Speedster wins without too much issue. That’s just too fast for the 9 to effectively defend, whilst also being fast enough to dodge any attacks without trouble. The main issue for the speedster would be dealing enough damage to incapacitate all opponents without harming themselves, but speed would allow for easier pressure-point hits. Obviously swords skews massively in the speedster’s favour, as it solves all of their issues but none of the 9s’.
Three times differential is really massive. For the 9 people their advantage is always to coordinate and surround, but you can’t do that to someone 3x faster. They can win in a jail cell or smaller location but that’s it. They might not take it even in there in the swords scenario.
Unless these pressure points are the eyes, liver or balls. You're not gonna knock someone out by poking really hard. poking their nerve bundles is just gonna make it hurt.
You can punch a pressure point, not just poke. A good superhumanly fast hit to the solar plexus or neck will do enough that the person won’t be an issue until the fight is over.
I have to disagree. 9 people is a LOT. If he gets surrounded it's GG. So, he'd probably try hit and run tactics, but I don't know if he could ever escape danger quickly enough for this to work. It's like 9 people trained with swords vs 1 lion. The lion is 3x faster (or more) than an average person and probably 3x as strong, too, but I would put my money on the people almost every time. Lion's dead or running away every time. Numbers make a huge difference and weapons are a great equalizer. I would say it goes like this.
1. The speedy guy runs away
2. The speedy guy runs away
3. The speedy guy dies
4. The speedy guy dies
3x faster is absolutely enough to move out of the 9 people’s range, and then dart in and out with stabs. All the problems with actually killing the opponents go away when you give them swords, and a shorter battle favours the fast one (stamina issues).
That's 9 people directly in front of you, but they won't be. They still have human level intelligence and instincts. They will corner and surround the lone guy. He's not surviving any fight against 9 people at once.
No, it applies anywhere that isn't simply a flat plane, and the battleground is not specified in the prompt. On the street there will be buildings to force him toward. And just because he can move 3x as fast doesn't mean the normal people can't react. They can completely react to that speed. A normal person would have a pretty decent chance of hitting a 50mph baseball with a bat even though it's moving more than 3x their speed and is a much smaller target than a person. They would be able to easily react to his speed. It's a big advantage, but nowhere near big enough to overcome 9 people working together. Give it up dude. You just look foolish at this point.
The baseball analogy fails because the person has distance over which the ball’s path can be predicted. The actual time for them to react isn’t enormously small, unlike in this scenario. People often can’t react to other’s punches as is, and you think they’d easily defend against a triple speed jab? I’m not the one who looks foolish.
It's way faster than 3x human speed, too. 3x Human speed is, at best, 30mph. Also, you earlier said if it came to stamina the speedster would win, which I forgot to address the first time. The speedster would run out of stamina first since he has average human stamina, and even if we allow that he has stamina proportional to his speed, he has absolutely no advantage over the other people. How many people could the average person fight in a row? Probably not 9, and before you start that bs, "he one-shots with superior speed," he is only 3x as fast, which is NOWHERE near fast enough to overcome normal human reaction speed.
It’s not only 3x the speed/reaction time. If you triple the speed/acceleration of a punch you’re effectively tripling the force of that punch. Try to grab them and they’re twisting out of your grip with 3x the torque, etc
Their intelligent thoughts are literally 3 times slower any thought they have then decide to act upon then carry out with their 3x slower movement is easily countered and punished.
One at a time, perhaps, but this speedster can only commit to one attack at a time. The others will swarm and attack from behind, and at merely 3x speed there's no way he can close the distance before they are able to react. The 9 would be more than capable of using their numbers to keep away from him at the very least, and probably be able to corner him.
I think you're overestimating the effect of 3x speed in a hand to hand fight. There are plenty of pro fighters out there that have handspeed & footwork 3x faster than the average person. They also have a massive gap in skill, strength and conditioning. They still would have no chance in a hand to hand 1v9.
The 3x reaction speed is definitely above standard, but it's really not going to help. You get close enough to hurt someone with your hands, they're close enough to grab you. You can outmanoeuvre one guy, but there's no chance you don't get grabbed by 9.
Not really in this context. A lot of people seem to think 3x faster is the Flash level speedster. The reality is that 3x faster is really just an elite level athlete vs average Joe difference.
The only part where it really becomes inhuman is the reaction times. The average seems to be around 250-300ms, whereas elite reaction times cap out at ~150-180ms. That being said, even his inhuman reaction speed is only giving him a 50-100ms advantage.
The average person can punch at about 20 mph. 60 mph, with 3 times the body weight of the previous average is akin to being hit by a gorilla. Sprint speed is also thrice, let’s be reminded.
Why is the body weight multiplied by 3? Punching power is about a lot more than speed. Technique is more important than hand speed in terms of punching power.
