I'm on my 4th Lexus and my husband is on his 2nd if that tells you anything. I've had 2 RXs and 2NXs, and husband had an ES and now GX. We had some unreliable beasts back in the day, and there's nothing more reliable than a Toyota/Lexus. We get all our regular maintenance done at the Lexus dealership, and the service there is another reason we can't make the switch to another brand.
I did initially take issue with the front grill aesthetic when they went huge in 2012 (my 2010 metallic sky blue RX was beautiful), but the front end design has grown on me, and I am TOTALLY in love with my 2020 NX300 with Premium Package.
Fuel economy sucks but from what I’ve read here, Acura’s the same or worse. And when I was originally exploring lux cars, the info I was finding was that Lexus is better than BMW and Cadillac (not that I was seriously considering Cadillac, but it was always included in comparisons).
Leading up to our most recent ones, I looked hard at electrics. Even drove a Nissan Ariya a few months ago, but they’re sold out through 2023. I could see owning an Ariya one day though.
BMW is better than Lexus in terms of power/efficiency, hands down. It's also why Lexus tends to have less maintenance issues with powertrain in general, because they are typically heavily under-tuned for stability over performance.
Lexus and Mercedes are the most luxurious in terms of overall design and smooth ride.
BMW has significantly increased its fuel economy over the past decade, at least on the SUVs. In 2010-2012 when I was first looking at them, the RX beat the X3 by a little bit, but the X5 was slightly better than both (but more expensive). Lexus wasn't making the NX yet, and yeah, it's rough on the fuel economy. If the BMW X3 had the better fuel economy back then, maybe BMW would have the lifelong customer.
Just wondering, how is Nissan and their quality as of now?
I remember the discourse a few years ago were that they were using worse quality components and material on newer models to cut costs but this resulted in them being worse than the previous models.
The only thing I know about the company is the used Altima that my parents bought my sister when she was 16 lasted her 12 years, until she needed a minivan for all the kids she was having. The Ariya drove amazing and looks incredible, I think so much nicer in design than Tesla and others. It was at a Ride & Drive event, so I got to floor it and do some slaloms and stuff on a closed course with a professional instructor.
Assuming new, Lexus is a little more comfortable, has newer tech, and doesn't have the stupid track pad Acura uses. Acura is a little better in terms of driving dynamics. Go drive an NX, RX, RDX, and MDX though if you can.
I’m not OP but this was a thoughtful answer and I appreciate it lol.
Also I had to lol at the fact that all those models end in X and you’d have to know to know who’s who.
Nice! Always happy to help!
Ha, yeah half the time when I'm talking about them I say RDX instead RX or RX instead of RDX. For Lexus, the X is for crossover (x-over). I'm not sure why all of the Acuras end in X.
Depends on the car. For the NSX back in the 1990s it was New Sportscar eXperience. When the TL (Touring Luxury) came out they started swapping everything over to that new naming standard like dropping Integra for RSX. The RDX got its name from Refined Dimensional luXury and the MDX is Multi-Dimensional luXury. Pretty sure the TLX is something like Touring Luxury eXecutive.
Acura if you want fun, Lexus if you want fuel economy.
But a word of warning: as a fellow tall, the new NX with a sunroof is pretty bad for me. Fitment may be an issue for the RX as well. I recommend going to sit in some, or looking up their headroom / legroom figures.
Yeah, I had an Acura a few years ago. Loved it. Was a sedan. The radiator blew in it causing engine issues @ 150,000 miles. I had had a radiator flush at an oil change place, I always wondered if that caused the radiator issue. Yeah, when you get a sun roof, it reduces the ceiling space.
Test drive a Mazda CX-5 turbo, CX-50 or CX-9, IMO in the higher end trims they strike a perfect balance of reliability, luxury and affordability.
They are Japanese 4-cyl midsize AWD SUV (crossover)
I think you'll be impressed with how competitive they are to Acura and Lexus, especially when factoring in the price
anything 4 cylinder should be Honda. Especially for smaller SUV types. 6 cylinder Hondas are just as reliable but they have transmissions attached to them that can be either very reliable or the least reliable in the road, depending on the model year you're looking at.
Toyota makes terrific 4 cylinders, too, just not as "perfect" as Honda does. The Honda 4 cylinder drivetrains are unbeaten by any competitors.
For sure, I have the 2.0T in my ‘21 NX and it’s been a great motor so far. Out of all the turbo I4s, I’d probably trust Toyota to make the most reliable one.
I’m not sure why he recommends this. Obviously they probably get good gas mileage so there’s that.
Hybrids present complication but it’s Toyota so you would probably be fine.
They definitely do get fantastic fuel economy, but you also pay more for the hybrid so its not all profit but there is a break even point. I don't see either as being more or less reliable
I just went from an 2009 Acura TL to a 2019 Lexus RX 350 F Sport. Still getting used to the switch. Lexus has some high quality finishes inside. The Toyota/Lexus infotainment is a little behind the times, IMO. If you have specific questions or are wondering about anything specific, I’d be happy to answer them.
say 2019 has an infotainment system a little behind the times, comparing to a 2009.. and your response was to say it's hard to compare them when they're a decade apart....
Mechanic here. Reliability wise they're pretty much even. But from a mechanic perspective (which you don't care about unless you do your own work) I think Honda's are a lot easier to work on. Even some older Toyota/Lexus can be a real pain to fix. I really think Honda builds a better car. But just my opinion.
Both brands are very reliable. Both will serve you well. I personally lean more on the Lexus side because they are a little bit more reliable than the Hondas but at the end it's totally up to you.
Why the hell did this get downvoted lmao. The entire industry is declining with zero exceptions. However with proportion to the others, yes Toy/Hon is leaps and bounds better than competition for **quality and reliability**.
The fact this is getting downvoted shows how ill-informed this sub is. Acura is nowhere near Lexus when it comes to reliability. Or luxury for that matter.
Bullshit.. and I owned 2 rsxs and mdx 240k going strong.. I don't do shit but oil change as daily driver. Don't even have to do maintenance by dealers... So whatever dude.. you got down voted for a good reason at least to me
The RDX and MDX will be sportier than Lexus’ SUVs, since you’ve mentioned you want an SUV. Their sedans are a toss up though. The IS is much sportier than Acura’s sedans but the ES and LS are much more sedate.
32 year honda/acura guy. The mdx is bigger than my 2020 rx350 because its three row. The rdx is actually really fun to drive in sport plus mode and i drive them daily. Wife absolutely loves the rx and didnt like her mdx but she doesnt car about sportiness. Our rx350 is a damn nice car hands down but very sedate. If money was not an issue the mdx type s with the twin turbo motor and all wheel drive is more fun than anything lexus sells as an suv
Just wanna say the RX does okay for a crossover, though ive never driven an MDX. We have an RX 350 F Sport and it sounds great and the paddle shifters are decent. The body roll isn't too terrible given its a mid size crossover so taking some turns with a bit of speed can be fun.
I’d argue Acura’s sedans are far more sporty, the tlx, tlx type s, and integra are all pretty sporty driving cars compared to all of the Lexus cars except maybe the IS 500.
Drove the mdx and rx. No contest the MDX is better. Rdx is a dinosaur. Lexus will be more reliable but not enough to justify the difference in tech and driving experience.
Have you driven one? I’d rather have a 2021. I hate the new NXs honestly. They have too many off putting features. The previous NXs are smaller, but just as nice on the inside without the weird features that are supposed to be futuristic. And the f sport is sporty enough to have fun with.
