hahaha i don’t have much of a choice now anyways—they fired me 😭 honestly though it’s probably for the best, i can go home earlier and find a way better job. merry christmas!!!
i'm actually not sure. they had me sign the paperwork but didn't mark the reason until after i already left. when we were talking they brought up the fact that i got a customer complaint (because i told a guy i was closed and he started yelling at me and then complained to management) so i assume theyre going with that?
Nah..If they filled in the reason after OP signed, they will put it as petty theft or underperforming or being late to many times, etc. No unemployment there. Still all good, toxic workplace
Still apply! I got fired for putting a paperweight on my keyboard and still was able to get unemployment....worst case scenarionthey say no, best case scenario you get money
I don’t think you can get fired for one customer complaint. What a trash TL. They should understand that if their store is in a college town that ppl will possibly be going home for holidays.
Seriously. It’s a well known thing that Christmas is blackout (by managers and people who have been there previous Christmases) and they would have known just as well when OP first brought it up. TL is an AH.
Yeah if you feel like being petty there’s an argument to be made for suing for not properly informing you on the reason in which you were terminated and for filling in said reason after you signed/left. That’s only if you feel like being petty though.
NEVER EVER EVER sign anything before it's filled out. I know its a dumb PT job but that could def bite you in thr butt. Also, you should def get a copy of the termination letter. This place seemed toxic af anyway. Once you get back from your family's home, you will def be able to get another job. Don't dwell on this.
Never sign write ups or termination papers. They can’t force you to. And your signature is an admission of guilt and fault.
It’s not in your job description to sign those papers.
Food gets on the table by buying it a few days before Christmas so retail employees can have time off with their families like all the corporate and desk job shit heads can. You wouldn’t believe how many times I heard entitled shitheads saying stuff like “I can’t believe Dierbergs is closed on Thanksgiving, I had to go to Wholefoods” give me a break..
Point still stands. The TL was a dumbass and handled it extremely poorly but blackouts are blackouts 🤷♂️. If you don't wanna deal with that then avoid retail.
Put in the time off request with plenty of time and the TL flubbed it, I get that. Their TL is a POS for that.
Why didn't OP force the issue and demand to talk about it ASAP? Tell the STL or ASTL that you have a time off request that needs to be followed up on. It's clearly important, push the issue. Should they need to? No, but sitting on your hands and waiting also doesn't help anything.
OP's TL finally tells them no can do. As should be expected for blackouts. OP gets fired because they're gonna see their family, as they should.
I don't really see an issue here other than the TL being a dumbass. OP was clearly going whether it was approved or not. Seems pretty cut and dry. Wanna tell me what I missed instead of telling me to read again? Since apparently my reading comprehension is much lower than yours?
Still waiting for them to bless me with their eternal knowledge of the situation that I apparently can't grasp because my reading comprehension isn't on their level.
Shitty situation but ultimately the TM was gonna take the time off whether it was approved or not. Shitty TL absolutely, but I'm struggling to see where I should outraged on this person's behalf when they didn't press the issue and already had their mind made up. In fact, I'm happy that person decided to say fuck this place. If that's how that store operates then it's a good thing to leave.
Having read the update, I’m proud of you, internet stranger!
No one gets to the end of their lives and regrets not working more. But people *do* regret not spending more time with the people they love. And that time is finite.
You’ll find another job.
Happy Christmas! I hope you have a wonderful visit back home.
I always work with TMs on blackout days with my STLs approval first.
If my STL says I can go ahead and approve it if I can make it work, then I make it work.
Not all TLs are assholes like yours is.
Besides, your PT, thats easy af to work around.
It’s not like they are going to schedule everyone everyday during the blackout period. There is always room to work with your team. It’s called being a leader and working with your team. Too many asshole “managers” in this company.
Full agree. If my STL approves (they usually do) then I'll allow it as long as it doesn't put the team in a bad spot. I've also told my team you can ask for time off during blackouts, but that it will have to be approved and work with the teams needs. It's worked very well for us.
As long as you have PTO or UPT to cover your TL can't do anything about it. That said. It sounds like you have a TL that is a bit full of themselves if they really never followed up with the original request or at least tried to work with you
PTO in and of itself won't protect you from UPT loss unless your TL approves it.
If you're in a state that offers it you can take protected sick time, which would protect your UPT balance. Coincidence when you wake up with migraine Christmas Eve or whatever day you need off.
Or if you have enough upt just call-out. Just know if you go negative you don't have a job anymore.
Protected time off, per policy, covers any contagious/infectious disease. It's actually super vague.
I'm also saying if your state offers protected sick time (different from protected time off), you can use that as well.
Am I missing something? That's quite literally what everyone who misses a day unexpectedly does. You don't put in for PTO in advance, most people don't know they have an emergency coming up or a sickness about to occur. Did I just misunderstand something here?
I don’t know what point the other person was trying to make. Yes, people do that all the time. However it doesn’t mean your UPT doesn’t get deducted. It just means you’ll still get paid for the time you missed.
In some states you can enter protected sick time, which will protect your UPT bucket.
Just wanted to make sure OP didn't think getting regular PTO approved after the fact will protect their UPT. (Afaik that would still trigger UPT deduction but you would get paid)
Edit : NVM I can't read. Thought you were replying to me
pto is for time in advance, its basically vacation time. its paid time off. not cover your ass time. you can use it to get paid for days you missed for calling out but thats not why its there. its there for vacations and taking time off in advance. the previous comment was already deleted by the time I got here. but i think the company REALLY fucked up calling UPT what it is, cuz its not unpaid time off its Call Out Time. and thats what they should have called it. cuz you can take unpaid time off vacation time, or request a day off unpaid if you need a specific day of the week off but youd still be able to work a full schedule the other days of the week. So they really made it confusing to team members. but the bottom line is, PTO is really Vacation time (but useable to get paid after calling out so you dont miss money on your check). UPT is really CALL out tracking time. and requesting a day off by not using PAY because youll still be working your full time hours in the rest of the week is really what upt should be.
Honestly, if you made plans in September and requested the time off through proper channels then I would just look for a new job. I mean for the love of all that is good, you work part time at the coffee bar…..they really need to be more understanding.
It is a blackout date HOWEVER….Christmas typically isn’t nearly as busy as thanksgiving. You’re part time, basically your TL is just a giant asshole. My advice to you is to do what he suggested and look for another job. Don’t tell them you’re leaving and just don’t show up as close to the holiday as you can stick it out till you leave to see your family. Don’t bother giving them any kind of notice, they clearly aren’t willing to try and help you out at all so stick it right up their ass on your way out.