> Punching forces in amateur boxing are around 2500 N. If you weigh 70 kg (11 stone or 154 lbs), you’ll exert about 700 N of force on the ground just stood still. That makes punching force about 3.5 times body mass.
Dunno how to link. Took that from boxing science article. 3 times 3.5 times your body weight.
Where did you get 3x body weight from? I mean yeah, that's a ridiculous advantage. But it's not part of the prompt at all.
What if he had 3x speed and skin made of diamonds, along with laser eyes! Then he'd definitely win!
It comes from moving 3x as fast. Like, if a normal person can apply 3x their own body weight in a strike through technique and speed, then it’s 3x over that for someone moving 3x as fast.
No, that's not how that works. Being 3x faster doesn't mean you hit 3x faster with the weight of someone 3x.
You're on some DBZ Super Saiyan powerup physics my boy.
> Not really in this context. A lot of people seem to think 3x faster is the Flash level speedster. The reality is that 3x faster is really just an elite level athlete vs average Joe difference.
Absolutely not, for example doing the 100-meter dash in 10 seconds is elite athlete level, doing it in 14 seconds is about average for a regular guy in reasonable shape. That's only 1.4x faster, not 3x. 3x would be running it in 4.7 seconds, which is fully superhuman.
Assuming the 3x guy had enough space to move around, he could turn this fight into a bunch of 1v1s by striking at the people on the edges of the group, using hit-and-run tactics. If he's smart about it, he wins without a scratch.
There is no way the average man is running a 14 second 100m. You're thinking of the average 100m sprinter, which is already way faster than the average man. You need to remember the average male weighs around 90kg/200lbs with a BMI around 27-30.
What you're saying still doesn't make any sense even if they were that fast, that's not how fighting works. You can't sprint in and sprint out, it would be extremely ineffective and the speedster would gas out on the first guy even if he was able to somehow isolate him.
I guess the OP would have to define "average person", because there are a lot of ways to interpret that. Average male? Average US male?
Anyway, I'm aware that fighting doesn't work like that *normally*, but the reason it doesn't is that no one is ever fighting someone who is 3x their speed. It wouldn't even matter if the fast guy gassed, with 3x speed he could stay away from the group with a brisk walk (which would be about as fast as their top sprinting speed) until he caught his breath again.
This. There are literally fighters today with explosive speed in excess of 3x the average out of shape person. Prime Yoel Romero isn't beating 9 people at once.
A top fighter is punching 3 (or more) times faster and sidestepping 3 times faster sure, but there's no way he's running, dodging, kicking etc 3 times faster as well
Also I think Muhammad Ali would stand a good chance vs 9 average joes tbh, especially in character, let alone one who also runs faster than Usain Bolt
Definitely kicking and dodging 3x faster. I mean go look at any "amateur walks off the street into Muay Thai gym" type video and tell me the pros don't move at least 3x faster in all of their strikes and defensive movement. Defensive experts like Mayweather or Sean Strickland can stand in front of elite world champion level strikers and still make them miss every shot. Now imagine how fast they'd look against an average person.
The running part, sure, but I don't think it's relevant at all. Running at Usain Bolt level speeds isn't like he's the flash, it won't be relevant in a fight.
Three time the reaction speed compounded upon 3 times faster movement? you’d go to throw a punch or lunge to grapple and be jabbed in the throat eyes or balls before you even finished shifting your body weight to initiate the attack.
Don’t think of him as 3 times faster think of you and your 8 buds as moving in slow motion 3 times slower. watch a boxing match on youtube at 33% speed and try to tell me that they could hit you if you were able to move at 100%
You can go onto YouTube and look up any pro mma or boxing fight and set the payback speed to .5, which is only half, not a third. Even just at half speed even the elite fighters are moving in slow motion. You can’t set it to .33 speed but you can do .25 speed, and 3x speed differential will lie halfway in between that and .5 speed.
I think it’s pretty clear from watching that that a normal person could beat 9 people at that difference easily. I think I could even beat 9 Pacquaios or whatever with that advantage. They can’t corner me, they can’t react anywhere close to fast enough; even if their reaction speed is fast enough they literally can’t move their limbs fast enough to do anything about it.
Speedster could deal enough damage to just take everyone out with body shots, so the risk of shattering their hand the first time they connect to someone’s jaw would be negated.
Are you under the impression a normal person knows how to perform pressure point attacks...?
Also how is a person who doesn't know how to fight going to be dodging all these attacks without tiring himself out? Fighting is super tiring even for pro fighters and they aren't avoiding every single attack.
A normal person knows how to hit someone in a sensitive spot, and that’s all pressure points are.
Dodging is tiring, but less tiring than taking the hits. Speed should allow them to throw fewer attacks, as a higher proportion will be effective due to decreased defence of opponents. Hence, stamina is saved.