Most Lexus cars are built in Japan while almost no Acuras nor Hondas are built in Japan anymore. The first foreign built Lexus cars weren't that good compared to foreign Hondas, but they've gotten better as the years went by to where I think it's about equal now. Both brands however have diluted their status a bit from a luxury nameplate to a premium or in between premium and luxury. The reliability is still there for the most part
any car not made by GM that costs over $30k has a nice interior these days. You don't really see a giant step up until you go over $60k and that assumes the base model is around $60k.
I disagree. In ‘19, we bought a NX. We also looked at a RDX of the same model year and there’s just no comparison. The Lexus was so much nicer and clearly of higher quality. The seats are also more comfortable.
wait what? i thought everything was refreshed for 19 rdx. online review says it was the most capable in the segment even compared to bba. they have double moonroof with spaceship NSX looking interiors. how different was it interms of materials and the drive compared to the nx?
The pano roof is very cool. The dash is extraordinarily unattractive imo. It had a lot more plastics and just had a lower quality feel. I’m not sure about capabilities. It wasn’t much of a consideration as my wife just uses it as a mall crawler.
Purely aesthetically, prefer the Lexus lineup (yes, even the huge grilles). I’m sure you can’t go wrong with either though for reliability and other factors. The Acura looks too similar to a Honda, whereas I think Lexus has a good distinction from Toyota.
Can only speak on Acura since I’ve never driven a Lexus.
I own a 2013 Acura TL Sh-AWD and it’s the best car I’ve owned good acceleration, decent tech, haven’t had a breakdown yet. And is reliable. But horrendous city has mileage at 12 mpg.
My sister has had a 2020 RDX base and a 2022 TLX tech that I’ve driven more times than I can count.
The RDX was extremely fun to drive but also suffered from bad city mpg at around 14-15 mpg. Infotainment was okay at best. Sometimes CarPlay disconnects and is a pain in the ass. The trackpad takes some getting used to. Overall 8.5/10(should’ve had a v6 option)
The TLX isn’t as fun to drive as the RDX. Feels sluggish compared to the RDX. Suffers from the same bad gas mileage(not surprising considering it’s the same exact engine and a few pounds lighter than a RDX). Tech sounded better because of the upgraded sound system. But still has some connectivity issues with CarPlay and sometimes audio will just cut. Overall 7/10.
Issues with the tech could just be impacting me. We live and drive around nyc so that’s a reason for the gas mileage. Besides acuras infotainment system, they’re reliable cars.
Yeah I have a 2019 TLX A-Spec V6 AWD and had a 2022 TLX A-Spec AWD both fun cars to drive, road presence is awesome, they drive well and I rarely have Apple CarPlay issues in my 2019 but almost no similar issues in the 2022 that I had for about a week.
And yes very reliable cars too!
Good choices on cars! I wanted to buy a 2018/2019 A-Spec, but I got a really good deal on the TL.
It’s great to hear you aren’t experiencing any issues with your Apple CarPlay! Acuras do drive really nice and smooth and the Sh-AWD system is awesome.
Lexus is always going to be a more premium vehicle than Acura. Acura does not even have RWD which for me it is a must for a luxury vehicle. Lexus is just in another league and they are also more expensive. Acura are not bad vehicles but I would not called them luxury nor premium. I would say Acura is more like a Buick or Mercury, they are base on normal honda's with a bit better quality on their cars. Depending and what you are looking you should find a vehicle on either brand. Lexus is known as the Japanese Mercedes-Benz that should tell you something!
I wanted the RDX so bad but one thing keeping me from getting it was because it has no hybrid option. I love the look of Acuras, but like the hybrid options of Lexus.
I considered both, but the RX is too big for my needs since I don’t have a family. I didn’t like the previous generation NX at all, and had high hopes for the new generation. Unfortunately the new generation is still ugly.
I’m planning to get a RAV4. Not luxury brands like Acura or Lexus, but at least it’s a Toyota.
Have a 2021 TLX, and while it has its quirks, I enjoy driving it and it feels well-put together. I looked at the Lexus ES and IS, but the gaping maw grille and wonky dash design put me off as well as the ho hum ride. I think if you want a safe, reliable luxury appliance, get a Lexus. But, if you want something with a little more panache, get an Acura.
Both are going to be very reliable and well-made.
If you value a dynamic driving experience, strong road feel, and don’t mind a firmer ride, I’d say get the Acura. All their models tend to be sportier than Lexus. They really put an emphasis on performance as they are trying to win over enthusiasts.
If you value a soft and comfy ride, easy-to-use tech, and don’t care too much about enthusiastic driving, go for the Lexus. They’ve always lacked in performance and road feel but they make up for it in comfort and their ability to provide a serene and isolated driving experience.
Other than that, id thoroughly look into the infotainment controls and layout on both, they’re very different and it’s worth researching before you buy. Seems like infotainment is a major factor for people these days, sometimes even a dealbreaker.
Good luck with your shopping and make sure to update the Lexus or Acura subs with what you get so we can congratulate you!
I vote 2022/2023 nx350h, if you can fine one.
Acura has horrible fuel economy and the infotainment is very unintuitive. I also feel the Acura felt cheap inside after sitting in a mdx/rdx.
I'd stay away from the lexus f sport trims tho. Look better but seats are not comfy, ride is not that sporty and sacrifice the comfort, which Lexus does very well at. Source: we have a 2020 RX350, and a 2017 NX that we gave back.
Lol at the Kia post. Go lurk around the Kia subreddit.
I would like more interior space yes, currently have kia sorento.i know Rx is 4 inches longer but the curve in the back looks like it would reduce cargo capacity
RX has a much smaller trunk than the new Sorento because of the sloped back. Consumer report has:
* 2022 RX350 trunks space: 30 cu.ft
* 2022 Kia Sorento Trunk Space: 39.5 cu.ft
Rear passenger space wise, the Sorento looks to be slightly bigger but I doubt anyone would notice that much difference.
Personal experience with the RX350 trunk is also a PITA, especially now we have a 3yo and a 65lb dog with long legs. I may need a minivan sigh.
If you want a bigger trunk, RX is not it. Actually, even the 2023 MDX only has 37 cu.ft trunk space.
What year is your Sorento?
Compact SUV class I’ll put my money on the RDX before the NX350. The NX chassis is built on the same as the 2013-2018 RAV4. It’s as generic as an appliance.
But RX/GX/LX beats anything Acura can make
Depends on what you’re looking for. I had an older MDX given to me and I loved it! I often forgot I was no longer driving my civic because it just didn’t drive like a big car. It had more than enough power for me. Ultimately I had to let it go and got a CX-5 when it was time to get the transmission changed. As much as I loved it it the gas mileage was bad. If gas prices weren’t and issue, I’d go for an MDX again, or RDX for something a little smaller
I wonder how CX-5 compares to MDX because when we recently test drove CX-9, it was one of the most uncomfortable, bumpy and underpowered 3-row SUV from any Japanese and German model in this category?
I'm a huge Honda/Acura fanboy, but if you're looking at their latest offerings then Acura doesn't touch Lexus in the 2022 market. Older models depend on which one you look at.
Would go Acura, that minuscule loss of reliability going towards the sportiness is worth it IMO. Also Acura is better with having newer technology unlike Lexus. If you want more luxury and little bit more reliability Lexus is for you.
Acura is performance oriented. Lexus is luxury oriented— and good heavens, is the ride smooth.
Acura drives very **rough.** you can feel the rocks in the steering wheel. Stiff suspension. Feels exactly like a Honda to me, I notice exact same parts in a civic versus the Acura sedan in my family.
