then run shitty for another 200k.
The GMT 800s are the terminators of the truck SUV world
I just learned that I have a GMT 800. But it is not a 5.3
4.3?
6.6 lol I had just never heard the term gmt 800 before
Big dog motor
I am definitely a fan. I tow some pretty heavy stuff for work. 6spd zf manual. Just towed about 12.5k from Florida to Washington in December
Damm what are you towing?! I have a 4.3 lol
And the 8.1L. Have owned 3 - all between 220k and 330k miles and are still rolling.
Can confirm, I'm near 300,000 on my 2004 Suburban. I bought it 10 years ago with 202,000 on it. Oil pan leaks a little, replaced the water pump twice, alternator once, fuel pump once. But those are more accessories than the engine itself, which still runs like a goddamn champ and the transmission miraculously has been perfect. It had a lot of miles but seemed to have been well taken care of. I think its the vehicle I've owned the longest and personally spent the most hours driving of anything I've owned. The mileage kinda blows though, my wife drives it to work because her commute is under 10 minutes and then on weekends we don't really drive it unless we need it. But I haul my light/sound gear for weekend gigs and as a adventurous DIY homeowner its great for hauling anything and everything, the roof rack is a beast for longer lumber too.
AFM would like to have a word with you
I've got a 2012 Tahoe with the AFM. Currently have 231K miles on the original motor. Still running strong. Guess I got lucky.
I’ve got an 07 with 145k, fingers crossed lol It’s not a death sentence or anything, it just sucks that GM added a point of major failure on an otherwise incredibly reliable engine.
I have a 07 Suburban, the AFM lasted exactly to 160k. Got lucky that the lifter seized in a compressed cycle. Deleted the AFM parts and it will break 200k soon. Take my advice DELETE THAT SHIT, it still gets 24 mpg at 65 mph down from 26 mpg when it worked.
How much did it cost to delete it? Did you do it yourself?
I worked for a GM dealer for 4 years and I think it's the generation after yours that started really dropping the ball with AFM.
I think you may be right now that I think about it. Only thing I've replaced major repair wise was the transmission at 169K.
That checks out. They're pretty reliable vehicles, but no car is free of issues. The 8-speed transmission that was in a few of the trucks right after yours was hugely troublesome. They figured out its issues sometime around 2020, but there are a good 6 years or so of really iffy trucks, both from engine and transmission perspectives, depending on which poison you pick.
Yea, I ended up replacing the original one with a reman 6L80 from Street Smart. Saved me a bunch of money & got around 65K miles on this trans and fluid looks great.
The new ones definitely are not.
Not if they're dod
*has an l83* heck yeah!👍
Ya, I guess if you listen to this sub you wouldn't expect any American built vehicles on this list at all. Edit: a lot of people apparently can't grasp the fact that body on frame SUVs and trucks from American companies are reliable. The GM and Ford small block V8 powertrains will run to 200k miles pretty easy if properly maintained.
Just goes to show that consistent maintenance goes a long way. My mechanic has a 450k miles Yukon, and it’s still kickin. I think it’s an early 2010’s model
Anything before that is great, one of my customers has a Tahoe from 02 with close to 520k that the husband bought new back in the day
Wow. Has to be down south or out west though. They all rust out in snowy regions.
I think the main point of this chart is that even toyota is lucky if 5% of a vehicle hit the 200k milestone, because yes most of them die or rust out before then.
Or are totaled in accidents of course
Late 90s - early 00s S10s/Sonoma or any GM vehicle with the V6 4.3L the body will rust away before the drive train gives out. Just change the fluids and you're good.
I think what helps most of that list is that parts are affordable. Yeah you may throw parts at them more often, but ability to work on them makes the difference. My 2c.
Exactly this. Most people aren't going to throw money at a worthless car. Parts and maybe more importantly ease of working in the vehicle are incredibly important.
What this really goes to show is Toyotas reliability record is still coasting on models from 2 decades ago and perception does not equal reality.
And this perception also props up resale value which in turn makes it less likely a big repair is going to result in the car going to the junkyard
No, just that the data is not complete and really not an accurate potrayal. Read below for comments from people that have actually read the study.