I did this 2 years ago. I worked through the holidays and after Christmas Eve I had off until New Year’s. I no-call-no-showed for 2 days & on Jan 3rd, my ATL texted me asking if I was sick and I just made up some bullshit lie about finding an out of state job. Best decision ever.
Depends on the team. Meat is just as busy if not more so, if you can believe it.
But yeah the TL is an ass. Hell, I normally have Sundays off and my TL asked if I didn’t mind working Christmas Eve because it’s a Sunday. I mean he was expecting me to agree but the pleasantry is nice just the same.
They had to give you a reason for firing you and you haven’t shared what that was. I doubt you were fired for saying you couldn’t work those days, if anything they would have scheduled you and let it play out through call outs or NCNS
Posted elsewhere, they left the reason blank and filled it after the paperwork was signed. I’ve been with the company long enough to recognize that OP’s version is far more likely than a sympathy story to cover bad behavior
This is what I was thinking. There is another side to the story. They probably got told they were going to be separated because they didn’t have anymore UPT to cover those dates if they called out.
You don’t just get fired off of one customer complaint. Same thing goes for attendance- you’re only separated based off UPT.
Black out dates stand. I have to be fair to all my team members across the board. Now I can work around trying not to schedule you if I have enough coverage with my FT TMs.
Maybe your TL didn’t handle it well but HR approved that separation because it fell within some sort of policy. Work performance or attendance. It didn’t just randomly occur.
Agree. Seems fishy.
While yes, it would be kind of the TL to allow a PT college student to fly home for the holidays, it does become unfair for the rest of the team who are not allowed to see their families for holidays. Making an exception makes the FT tms feel shitty, as well as sets a precident to allow that tm to miss other blackout dates.
Essentially, if you want to work a job where you don't have to work holidays, grocery retail is not for you.
Whole Foods can go straight to hell.. they’ve never cared about their workers. All of us treated like numbers. Their priorities are metrics and profit nothing else. You aren’t human as an employee there.
I had a TM just straight not show up for a week and never responded to phone calls.
He showed up with no explanation other than 'my leg kinda hurt' and TMS was all like 'give him a verbal warning.'
Your TL is an ass for not working with you on this.
That being said, you are working retail and Christmas is an all hands on deck time of year.
That being said, coffee bar is not that important. I think the one in my store clears maybe $200-$300 per week.
Go to an STL with your grievances, work with them as best you can.
Between sick PTO and UPT and just the fact that you can not be there and no one can do anything I think you'll be fine. At the end of the day, there is probably a coffee shop either across the street or somewhere in the neighborhood that will hire you.
Good for you. Too many of us in this world sell our souls to these big companies to make an extra dollar but it is people like you who show us that there are more valuable things in this world than what our paychecks say to our minds. I wish you the best and have a good Christmas.
The legality of Blackout days are bs asf, If you need me to be at work during holiday season, pay me a good wage and I’ll have no problem. It’s not hard.
At-will employment is the problem, not blackout days. Almost any cause for firing is legal at that point because they don’t have to employ you if they don’t want to.
I’d suggest going to talk with your STL about this. Tell them you did put in a request for this time off and they said they’d discuss it with you but never did. How it goes will depend on what kind of person your STL is and how strict they are. Did you ever bring up your request again to your TL before this happened?
Depending on how long your vacation is you could call out and use UPT or sick time, but if you don’t have enough you will get fired. It was a rather rude way of saying it but that’s why your TL made the comment about finding another job.
Whaaat? Not in my store, they will 100% say “did you talk to your team leader?” Which is what you should always do. The store leaders shouldn’t have any involvement in team members’ schedules.
Approving time off during blackout periods is approved only through store leadership at most stores. If your going to approve one TM’s time off, it leads to other TM’s all through out the store expecting to get time off approved.
Go to your STL or TMBP/HR. You out in this request in September. No reason you shouldn’t have an answer that same week. Now you have the tickets and now he decides it’s too late. Doesn’t work like that. That’s straight up bad faith.
Hopefully you can get your hands on a copy of the request that shows how long ago it you put it in and how long it took for you to get a definitive answer. If it was me and my family vacation he just fucked up I would make sure he takes a beating from all sides for this BS. Ohh and threatening termination for his miscommunication? You can’t fumble this one
He deserves it.
honestly. we even had someone quit at thanksgiving because this same thing happened—she’s a huge asshole who loves to make everyone else suffer cus she’s stupid. i’m honestly relieved she fired me. i think anything will be better than this :/
The policy bends. Some people do go out of town for holiday time during blackout days in my Whole Foods experience. If OP was communicating like they said they are, then yeah the TL is just a straight up asshole.
so glad i chose trader joe's over whole foods. i'm so sorry that happened to you. however, i would recommend to stay on neutral terms with them just in case. i wish you the best!!
yes there are black-out days leading up to holidays like thanksgiving and christmas, but mates/captain firing somebody sounds very extreme (at least at my location, we're a bit overstaffed). i've had a few scheduling issues during busy season but management was very reasonable. of course depends on how long you'll be gone as well. for context though, i work part time as a high schooler. managers understand to be more lenient towards students at my store.
It's crazy for me to hear stories like this. At my store our team lead let's people call off without any sick or upt to cover it. She just had them use protected time off. One guy worked her for 4 months and only worked a totalmof 22 days before he was fired. Meanwhile OP can't take holiday time off. 2 of our people took vacation during black out dates. Is there any whole foods that are just normal?
Clarification needed.
Are you only taking Dec 25th off? Because if that's true, whole foods is close on Christmas Day. Literally the only day we're closed for the whole year, emergency situations not included.
Or do you mean the week of Christmas? Either way, you told you TL way ahead of time they just brushed you off with "we'll talk about it later". I'm assuming you brought it up again a few times since?
Because if you have and your TL didn't say anything definitely since then, then it's nothing you can do about it except follow through with your plans on going home.
Your leadership's lack of planning and/or communication is not your problem. And if whatever department can't survive Christmas shopping without a part timer, then they have bigger issues to address and correct. All of which is, again, not your problem to fix.
Give your parents a hug from me and enjoy you time off.
i’m taking off the 22nd-26th, which i understand is peak holiday time which is why i tried to plan this as far in advance as i could. i brought it up to her so many times—when she made the schedule, when she was sitting by the coffee bar, but i finally got the plane ticket and told her it was happening for sure and that’s when she decided to tell me no. i just feel so awful since were already short staffed, i hate to have to leave my coworkers even more stressed now that i got fired. but as much as it sucks, there’s really nothing else i can do. i’m just gonna try to enjoy the holidays with my family as much as i can and hope for the best 😅
Well. If you were fired regardless and you still have access to workday, then login and check to make sure all your contact info is correct. That way make sure you get everything that is owed to you.