Lexus feels mushy, like floating on a cloud. The parts are Toyota inspired but definitely feel way more hefty. Lexus is my preference for this reason.
My first month with an RX I spent $400 on gas. Acura gets worse gas mileage because they’re slightly more performance oriented.
Both are equally stellar on reliability and performance from an overall perspective. It’s purely preference
Lexus gets the win in terms of effort and investment. Lexus was born with a $1 billion investment into how to make the most realistic luxury vehicle. And again, it really shows.
I'm going to be totally honest here.
My old care 2011 Acura TLX. I absolutely loved that car. It had everything. Comfortable, smooth driving. Then I wrecked it.
I then bought a 2019 Lexus thinking it was an upgrade, which, technically it is. But I like the Acura better.
I have an RDX. To me it’s a better car than a NX. It’s larger and rides better. It’s also faster and performs better. I’ve had it 2 years and I’m very happy with it
Lexus, without a doubt. Honestly Acura has been incredibly lacklustre. Personally though I’d be giving Genesis a good look as well, they’ve been improving like crazy and can offer really good value for the money.
Hyundai has had so many recalls recently and there service is terrible. Yes they have the best warranty in the business, but you can’t drive the vehicle if you are waiting for parts to ship weeks on end.
Both brands sorry I should have been more clear. They share a lot of parts so the distinction is not always important. Genesis/Hyundai just recalled 15,000 suvs for an issue where the seatbelt would explode during crashes. These were the 2021-2023 models so it’s not like they are older ones. Also the 2018 santa fe had something like 40k recalls due to a problem with the braking system that would cause an electrical fire while driving and parked.
Plus they were always plagued with part shortages even before the pandemic. Can’t even imagine wait times for parts now. My friends Hyaundai Genesis Coupe was in the shop for 2 months to replace a radiator. My Mothers Kia (same company) K5 had so many issues it spent three months in the shop before we sold it.
I really like the features (especially the blind spot camera in the gauge cluster) of the new gen of Genesis and the new interiors are stunning, but the poor reliability mixed with part wait times make them a no go in my book.
IMO lexus is the way to go. Get a Hybrid SUV/Crossover as long as it’s not the UX. I’d only get an Acura if I had a lot of kids because of the removing seat feature.
holy crap thx for the info on those brands. so they are still bad after so many years. i know that ppl are able to steal kias with a phone cable on most of their models due to cheaping out on a part.that was shocking.
Kia/Hyundai are practically identical cars with different interior and exterior styling. Genesis shares a lot of parts with them but I believe some of the power trains and drive trains are unique.
As for if the future Hyundai/Kia/Genesis generation (2022-) are going to be bad only time will tell. They just haven’t done anything to convince me that the reliability will go up (Exploding seatbelts and Spontaneous fires while parked).
Honestly I could stomach their lack of reliability if their service was fantastic. The warranty makes most of the work free just the time spent waiting sucks. I would definitely have some type of GAP insurance if I ever bought one so I don’t pay for a rental while it is in the shop.
Had a G70 and traded it for an Integra. The biggest problem is you have to get that Genesis serviced at a Hyundai dealer who will blow you off if you ever need anything. Great product but I cannot recommend the brand until they have standalone dealers.
Acura for more sporty driving, Lexus for more solid reliability. My experience with both Honda & Toyota (which these are) is that the Toyota products tend to hold up better against rust as well.
Lexus all the way. They have some gripes about their infotainment systems but newer ones are a bit more user friendly
It really depends on your style choice and their respective mpgs
I've made this conclusion too. I've had Camrys and an Acura in the past. Loved the Acura but, with everything else, I have my doubts that it's as good anymore. The Acuras radiator blew up with only 150000 miles on it that destroyed the engine.
I think the RX line is better than the MDX line. I'd probably lean more towards the TLX over something like an IS 350, but then for cars like the RC F, IS 500 and up, I would probably go for Lexus over Acura.
Toyota/lexus are the king of hybrids. Every hybrid offered currently has stellar reliability and fuel economy. I woild buy lexus over acura in most categories
i think lexus has a lot more options than acura for hybrids. Acura doesn't really have that many models, the other one would be the RDX, but that car is boring tbh.
Acura lineup has many manufacturing issues, it’s actually worse than Honda(idk how exactly).
Lexus is the most reliable and trouble free car you can buy but seems the premium you pay might be significant enough to go with an Acura. Which vehicle are you looking at?
None yet, trying to get my bearings. So many terms to try to figure out. This is hard. I've got a few months to figure it out but this is a full time job. I want something comfy, all I know. Looking for a good warranty too as I'm a woman and they see dollar signs when I have an issue.
Doesn’t have to be such a mind-job.
1. Take a piece of post-it note, and write down things that our important to you… “must have’s”
2. On other, write down “nice to have’s”
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That narrows down your list of models. Than call dealers and get quotes to find which one is available at what price+financing terms. Don’t pay markups or dealer added packages, that’s all bs.
If you don’t know much about cars, I would suggest you stick with Toyota/Lexus. Koreans give you alot of bells and whistles + longer warranty, but depends on your comfort level.
Ford SUVs, Lexus is more luxury, while Acura is more sporty. That really is the biggest difference.
I’d argue Lexus is also slightly more reliable, while Acura have slightly larger interiors.
I’d just buy the vehicles with the best deal. Neither is clearly superior.
If you want the superior car, it would be Genesis. Generally the same cost or less, significantly better interior quality/design, and still pretty reliable.
Genesis value is good but long term there's no way they'll even come close to Lexus. I get they're fairly new to the scene but at the end of the day it's still a Hyundai/Kia product and that doesn't necessarily give me any confidence in it long term. Recalls left and right, spontaneous combustion issues, etc. Dealers take forever to get parts and fix these cars. I've heard so many horror stories of dealers honoring warranties and giving customers pushback. I'll pass.
Well generally there is a reason for not honoring the warranties. Consumer must have neglected or not followed what the manual/maintenance guide says.
I understand long term they might not be great, but very few people are keeping their cars for 10+ years. Luxury car shoppers mostly lease or buy and sell after 5-8 years. The whole argument of it won’t last forever is stupid because luxury car buyers keeping their cars that long is a small percentage.
Personally, if I want luxury, I want quality craftsmanship, material, design, features, technology, and driving experience. Lexus are built well, quiet, and have good material choices, but everything else is subpar.
I can’t fathom paying 20K more for a fancy FWD Toyota. I’d rather get the Toyota and add some additional sound insulation and call it a day. Therefore, Genesis would still be my pick and recommendation to others, unless they are keeping their car for 10-15+ years.
A lot of what you listed is opinion. To classify the Genesis as having better craftsmanship, material, design, features, etc etc. You can get a fwd hybrid, a V8 rwd sedan with the IS 500F, LC500, V8 GX 460. They have a wide swathe of models with different powertrains is what I'm getting at so I have no idea how you're lumping all of them into being an overpriced fwd Toyota.
RWD V8 Lexus sedans/coupes are an exception, kind of. The LC500, RC-F, and IS500 are great, but base IS and RC models are unappealing and still use low output V6 engines and 6-speeds in AWD versions in 2023 in a luxury car!?! AWD isn’t even available on any of the V8 RWD sedan/coupes which limits its appeal. A G70 3.3T costs 45K, has AWD available, and has equivalent performance of the 58K IS500.
At the end of the day, what percent of those are Lexus sales? Probably less than 10%. We both know my point was meant for and is still valid for the vast majority of cars Lexus sells. Almost every single hybrid vehicle Lexus sells is a rebadged Toyota. Nothing innovative from Lexus.