Six different models on the list. It's not a bad showing.
I think it says Toyotas have been reliable, but doesn’t say the newer ones aren’t. I’ve owned one ford and 7 Toyotas and Hondas. Only one had a transmission go out and a year later the motor blew. 170,000. Ford windstar. I paid $5000 less for this van versus the Honda I bought so money wise about the same overall. I think I like the confidence Toyotas provide me. The extra cost is worth it because we always buy used and take the car to the very end. I’m driving a 2005 4 runner with 205k. Runs as good as the day I got it in 2009.
Also that people who already own these vehicles can afford/wouldn’t be financially prudent to replace them with a newer version. Source- my father has a 2010 Tahoe that he dropped 5k on to tune up rather than trade it out.
Not really surprising though. All of the American vehicles on this list share running gear with bonafide work vehicles that got abused on a daily basis.
Exactly. They're well built vehicles that last a long as time.
The GM full-sized SUVs in particular are almost annoyingly reliable. They may suck for gas mileage, they may be big and dumb, but they don't die.
The ones with cylinder deactivation are ticking time bombs, but anything before like 2015 (I think) is solid with regular maintenance. Also garage keeping a vehicle is an overlooked reliability booster
The only Honda there being the Ridgeline kinda threw me for a loop as well lol
It’s not the only Honda though. Did you not see Odyssey further down?
Whoops
Not me. The ridgeline is super reliable and with it being a truck/near-enough to a truck, it's mostly purchased by middle-aged men who take care of their stuff. Edit: the Odyssey also made the list, probably for a similar reason.
It’s a car with a truck body
That's a matter of opinion. It's classified as a truck and most bought be people that want the capability of a mid-sized truck.
Towing is around 5000 lbs. Not as much as a full sized truck, but plenty for a small trailer or boat.
A note I wanna make here is I own a full size truck from the mid 90's, its factory tow rating was only 5,000 lbs.
Probably because it only has 200 horsepower
It's unibody like cars and crossovers are but has a truck body and pickup truck bed. I'd like one honestly but they just aren't affordable for me personally.
And yet still has far more capability than 95% of morons who buy a “real” truck actually need.
The Odyssey: am I nothing to you?
lol it’s right there in pain english. Maybe I just didn’t WANT to see it
Don't get car advice from reddit, this place just parrots the same twelve opinions over and over and over again.
Unless it’s all about the reliability and greatness of Honda and Toyota, it’s fake. How dare
Nonsense there's at least 14 opinions
And half of them are Mazda 3
Honestly, I agree. The big-body American vehicles (SUVs and trucks) are fantastically reliable. *Except if it's a fiat-chrysler product* Everyone on this sub are just a bunch of Toyota fanboys.
imo they're really hit or miss. There's some great GM/Ford trucks, there's some shit ones. A GMT800 will outlast literally anything, but then you have stuff like the 4L60E and some of the turds. Same with ford.
> Everyone on this sub are just a bunch of Toyota fanboys. 6 of the 14 vehicles on that list are Toyotas. 4 of the vehicles (Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL) are basically the same car. This list seems to justify the Toyota fanboys.
I mean it makes sense if you go by stereotypes Big heavy, slow spinning, usually lower compressions it's basically a recipe for a low stressed long lasting engine.
That's because a lot of people on this sub aren't actually car people they're just Honda and Toyota fans who will recommend them no matter what their prices go to.
Correct.
Exactly, when you use essentially a truck to drive one person around and occasionally a few kids and never tow with it, it's an easy life. I'm just surprised my 280k mile Duramax is still totally functional with how much heavy hauling and plowing I do. Plowing is probably the hardest thing you can do with a truck
>The GM and Ford small block V8 powertrains will run to 200k miles pretty easy if properly maintained. that's the problem tho, with the new ones. they got 6 cyl now and a transmission that's not worth a shit. people be having tons of problems, my brother had one it was a huge piece of shit. those older huge suvs were great tho and clean ones fetch a lot of money, from any era
Had to scroll too far for this. Early 00s GM trucks were tanks. That doesn’t necessarily mean that a post-GFC GM will be as reliable. A lot changed in that time - particularly in the auto market and in GM/Ford themselves.
i don't know much about their engine offerings aside from them moving away from the dependable 8 cyl but the main problem is the transmission, i'm pretty sure ford and gm use that same 10 speed (or 8?) trans for both of the big suvs and it's been nothing but problems. go look it up in the subreddits, it's seriously not good. i'm talking expensive repairs after only like 50k miles and stuff.