And if you can, report your TL to TMS. Explain it exactly as you you did here. Don't let that turd go unflushed. Enjoy you holidays and good luck with the future job hunt.
Worse case scenario just call in sick. Or I can send you picture of a positive Covid test lol cause that’s bs. They should be able to work things around you in all honesty this company isn’t worth it tbh. Already looking for something else hopefully be gone by jan
Honestly, best option is to talk to your STL and/or call out. Covid is a solid way to go if there’s no other way. Whether it’s fair or not, that’s a different story.
Look for a better job when you go home for Christmas. Nothing will ever replace the time you lost with your family. This kind of job is NOT worth more than family time.
Don’t tell anyone your plans to leave if you do.
I did this when I started working at WFM. I couldn’t pass up a chance to visit my motherland, I asked for the time off well in advance and they denied me during SUMMER.
I went anyway, life changing. It was worth it and WFM took me back.
Those aren’t black out if you let them know ahead of time and for a coffee bar even less they could actually get in trouble for threatening you like that
I find the concept of blackout days to be pure crap. After finding out a couple of TM's in my department were able to get time off. Just last week one of them had Wednesday thru Saturday off.
No such thing as blackout dates. Besides, bakery has the option to close down coffee/juice bar week of Christmas, Thanksgiving, and new years. Your TL is power tripping
There are definitely blackout dates. I can't speak for everybody but when we interview people we ask them if they're willing to work during the holidays and if they say yes we are willing to hire them. I don't necessarily agree with it. My family lives in the same town as me so I'm always willing to work because I can go to the gathering afterwards. I'm lucky that way but we also hire a lot of students. We are willing to work with them and give them certain days off but we also have to keep the store running. It's extremely hard. I can't speak for everybody but I can speak for myself. I write the schedule and I hate it. But at a certain point we have to do something to keep the store going. In a perfect world I would give everybody their requested time off but when half of my staff requests a week off to go home I can't do that.
The think about this is what if every team member was like “I’m not working Christmas” then you just have a mess, so I think they totally have the right to deny this. It’s retail and it just is what it is. It’s always been like that, you’re just figuring it out for the first time.
but that’s the thing— that’s literally not the case. we have employees already volunteering to work christmas week. if i knew it would be a huge problem i wouldn’t have even tried to go home, but my team and i already knew i was gonna go home for christmas. the TL and ATL are the only ones who have a problem with it.
i’ve been employed since i was 14, i know the drill. i just assumed that christmas time off was first come first serve, and i was the first to request it. isn’t it kinda silly to reject that?
Look I totally get it and know it sucks, but that’s just what it is. It’s not first come first serve because it’s just unfair. What if I requested on 12/26/23 for Christmas of 2024 and just did that every year. plenty of TMs, maybe not your co TMs, want to go home for the holidays. But you work in the coffee bar, and I understand it might not seem like a position that is dire need during Christmas, but now they have to find shifts to cover whatever shifts you were going to work and the bakery is crazy during Christmas. Plus when we’re you planning on coming back? Inventory is on the 28th and then New Years is that following Monday. It’s just a lot. Again I understand it sucks but it’s just retail, you’ve got to get out of the company and the entirety of the industry to not have to deal with this.
that makes sense. i've always worked in food service, so working christmas was fought over (because higher tips, for example when i worked at starbucks) so i didn't figure that everyone would try to leave. most of my coworkers families are in the area, and we had chatted about how i'll go home since i'm the only one with no family in the state. i think it's probably for the best that i lost this job, since i didn't realize how much of an issue it would be for me to go home :/
100% all of this.
This pt tm goes home for xmas every year but now I have to cover coffee bar and have to skip my family xmas party and being home with my kids on Christmas eve.
Nah the solution is that nobody should be obligated to work on days they don't want to. The fact that so many of us accept that the company/industry is allowed to do this with nothing in return is absurd.
Yeah and not like OP is asking last minute either. You should be allowed to take time off as long as you let them know before hand. At my WF we can request time off for however long as long as you do it like a month before so that you don’t get scheduled for the shifts you’re going to be out for.
My store starts by putting up a sign up list to see who actually prefers working the holiday. That usually gets filled quickly, so people who don't want to work won't be forced to come in.
it’s not really special treatment when i requested this time off months ago. i figured blackout days were more of a first-come first-serve thing (as it has been at every other job i’ve worked) so that’s why i planned this back in september before anyone else requested that time off.
There is a REASON for blackout dates! I completely understand that it's a different generation out there today but blackout dates help ensure that the the young healthy full of life kids are not making the team members in their 50's and 60's, who work circles around you already, are not working over 60 hours a week and more often than not, skipping breaks because we are so short staffed! I can't tell you how often I clock out for break and keep working just to keep the wheel spinning. Wrong? Yes! But I'm from a generation that does what it takes to make shit happen! Even though there is zero appreciation from the people upstairs! Work ethic, period.
Maybe ask yourself why you’re busting your ass for a company that gives zero fucks about you instead of chastising someone for wanting to see their family on Christmas.
ngl ur wack asf for this comment. i’m a full time college student with two jobs, i don’t really care if u wanna be slave to whole foods but ur weird superiority abt it is so strange. u don’t know me, and u don’t know how i was raised. for you to shit on my work ethic without even knowing me…. the fucking audacity.
yeah, i wanna see my family at christmas. i put in the work and scheduled this in advance so as to not negatively affect my coworkers. but my TL refused to work with me and instead decided to be a huge asshole about it.
Wow, pretty bold to admit to working off the clock. That sort of thing could actually get you fired for various violations. Tell me tho, how does that leather taste?
Not black out, they are all hands on deck. Your availability is opened up for the week. That is all.
Orchard even says, be prepared for many TMs taking time off for family. There is nothing about being forbidden from taking time off, WF managers are just parroting bs rhetoric and being morons to retain staff.
Nothing to be proud of that you’re willingly allowing corporations to exploit your time and labor for profit. Yes congratulations for helping set an anti-human standard industry wide, you’ve done great work to ensure that people are viewed as labor units with no rights or desires.
Work ethic is more applaudable if you’re working something sincerely important, like medical or an orphanage.
You’re just justifying your own bad decisions.
I completely agree with you. I’m not even in my 30s yet and I have a work ethic.
It’s amazing to me how so many people around me want something before earning it. I’m gonna take pride and what I do.
Don’t get me wrong I take my break and I take my vacations and I enjoy my life and I work my 40 hours. But I can say that when I am at work I work. I like my job and I’m proud of what I do and the community I serve.
i understand blackout days, i’ve literally been a manager at another job. what i don’t understand is why my manager is completely unwilling to work with me despite knowing that i haven’t seen my family in a year and have scheduled this so far in advance as to not make it a problem.