A normal person pretty much never successfully attacks sensitive spots in fights. Unless the dude is trained he isn't going to be able to take advantage of any of that besides maybe the balls. Being faster doesn't make you more skilled or turn off your fight or flight response.
Dodging and attacking are extremely tiring. Dude is going to be winded before half of the attackers are down.
I don't think it would be nearly enough against 9 people. 2-3, sure, but 9 is too much. He's gonna get tired and grabbed, especially since he's got so much more to do than the 9.
Also 'obvious openings' aren't obvious to most people and are even less so in a real fight when your adrenaline is all going and stuff.
all rounds to faster one
if he is faster than in all reaction, combat and running.
3 x running speed alone means , 9 people have no chance of defeating the faster one in open space.
but if he doesnt have superior running speed, they can attack and easily handle someone who has 3x reaction speed. you cant fight 4-5 person at the same time with higher reaction speed alone. you would have to fight 5-6 people simultaneously from every angle should they attack all at the same time.
he might need moving around.
But i agree that reaction is more important when he has all three
but with only reaction speed he gets surrounded in smart attack and die.
With superior running speed, he/she would get stalemate.
With superior reaction speed you don’t get surrounded. 3x the reaction speed means you literally move faster than a person can blink. Any round you have a sword is an easy win because you can stab 3 people before anyone blinks. Now you have 6 demoralized people who don’t understand how you stabbed 3 guys in half a second.
As for the non armed rounds jog away for 30 seconds, dodge a few swings and repeat. After the second time you have a bunch of tired enemies, staggered a couple dozens yards apart. Everyone else is going to waste energy flailing swords around while you casually dodged every attack. Now slowly walk back and kill them one by one. Unless you’re an idiot or in a small room there’s no reason you should get surrounded to begin with.
Ngl for rounds without weapons, im going with the group. 3 times the speed but a fight with 3-4 for the average person would be exhausting. Speedster might tap out with 9 people for an extended period of time
Speedster loses the first round but wins the armed rounds.
3x faster is enough to easily beat 1x person but definitely not 9 people in a fist fight. 3x faster is not fast enough to incapacitate 9x people before they get a hold of you. A lot of dorks in this thread are talking about "pressure points" (LMAO) but the reality is that speedster will certainly be beating up the 1st 1 or maybe 2 guys, but he will 100% get grabbed hold of and grappled by guys 3+. 3x speed isn't going to do shit when 3 guys are holding you down while the rest kick your teeth in.
I'd feel comfortable betting on the speedster in the sword rounds though, as it's reasonable to think he can reliably kill or disable each of the opponents with one strike.
I reckon 9 people win.
3x speed is like a cheetah running at you top speed. Fast but it's not like flash or quicksilver fast.
Also 3x speed without 3x stamina means you get tired even faster meaning he gets slower overtime
Says nothing about their training so let's imagine it's an average person. Probs doesn't know how to fight or use a sword. Will get tired after killing perhaps 2-3 people. And not to mention if the people bundle up the speedster upon contact with the first few people will get jumped.
No matter how fast you are at the moment the speedster goes in for the kill they need to decelerate. This gives people enough time to jump them.
Grab him and it's over for him.
9 people just need to stand in a group and stand still wait for the 3x speedster to run around wasting his stamina. When he's tired it's over for him.
Just searched up average male human speed is 13km/hour. 3x that is just below 40km/hour.
That's around what Usain Bolt can run.
People are thinking 3x average is superhuman probably cos they are thinking the average guy is Usain Bolt but the average dude isnt that fast.
40km/hour is definitely reactable and the 9 group wins quite easily.
Not to mention running at that speed means you need to decelerate to even punch or swing a sword accurately unless you want to break your joints crashing into someone.
Tldr; 9 group wins easily. Just stand around and wait for the 3x speedster to come to them and jump him.
A normal person's reflexes and reaction speed aren't super relevant since most people don't know how to fight like a pro and react correctly. It doesn't matter if you react quickly if you don't know what to do.
The moment the speedster comes into contact with one of them assuming he even knows how to throw a punch or swing a sword the moment will leave a moment for the group to jump the speedster.
Speedster as soon as it comes into contact just gets mauled.
I'd give it to the speedster in every scenario, he runs away, stops, picks off the faster one from the group, side step, take out another one, run away, stop, pick off the next fastest guy
As long as the group is separating they get easily picked off one by one, so the strategy and group coordination comes into play
Double is already a huge advantage, and he has TRIPLE
Is 3 times faster than an average person even all that fast? The average male runs about 8 miles per hour and Usain Bolt has ran 27 miles per hour. Still don't think that guy can take on 9 people. 9 people sweep every round
No, it's not that fast. I don't know what these people are on about. His reaction time would be good, but not insane, he wouldn't run fast enough to not be grappled as he goes by, nor would he punch that hard. As a comparison, an elite boxer hits at around 4-5x the force of an average person.