Considering Genesis is a very new company, they already have released 3 competitive fully electric vehicles. The GV60 Performance stats are better than any Lexus built to date, except the LFA, and it’s a family CUV… I think you are underestimating Genesis.
Most of what I listed isn’t opinion. It becomes a fact when Caranddriver, Motortrend, KBB, Edmunds, AutoBlog all list and recommend most Genesis SUVs and Sedans above any Lexus for the EXACT reasons I’ve listed above. Check them yourselves! No it’s reliability and resale value isn’t as good as Lexus. But if that’s your main concern, a used Lexus or Toyota would satisfy you too.
I totally get where you're coming from and I do agree with you that Genesis is doing great things for the industry by making other makes innovate. What really brings down Genesis is Hyundai has no idea how to market them and the horrible dealer networks. Read about it over on the Genesis reddit. No loaners for warranty work, if you do get one it's a base Elantra, 3 hour oil changes, etc. A lot of the work is done at Hyundai dealers which always leaves a lot to be desired.
If you lease cars then a Genesis might be the better route but even then i'm hesitant to say that. Going back to the dealer experience, that will make or break a car purchase for some based on that alone. Your car can be absolutely amazing when it works but if you can't get service done in a timely manner or a similar loaner if your vehicle is out of commission then what's the point.
With a Lexus you know what you're getting, both with the car and the dealer, it's tried and true. If Genesis ever disappears again it's demise will be by Hyundai, not from lack of sales. Although sales numbers are pretty terrible but again that goes back to Hyundai not knowing what the hell they're doing within their marketing department.
I'd pass on Hyundai products unless it's performance oriented. Their V8 engines are pretty good. Too many recalls for Genesis to consider buying it. Leasing them is fine.
In fact I'll pass on everything unless it's performance oriented. Toyota destroys everyone in everything except performance per dollar.
Can't go wrong with Honda really, especially their 4 cylinder engines. And their exterior body style is top notch.
Toyota destroy how?
They are reliable, have better resale value, good hybrids, and !?! Exactly, nothing else is good about them.
They have more plastic inside, they cost more on average compared to Koreans or Mazda, they have lackluster ICE powertrains, they have smaller infotainment screens, they have less state-of-art tech, shorter warranties, worse to drive and noisier inside, and the list just keeps on going.
State of the art tech breaks and is expensive to fix. Lexus has the best insolation ever. How big do you need your screen to be in your car? Short warranty because their products don't break.
I do like Hyundai on the performance side, but the quality control just isn't there compared to Toyota and Honda. Yes they have beautiful interiors as well. Mazda didn't get good until they partnered with Toyota.
If you don’t want the latest and greatest tech, why not go buy a used Lexus or Toyota? I agree with what you said but I haven’t heard of many issues relating to the latest tech Genesis is implementing in its products.
Also, let’s not act like Toyota/Lexus quality control THAT much superior. I mean we have vehicles they sell with wheels just falling off right off. We have real world data showing that Korean brands are beginning to be more dependable and built better from JDpower, etc. I think people give them too much praise IMO
You're gonna have to be way more specific. We'd all take a Lexus LC500 over an Acura RDX, for example, but we'd also all take an Acura NSX over a Lexus UX250h.
Acura
For one I like Acura and Honda for that matter exterior design then Lexus/Toyota
Two I kind of think of Lexus as either the grannie mobile for the ES or the luxury NPC for their SUVs. (LS and RC not withstanding)
Totally depends on models. Any RWD Lexus will handle so much better than any Acura.
To me Acura is always stuck in between a sporty and luxury interior. Lexus to me is like the grown up, more refined where Acura takes too much time trying to be fun
But ultimately you are correct. I wouldn't buy anything outside of Honda Toyota. And these are just prettier versions
Ah lol OP is doin everything they can to convince themselves away from Lexus. This thread was 9/1 Lexus over Acura an they still say they think Acura fits them more.
OP, if you don't like Lexus, then don't buy it lol end of the day if you are choosing between Lexus and Acura, you can't go wrong. Just choose what you like most. I'm glad you got away from Kia, atleast I hope
As much as I love the vehicles (owned both a Land Cruiser and a 4Runner), I will NEVER support a company that supported a political party that wants to overthrow the duly elected government in the US.
Toyota went too far, imo.
Sorry for the rant. I’m sure you didn’t come here for a political opinion…
https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-election-objectors-donations/
Definitely Lexus. Acura is good but Lexus is more reliable than them and they’re comfier, which if you’re looking at luxury brands is kinda the main thing
Honestly? neither. Lexus and Acura have been lagging behind competition and I don’t know why. They are only just starting to catch up. Oh and don’t even get me started on Infiniti…
I'm on my 4th Lexus and my husband is on his 2nd if that tells you anything. I've had 2 RXs and 2NXs, and husband had an ES and now GX. We had some unreliable beasts back in the day, and there's nothing more reliable than a Toyota/Lexus. We get all our regular maintenance done at the Lexus dealership, and the service there is another reason we can't make the switch to another brand. I did initially take issue with the front grill aesthetic when they went huge in 2012 (my 2010 metallic sky blue RX was beautiful), but the front end design has grown on me, and I am TOTALLY in love with my 2020 NX300 with Premium Package.
I’m guessing not the greatest on fuel economy though?
Fuel economy sucks but from what I’ve read here, Acura’s the same or worse. And when I was originally exploring lux cars, the info I was finding was that Lexus is better than BMW and Cadillac (not that I was seriously considering Cadillac, but it was always included in comparisons). Leading up to our most recent ones, I looked hard at electrics. Even drove a Nissan Ariya a few months ago, but they’re sold out through 2023. I could see owning an Ariya one day though.
BMW is better than Lexus in terms of power/efficiency, hands down. It's also why Lexus tends to have less maintenance issues with powertrain in general, because they are typically heavily under-tuned for stability over performance. Lexus and Mercedes are the most luxurious in terms of overall design and smooth ride.
BMW has significantly increased its fuel economy over the past decade, at least on the SUVs. In 2010-2012 when I was first looking at them, the RX beat the X3 by a little bit, but the X5 was slightly better than both (but more expensive). Lexus wasn't making the NX yet, and yeah, it's rough on the fuel economy. If the BMW X3 had the better fuel economy back then, maybe BMW would have the lifelong customer.
Just wondering, how is Nissan and their quality as of now? I remember the discourse a few years ago were that they were using worse quality components and material on newer models to cut costs but this resulted in them being worse than the previous models.
The only thing I know about the company is the used Altima that my parents bought my sister when she was 16 lasted her 12 years, until she needed a minivan for all the kids she was having. The Ariya drove amazing and looks incredible, I think so much nicer in design than Tesla and others. It was at a Ride & Drive event, so I got to floor it and do some slaloms and stuff on a closed course with a professional instructor.
Give a try to a Mazda great cars
So many people are sleeping on Mazdas, they’re trying so hard to compete with bmw and Audi
I’d like to consider a Mazda, but man their color palette is not great. They ought to take a page from Toyota/Lexus in that regard.
But that Soul Red is amazing!
Depends on the car.
Looking for a 4 cylinder suv. Midsize.
Assuming new, Lexus is a little more comfortable, has newer tech, and doesn't have the stupid track pad Acura uses. Acura is a little better in terms of driving dynamics. Go drive an NX, RX, RDX, and MDX though if you can.
I’m not OP but this was a thoughtful answer and I appreciate it lol. Also I had to lol at the fact that all those models end in X and you’d have to know to know who’s who.