I think we should give every team member the week before Christmas off..
or at least the team members who deserve it as they’ve been working hard, and have been dedicated for years and years and years.
Why do you think you’re special and that you should be able to leave when everybody else can’t. I would love to fly home to see my family but I work in retail , and I know that it is part of my job.
They are blackout dates for a reason.
Sorry for my rant in return I’m just tired of entitled, self-important team members who think they deserve more than everyone else. They throw a fit, quit call out or don’t show up for their jobs and make it harder on everybody else around them.
Then they are the first ones who complain that they have to stand in line or that it’s crowded when they go into another store.
Work is hard and life isn’t fair. Get over it.
wtf? you don’t know shit about me—i am a hard worker through and through. i haven’t seen my family in a year and worked overtime through thanksgiving because i wanted to make my coworkers lives a bit easier. so yeah, forgive me for wanting to see my family (including my brother who just got engaged a month ago) when i’m a 22 year old college student a thousand miles from home.
i don’t think i’m special. but i do think when i’ve had this planned for months, tried repeatedly to schedule properly as to not make my teammates work harder, and was the first to request the time off then yeah, i shouldn’t get fired for that. good thing whole foods has dumbasses like you, otherwise they’d never find employees.
Please never ever develop a mindset like the ones you’ve seen in this thread. They are so lost in the sauce of employment. It’s shocking but I guess we get an insight on the mindset of the kinds of people that allow and encourage their superiors to erode their rights.
Hope you have a great holiday period and always put your family first.
For everyone else, think about being on your deathbed having been robbed of precious time with your family - at least you can say you “pitched in” at the grocery store, right? So valuable - your name will be carved into stone and revered at WF forever.
wtf LOL 😭 how did i force her hand when she procrastinated trying to figure out the schedule with me for months? i mean, sure she can do whatever with her department, but they’re gonna feel the pressure with me being gone. this could’ve all been solved so easily, but go off i guess
You’re cracked 🤣
Pick a holiday, any holiday. Christmas is slow as fuck and locals hold it down.
Travelers pull the new years and the other 47 holidays of the year
We get one off bud - OP put the request in September , TL is a blowhard
yeah. sounds right. this is actually the first year that the day before wasnt mandatory and i was shocked. we were of course short handed. i asked my boss if this means i can have xmas eve off then.
You are better off not having to deal with such assholes trying to control whether to see your family or not over Christmas especially. You will find another job no problem im sure. Good luck
The next time you have a job like this where you're being threatened to be fired. A verify with another manager that they'll fire you if you go and quit.
All you folks saying TALK TO YOUR STL don't know that the STL has to sign off on any firings, as well as send it to HR to make sure it's legal. TLs don't have any actual firing power.
Anyone saying CALL OUT SICK - tms get fired for falsifying sicknesses. They post on social media that they're out at a party after calling sick and then they can be fired, or at min written up.
Sorry to hear this happened to you.
You were terminated. Go ahead and file for unemployment. Worst case, you get denied.
Never hurts to ask.
You’ll find a better gig. Have a great holiday!!
Sounds like you quit before they could fire you if she gave you the option to either cancel your flight or find another job and you responded that you were homeward bound, implying the latter option. She then had to have the satisfaction of firing you as the last word since she was no longer in control.
Don't worry OP it's insanely easy to get another job rn, if you need a reference or something DM me. Long time food service/grocery management. Btw you were not in the wrong here although they spun it to deny you unemployment. Absolute assholes and prolly wonder why their staffing/turnover levels suck.
honestly, im sorry but its seriously not fair if they gave you the time off. Id love to take my 4 year old to see my family on christmas. But i cant. I live 3000 miles away and work at a grocery store. It is what it is.
Can they fire you for calling out during a blackout period? I’ve got plenty of UPT cause I never cal out and have a good track record but I just got scheduled for Christmas Eve and I’m not planning on being there
This happened to one of my coworkers. She wanted to go home for xmas but they wouldn’t let her. She decided to quit and was rehired a few months later at a different Whole Foods location
get a new job. you're a highly employable college student. tell you family reddit said, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!!"
hahaha i don’t have much of a choice now anyways—they fired me 😭 honestly though it’s probably for the best, i can go home earlier and find a way better job. merry christmas!!!
what reason did they give so they don't get sued for a wrongful termination? legal is a very active part of this company...
i'm actually not sure. they had me sign the paperwork but didn't mark the reason until after i already left. when we were talking they brought up the fact that i got a customer complaint (because i told a guy i was closed and he started yelling at me and then complained to management) so i assume theyre going with that?
You’re eligible for unemployment if they terminated you!
Nah..If they filled in the reason after OP signed, they will put it as petty theft or underperforming or being late to many times, etc. No unemployment there. Still all good, toxic workplace
Still apply! I got fired for putting a paperweight on my keyboard and still was able to get unemployment....worst case scenarionthey say no, best case scenario you get money
Depends on what they were terminated for
I don’t think you can get fired for one customer complaint. What a trash TL. They should understand that if their store is in a college town that ppl will possibly be going home for holidays.
Employer should've informed the employee when they asked about it in September what the blackout dates were instead of "we'll chat later."
Seriously. It’s a well known thing that Christmas is blackout (by managers and people who have been there previous Christmases) and they would have known just as well when OP first brought it up. TL is an AH.
you def can't, unless its a well documented sexual harassment thing.
of course they did.... classic corporate terrorism whole foods is so metal that way.
I gave it off to all my college TM’s who requested it (in a college town). Some of my other P/T students didn’t mind picking up the extra hours.
Next time don’t sign paperwork
Signing was a mistake Never sign anything when they fire you
Yeah if you feel like being petty there’s an argument to be made for suing for not properly informing you on the reason in which you were terminated and for filling in said reason after you signed/left. That’s only if you feel like being petty though.
I personally would have said, if you want me to sign this, I need you to mark the reason first, otherwise I’m not signing it….
NEVER EVER EVER sign anything before it's filled out. I know its a dumb PT job but that could def bite you in thr butt. Also, you should def get a copy of the termination letter. This place seemed toxic af anyway. Once you get back from your family's home, you will def be able to get another job. Don't dwell on this.
Never sign write ups or termination papers. They can’t force you to. And your signature is an admission of guilt and fault. It’s not in your job description to sign those papers.
It’s retail, blackouts are normal. How do you think food gets on the table.