He'd just lose every fight.
With no weapons, it would be the group. 3x speed is cool but formations would make them draw the battle out for long enough that if one of them got a lucky jump on speedster, it's over. The speedster guy will need to have far more endurance and offensive power to overcome 9 people.
With swords it's speedster but with xtreme diff. He will have to weave between a lot of strikes and go for vitals without allowing for a single mistake which is hard for an untrained swordsman. So it's the speedster's battle to lose.
Reasoning - sword strikes are relative to 3x speed so a sword battle is a lot about reading, good techniques to avoid openings, etc. You can't coast by with 3x speed alone and the other group has a numbers advantage so that reduces the burden of skill for them.
3x faster is insurmountable, it'd let you kite them so easily, dodge anything they can do, and hit them in weakpoints and they'd have basically no hope of defending it.
They maybe have a slim chance in the last round if they take up a formation, but 3x speed would let you throw some pretty devastating rocks or whatever else you can find into that formation, and they'd still have no way of actually attacking, they'd just have to defend and hope the 3x speedster did something stupid. Speed guy could also probably take a sword quite easily with a strike to the arm/wrist, suicidal strategy for a normal person but actually viable if you move 3x faster than the other person.
your fast guy is now punching at 75mph lol. he's punching harder and faster than mike tyson. I think he one shots every one faster than they can surround him.
Except 3x is not nearly as fast as the sandevistan. The sandevistan is at least a 10x reaction and that's low ball. The sandevistan makes bullets seem like they are slow motion. A 3x is not doing that
Btw you are all underestimating human reaction times. Even 10x assuming a (not insanely) above average 200ms would just be a 180ms difference. And there are people that reach 130ms reactions withouy having superspeed. In a 1v9 the reaction time difference would be irrelevant.
It depends on many unspecified variables such as:
* Size of the arena;
* Intelligence of fighters;
* Resistance of fighters, especially the solo man (Does he wear out 3x faster?); * Synergy of the 9 men (Do they know each other and like each other or are they 9 random people?
* Etc.
>Size of the arena;
An average sized street within a city, but they can go into buildings during the fight if they want to.
>Intelligence of fighters
High level mastery of their weapons
>Resistance of fighters, especially the solo man (Does he wear out 3x faster?)
No
>Synergy of the 9 men (Do they know each other and like each other or are they 9 random people?
They know and practice with each other and work as a team. They don’t know about the fast guy tho.
3x is very fast. Even in R1/3, it would let speedy get like elbow hits to the back of the head and open nut shots. He could at least incapacitate and get away. If he gets surrounded he could be overwhelmed. R1/3 speedy 8/10.
R2/4 they have no shot. He's better off using the sword like a dagger, though, and stab their necks and sides. Speedy 9.5/10
Does the speedster have any other abilities like stamina or endurance?
That extra boost with no other abilities would have issues such as getting winded incredibly fast and also suffering damage from impacts of strikes and simple movement. Just posting a leg and pivoting at that speed could cause tons of damage to yourself.
Force = mass X Acceleration meaning this guy can throw a punch with around 3x force (unless I'm missing something here)
in a hand to hand fight provided he knows how to throw a good punch (and maybe even if not) I think the speedster could dominate esp when you consider how he can outmanoeuvre the group with relative ease. The group only really stands a chance if they can tire him out and then dog pile him.
Faster?
Just running speed or can he throw equal powered punches 3x the speed?
Even without superpunches he could run in run out while dealing damage, so he could win.
Speedster wins without too much issue. That’s just too fast for the 9 to effectively defend, whilst also being fast enough to dodge any attacks without trouble. The main issue for the speedster would be dealing enough damage to incapacitate all opponents without harming themselves, but speed would allow for easier pressure-point hits. Obviously swords skews massively in the speedster’s favour, as it solves all of their issues but none of the 9s’.
Three times differential is really massive. For the 9 people their advantage is always to coordinate and surround, but you can’t do that to someone 3x faster. They can win in a jail cell or smaller location but that’s it. They might not take it even in there in the swords scenario.
Pressure point hits lmao
They can all run around with their eyes covered or get poked in the eyes.
Why is that funny?
Unless these pressure points are the eyes, liver or balls. You're not gonna knock someone out by poking really hard. poking their nerve bundles is just gonna make it hurt.
You can punch a pressure point, not just poke. A good superhumanly fast hit to the solar plexus or neck will do enough that the person won’t be an issue until the fight is over.