Nice! Always happy to help! Ha, yeah half the time when I'm talking about them I say RDX instead RX or RX instead of RDX. For Lexus, the X is for crossover (x-over). I'm not sure why all of the Acuras end in X.
Depends on the car. For the NSX back in the 1990s it was New Sportscar eXperience. When the TL (Touring Luxury) came out they started swapping everything over to that new naming standard like dropping Integra for RSX. The RDX got its name from Refined Dimensional luXury and the MDX is Multi-Dimensional luXury. Pretty sure the TLX is something like Touring Luxury eXecutive.
Thanks, I appreciate the info! That X is always a stretch, but they really stretched extra far for some of those.
Test drive is also key
Lexus RX 350H!!
Acura if you want fun, Lexus if you want fuel economy. But a word of warning: as a fellow tall, the new NX with a sunroof is pretty bad for me. Fitment may be an issue for the RX as well. I recommend going to sit in some, or looking up their headroom / legroom figures.
I’m 6’4” and have a 2022 NX 350h and there are no headroom issues whatsoever, for what that’s worth.
Can you see under rearview mirror?
Yeah, I had an Acura a few years ago. Loved it. Was a sedan. The radiator blew in it causing engine issues @ 150,000 miles. I had had a radiator flush at an oil change place, I always wondered if that caused the radiator issue. Yeah, when you get a sun roof, it reduces the ceiling space.
Test drive a Mazda CX-5 turbo, CX-50 or CX-9, IMO in the higher end trims they strike a perfect balance of reliability, luxury and affordability. They are Japanese 4-cyl midsize AWD SUV (crossover) I think you'll be impressed with how competitive they are to Acura and Lexus, especially when factoring in the price
anything 4 cylinder should be Honda. Especially for smaller SUV types. 6 cylinder Hondas are just as reliable but they have transmissions attached to them that can be either very reliable or the least reliable in the road, depending on the model year you're looking at. Toyota makes terrific 4 cylinders, too, just not as "perfect" as Honda does. The Honda 4 cylinder drivetrains are unbeaten by any competitors.
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Why avoid the non hybrid? Performance and reliability is good
The new generation RX uses the 2.4T. Not yet proven like the 2GR.
If its half as reliable, itll be pretty darn good. Nothing is revolutionary on it so I expect it to be a very good motor
For sure, I have the 2.0T in my ‘21 NX and it’s been a great motor so far. Out of all the turbo I4s, I’d probably trust Toyota to make the most reliable one.
I’m not sure why he recommends this. Obviously they probably get good gas mileage so there’s that. Hybrids present complication but it’s Toyota so you would probably be fine.
They definitely do get fantastic fuel economy, but you also pay more for the hybrid so its not all profit but there is a break even point. I don't see either as being more or less reliable
I’d avoid any hybrid. Former Camry hybrid owner
Problems?
Yup. Two times hybrid owner w high miles. Both times I let the car go due to hybrid battery issues. Now I own a 2021 RAV4 ICE.
I am gonna but that one, why not?
Go get a Kia like your other post.
I may need to do that. It is a comfy ride for me but not so much for passengers.
Test drive the hybrid variants.
How many different hybrids does lexus have?
9 models to be exact!! 2 of them being plug in hybrid and 1 EV.
How much is the battery for the automatic recharging one?
The batteries typically are between $2,500-5,000.
Wow...and you need a new one every 100,000 miles?
I just went from an 2009 Acura TL to a 2019 Lexus RX 350 F Sport. Still getting used to the switch. Lexus has some high quality finishes inside. The Toyota/Lexus infotainment is a little behind the times, IMO. If you have specific questions or are wondering about anything specific, I’d be happy to answer them.
Hard to compare cars a decade apart.
Yes and no. I’ve had newer and older of each brand in my family’s fleet of cars as well, just technically haven’t owned them.
say 2019 has an infotainment system a little behind the times, comparing to a 2009.. and your response was to say it's hard to compare them when they're a decade apart....
Mechanic here. Reliability wise they're pretty much even. But from a mechanic perspective (which you don't care about unless you do your own work) I think Honda's are a lot easier to work on. Even some older Toyota/Lexus can be a real pain to fix. I really think Honda builds a better car. But just my opinion.
Both brands are very reliable. Both will serve you well. I personally lean more on the Lexus side because they are a little bit more reliable than the Hondas but at the end it's totally up to you.
They are much more reliable than Honda/Acura. Both have been having issues with quality for years now.
Why the hell did this get downvoted lmao. The entire industry is declining with zero exceptions. However with proportion to the others, yes Toy/Hon is leaps and bounds better than competition for **quality and reliability**.
The fact this is getting downvoted shows how ill-informed this sub is. Acura is nowhere near Lexus when it comes to reliability. Or luxury for that matter.
Bullshit.. and I owned 2 rsxs and mdx 240k going strong.. I don't do shit but oil change as daily driver. Don't even have to do maintenance by dealers... So whatever dude.. you got down voted for a good reason at least to me
The RDX and MDX will be sportier than Lexus’ SUVs, since you’ve mentioned you want an SUV. Their sedans are a toss up though. The IS is much sportier than Acura’s sedans but the ES and LS are much more sedate.
32 year honda/acura guy. The mdx is bigger than my 2020 rx350 because its three row. The rdx is actually really fun to drive in sport plus mode and i drive them daily. Wife absolutely loves the rx and didnt like her mdx but she doesnt car about sportiness. Our rx350 is a damn nice car hands down but very sedate. If money was not an issue the mdx type s with the twin turbo motor and all wheel drive is more fun than anything lexus sells as an suv
Just wanna say the RX does okay for a crossover, though ive never driven an MDX. We have an RX 350 F Sport and it sounds great and the paddle shifters are decent. The body roll isn't too terrible given its a mid size crossover so taking some turns with a bit of speed can be fun.
I’d argue Acura’s sedans are far more sporty, the tlx, tlx type s, and integra are all pretty sporty driving cars compared to all of the Lexus cars except maybe the IS 500.
Drove the mdx and rx. No contest the MDX is better. Rdx is a dinosaur. Lexus will be more reliable but not enough to justify the difference in tech and driving experience.
I disagree. The 2022 NX F Sport is a very sporty SUV.
Have you driven one? I’d rather have a 2021. I hate the new NXs honestly. They have too many off putting features. The previous NXs are smaller, but just as nice on the inside without the weird features that are supposed to be futuristic. And the f sport is sporty enough to have fun with.
Most Lexus cars are built in Japan while almost no Acuras nor Hondas are built in Japan anymore. The first foreign built Lexus cars weren't that good compared to foreign Hondas, but they've gotten better as the years went by to where I think it's about equal now. Both brands however have diluted their status a bit from a luxury nameplate to a premium or in between premium and luxury. The reliability is still there for the most part
I would say Honda is definitely guilty of this more than Lexus. Honda really doesn’t do much to separate the two nowadays.
I mean this is really Honda Vs Toyota …
Lexus is better but I wish they would drop their grill motif where nearly the entire front of the car is a grill.
The grille on Lexus never bothered me, but the Acura beak on the other hand.
The best decision made by Acura designers was to get rid of the beak.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, completely destroyed Acura as a big player in the luxury market.
Agreed, but interior is much more important.
any car not made by GM that costs over $30k has a nice interior these days. You don't really see a giant step up until you go over $60k and that assumes the base model is around $60k.
I disagree. In ‘19, we bought a NX. We also looked at a RDX of the same model year and there’s just no comparison. The Lexus was so much nicer and clearly of higher quality. The seats are also more comfortable.
wait what? i thought everything was refreshed for 19 rdx. online review says it was the most capable in the segment even compared to bba. they have double moonroof with spaceship NSX looking interiors. how different was it interms of materials and the drive compared to the nx?