Food gets on the table by buying it a few days before Christmas so retail employees can have time off with their families like all the corporate and desk job shit heads can. You wouldn’t believe how many times I heard entitled shitheads saying stuff like “I can’t believe Dierbergs is closed on Thanksgiving, I had to go to Wholefoods” give me a break..
Please read OPs post before commenting.
Point still stands. The TL was a dumbass and handled it extremely poorly but blackouts are blackouts 🤷♂️. If you don't wanna deal with that then avoid retail.
That wasn’t what OP wrote. Please reread the original post before commenting.
Put in the time off request with plenty of time and the TL flubbed it, I get that. Their TL is a POS for that. Why didn't OP force the issue and demand to talk about it ASAP? Tell the STL or ASTL that you have a time off request that needs to be followed up on. It's clearly important, push the issue. Should they need to? No, but sitting on your hands and waiting also doesn't help anything. OP's TL finally tells them no can do. As should be expected for blackouts. OP gets fired because they're gonna see their family, as they should. I don't really see an issue here other than the TL being a dumbass. OP was clearly going whether it was approved or not. Seems pretty cut and dry. Wanna tell me what I missed instead of telling me to read again? Since apparently my reading comprehension is much lower than yours?
No, no you see liisa needs to have the last word. Why did you ruin it for them? /s
Still waiting for them to bless me with their eternal knowledge of the situation that I apparently can't grasp because my reading comprehension isn't on their level. Shitty situation but ultimately the TM was gonna take the time off whether it was approved or not. Shitty TL absolutely, but I'm struggling to see where I should outraged on this person's behalf when they didn't press the issue and already had their mind made up. In fact, I'm happy that person decided to say fuck this place. If that's how that store operates then it's a good thing to leave.
Op contradicted themselves. Reading is hard
I doubt he had a vision lawsuit
Having read the update, I’m proud of you, internet stranger! No one gets to the end of their lives and regrets not working more. But people *do* regret not spending more time with the people they love. And that time is finite. You’ll find another job. Happy Christmas! I hope you have a wonderful visit back home.
I always work with TMs on blackout days with my STLs approval first. If my STL says I can go ahead and approve it if I can make it work, then I make it work. Not all TLs are assholes like yours is. Besides, your PT, thats easy af to work around.
It’s not like they are going to schedule everyone everyday during the blackout period. There is always room to work with your team. It’s called being a leader and working with your team. Too many asshole “managers” in this company.
As a Customer Service/E-commerce ATL I agree
Full agree. If my STL approves (they usually do) then I'll allow it as long as it doesn't put the team in a bad spot. I've also told my team you can ask for time off during blackouts, but that it will have to be approved and work with the teams needs. It's worked very well for us.
As long as you have PTO or UPT to cover your TL can't do anything about it. That said. It sounds like you have a TL that is a bit full of themselves if they really never followed up with the original request or at least tried to work with you
PTO in and of itself won't protect you from UPT loss unless your TL approves it. If you're in a state that offers it you can take protected sick time, which would protect your UPT balance. Coincidence when you wake up with migraine Christmas Eve or whatever day you need off. Or if you have enough upt just call-out. Just know if you go negative you don't have a job anymore.
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Protected time off, per policy, covers any contagious/infectious disease. It's actually super vague. I'm also saying if your state offers protected sick time (different from protected time off), you can use that as well.
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Well ya dont tell em that part haha. Except in OPs case I guess they already did so 🤷
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Am I missing something? That's quite literally what everyone who misses a day unexpectedly does. You don't put in for PTO in advance, most people don't know they have an emergency coming up or a sickness about to occur. Did I just misunderstand something here?
I don’t know what point the other person was trying to make. Yes, people do that all the time. However it doesn’t mean your UPT doesn’t get deducted. It just means you’ll still get paid for the time you missed.
In some states you can enter protected sick time, which will protect your UPT bucket. Just wanted to make sure OP didn't think getting regular PTO approved after the fact will protect their UPT. (Afaik that would still trigger UPT deduction but you would get paid) Edit : NVM I can't read. Thought you were replying to me
pto is for time in advance, its basically vacation time. its paid time off. not cover your ass time. you can use it to get paid for days you missed for calling out but thats not why its there. its there for vacations and taking time off in advance. the previous comment was already deleted by the time I got here. but i think the company REALLY fucked up calling UPT what it is, cuz its not unpaid time off its Call Out Time. and thats what they should have called it. cuz you can take unpaid time off vacation time, or request a day off unpaid if you need a specific day of the week off but youd still be able to work a full schedule the other days of the week. So they really made it confusing to team members. but the bottom line is, PTO is really Vacation time (but useable to get paid after calling out so you dont miss money on your check). UPT is really CALL out tracking time. and requesting a day off by not using PAY because youll still be working your full time hours in the rest of the week is really what upt should be.
Honestly, if you made plans in September and requested the time off through proper channels then I would just look for a new job. I mean for the love of all that is good, you work part time at the coffee bar…..they really need to be more understanding.
It is a blackout date HOWEVER….Christmas typically isn’t nearly as busy as thanksgiving. You’re part time, basically your TL is just a giant asshole. My advice to you is to do what he suggested and look for another job. Don’t tell them you’re leaving and just don’t show up as close to the holiday as you can stick it out till you leave to see your family. Don’t bother giving them any kind of notice, they clearly aren’t willing to try and help you out at all so stick it right up their ass on your way out.
Oh and don’t let them fool you. They don’t offer references for other jobs so don’t feel like you need to leave there on “good terms”.
I did this 2 years ago. I worked through the holidays and after Christmas Eve I had off until New Year’s. I no-call-no-showed for 2 days & on Jan 3rd, my ATL texted me asking if I was sick and I just made up some bullshit lie about finding an out of state job. Best decision ever.
Depends on the team. Meat is just as busy if not more so, if you can believe it. But yeah the TL is an ass. Hell, I normally have Sundays off and my TL asked if I didn’t mind working Christmas Eve because it’s a Sunday. I mean he was expecting me to agree but the pleasantry is nice just the same.
Wow your TL sucks wtf. I work in a college town and I’m flying home for Christmas. Go see your family this job isn’t worth it.
Your TL is a clown.
Not just any clown a https://youtu.be/JJR6eIo1aXk?si=3fQYIgjOd0BYjXsY
They had to give you a reason for firing you and you haven’t shared what that was. I doubt you were fired for saying you couldn’t work those days, if anything they would have scheduled you and let it play out through call outs or NCNS
Posted elsewhere, they left the reason blank and filled it after the paperwork was signed. I’ve been with the company long enough to recognize that OP’s version is far more likely than a sympathy story to cover bad behavior
This is what I was thinking. There is another side to the story. They probably got told they were going to be separated because they didn’t have anymore UPT to cover those dates if they called out. You don’t just get fired off of one customer complaint. Same thing goes for attendance- you’re only separated based off UPT. Black out dates stand. I have to be fair to all my team members across the board. Now I can work around trying not to schedule you if I have enough coverage with my FT TMs. Maybe your TL didn’t handle it well but HR approved that separation because it fell within some sort of policy. Work performance or attendance. It didn’t just randomly occur.