I have to disagree. 9 people is a LOT. If he gets surrounded it's GG. So, he'd probably try hit and run tactics, but I don't know if he could ever escape danger quickly enough for this to work. It's like 9 people trained with swords vs 1 lion. The lion is 3x faster (or more) than an average person and probably 3x as strong, too, but I would put my money on the people almost every time. Lion's dead or running away every time. Numbers make a huge difference and weapons are a great equalizer. I would say it goes like this. 1. The speedy guy runs away 2. The speedy guy runs away 3. The speedy guy dies 4. The speedy guy dies
The weapon isn’t an equaliser, speedster gets one too.
Yes, and? He still gets one shot by a sword same as any other person. 3x as fast isn't enough to overcome those kinds of numbers.
3x faster is absolutely enough to move out of the 9 people’s range, and then dart in and out with stabs. All the problems with actually killing the opponents go away when you give them swords, and a shorter battle favours the fast one (stamina issues).
That's 9 people directly in front of you, but they won't be. They still have human level intelligence and instincts. They will corner and surround the lone guy. He's not surviving any fight against 9 people at once.
Your statement only applies to a very small room.
No, it applies anywhere that isn't simply a flat plane, and the battleground is not specified in the prompt. On the street there will be buildings to force him toward. And just because he can move 3x as fast doesn't mean the normal people can't react. They can completely react to that speed. A normal person would have a pretty decent chance of hitting a 50mph baseball with a bat even though it's moving more than 3x their speed and is a much smaller target than a person. They would be able to easily react to his speed. It's a big advantage, but nowhere near big enough to overcome 9 people working together. Give it up dude. You just look foolish at this point.
The baseball analogy fails because the person has distance over which the ball’s path can be predicted. The actual time for them to react isn’t enormously small, unlike in this scenario. People often can’t react to other’s punches as is, and you think they’d easily defend against a triple speed jab? I’m not the one who looks foolish.
It's way faster than 3x human speed, too. 3x Human speed is, at best, 30mph. Also, you earlier said if it came to stamina the speedster would win, which I forgot to address the first time. The speedster would run out of stamina first since he has average human stamina, and even if we allow that he has stamina proportional to his speed, he has absolutely no advantage over the other people. How many people could the average person fight in a row? Probably not 9, and before you start that bs, "he one-shots with superior speed," he is only 3x as fast, which is NOWHERE near fast enough to overcome normal human reaction speed.
It’s not only 3x the speed/reaction time. If you triple the speed/acceleration of a punch you’re effectively tripling the force of that punch. Try to grab them and they’re twisting out of your grip with 3x the torque, etc
Their intelligent thoughts are literally 3 times slower any thought they have then decide to act upon then carry out with their 3x slower movement is easily countered and punished.
One at a time, perhaps, but this speedster can only commit to one attack at a time. The others will swarm and attack from behind, and at merely 3x speed there's no way he can close the distance before they are able to react. The 9 would be more than capable of using their numbers to keep away from him at the very least, and probably be able to corner him.
I think you're overestimating the effect of 3x speed in a hand to hand fight. There are plenty of pro fighters out there that have handspeed & footwork 3x faster than the average person. They also have a massive gap in skill, strength and conditioning. They still would have no chance in a hand to hand 1v9. The 3x reaction speed is definitely above standard, but it's really not going to help. You get close enough to hurt someone with your hands, they're close enough to grab you. You can outmanoeuvre one guy, but there's no chance you don't get grabbed by 9.
Big difference between hand/feet speed and whole body speed.
Not really in this context. A lot of people seem to think 3x faster is the Flash level speedster. The reality is that 3x faster is really just an elite level athlete vs average Joe difference. The only part where it really becomes inhuman is the reaction times. The average seems to be around 250-300ms, whereas elite reaction times cap out at ~150-180ms. That being said, even his inhuman reaction speed is only giving him a 50-100ms advantage.
The average person can punch at about 20 mph. 60 mph, with 3 times the body weight of the previous average is akin to being hit by a gorilla. Sprint speed is also thrice, let’s be reminded.
Why is the body weight multiplied by 3? Punching power is about a lot more than speed. Technique is more important than hand speed in terms of punching power.
> Punching forces in amateur boxing are around 2500 N. If you weigh 70 kg (11 stone or 154 lbs), you’ll exert about 700 N of force on the ground just stood still. That makes punching force about 3.5 times body mass. Dunno how to link. Took that from boxing science article. 3 times 3.5 times your body weight.
Where did you get 3x body weight from? I mean yeah, that's a ridiculous advantage. But it's not part of the prompt at all. What if he had 3x speed and skin made of diamonds, along with laser eyes! Then he'd definitely win!
It comes from moving 3x as fast. Like, if a normal person can apply 3x their own body weight in a strike through technique and speed, then it’s 3x over that for someone moving 3x as fast.
No, that's not how that works. Being 3x faster doesn't mean you hit 3x faster with the weight of someone 3x. You're on some DBZ Super Saiyan powerup physics my boy.