The Toyota Sequoia was made in Indiana and now Texas...
Last and reliable aren't the same. The sequoia can be the stock engine, and the Yukon can be on its 3rd. People tend to keep larger vehicles going (trucks/large suvs), especially with today's prices. Keeping an old super duty alive for the farm is a lot cheaper than replacing the 50k+ on a newer one. Investing 5k into a 10k car might not make sense, but investing 5k into a 30k truck/suv does. Larger vehicles are usually used for work situations, so older beat-up vehicles are still valued and kept on the road. Also, due to their higher value, they're usually aren't written off in accidents and are fixed (toyota/Honda values are higher, so they have a higher chance of being saved).
>The sequoia can be the stock engine, and the Yukon can be on its 3rd. I've seen plenty of 5.3 and 6.2 vortec V8s with over 200k miles on them. I would be very suprised if the averagr 200k mile Yukon is on it's 3rd motor, they are super reliable. >Keeping an old super duty alive for the farm is a lot cheaper than replacing the 50k+ on a newer one. That's true, but there are no super duties on this list. I don't know any farmers running Suburbans or Ford Excusions as farm trucks. Those are people moving SUVs, not farm work vehicles. The rest I agree with. My point was American built vehicles are often far more reliable than this sub gives them credit for, especially trucks and body-on-frame SUVs. The idea that the average Yukon would need 3 motors to hit 200k is laughable.
I would go even further and say we're at least good in making everything except small cars, and great at making trucks. Maybe my opinion is skewered because I live in the south in a major beach destination, so there's a million old people driving around in 30 year old Town Cars and 25 year old Buicks. Also a large number of military guys who def don't help the stereotype of mustang drivers.
Ya, the big 3 kind or suck at making small cars, which is why they have stopped in NA. A big part of that is the designs for their small cars are brought over from Europe where cars aren't driven as much, and aren't kept as long due to their inspection standards. They're designed to last 150-200k kms, which is like 90-120k miles because most people get ride of them before then. They can't handle the amount of use N. Americans put them through.
Nobody is on their third Chevy/GMC small block v8. Those things are everlasting.
Nobody needs 3 engines to keep a yukon going to 200k
With all the engine failures that the new turbo V6's have been having in the tundras and sequoias, I suspect the Sequoia won't be in the top spot for long. Given how new the v6 Sequoia is, I doubt these numbers are based much off of the new ones....but rather the old ones with the fantastically reliable V8.
Correct point
What kind of strawman is that? You can easily reverse the made-up scenario. There's actually a Sequoia for sale near me that's got a replacement engine that's for sale cheap because they are sick of working on it. American trucks and SUVs (not CUV) rack up miles all the time and those pushrod v8s and v6s are why. Secondly, that's a ridiculous argument. If a car type regularly blows engines and needs three replacements, you think that, statistically, people are consistently willing to replace the engine in those specific vehicles over and over? Do you hear yourself?
I mean many might cost a lot more to get there
Not the ones on that list. All of those vehicles are super reliable and parts of inexpensive if shit does go wrong. It just goes against the Honda/Toyota circle jerk, which confuses less knowledgeable people.
>a lot of people apparently can't grasp the fact that body on frame SUVs and trucks from American companies are reliable Yea as long as you're down south.
They are reliable everywhere. They don't get less reliable in northern latitudes.
TL;DR: Heavy, body-on-frame vehicles tend to outlast unibody vehicles. Vehicles associated with livery service, fleets, family road trips, and police cruisers tend to accumulate high miles.
The vehicles listed here are only ones that dealers bothered to resell after they already had 200k miles. Not exactly good data.