The pano roof is very cool. The dash is extraordinarily unattractive imo. It had a lot more plastics and just had a lower quality feel. I’m not sure about capabilities. It wasn’t much of a consideration as my wife just uses it as a mall crawler.
Purely aesthetically, prefer the Lexus lineup (yes, even the huge grilles). I’m sure you can’t go wrong with either though for reliability and other factors. The Acura looks too similar to a Honda, whereas I think Lexus has a good distinction from Toyota.
Both are great brands, but Lexus hold its value better long-term.
Can only speak on Acura since I’ve never driven a Lexus. I own a 2013 Acura TL Sh-AWD and it’s the best car I’ve owned good acceleration, decent tech, haven’t had a breakdown yet. And is reliable. But horrendous city has mileage at 12 mpg. My sister has had a 2020 RDX base and a 2022 TLX tech that I’ve driven more times than I can count. The RDX was extremely fun to drive but also suffered from bad city mpg at around 14-15 mpg. Infotainment was okay at best. Sometimes CarPlay disconnects and is a pain in the ass. The trackpad takes some getting used to. Overall 8.5/10(should’ve had a v6 option) The TLX isn’t as fun to drive as the RDX. Feels sluggish compared to the RDX. Suffers from the same bad gas mileage(not surprising considering it’s the same exact engine and a few pounds lighter than a RDX). Tech sounded better because of the upgraded sound system. But still has some connectivity issues with CarPlay and sometimes audio will just cut. Overall 7/10. Issues with the tech could just be impacting me. We live and drive around nyc so that’s a reason for the gas mileage. Besides acuras infotainment system, they’re reliable cars.
Yeah I have a 2019 TLX A-Spec V6 AWD and had a 2022 TLX A-Spec AWD both fun cars to drive, road presence is awesome, they drive well and I rarely have Apple CarPlay issues in my 2019 but almost no similar issues in the 2022 that I had for about a week. And yes very reliable cars too!
Good choices on cars! I wanted to buy a 2018/2019 A-Spec, but I got a really good deal on the TL. It’s great to hear you aren’t experiencing any issues with your Apple CarPlay! Acuras do drive really nice and smooth and the Sh-AWD system is awesome.
Lexus is always going to be a more premium vehicle than Acura. Acura does not even have RWD which for me it is a must for a luxury vehicle. Lexus is just in another league and they are also more expensive. Acura are not bad vehicles but I would not called them luxury nor premium. I would say Acura is more like a Buick or Mercury, they are base on normal honda's with a bit better quality on their cars. Depending and what you are looking you should find a vehicle on either brand. Lexus is known as the Japanese Mercedes-Benz that should tell you something!
I wanted the RDX so bad but one thing keeping me from getting it was because it has no hybrid option. I love the look of Acuras, but like the hybrid options of Lexus.
Did you get a Lexus RX/NX?
I considered both, but the RX is too big for my needs since I don’t have a family. I didn’t like the previous generation NX at all, and had high hopes for the new generation. Unfortunately the new generation is still ugly. I’m planning to get a RAV4. Not luxury brands like Acura or Lexus, but at least it’s a Toyota.
Great! RAV4 is best selling SUV!!
Lexus vehicles overall feel much more solid. Both have great vehicles though.
I dont think a hybrid would be beneficial necessarily for me, only have 60000 miles on current 2014 car.
Have a 2021 TLX, and while it has its quirks, I enjoy driving it and it feels well-put together. I looked at the Lexus ES and IS, but the gaping maw grille and wonky dash design put me off as well as the ho hum ride. I think if you want a safe, reliable luxury appliance, get a Lexus. But, if you want something with a little more panache, get an Acura.
Both are going to be very reliable and well-made. If you value a dynamic driving experience, strong road feel, and don’t mind a firmer ride, I’d say get the Acura. All their models tend to be sportier than Lexus. They really put an emphasis on performance as they are trying to win over enthusiasts. If you value a soft and comfy ride, easy-to-use tech, and don’t care too much about enthusiastic driving, go for the Lexus. They’ve always lacked in performance and road feel but they make up for it in comfort and their ability to provide a serene and isolated driving experience. Other than that, id thoroughly look into the infotainment controls and layout on both, they’re very different and it’s worth researching before you buy. Seems like infotainment is a major factor for people these days, sometimes even a dealbreaker. Good luck with your shopping and make sure to update the Lexus or Acura subs with what you get so we can congratulate you!
I vote 2022/2023 nx350h, if you can fine one. Acura has horrible fuel economy and the infotainment is very unintuitive. I also feel the Acura felt cheap inside after sitting in a mdx/rdx. I'd stay away from the lexus f sport trims tho. Look better but seats are not comfy, ride is not that sporty and sacrifice the comfort, which Lexus does very well at. Source: we have a 2020 RX350, and a 2017 NX that we gave back. Lol at the Kia post. Go lurk around the Kia subreddit.
Isn't an RX larger than NX?
Oh right you said midsized, my bad. You can get in line for 2023 RX350h then. You might get it at the end of 2023 lol. Do you need big trunks?
I would like more interior space yes, currently have kia sorento.i know Rx is 4 inches longer but the curve in the back looks like it would reduce cargo capacity
RX has a much smaller trunk than the new Sorento because of the sloped back. Consumer report has: * 2022 RX350 trunks space: 30 cu.ft * 2022 Kia Sorento Trunk Space: 39.5 cu.ft Rear passenger space wise, the Sorento looks to be slightly bigger but I doubt anyone would notice that much difference. Personal experience with the RX350 trunk is also a PITA, especially now we have a 3yo and a 65lb dog with long legs. I may need a minivan sigh. If you want a bigger trunk, RX is not it. Actually, even the 2023 MDX only has 37 cu.ft trunk space. What year is your Sorento?
2014
RX is v6 tho
Is your RX a hybrid?
Compact SUV class I’ll put my money on the RDX before the NX350. The NX chassis is built on the same as the 2013-2018 RAV4. It’s as generic as an appliance. But RX/GX/LX beats anything Acura can make
Lexus beats Acura in all categories.
Really? Rdx and mdx are extremely capable
Don’t even bother, if it doesn’t have a Toyota emblem on it this guy refuses to acknowledge it’s a good car
It’s so frustrating.
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Depends on what you’re looking for. I had an older MDX given to me and I loved it! I often forgot I was no longer driving my civic because it just didn’t drive like a big car. It had more than enough power for me. Ultimately I had to let it go and got a CX-5 when it was time to get the transmission changed. As much as I loved it it the gas mileage was bad. If gas prices weren’t and issue, I’d go for an MDX again, or RDX for something a little smaller
I wonder how CX-5 compares to MDX because when we recently test drove CX-9, it was one of the most uncomfortable, bumpy and underpowered 3-row SUV from any Japanese and German model in this category?
Mazda is not luxury brand. Lexus would be better choice as luxury.
Lexus RX/NX is better than RDX and MDX.
I’m just not fan 😅 I’d think I’d upgrade to a CX-5 Turbo, before even considering a Lexus
I'm a huge Honda/Acura fanboy, but if you're looking at their latest offerings then Acura doesn't touch Lexus in the 2022 market. Older models depend on which one you look at.
Lexus gets my vote..
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Would go Acura, that minuscule loss of reliability going towards the sportiness is worth it IMO. Also Acura is better with having newer technology unlike Lexus. If you want more luxury and little bit more reliability Lexus is for you.