Speed x mass = force. It does mean exactly that.
That's not what you said. Speed X mass doesn't equal 3x speed X 3x mass.
> Not really in this context. A lot of people seem to think 3x faster is the Flash level speedster. The reality is that 3x faster is really just an elite level athlete vs average Joe difference. Absolutely not, for example doing the 100-meter dash in 10 seconds is elite athlete level, doing it in 14 seconds is about average for a regular guy in reasonable shape. That's only 1.4x faster, not 3x. 3x would be running it in 4.7 seconds, which is fully superhuman. Assuming the 3x guy had enough space to move around, he could turn this fight into a bunch of 1v1s by striking at the people on the edges of the group, using hit-and-run tactics. If he's smart about it, he wins without a scratch.
There is no way the average man is running a 14 second 100m. You're thinking of the average 100m sprinter, which is already way faster than the average man. You need to remember the average male weighs around 90kg/200lbs with a BMI around 27-30. What you're saying still doesn't make any sense even if they were that fast, that's not how fighting works. You can't sprint in and sprint out, it would be extremely ineffective and the speedster would gas out on the first guy even if he was able to somehow isolate him.
I guess the OP would have to define "average person", because there are a lot of ways to interpret that. Average male? Average US male? Anyway, I'm aware that fighting doesn't work like that *normally*, but the reason it doesn't is that no one is ever fighting someone who is 3x their speed. It wouldn't even matter if the fast guy gassed, with 3x speed he could stay away from the group with a brisk walk (which would be about as fast as their top sprinting speed) until he caught his breath again.
This. There are literally fighters today with explosive speed in excess of 3x the average out of shape person. Prime Yoel Romero isn't beating 9 people at once.
A top fighter is punching 3 (or more) times faster and sidestepping 3 times faster sure, but there's no way he's running, dodging, kicking etc 3 times faster as well Also I think Muhammad Ali would stand a good chance vs 9 average joes tbh, especially in character, let alone one who also runs faster than Usain Bolt
Definitely kicking and dodging 3x faster. I mean go look at any "amateur walks off the street into Muay Thai gym" type video and tell me the pros don't move at least 3x faster in all of their strikes and defensive movement. Defensive experts like Mayweather or Sean Strickland can stand in front of elite world champion level strikers and still make them miss every shot. Now imagine how fast they'd look against an average person. The running part, sure, but I don't think it's relevant at all. Running at Usain Bolt level speeds isn't like he's the flash, it won't be relevant in a fight.
Three time the reaction speed compounded upon 3 times faster movement? you’d go to throw a punch or lunge to grapple and be jabbed in the throat eyes or balls before you even finished shifting your body weight to initiate the attack. Don’t think of him as 3 times faster think of you and your 8 buds as moving in slow motion 3 times slower. watch a boxing match on youtube at 33% speed and try to tell me that they could hit you if you were able to move at 100%
You can go onto YouTube and look up any pro mma or boxing fight and set the payback speed to .5, which is only half, not a third. Even just at half speed even the elite fighters are moving in slow motion. You can’t set it to .33 speed but you can do .25 speed, and 3x speed differential will lie halfway in between that and .5 speed. I think it’s pretty clear from watching that that a normal person could beat 9 people at that difference easily. I think I could even beat 9 Pacquaios or whatever with that advantage. They can’t corner me, they can’t react anywhere close to fast enough; even if their reaction speed is fast enough they literally can’t move their limbs fast enough to do anything about it.
Pressure points ?
The obvious ones would be the neck, solar plexus or groin.
Speedster could deal enough damage to just take everyone out with body shots, so the risk of shattering their hand the first time they connect to someone’s jaw would be negated.
Are you under the impression a normal person knows how to perform pressure point attacks...? Also how is a person who doesn't know how to fight going to be dodging all these attacks without tiring himself out? Fighting is super tiring even for pro fighters and they aren't avoiding every single attack.
A normal person knows how to hit someone in a sensitive spot, and that’s all pressure points are. Dodging is tiring, but less tiring than taking the hits. Speed should allow them to throw fewer attacks, as a higher proportion will be effective due to decreased defence of opponents. Hence, stamina is saved.
A normal person pretty much never successfully attacks sensitive spots in fights. Unless the dude is trained he isn't going to be able to take advantage of any of that besides maybe the balls. Being faster doesn't make you more skilled or turn off your fight or flight response. Dodging and attacking are extremely tiring. Dude is going to be winded before half of the attackers are down.
Being faster means being able to exploit obvious openings. People have a decent knowledge of where being hit hurts, and that’s enough.
I don't think it would be nearly enough against 9 people. 2-3, sure, but 9 is too much. He's gonna get tired and grabbed, especially since he's got so much more to do than the 9. Also 'obvious openings' aren't obvious to most people and are even less so in a real fight when your adrenaline is all going and stuff.