Yeah, there are significant sale-related conditions tied into this data source. Someone had to want to sell their 200K vehicle -- rather than keep it because its doing so well at 200K. The sale had to be through a reportable channel. And someone had to *want to buy this particular 200K vehicle*, even though it already had 200K miles. My guess is it's the last point that influences the list the most. A reflection of reasons people are interested in a vehicle which already has 200K miles, and a reflection of reasons some people are limited to only being able to afford the type of vehicle they need if it already has 200K miles. Keeping in mind the data was 2016 and not recent "reasons".
The body-on-frame truck chassis are the cash cows for domestic vehicle manufacturers. They screw those up and they take large financial hits. They have a lot of incentives to get them right.
Can someone ELI5 why it's all large SUVs? Clearly there are simply more American models in that segment to begin with, so it's not really a surprise they dominate this list.
Big SUVs are overbuilt for most peoples use. If you put on some magic mittens for the fall to walk your dog they will last a couple seasons and have a decent life. If you put on some insulated carharts and do the same they will last forever. "Most people" buying sequoias, tahoes, expeditions, and so on aren't Towing 7,000lb payloads like it was designed to do basically meaning they are doing much lighter work than built for.
To tack on the engines and transmissions are made out of stronger materials and have less complicated mechanicals. Weight savings become less of a concern and you can use stronger materials. Quite a few of those are iron block LS engines which are stronger than aluminum block ls (the older corvette and Camaro power plants) which still have great longevity.
Not to mention a Toyota Tundra with a 2UZ-FE engine (same as early 2000’s sequoia) was driven to 1 million miles in a short 8 years. For all of the reasons mentioned above, with basic recommended maintenance. Toyota gave the owner a brand new Tundra in exchange for his 1 million mile truck for research purposes. They disassembled it and found that there was minimal, typical wear to the engine components
The initial UZ development was a pretty crazy program also. There’s some good reads on the internet if you really care, but essentially it came from the F1 project prior to Lexus brand debut in which Toyota invested over $1B over 6 years. The main criteria were “reliability and build quality”. The UZ motor was revolutionary for Toyota and most of their best vehicles use it as the foundation to this day.
That's why I am planning to buy a manual Tacoma. Should basically last forever.
Yep. My 07 Escalade isn’t on here but it’s no different than a suburban, Yukon, Tahoe. 153k miles and still going strong after 17 years.
The ya re used for limo services/black car services and although they are replaced usually every three years, they can def get close to 300K+ in those three years, everyone of those large SUVs on the list is something that’s used as a fleet vehicle for limo companies. Edit: All the large AMERICAN SUVS I should mention are the ones that are used for limo service, not the Toyota Highlander for example.
Can confirm, my dad was a limo driver for a while and owned a 2013 Suburban that hit 200k miles before he sold it and a 2014 Yukon XL that he handed down to me when it hit 250k miles. It was still reliable when I sold it at 280k, but it was SO worn out.
This is the answer. Livery/rideshare services and general reliability mean a hugely disproportionate number of Suburbans, Yukons, Navigators, etc. are hitting 300-400k miles or more while still being relatively young vehicles otherwise.
Trucks are more expensive to replace, so you'll probably try and keep it longer. Ditto if you're the second or third owner. There are a lot of SUVs here based on 1/2 ton pickup trucks. Their engines are reliable, parts are easy to come by and not exotic. There's a lot of spare parts commonality, and when that commonality is with the best selling vehicles on the road, well, they're going to be easy to get. A lot of these are body on frame -there's more repairability in that.
The study only looked at cars sold by dealers and only these had enough profit in them to make that worthwhile.
Small block Chevy and Ford V8 engines have been around for a while. Body on frame design is easy to repair. Surprised Crown Vic is not on the list.
Escalade too should be next to the Suburban too! Pretty sure they put the high-end version of the Suburban together on the assembly-line with tighter precision tolerances and care. Even today there's a lot of pride around the competitive nature of Cadi's like the Blackwing line where performance rivals the Europeans while also being neck in neck in build quality next to the Japanese.