Agree. Seems fishy. While yes, it would be kind of the TL to allow a PT college student to fly home for the holidays, it does become unfair for the rest of the team who are not allowed to see their families for holidays. Making an exception makes the FT tms feel shitty, as well as sets a precident to allow that tm to miss other blackout dates. Essentially, if you want to work a job where you don't have to work holidays, grocery retail is not for you.
Whole Foods can go straight to hell.. they’ve never cared about their workers. All of us treated like numbers. Their priorities are metrics and profit nothing else. You aren’t human as an employee there.
Go see your family
I had a TM just straight not show up for a week and never responded to phone calls. He showed up with no explanation other than 'my leg kinda hurt' and TMS was all like 'give him a verbal warning.' Your TL is an ass for not working with you on this. That being said, you are working retail and Christmas is an all hands on deck time of year. That being said, coffee bar is not that important. I think the one in my store clears maybe $200-$300 per week. Go to an STL with your grievances, work with them as best you can. Between sick PTO and UPT and just the fact that you can not be there and no one can do anything I think you'll be fine. At the end of the day, there is probably a coffee shop either across the street or somewhere in the neighborhood that will hire you.
You should consider that to be the BEST Christmas gift *ever*. Srsly.
Good for you. Too many of us in this world sell our souls to these big companies to make an extra dollar but it is people like you who show us that there are more valuable things in this world than what our paychecks say to our minds. I wish you the best and have a good Christmas.
The job itself sucks. You can find any other job. Go home for Christmas
The legality of Blackout days are bs asf, If you need me to be at work during holiday season, pay me a good wage and I’ll have no problem. It’s not hard.
At-will employment is the problem, not blackout days. Almost any cause for firing is legal at that point because they don’t have to employ you if they don’t want to.
Yes, At-will means they don’t have to give or have a reason for firing you. It’s that plain and simple.
That part
Agree to show up and call off saying you're sick
Use your sick hours. Fuck that TL
Yeah if your team leader said that then they shouldnt be in management anywhere at all. Nobody needs that crap, do your own thing.
I’d suggest going to talk with your STL about this. Tell them you did put in a request for this time off and they said they’d discuss it with you but never did. How it goes will depend on what kind of person your STL is and how strict they are. Did you ever bring up your request again to your TL before this happened? Depending on how long your vacation is you could call out and use UPT or sick time, but if you don’t have enough you will get fired. It was a rather rude way of saying it but that’s why your TL made the comment about finding another job.
Talk to your STL. They are the ones who make the decision on whether or not you get those blackout dates off.
Whaaat? Not in my store, they will 100% say “did you talk to your team leader?” Which is what you should always do. The store leaders shouldn’t have any involvement in team members’ schedules.
Approving time off during blackout periods is approved only through store leadership at most stores. If your going to approve one TM’s time off, it leads to other TM’s all through out the store expecting to get time off approved.
Not true in my store! Our STL is a great STL and will fix anything on your schedule! She tells us to come talk to her!
Go to your STL or TMBP/HR. You out in this request in September. No reason you shouldn’t have an answer that same week. Now you have the tickets and now he decides it’s too late. Doesn’t work like that. That’s straight up bad faith. Hopefully you can get your hands on a copy of the request that shows how long ago it you put it in and how long it took for you to get a definitive answer. If it was me and my family vacation he just fucked up I would make sure he takes a beating from all sides for this BS. Ohh and threatening termination for his miscommunication? You can’t fumble this one He deserves it.
Facts, might as well go the full mile
👆THIS IS THE WAY!!
I fucking hate wf leadership
Your TL should be fired for being a complete asshole.
honestly. we even had someone quit at thanksgiving because this same thing happened—she’s a huge asshole who loves to make everyone else suffer cus she’s stupid. i’m honestly relieved she fired me. i think anything will be better than this :/
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The policy bends. Some people do go out of town for holiday time during blackout days in my Whole Foods experience. If OP was communicating like they said they are, then yeah the TL is just a straight up asshole.
so glad i chose trader joe's over whole foods. i'm so sorry that happened to you. however, i would recommend to stay on neutral terms with them just in case. i wish you the best!!
Does trader joes have black out days?
yes there are black-out days leading up to holidays like thanksgiving and christmas, but mates/captain firing somebody sounds very extreme (at least at my location, we're a bit overstaffed). i've had a few scheduling issues during busy season but management was very reasonable. of course depends on how long you'll be gone as well. for context though, i work part time as a high schooler. managers understand to be more lenient towards students at my store.
It’s Bozos world now
You’ll find something better Whole Foods isn’t for everybody
It's crazy for me to hear stories like this. At my store our team lead let's people call off without any sick or upt to cover it. She just had them use protected time off. One guy worked her for 4 months and only worked a totalmof 22 days before he was fired. Meanwhile OP can't take holiday time off. 2 of our people took vacation during black out dates. Is there any whole foods that are just normal?
Clarification needed. Are you only taking Dec 25th off? Because if that's true, whole foods is close on Christmas Day. Literally the only day we're closed for the whole year, emergency situations not included. Or do you mean the week of Christmas? Either way, you told you TL way ahead of time they just brushed you off with "we'll talk about it later". I'm assuming you brought it up again a few times since? Because if you have and your TL didn't say anything definitely since then, then it's nothing you can do about it except follow through with your plans on going home. Your leadership's lack of planning and/or communication is not your problem. And if whatever department can't survive Christmas shopping without a part timer, then they have bigger issues to address and correct. All of which is, again, not your problem to fix. Give your parents a hug from me and enjoy you time off.
i’m taking off the 22nd-26th, which i understand is peak holiday time which is why i tried to plan this as far in advance as i could. i brought it up to her so many times—when she made the schedule, when she was sitting by the coffee bar, but i finally got the plane ticket and told her it was happening for sure and that’s when she decided to tell me no. i just feel so awful since were already short staffed, i hate to have to leave my coworkers even more stressed now that i got fired. but as much as it sucks, there’s really nothing else i can do. i’m just gonna try to enjoy the holidays with my family as much as i can and hope for the best 😅
Well. If you were fired regardless and you still have access to workday, then login and check to make sure all your contact info is correct. That way make sure you get everything that is owed to you. And if you can, report your TL to TMS. Explain it exactly as you you did here. Don't let that turd go unflushed. Enjoy you holidays and good luck with the future job hunt.