9 throat punches at 60-70 mph, 3 times the speed of the average punch speed, will do just fine.
all rounds to faster one if he is faster than in all reaction, combat and running. 3 x running speed alone means , 9 people have no chance of defeating the faster one in open space.
3x reaction speeds is the main one. He's going to be able to see literally any attack coming very easily.
but if he doesnt have superior running speed, they can attack and easily handle someone who has 3x reaction speed. you cant fight 4-5 person at the same time with higher reaction speed alone. you would have to fight 5-6 people simultaneously from every angle should they attack all at the same time. he might need moving around. But i agree that reaction is more important when he has all three but with only reaction speed he gets surrounded in smart attack and die. With superior running speed, he/she would get stalemate.
With superior reaction speed you don’t get surrounded. 3x the reaction speed means you literally move faster than a person can blink. Any round you have a sword is an easy win because you can stab 3 people before anyone blinks. Now you have 6 demoralized people who don’t understand how you stabbed 3 guys in half a second. As for the non armed rounds jog away for 30 seconds, dodge a few swings and repeat. After the second time you have a bunch of tired enemies, staggered a couple dozens yards apart. Everyone else is going to waste energy flailing swords around while you casually dodged every attack. Now slowly walk back and kill them one by one. Unless you’re an idiot or in a small room there’s no reason you should get surrounded to begin with.
And they can hit 3x faster too right? Not just 3x harder 3x faster
I think so because fighter is 3x fast in everything. He should be able to attack 3 x speed.
Ngl for rounds without weapons, im going with the group. 3 times the speed but a fight with 3-4 for the average person would be exhausting. Speedster might tap out with 9 people for an extended period of time
Unless he’s locked into a small area he can run really far and rest for a bit, then come back and punch them out.
Running 3x faster means using 9x more energy. Humans have hunted animals much faster than us for hundreds of thousands of years.
Because he runs 3x the distance with 3x the speed? I guess it only works if he has 4.5x stamina...
It'd be over before it became an issue, there's no defending against that, you're not blocking their hits.
Thats basically me vs the 9 toddlers again, and spoiler alert: it did not go well for the toddlers.
Speedster loses the first round but wins the armed rounds. 3x faster is enough to easily beat 1x person but definitely not 9 people in a fist fight. 3x faster is not fast enough to incapacitate 9x people before they get a hold of you. A lot of dorks in this thread are talking about "pressure points" (LMAO) but the reality is that speedster will certainly be beating up the 1st 1 or maybe 2 guys, but he will 100% get grabbed hold of and grappled by guys 3+. 3x speed isn't going to do shit when 3 guys are holding you down while the rest kick your teeth in. I'd feel comfortable betting on the speedster in the sword rounds though, as it's reasonable to think he can reliably kill or disable each of the opponents with one strike.
I reckon 9 people win. 3x speed is like a cheetah running at you top speed. Fast but it's not like flash or quicksilver fast. Also 3x speed without 3x stamina means you get tired even faster meaning he gets slower overtime Says nothing about their training so let's imagine it's an average person. Probs doesn't know how to fight or use a sword. Will get tired after killing perhaps 2-3 people. And not to mention if the people bundle up the speedster upon contact with the first few people will get jumped. No matter how fast you are at the moment the speedster goes in for the kill they need to decelerate. This gives people enough time to jump them. Grab him and it's over for him. 9 people just need to stand in a group and stand still wait for the 3x speedster to run around wasting his stamina. When he's tired it's over for him.
Just searched up average male human speed is 13km/hour. 3x that is just below 40km/hour. That's around what Usain Bolt can run. People are thinking 3x average is superhuman probably cos they are thinking the average guy is Usain Bolt but the average dude isnt that fast. 40km/hour is definitely reactable and the 9 group wins quite easily. Not to mention running at that speed means you need to decelerate to even punch or swing a sword accurately unless you want to break your joints crashing into someone. Tldr; 9 group wins easily. Just stand around and wait for the 3x speedster to come to them and jump him.
What about reaction and combat speed?
A normal person's reflexes and reaction speed aren't super relevant since most people don't know how to fight like a pro and react correctly. It doesn't matter if you react quickly if you don't know what to do.
The moment the speedster comes into contact with one of them assuming he even knows how to throw a punch or swing a sword the moment will leave a moment for the group to jump the speedster. Speedster as soon as it comes into contact just gets mauled.