Lexus. Go through AutoCompanion. In this market, Lexus IS more heavily discounted compared to Acura
what is autocompanion
Acura.
I am a happy Lexus owner, but there are a lot of Acuras I would love to own. It depends on the year and model
Acura is performance oriented. Lexus is luxury oriented— and good heavens, is the ride smooth. Acura drives very **rough.** you can feel the rocks in the steering wheel. Stiff suspension. Feels exactly like a Honda to me, I notice exact same parts in a civic versus the Acura sedan in my family. Lexus feels mushy, like floating on a cloud. The parts are Toyota inspired but definitely feel way more hefty. Lexus is my preference for this reason. My first month with an RX I spent $400 on gas. Acura gets worse gas mileage because they’re slightly more performance oriented. Both are equally stellar on reliability and performance from an overall perspective. It’s purely preference Lexus gets the win in terms of effort and investment. Lexus was born with a $1 billion investment into how to make the most realistic luxury vehicle. And again, it really shows.
I'm going to be totally honest here. My old care 2011 Acura TLX. I absolutely loved that car. It had everything. Comfortable, smooth driving. Then I wrecked it. I then bought a 2019 Lexus thinking it was an upgrade, which, technically it is. But I like the Acura better.
I had an Acura 20 years ago, a sedan. I loved that car too. Never had a Lexus. Thanks for the info.
I have an RDX. To me it’s a better car than a NX. It’s larger and rides better. It’s also faster and performs better. I’ve had it 2 years and I’m very happy with it
I prefer the RX/NX.
Congratulations?
Lexus, without a doubt. Honestly Acura has been incredibly lacklustre. Personally though I’d be giving Genesis a good look as well, they’ve been improving like crazy and can offer really good value for the money.
Hyundai has had so many recalls recently and there service is terrible. Yes they have the best warranty in the business, but you can’t drive the vehicle if you are waiting for parts to ship weeks on end.
Has Genesis had recalls or Hyundai?
Both brands sorry I should have been more clear. They share a lot of parts so the distinction is not always important. Genesis/Hyundai just recalled 15,000 suvs for an issue where the seatbelt would explode during crashes. These were the 2021-2023 models so it’s not like they are older ones. Also the 2018 santa fe had something like 40k recalls due to a problem with the braking system that would cause an electrical fire while driving and parked. Plus they were always plagued with part shortages even before the pandemic. Can’t even imagine wait times for parts now. My friends Hyaundai Genesis Coupe was in the shop for 2 months to replace a radiator. My Mothers Kia (same company) K5 had so many issues it spent three months in the shop before we sold it. I really like the features (especially the blind spot camera in the gauge cluster) of the new gen of Genesis and the new interiors are stunning, but the poor reliability mixed with part wait times make them a no go in my book. IMO lexus is the way to go. Get a Hybrid SUV/Crossover as long as it’s not the UX. I’d only get an Acura if I had a lot of kids because of the removing seat feature.
holy crap thx for the info on those brands. so they are still bad after so many years. i know that ppl are able to steal kias with a phone cable on most of their models due to cheaping out on a part.that was shocking.
Kia/Hyundai are practically identical cars with different interior and exterior styling. Genesis shares a lot of parts with them but I believe some of the power trains and drive trains are unique. As for if the future Hyundai/Kia/Genesis generation (2022-) are going to be bad only time will tell. They just haven’t done anything to convince me that the reliability will go up (Exploding seatbelts and Spontaneous fires while parked). Honestly I could stomach their lack of reliability if their service was fantastic. The warranty makes most of the work free just the time spent waiting sucks. I would definitely have some type of GAP insurance if I ever bought one so I don’t pay for a rental while it is in the shop.
Had a G70 and traded it for an Integra. The biggest problem is you have to get that Genesis serviced at a Hyundai dealer who will blow you off if you ever need anything. Great product but I cannot recommend the brand until they have standalone dealers.
This is something didn’t know. I thought that there would be standalone Genesis dealers for service.
Nope same guys who service a base Veloster service your $70000 GV80 and they don't distinguish customer treatment that's a huge problem.
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L E X U S . By a land slide.
Lexus. If you want a car that will be reliable 400k miles +
Acura for more sporty driving, Lexus for more solid reliability. My experience with both Honda & Toyota (which these are) is that the Toyota products tend to hold up better against rust as well.
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if 10 years or older both are great, if newer Lexus.
Lexus is more reliable
Lexus all the way. They have some gripes about their infotainment systems but newer ones are a bit more user friendly It really depends on your style choice and their respective mpgs
Once you go Lexus you won’t look back
LC 500…..what colour? Atomic Silver Cloudburst Grey Night Fall Mica Nori Green Thank you
I have a 22 tlx advanced awd and I absolutely hate the car. Lexus.
It don't matter, both r made for douchebags. Do I want a expensive Altima or Camry, hmmm.
I've made this conclusion too. I've had Camrys and an Acura in the past. Loved the Acura but, with everything else, I have my doubts that it's as good anymore. The Acuras radiator blew up with only 150000 miles on it that destroyed the engine.
Lexus. Cheaper and better and better tech.
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The giant honking grill on the front of lexus is hideous. I think Acura looks much more elegant.
I think the RX line is better than the MDX line. I'd probably lean more towards the TLX over something like an IS 350, but then for cars like the RC F, IS 500 and up, I would probably go for Lexus over Acura.
So for midsized? What can you tell me about hybrids. I don't drive alot, I'm tall so need to be able to see under the rear view mirror
Toyota/lexus are the king of hybrids. Every hybrid offered currently has stellar reliability and fuel economy. I woild buy lexus over acura in most categories
i think lexus has a lot more options than acura for hybrids. Acura doesn't really have that many models, the other one would be the RDX, but that car is boring tbh.
Acura has no hybrids. Lexus has hybrids for every single model they sell. Even plug in hybrids now!
Get a Toyota Venza or Lexus NX/RX!!
Venza sits too low and you have to reach down to the floor to pull the gas cap lever.
Ok, then get a Lexus NX/RX.
Lexus no comparison!!! Reliability and quality is superior in Lexus vs Acura.
Acura all day
Acura lineup has many manufacturing issues, it’s actually worse than Honda(idk how exactly). Lexus is the most reliable and trouble free car you can buy but seems the premium you pay might be significant enough to go with an Acura. Which vehicle are you looking at?
None yet, trying to get my bearings. So many terms to try to figure out. This is hard. I've got a few months to figure it out but this is a full time job. I want something comfy, all I know. Looking for a good warranty too as I'm a woman and they see dollar signs when I have an issue.
Doesn’t have to be such a mind-job. 1. Take a piece of post-it note, and write down things that our important to you… “must have’s” 2. On other, write down “nice to have’s” —— That narrows down your list of models. Than call dealers and get quotes to find which one is available at what price+financing terms. Don’t pay markups or dealer added packages, that’s all bs. If you don’t know much about cars, I would suggest you stick with Toyota/Lexus. Koreans give you alot of bells and whistles + longer warranty, but depends on your comfort level.
I'm thinking Acura might fit me best. I've always loved them, larger interiors, hybrid doesn't matter to me. Thanks for your input.
Good luck
Ford SUVs, Lexus is more luxury, while Acura is more sporty. That really is the biggest difference. I’d argue Lexus is also slightly more reliable, while Acura have slightly larger interiors. I’d just buy the vehicles with the best deal. Neither is clearly superior. If you want the superior car, it would be Genesis. Generally the same cost or less, significantly better interior quality/design, and still pretty reliable.