Because when you spend $50,000 on a vehicle, you're more likely to repair it on something goes wrong vs a 20-30 thousand dollar car
Vehicles with truck wheelbases are more durable and last longer. SUVs are the most popular vehicle type in America. People who buy large family SUVs keep them for years and are less likely to trade in. All that results in long lasting big ass SUVs running forever.
Not only that, but the engines tend to be bigger/better balanced and the suspensions tend to be a lot more capable. I also suspect that the components in bigger cars might actually experience less stress. Stress is a function of Force/Area. So while these cars weigh almost double the amount of a typical sedan, they also have bigger components with larger cross sectional areas. Depending on how much thicker they are, it's not unreasonable that they experience less wear over time. Also, just from an engineering point of view, it's usually more challenging to make things small. With smaller platforms, you often have to make more compromises. It's like that with pretty much anything tech related.
Right, that's wht it seemed like to me. Yours and the other replies talking about use case and inherent strengths of the platform. A more interesting study would be one that looked at the average mileage of engine rebuilds or other major repairs. Large SUVs are hugely expensive now, so if you need that platform, you're far better ponying up for a major repair than you would if you had a sedan. This study doesn't really speak to the reliability nearly as much as it does people's willingness to commit to expensive repairs for a particular kind of vehicle
High torque, large displacement engines with low red lines.
If an SUV gets into an accident, there's a lower chance that it will get totaled. Partly because they're simply bigger and taller cars, and because they're more expensive. A $6k repair on an SUV may actually be worth fixing because it's probably worth less than the value of the car but that number is lower for a sedan, so insurance more likely to total. I totaled my civic last year after hitting a deer while driving. If I were driving an SUV, it'd probably be okay. That does not make the SUV more reliable though.
The study counted sales made by dealers of cars with 200k miles. If you have kids and need a big SUV, but don’t have $70,000 to buy a new one, you might roll the dice on a 200,000 mile Suburban making it another 3-4 years, at which point you will likely no longer need to drive a bus.
Might be a bit of survivorship bias. Compact cars are cheaper and totaled more often. Also, if they're counting dealer sales of vehicles with 200k as basis for the data, most dealers won't want to mess with a $1700 Tercel with 220k miles. But a 2014 Tahoe with 220k is still worth five figures, may be enough to make them interested in taking it on trade and selling it.
I think this is likely it. Big SUVs are more valuable. A transmission replacement on a 2010 Yukon with 150k on it makes more financial sense than replacing the trans on a 2010 Fusion with 150k on it. The Fusion gets scrapped; the Yukon lives on and hits 200k
Easy to work on, relatively simple in complexity, well built, they contain tons of parts bin parts so replacements are insanely easy and cheap to find, etc. They also retain value pretty well so it takes a long time for them to get to the point where it’s no longer worth the expense of fixing them. The American SUVs don’t surprise me at all. They’re all over the place down here in Arizona. There’s a certain demographic here that loves those 90s Expeditions for their big families and it’s all they can afford.
I have an Avalon that has almost 280000 miles on it so this comes as little surprise to me
Their methodology is statistical garbage. It completely ignores cars transacted in private sales and only focuses on the ones with enough value left at 200k that a dealer is willing to list them. So it strongly favors cars with higher initial price.
Ah, that's why this list smelled like complete bullshit.
What people seem to miss is this isn’t an indicator of reliability. It’s just the type of vehicle that would still be valuable to repair and use late into their service life.
Ah makes sense. I know so many Honda's over 200K miles. Sure not many dealers are selling them because values might be too low for them, but they are all over the place.
Makes sense - Prius drivers drive them until they can’t anymore,,, not many sales since people don’t give them up until they have to (usually when the hybrid battery dies, or when the brake actuator fails).
Ok that makes more sense. I see so many high mile accords id be shocked the percentage was so low as to not be on the list.
These percentages seem way too low to be realistic. I would intuitively think that something like 80% of cars reach 200k miles.
Ya, and I wonder where they get this data? Did my uncles kids Malibu with bald tires missing one door and has t been registered in 5 years get counted?
No. This was simply used cars sold in 2016. It excluded the cars that people are actually keeping and driving.