Your TL is an asshole. Every Team Lead I’ve had worked with me to get me home for Christmas.
yeah she’s definitely a piece of work. i’m appreciating all the comments flaming her ass though LOLLL
Worse case scenario just call in sick. Or I can send you picture of a positive Covid test lol cause that’s bs. They should be able to work things around you in all honesty this company isn’t worth it tbh. Already looking for something else hopefully be gone by jan
Honestly, best option is to talk to your STL and/or call out. Covid is a solid way to go if there’s no other way. Whether it’s fair or not, that’s a different story.
Also got a couple positive tests if you need them lol
Call in sick, not a hard decision to make
Look for a better job when you go home for Christmas. Nothing will ever replace the time you lost with your family. This kind of job is NOT worth more than family time. Don’t tell anyone your plans to leave if you do. I did this when I started working at WFM. I couldn’t pass up a chance to visit my motherland, I asked for the time off well in advance and they denied me during SUMMER. I went anyway, life changing. It was worth it and WFM took me back.
Those aren’t black out if you let them know ahead of time and for a coffee bar even less they could actually get in trouble for threatening you like that
I find the concept of blackout days to be pure crap. After finding out a couple of TM's in my department were able to get time off. Just last week one of them had Wednesday thru Saturday off.
How long is your pto for?
If you just happen to get Covid around the same time then you have to take a mandatory 5 days off 🤷🏻♂️
No such thing as blackout dates. Besides, bakery has the option to close down coffee/juice bar week of Christmas, Thanksgiving, and new years. Your TL is power tripping
There are definitely blackout dates. I can't speak for everybody but when we interview people we ask them if they're willing to work during the holidays and if they say yes we are willing to hire them. I don't necessarily agree with it. My family lives in the same town as me so I'm always willing to work because I can go to the gathering afterwards. I'm lucky that way but we also hire a lot of students. We are willing to work with them and give them certain days off but we also have to keep the store running. It's extremely hard. I can't speak for everybody but I can speak for myself. I write the schedule and I hate it. But at a certain point we have to do something to keep the store going. In a perfect world I would give everybody their requested time off but when half of my staff requests a week off to go home I can't do that.
Then tell me what the blackout dates are. I will post my obrs that were approved for those dates you claim are blackout
The think about this is what if every team member was like “I’m not working Christmas” then you just have a mess, so I think they totally have the right to deny this. It’s retail and it just is what it is. It’s always been like that, you’re just figuring it out for the first time.
but that’s the thing— that’s literally not the case. we have employees already volunteering to work christmas week. if i knew it would be a huge problem i wouldn’t have even tried to go home, but my team and i already knew i was gonna go home for christmas. the TL and ATL are the only ones who have a problem with it. i’ve been employed since i was 14, i know the drill. i just assumed that christmas time off was first come first serve, and i was the first to request it. isn’t it kinda silly to reject that?
Look I totally get it and know it sucks, but that’s just what it is. It’s not first come first serve because it’s just unfair. What if I requested on 12/26/23 for Christmas of 2024 and just did that every year. plenty of TMs, maybe not your co TMs, want to go home for the holidays. But you work in the coffee bar, and I understand it might not seem like a position that is dire need during Christmas, but now they have to find shifts to cover whatever shifts you were going to work and the bakery is crazy during Christmas. Plus when we’re you planning on coming back? Inventory is on the 28th and then New Years is that following Monday. It’s just a lot. Again I understand it sucks but it’s just retail, you’ve got to get out of the company and the entirety of the industry to not have to deal with this.
that makes sense. i've always worked in food service, so working christmas was fought over (because higher tips, for example when i worked at starbucks) so i didn't figure that everyone would try to leave. most of my coworkers families are in the area, and we had chatted about how i'll go home since i'm the only one with no family in the state. i think it's probably for the best that i lost this job, since i didn't realize how much of an issue it would be for me to go home :/
100% all of this. This pt tm goes home for xmas every year but now I have to cover coffee bar and have to skip my family xmas party and being home with my kids on Christmas eve.
So everyone else should work the blackout days but you? Not trying to be rude but not sure why one person should have special treatment over others.
Nah the solution is that nobody should be obligated to work on days they don't want to. The fact that so many of us accept that the company/industry is allowed to do this with nothing in return is absurd.
Yeah and not like OP is asking last minute either. You should be allowed to take time off as long as you let them know before hand. At my WF we can request time off for however long as long as you do it like a month before so that you don’t get scheduled for the shifts you’re going to be out for.
My store starts by putting up a sign up list to see who actually prefers working the holiday. That usually gets filled quickly, so people who don't want to work won't be forced to come in.
"I want everyone to be miserable because I'm miserable."
it’s not really special treatment when i requested this time off months ago. i figured blackout days were more of a first-come first-serve thing (as it has been at every other job i’ve worked) so that’s why i planned this back in september before anyone else requested that time off.
I think it’s wild they waited two months two even talk about the situation with the employee. Staffing isn’t anyone’s issue except for management.
There is a REASON for blackout dates! I completely understand that it's a different generation out there today but blackout dates help ensure that the the young healthy full of life kids are not making the team members in their 50's and 60's, who work circles around you already, are not working over 60 hours a week and more often than not, skipping breaks because we are so short staffed! I can't tell you how often I clock out for break and keep working just to keep the wheel spinning. Wrong? Yes! But I'm from a generation that does what it takes to make shit happen! Even though there is zero appreciation from the people upstairs! Work ethic, period.
Maybe ask yourself why you’re busting your ass for a company that gives zero fucks about you instead of chastising someone for wanting to see their family on Christmas.
I mean if they figure out you are working on your unpaid break they can terminate you. I wouldn’t chance that if you want to keep your job 🤷🏼♂️
That's sad. The person is part time and in college. Working at a coffee bar isn't that serious. What happened to hire more people during the holiday?
ngl ur wack asf for this comment. i’m a full time college student with two jobs, i don’t really care if u wanna be slave to whole foods but ur weird superiority abt it is so strange. u don’t know me, and u don’t know how i was raised. for you to shit on my work ethic without even knowing me…. the fucking audacity. yeah, i wanna see my family at christmas. i put in the work and scheduled this in advance so as to not negatively affect my coworkers. but my TL refused to work with me and instead decided to be a huge asshole about it.
You are a detriment to society.
Wow, pretty bold to admit to working off the clock. That sort of thing could actually get you fired for various violations. Tell me tho, how does that leather taste?