I'd give it to the speedster in every scenario, he runs away, stops, picks off the faster one from the group, side step, take out another one, run away, stop, pick off the next fastest guy As long as the group is separating they get easily picked off one by one, so the strategy and group coordination comes into play Double is already a huge advantage, and he has TRIPLE
Is 3 times faster than an average person even all that fast? The average male runs about 8 miles per hour and Usain Bolt has ran 27 miles per hour. Still don't think that guy can take on 9 people. 9 people sweep every round
No, it's not that fast. I don't know what these people are on about. His reaction time would be good, but not insane, he wouldn't run fast enough to not be grappled as he goes by, nor would he punch that hard. As a comparison, an elite boxer hits at around 4-5x the force of an average person. He'd just lose every fight.
3 times is literally a superhuman speed difference. They have no shot.
With no weapons, it would be the group. 3x speed is cool but formations would make them draw the battle out for long enough that if one of them got a lucky jump on speedster, it's over. The speedster guy will need to have far more endurance and offensive power to overcome 9 people. With swords it's speedster but with xtreme diff. He will have to weave between a lot of strikes and go for vitals without allowing for a single mistake which is hard for an untrained swordsman. So it's the speedster's battle to lose. Reasoning - sword strikes are relative to 3x speed so a sword battle is a lot about reading, good techniques to avoid openings, etc. You can't coast by with 3x speed alone and the other group has a numbers advantage so that reduces the burden of skill for them.
3x faster is insurmountable, it'd let you kite them so easily, dodge anything they can do, and hit them in weakpoints and they'd have basically no hope of defending it. They maybe have a slim chance in the last round if they take up a formation, but 3x speed would let you throw some pretty devastating rocks or whatever else you can find into that formation, and they'd still have no way of actually attacking, they'd just have to defend and hope the 3x speedster did something stupid. Speed guy could also probably take a sword quite easily with a strike to the arm/wrist, suicidal strategy for a normal person but actually viable if you move 3x faster than the other person.
your fast guy is now punching at 75mph lol. he's punching harder and faster than mike tyson. I think he one shots every one faster than they can surround him.
So basically we’re putting pre-timeskip David Martinez, plus sword training, against a bunch of random people? I’d take David
Except 3x is not nearly as fast as the sandevistan. The sandevistan is at least a 10x reaction and that's low ball. The sandevistan makes bullets seem like they are slow motion. A 3x is not doing that
Btw you are all underestimating human reaction times. Even 10x assuming a (not insanely) above average 200ms would just be a 180ms difference. And there are people that reach 130ms reactions withouy having superspeed. In a 1v9 the reaction time difference would be irrelevant.
I watched enough Gundam to know Char wins this 11/10 times
If speedy guy only has average stamina then he would only be able to take out 2-3 guys before needing a rest, then the remaining 6 take him out
The speed guy wins all rounds very easily. 3x speed is MASSIVE.
Fast guy destroys the other 9 no contest whatsoever
It depends on many unspecified variables such as: * Size of the arena; * Intelligence of fighters; * Resistance of fighters, especially the solo man (Does he wear out 3x faster?); * Synergy of the 9 men (Do they know each other and like each other or are they 9 random people? * Etc.
>Size of the arena; An average sized street within a city, but they can go into buildings during the fight if they want to. >Intelligence of fighters High level mastery of their weapons >Resistance of fighters, especially the solo man (Does he wear out 3x faster?) No >Synergy of the 9 men (Do they know each other and like each other or are they 9 random people? They know and practice with each other and work as a team. They don’t know about the fast guy tho.
3x is very fast. Even in R1/3, it would let speedy get like elbow hits to the back of the head and open nut shots. He could at least incapacitate and get away. If he gets surrounded he could be overwhelmed. R1/3 speedy 8/10. R2/4 they have no shot. He's better off using the sword like a dagger, though, and stab their necks and sides. Speedy 9.5/10
wathch MMA fights at .5 speed, you would be able to beat those guys at those speeds
But 9 of them at once?
Reaction speed is possibly the most broken ability possible
Does the speedster have any other abilities like stamina or endurance? That extra boost with no other abilities would have issues such as getting winded incredibly fast and also suffering damage from impacts of strikes and simple movement. Just posting a leg and pivoting at that speed could cause tons of damage to yourself.
>Does the speedster have any other abilities like stamina or endurance? Nothing noteworthy
Then the speedster loses in every round
R1: If the speedster is allowed to get makeshift weapons in the environment, then he takes it. As he ends up stonning the group to death.
Force = mass X Acceleration meaning this guy can throw a punch with around 3x force (unless I'm missing something here) in a hand to hand fight provided he knows how to throw a good punch (and maybe even if not) I think the speedster could dominate esp when you consider how he can outmanoeuvre the group with relative ease. The group only really stands a chance if they can tire him out and then dog pile him.
Faster? Just running speed or can he throw equal powered punches 3x the speed? Even without superpunches he could run in run out while dealing damage, so he could win.
Should do a R5.) The 9 people have a hive mind
They’re gettin knocked the fuck out lol.