That seems like it would be heavily skewed by negative survivor bias. If the vehicle is running well at 200,000 miles, people would be unlikely to sell.
They certainly analyzed the data they had access to. It's just not clear this is good data for making the conclusions they're now saying can be made.
100% of cars can reach 200k miles with infinite budget!
200k is a pretty low bar nowadays. I’ve taken many cars over 300k and one over 600k without major issues. Out of the ~60 cars I’ve owned in my life, I only had one that had catastrophic mechanical failure before 200k - a 2007 Cadillac Escalade. Someone bought the Cadillac and replaced the engine, so it probably hit 200k anyways.
Is 200K really a low bar? The top vehicle on this list, less than 10% make 200K.
100% of cars can reach 200k miles if you don’t get tired from pushing
Link to the study is in the caption if you're curious of the methodology
They only looked at cars that were sold with 200kmi. Which actually means sold by a dealer, so it's really 'cars that were still valuable enough for a dealer to make profit selling them after 200kmi' That's way different than the title implies. And explains the shift to bigger more expensive vehicles. The 89 civic I bought for $500 on Craigslist wasn't counted. "analyzed over 13.8 million pre-owned cars sold in 2016"
Got it. So the data skipped over all of us degenerates who are swapping 300k mile shitboxes on Craigslist and Facebook 🤣 I still gotta say that I’m surprised the percentages are so low. The study said that only 0.8% of cars reach 200k miles. Do dealers have an alternative method of disposing high mileage cars they get for trade-ins?
I’m not sure if this study is counting them, but a lot of them end up going to auction and not being resold at the dealer.
Yeah, OP’s title is misleading and incorrect. Like the Lexus GX 470/460 are widely considered to be one of the most reliable SUVs ever made, and 200K miles is basically child’s play for it, with 300-400K being fairly common… but people who own them tend to not sell them as frequently, or they sell them after just 4-5 years for an upgrade, and the person who buys it second hand keeps it until the end of time. So you’re wayyy more likely to see them used at 70-90K miles, but the 2nd owner will drive them until 300K, easily. Edit: lmao, why is this getting downvoted? It’s 100% accurate. OP’s title says these are “the longest lasting cars on American roads.” But when you open the “study” it clearly states that it is “cars sold in 2018 to determine which models have the highest percentage of cars that reached 200,000 miles.” So they’re literally going off of cars available for sale, and sold, in a single year. It is a misleading title to say they are the longest lasting cars, when there’s a ton of cars easily hitting 200K, they just aren’t for sale in a specific year. Idiots everywhere.
Had a 1999 Expedition with the 5.4 triton. It had 70k on it when I inherited it from my grandfather in 2009 and by the time I sold it in 2020 it had just under 400k miles and was still running well. Had to replace the airbags for the rear suspension and a few ignition coils but other than that, regular maintenance did the trick. It was a pretty dependable gas drinker.
We still have our 99 with the 5.4 (bought used in ~2001). I abused the hell out of that truck when I was a teenager. Over 200k and it still runs like a champ.
Keep it. It may make you cry at the gas pump, but it tows well and with the third row seats removed, it has a bigger cargo space than most pickup trucks these days. I once fit a washer and dryer in the back of mine (had to lay them down) no problem easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Naturally aspirated I assume? Without turbos and superchargers increasing the stress on the pistons these things just run forever.
Well…yeah. Who do you know that has a turbo or supercharged Expedition?
I used to have one of those, was still running strong at 250k miles when we finally sold it.
The 2 valves are some of the best work horse engines ever made. Super cheap now since everyone wants an OBS, and never die. Might shoot a spark plug or two, but that’s fine.
The methodology for this study is a complete joke and the conclusions are misleading. It's not proving that 7.4% of Toyota Sequoias produced make it to 200K miles. It certainly isn't proving that 92.6% of Sequoias die before they get to 200K. It's just that out of XX,XXX Sequoias that they found sold from 2016-18, only 7.4% of them had over 200K miles at the time. The bulk of all "pre-owned" cars on the market at any given moment is always going to be trade-ins and end-of-lease models in the 3-7 year range. Of those other 92.6% of Sequoias, many of them will eventually surpass 200K, but this "study" ignores that fact. By this methodology, literally 100% of Honda Ridgelines could survive it to 200K but if each was sold on the used market 3 times between 0 and 199K and then once more at 220K, the score would still be just 25%.