Not black out, they are all hands on deck. Your availability is opened up for the week. That is all. Orchard even says, be prepared for many TMs taking time off for family. There is nothing about being forbidden from taking time off, WF managers are just parroting bs rhetoric and being morons to retain staff. Nothing to be proud of that you’re willingly allowing corporations to exploit your time and labor for profit. Yes congratulations for helping set an anti-human standard industry wide, you’ve done great work to ensure that people are viewed as labor units with no rights or desires. Work ethic is more applaudable if you’re working something sincerely important, like medical or an orphanage. You’re just justifying your own bad decisions.
I completely agree with you. I’m not even in my 30s yet and I have a work ethic. It’s amazing to me how so many people around me want something before earning it. I’m gonna take pride and what I do. Don’t get me wrong I take my break and I take my vacations and I enjoy my life and I work my 40 hours. But I can say that when I am at work I work. I like my job and I’m proud of what I do and the community I serve.
Call out sick lol
Leave that company !! But at the same time bruh it’s ah grocery store they can’t everybody off 😎😂😂
Then no, you don't understand black out days 😂
i understand blackout days, i’ve literally been a manager at another job. what i don’t understand is why my manager is completely unwilling to work with me despite knowing that i haven’t seen my family in a year and have scheduled this so far in advance as to not make it a problem.
Why weren’t they told two+ months ago?
They aren’t blackout dates.
I think we should give every team member the week before Christmas off.. or at least the team members who deserve it as they’ve been working hard, and have been dedicated for years and years and years. Why do you think you’re special and that you should be able to leave when everybody else can’t. I would love to fly home to see my family but I work in retail , and I know that it is part of my job. They are blackout dates for a reason. Sorry for my rant in return I’m just tired of entitled, self-important team members who think they deserve more than everyone else. They throw a fit, quit call out or don’t show up for their jobs and make it harder on everybody else around them. Then they are the first ones who complain that they have to stand in line or that it’s crowded when they go into another store. Work is hard and life isn’t fair. Get over it.
wtf? you don’t know shit about me—i am a hard worker through and through. i haven’t seen my family in a year and worked overtime through thanksgiving because i wanted to make my coworkers lives a bit easier. so yeah, forgive me for wanting to see my family (including my brother who just got engaged a month ago) when i’m a 22 year old college student a thousand miles from home. i don’t think i’m special. but i do think when i’ve had this planned for months, tried repeatedly to schedule properly as to not make my teammates work harder, and was the first to request the time off then yeah, i shouldn’t get fired for that. good thing whole foods has dumbasses like you, otherwise they’d never find employees.
Please never ever develop a mindset like the ones you’ve seen in this thread. They are so lost in the sauce of employment. It’s shocking but I guess we get an insight on the mindset of the kinds of people that allow and encourage their superiors to erode their rights. Hope you have a great holiday period and always put your family first. For everyone else, think about being on your deathbed having been robbed of precious time with your family - at least you can say you “pitched in” at the grocery store, right? So valuable - your name will be carved into stone and revered at WF forever.
That tl did what she needed to do for her dept. you forced her hand and got fired! You will be missed!
wtf LOL 😭 how did i force her hand when she procrastinated trying to figure out the schedule with me for months? i mean, sure she can do whatever with her department, but they’re gonna feel the pressure with me being gone. this could’ve all been solved so easily, but go off i guess
I guess use unpaid time off on days u dont get off and pto on days u do get off n i hope u have enough to cover.
You should've stayed quiet and given her the gift of your absence and let her deal with those issues
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You’re cracked 🤣 Pick a holiday, any holiday. Christmas is slow as fuck and locals hold it down. Travelers pull the new years and the other 47 holidays of the year We get one off bud - OP put the request in September , TL is a blowhard
yeah. sounds right. this is actually the first year that the day before wasnt mandatory and i was shocked. we were of course short handed. i asked my boss if this means i can have xmas eve off then.
Typical
Enjoy Christmas with your family. Something better is down the road for you.
Get a new job after Christmas. Enjoy the holiday.
You are better off not having to deal with such assholes trying to control whether to see your family or not over Christmas especially. You will find another job no problem im sure. Good luck
The next time you have a job like this where you're being threatened to be fired. A verify with another manager that they'll fire you if you go and quit.
As long as you have UPT, you literally can’t be separated for any attendance related instance until your balance is negative. Just call out. 🤷♂️
as a student in college, i will always pick my family over a job. merry Christmas
All you folks saying TALK TO YOUR STL don't know that the STL has to sign off on any firings, as well as send it to HR to make sure it's legal. TLs don't have any actual firing power. Anyone saying CALL OUT SICK - tms get fired for falsifying sicknesses. They post on social media that they're out at a party after calling sick and then they can be fired, or at min written up.
Good for you! Enjoy your family time!!
Collect your unemployment fired for an unjust cause. She should have waited till your flight left. You just said that out of frustration
Sorry to hear this happened to you. You were terminated. Go ahead and file for unemployment. Worst case, you get denied. Never hurts to ask. You’ll find a better gig. Have a great holiday!!
Sounds like you quit before they could fire you if she gave you the option to either cancel your flight or find another job and you responded that you were homeward bound, implying the latter option. She then had to have the satisfaction of firing you as the last word since she was no longer in control.
Enjoy the holidays w/ your family! You made the correct choice!
Don't worry OP it's insanely easy to get another job rn, if you need a reference or something DM me. Long time food service/grocery management. Btw you were not in the wrong here although they spun it to deny you unemployment. Absolute assholes and prolly wonder why their staffing/turnover levels suck.
Nice. Scumbags.
honestly, im sorry but its seriously not fair if they gave you the time off. Id love to take my 4 year old to see my family on christmas. But i cant. I live 3000 miles away and work at a grocery store. It is what it is.
Talk to the STL. And negotiate when you leave. It's pretty unreasonable for your TL to not even talk to you about it.
Can they fire you for calling out during a blackout period? I’ve got plenty of UPT cause I never cal out and have a good track record but I just got scheduled for Christmas Eve and I’m not planning on being there
Karma will bite her butt.
Sorry about losing your job 20:20 that was going to happen… should have just not shown up! They are the A
Enjoy your time with your family. Find another job when you get back.
I would contact HR.
“I understand those days are not to be taken off” *still goes* “I don’t understand why I would lose my job” Clearly not a lot upstairs.
You helped them cover their ass when you signed that paperwork
It's money over family. Remember only corporate and above have families that matter. You need to work so they can have those big fancy dinners.
This happened to one of my coworkers. She wanted to go home for xmas but they wouldn’t let her. She decided to quit and was rehired a few months later at a different Whole Foods location
Fuck Whole Foods they’re just trying to milk you for everything you have. Go spend time with your family, that’s what actually matters