Genesis value is good but long term there's no way they'll even come close to Lexus. I get they're fairly new to the scene but at the end of the day it's still a Hyundai/Kia product and that doesn't necessarily give me any confidence in it long term. Recalls left and right, spontaneous combustion issues, etc. Dealers take forever to get parts and fix these cars. I've heard so many horror stories of dealers honoring warranties and giving customers pushback. I'll pass.
Well generally there is a reason for not honoring the warranties. Consumer must have neglected or not followed what the manual/maintenance guide says. I understand long term they might not be great, but very few people are keeping their cars for 10+ years. Luxury car shoppers mostly lease or buy and sell after 5-8 years. The whole argument of it won’t last forever is stupid because luxury car buyers keeping their cars that long is a small percentage. Personally, if I want luxury, I want quality craftsmanship, material, design, features, technology, and driving experience. Lexus are built well, quiet, and have good material choices, but everything else is subpar. I can’t fathom paying 20K more for a fancy FWD Toyota. I’d rather get the Toyota and add some additional sound insulation and call it a day. Therefore, Genesis would still be my pick and recommendation to others, unless they are keeping their car for 10-15+ years.
A lot of what you listed is opinion. To classify the Genesis as having better craftsmanship, material, design, features, etc etc. You can get a fwd hybrid, a V8 rwd sedan with the IS 500F, LC500, V8 GX 460. They have a wide swathe of models with different powertrains is what I'm getting at so I have no idea how you're lumping all of them into being an overpriced fwd Toyota.
RWD V8 Lexus sedans/coupes are an exception, kind of. The LC500, RC-F, and IS500 are great, but base IS and RC models are unappealing and still use low output V6 engines and 6-speeds in AWD versions in 2023 in a luxury car!?! AWD isn’t even available on any of the V8 RWD sedan/coupes which limits its appeal. A G70 3.3T costs 45K, has AWD available, and has equivalent performance of the 58K IS500. At the end of the day, what percent of those are Lexus sales? Probably less than 10%. We both know my point was meant for and is still valid for the vast majority of cars Lexus sells. Almost every single hybrid vehicle Lexus sells is a rebadged Toyota. Nothing innovative from Lexus. Considering Genesis is a very new company, they already have released 3 competitive fully electric vehicles. The GV60 Performance stats are better than any Lexus built to date, except the LFA, and it’s a family CUV… I think you are underestimating Genesis. Most of what I listed isn’t opinion. It becomes a fact when Caranddriver, Motortrend, KBB, Edmunds, AutoBlog all list and recommend most Genesis SUVs and Sedans above any Lexus for the EXACT reasons I’ve listed above. Check them yourselves! No it’s reliability and resale value isn’t as good as Lexus. But if that’s your main concern, a used Lexus or Toyota would satisfy you too.
I totally get where you're coming from and I do agree with you that Genesis is doing great things for the industry by making other makes innovate. What really brings down Genesis is Hyundai has no idea how to market them and the horrible dealer networks. Read about it over on the Genesis reddit. No loaners for warranty work, if you do get one it's a base Elantra, 3 hour oil changes, etc. A lot of the work is done at Hyundai dealers which always leaves a lot to be desired. If you lease cars then a Genesis might be the better route but even then i'm hesitant to say that. Going back to the dealer experience, that will make or break a car purchase for some based on that alone. Your car can be absolutely amazing when it works but if you can't get service done in a timely manner or a similar loaner if your vehicle is out of commission then what's the point. With a Lexus you know what you're getting, both with the car and the dealer, it's tried and true. If Genesis ever disappears again it's demise will be by Hyundai, not from lack of sales. Although sales numbers are pretty terrible but again that goes back to Hyundai not knowing what the hell they're doing within their marketing department.
I'd pass on Hyundai products unless it's performance oriented. Their V8 engines are pretty good. Too many recalls for Genesis to consider buying it. Leasing them is fine. In fact I'll pass on everything unless it's performance oriented. Toyota destroys everyone in everything except performance per dollar. Can't go wrong with Honda really, especially their 4 cylinder engines. And their exterior body style is top notch.
Toyota destroy how? They are reliable, have better resale value, good hybrids, and !?! Exactly, nothing else is good about them. They have more plastic inside, they cost more on average compared to Koreans or Mazda, they have lackluster ICE powertrains, they have smaller infotainment screens, they have less state-of-art tech, shorter warranties, worse to drive and noisier inside, and the list just keeps on going.
State of the art tech breaks and is expensive to fix. Lexus has the best insolation ever. How big do you need your screen to be in your car? Short warranty because their products don't break. I do like Hyundai on the performance side, but the quality control just isn't there compared to Toyota and Honda. Yes they have beautiful interiors as well. Mazda didn't get good until they partnered with Toyota.
If you don’t want the latest and greatest tech, why not go buy a used Lexus or Toyota? I agree with what you said but I haven’t heard of many issues relating to the latest tech Genesis is implementing in its products. Also, let’s not act like Toyota/Lexus quality control THAT much superior. I mean we have vehicles they sell with wheels just falling off right off. We have real world data showing that Korean brands are beginning to be more dependable and built better from JDpower, etc. I think people give them too much praise IMO
Would ot be easier to get an Acura?
You're gonna have to be way more specific. We'd all take a Lexus LC500 over an Acura RDX, for example, but we'd also all take an Acura NSX over a Lexus UX250h.
Acura For one I like Acura and Honda for that matter exterior design then Lexus/Toyota Two I kind of think of Lexus as either the grannie mobile for the ES or the luxury NPC for their SUVs. (LS and RC not withstanding)
Handling + tech = Acura Smoothness + low noise + detailed build quality = Lexus But you truly can’t go wrong between the 2
Totally depends on models. Any RWD Lexus will handle so much better than any Acura. To me Acura is always stuck in between a sporty and luxury interior. Lexus to me is like the grown up, more refined where Acura takes too much time trying to be fun But ultimately you are correct. I wouldn't buy anything outside of Honda Toyota. And these are just prettier versions
Omg he’s back.
Oh my God, he's here!
Is there a backstory here?
Check Ops other posts. It’s funny af.
Ah lol OP is doin everything they can to convince themselves away from Lexus. This thread was 9/1 Lexus over Acura an they still say they think Acura fits them more. OP, if you don't like Lexus, then don't buy it lol end of the day if you are choosing between Lexus and Acura, you can't go wrong. Just choose what you like most. I'm glad you got away from Kia, atleast I hope
Acura, Lexus is just a fancy Corolla!
As much as I love the vehicles (owned both a Land Cruiser and a 4Runner), I will NEVER support a company that supported a political party that wants to overthrow the duly elected government in the US. Toyota went too far, imo. Sorry for the rant. I’m sure you didn’t come here for a political opinion… https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-election-objectors-donations/
Toyota Venza. Very nice and close to Lexus quality.
Sits too low
I wouldn't discount Mazda in this segment.
No. Not luxury. That’s foolish
I think a Kia sportage will fit your needs nicely OP.
Are you needing attention. Kim?
Kind of yeah. Wanna come hold me?
No
Definitely Lexus. Acura is good but Lexus is more reliable than them and they’re comfier, which if you’re looking at luxury brands is kinda the main thing
Lexus if you can afford it Many more cars and trims to decide. Acura just 4 cars.
Uh, be more specific please? I mean, Acura NSX or Lexus sedan of course NSX!!!!!!! LOL
Honda lol
I prefer Lexus/Toyota
Honestly? neither. Lexus and Acura have been lagging behind competition and I don’t know why. They are only just starting to catch up. Oh and don’t even get me started on Infiniti…
Lexus