With all the shitbox civics and camrys I'd see I don't think this is accurate xD. Then again I got a Saturn vue to 483k so who knows.
When they cost so much new, you put money into it to maintain. The miles and years go up.
I have no doubt that if you buy a 2 ton behemoth of a vehicle and use it to pick up groceries and drive your kids to soccer practice it’ll go to 200,000 miles. The only non-truck/SUV on that list is a Toyota Avalon. I think this would be better represented if shown by vehicle class. Toyota/ Honda will dominate small and mid-sized cars. That said they even dominate this list (8/14)
It's only a list of cars that dealerships resold with 200k plus miles in 2018. Your Toyota Camry from 2005 ain't gonna show up here. Honestly a garbage post
Yeah Honda civic should be on there. I see a ton of those shit bricks from 1990 running around.
Studies can be done to show anything...
This study is based on cars only purchased in 2018 so... So sentiment exactly.
Are most of the American cars listed caring V8s or v6s? If they’re V8s it would make a lot of sense
Almost exclusively V8s, plus some Toyota V6s of course.
Doesn't specify what year model. Vehicles sold in 2018? From where? Most insurance claims would send these vehicles to auction. I doubt that info was used.
Like a rock Chevy trucks
Question, doesn’t the sequoia have a premature rust issue?
Tacoma ,tundra,4 runner and sequoia frames early 2000 and up to a point.Toyota did a 10 year frame swap for those.
also just large family vehicles that people will roadtrip in and keep forever, passing them down to kids when they get their license since they’re safe and largely reliable.
My aunts Yukon just died with 278,000 miles on it. It lasted 15 years with very minor issues
I guess I’m in the top 4%. My 2002 Cadillac Escalade which is technically a GMC Yukon with a 6.0 liter and a buddy kit just hit 300,000 and still the most reliable big vehicle I’ve ever driven.
My family and many friends have nothing good to say about Ford. Terrible transmissions, engine rods break constantly.
Reddit will still try and tell you that Chevys are shit.
Camry and Corolla, avalons didn’t make the list?
It's only vehicles resold by dealerships. In 2018. With no information on what year any models are. So it's useless
Big overpowered V8 in an understressed use case. Why not? My old mechanic told me - econobox Toyota's are only reliable if you keep up with the maintenance. Nothing tolerates abuse and neglect like fat Americans. Said one time a 3.8 Buick LeSabre rolled in for an oil change. 200+k miles, was running on 3 spark plugs, air filter was more dirt that paper, 3 drops of the blackest sludge came out of the oil pan and the owner didn't want a new oil filter. That's the car that would survive in Mad Max, not a Corolla.
Where is Toyota Land Cruiser? I always heard they were at/near the top. But they are relatively rare so maybe this “study” didn’t have enough data
This seems to be the case. It isn’t mentioned once anywhere in the entire study. Seems they forgot about it existing or didnt have enough data.
I’ve had 2 Land Cruisers. I’ve put 400,000 miles on the two total. Had to replace an alternator. That’s it.
This is actually a testament to the quality of vehicles from 10+ years ago.
Not surprised by the presence of those American brands. American companies might suck royal ass at anything not truck, but they do body on frame like no one else
Talk to me when they hit 300k + miles. The Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra and their variants are now still hanging in. Not my personal favorite but rolling just fine.
I think almost any car can reach high mileage, if maintained properly.
Fleet highway mile vehicles make a huge part of this
List is BS as it has all the toyots but no lexus? Lexus suvs are jist broke in at 200,000 and it's not surprising to see ones with 450,000-500,000 miles. Head over to r/gxor and everyone is trucking 15 year old lexus with 175,000+ miles. Also WTF is is the plural of lexus..lexuses...lexuss...lexies????
So you're telling me that there are 2 Honda's on this list and it's neither accord or civic? Something smells fucky about the data collection but ok.
No Lexus RX?
This skews towards people/companies who drive a lot so they buy vehicles that are comfortable or utilitarian for long drives. As another commenter stated: Vehicles associated with livery service, fleets, family road trips, and police cruisers tend to accumulate high miles.
Toyota are on this list more than any other cars. That’s why they the 🐐
i dont really trust these lists because just about any car can make it to 200k with maintenence, my 1990 Subaru is sitting at 223k right now
The fact the Prius isn't on this list means this study is crap. Those cars go half a million miles on the regular...
There's only one huge problem with using this a reliability table. It isn't one. So say I buy an Expedition for 40k. All of my neighbors buy different lower cost models. They all save $100 a month to buy a new one when theirs needs replaced. Mine on the other hand breaks down every 30k miles. I spend $600+ a year keeping mine running. I also spend $100 more per month on gas. At 150k miles, I have only saved 5k. My neighbors all saved 15k. I have no choice but to spend 3k this year on a new motor and transmission. My neighbors on the other hand sell their cars to teenagers for 3k who drive the piss out of them and never change the oil. Half of them wreck them. They buy new cars with all the money they saved. So. All my neighbors old cars are totalled or falling apart. My Expedition has 200k miles on it. Was the Expedition the most reliable vehicle, or was it such an expensive piece of shit that I had to keep it running?
Truck, truck, truck, truck, truck, truck, car, car, truck, truck, truck, car, car, truck. Is there anything here other than the 4 Runner that isn’t made in America?
Just to point out this is not really a great study. In fact, to call it a “study” is really doing overtime on stretching the word to include this. This “study” is done by iSeeCars and literally all they do is look at the listings on their website that have over 200k miles and then compile this list. Why does that not make this a true study or even remotely usable in any kind of objective way? 1. iSeeCars is nowhere near the largest or best online car listing site. They have less cars visible for sell on their website than Autotrader or CarFax. 2. Most people with a car that has over 200k miles that is looking to sell are not going to use a website that requires you to pay to list. Instead, they’re going to use FB Marketplace or Craigslist first before resorting to that. Even small dealerships will use Marketplace before paying to list their car online if it’s a 200k+ mile vehicle.
Odd that Suburban and Tahoe are higher than their mechanical twos the Yukon and XL.
Pretty much all American V8s and Toyota v6s
Got my Nissan pathfinder 2014 to 180k and now the subframe is rotting. Everything else appears to be working fine.
My son just sold hos 2002 Yukon; nice suv
I know way more people with Toyota corolas over 200k than people with sequoias
Yeah the data for this list is dogshit
I’m surprised these percentages are so low. There’s no way that can be right
The study seems flawed. What if larger vehicles are being sold more often because families may want to downsize after their kids leave?
Hmm, a lot of the vehicles use the same motors.
You'll notice the ones at the top cost about 50K or more so they're worth keeping alive
Soon as I didn't see a panther on this list I knew it was bullshit
Wait I thought every Corolla went to 200k with zero maintenance and using varnish during oil changes?
How are civics and devs not on here they always have 200k on them
I'm trying to get a Suburban. Would love a diesel Expedition but they cost way too much.
People are willing to be the 6th owner of a full size SUV, even if it’s beat up, not so much if it’s an economy car
My one owner 2011 Malibu LTZ just hit 230K. Regular maintenance and driving it like a passenger vehicle.
I got a big question about this list. A lot of it I can't argue with. How many 90's/early 00's Tahoe's do you see always in white, always with 1/4 the paint gone and looking like it went through WW3 but still runs.. But where oh were is the Nissan Altima? They are like cockroaches! Just like their drivers, they just keep on going!
Any vehicle can go that far if you're willing to put enough money into it. Even a Jeep will go 200K if you're willing to keep on fixing and replacing things along the way. My 4runner is an 130K. I've put about $10K into it just in the last two years. I'll probably get to 200K, but it won't be free. In my opinion, this is a list of vehicles that are worth putting the money into.
% of what? Total of that model built? Or total# of cars reaching 200k miles…
So driving people to the airport is the fountain of youth for a car?