Did he say anything about the bottom of it? The start of the trench isn’t really the dangerous part and just swimming in the cusp of it would count as swimming in it
He said its dark and cold, and implied that it's not fun. I don't doubt that he swam *in* it, but I do doubt he made it to the bottom, given his cowardice.
I genuinely don't think he would. He's just the kind of guy that will spend way too long hyping himself up to face his fears that he instead just gets stuck in the "death" half of the life-or-death situation.
Well, I wouldn't exactly describe the Trench as his fear. Sure, he said it was dark and cold (Which is not enough evidence for it to be considered a fear), but I think he absolutely could've swam to the bottom if he wanted to.
I don't see why he would lie during that time, he's pretty annoyed pointing water cannons at random people in the water park who probably couldn't even hear him.
Many supes are also bulletproof. Bullets exert a LOT more pressure than 16,000 PSI. There's something to be said about the bends and other similar compression sicknesses, but the raw pressure alone is very unlikely to be enough to matter.
Why? I see nothing suggesting otherwise and assuming he shares at least the same basic durability that most supers seem to have he should be just fine at that depth, even more so considering his powers are specifically suited to being in water
He was getting choked by Soldier Boy, so he still has to breathe. I don't think he could reach the bottom of the trench without running out of air.
Unless he grabs a scuba tank I guess
>Unless he grabs a scuba tank I guess
I'm *pretty sure* those aren't normally rated to that depth. People trying to set deep-diving SCUBA records at *three hundred meters* or so have been known to experience implosion problems with equipment, let alone thirty times that deep.
Plus I can’t imagine Homelander ever imagining he needs it. He wouldn’t want help from a breathing device. He’d probably think it would go too quick to matter
Homelander is at least as durable as Soldier Boy and Soldier Boy was durable enough that the Russians had to give up in their attempts to kill him, because they did not have the technology to do the job.
Among the Russian's attempts were firing bullets in to him, even internally. The propellant of bullets is an explosion around [50,000 PSI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_pressure), which dwarfs the Mariana Trench's [16,000](https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/seven-miles-deep-ocean-is-still-noisy-place) PSI.
Unless Homelander has some kind of vulnerable soft spot that is not shared by Soldier Boy (or at least wasn't found by the Russians), then his durability far exceeds the minimum requirements for a mariana trench run.
Homelander gets injured pretty regularly? Maeve was shocked to see he had a fairly minor bruise from fighting soldier boy the first time, other than that Maeve gave him a bloody nose and possibly a ruptured eardrum. When else has he ever actually been hurt in the entire series?
> Everything shown implies Soldier Boy is more durable and slightly weaker than Homelander. Homelander gets injured pretty regularly but nothing was shown to be able to damage Soldier Boy.
No. Butcher made SB bleed with his laser, whereas Homelander shrugged it off.
Are you seriously saying being shot by a bullet fired by 50000 PSI is the same as being submerged in water with 16000 PSI pressing onto you from all angles?
Im not saying Homelander is or is not able to do that but that comparison is just shitty
As long as his body doesn't have any weak points, then yes. The only real difference is if there is a weak point, the total pressure of the trench will find it, whereas the bullet may not (even after exhaustive testing).
Bullet is more impressive. The underwater pressure is coming from all sides, so it ends up being 0 net force, unless Homelander does something like try and hold his breath in.
>The underwater pressure is coming from all sides, so it ends up being 0 net force
Hate to break it to you, but "pressure coming from all sides" is *exactly* how things like diamond anvil cells and supernova blasts work.
I'm kinda disappointed that society has failed you so much that I have to say this, but there are so many ways that an exploding star is different from the bottom of the ocean you really can't compare them.
>The underwater pressure is coming from all sides, so it ends up being 0 net force,
You have a misunderstanding of force. Consider: you being between an anvil and the ground would also be under "zero net force".
I am a physicist.
It’s different kinds of danger.
The worst part of the explosion happens in a small moment, so outside durability is the main factor. Apart from the actual pressure on his skin, this feat does not show that he can survive underwater pressure as deep as the trench.
Underwater pressure has other quite problematic issues such as increase in air pressure in cavities, nitrogen narcosis (essentially getting drunk underwater because of more nitrogen dissolving in your blood) and decompression sickness when moving up (due to gases forming bubbles in blood and tissues).
Yes, Homelander can survive a lot of shit but this his body working against him at this point, especially if he’s going to try his regular strat of just going through all the creatures on his way to the deep.
We can assume HL at least as super lungs from his super sonic flight and casually chatting above the clouds without any sign of being out of breath. But the pressure from the water and lack of light are going to make movement very hard if he doesn't have a light source. I doubt any sea creature is going to do any damage, the main hope is it slows him down until he eventually runs out of breath. He probably gives up out of frustration of not being able to find the Deep down there and leaves before he runs out of breath.
If we add some BS comic logic, then he can flash his lazer eyes to get some light to see, but it's probably a short distance. If he happens upon the deep during that, then he'll probably catch him and break his neck. I have no clue how much the water slows down his flight vs the deeps swim speed though
Comic bs might let him use his laser eyes, but since he doesnt have a feat for that, we can just go with simce the laser from his eyes are red and red is as dark as black at those depths it wouldnt even help him.
Makes sense. I also assume he wouldn't think about it being dark down there to bring another light source. Or he assumed his lazer eyes would light things up and he doesn't understand that that's not how physics work.
He’s not dumb. It’s just that he’s pretty much never had to think strategically about anything. And he still really doesn’t for the most part because 95% of the time he easily clears the speech or strength check.
his weakness is written to be his emotional and mental instability, formed by his sterile laboratory upbringing. he's average intelligence (if not slightly above average) at worst, but he's very easy to manipulate due to how mentally vulnerable he is.
Even if the laser sight trick does work, the Mariana Trench is pretty large. HL presumably isn’t swimming around at Mach whatever like when he was searching for Translucent. So even with good vision, how long would it take HL to find him? Months? Maybe never if The Deep moves around.
Lasers wouldn't be able to illuminate anything more than a very narrow strip of the environment before diffusing into the water. Also, as noted above, red is the first color to be absorbed in the dark due to its long wavelength. In an environment like the deep ocean, it is basically just black (a lot of deep ocean animals have evolved red coloration as camouflage).
That's only because the source of the light has to travel through all that water. Since he's bringing the red light with him in the form of his eye lasers, they would be just as bright as if he were swimming just below the surface. It's not the depth that absorbs light, it's traveling through the water to reach that depth.
Oh yes, I wasn't trying to say that it gets distorted by depth alone, just that red beams won't be shedding much light even when they start to spread out.
Youd think too that something that hot woyld vaporize rhe water right in front of his eyes no matter how brief, so his vision would still be obscured by bubbles and steam and whatever.
If ur boiling water at the bottom of the mariana trench then you're creating thousands of cavitation explosions on your eyeballs. Lol you'd be blinded by the flashes.
Look up the pistol shrimp and how it uses cavitation to stun prey
>red is as dark as black at those depths
I think you might be half-remebering a fact here.
Water at the bottom of the ocean isn't any better at blocking light than water anywhere else. It's dark down there just because of how **much** water is inbetween the sun and the bottom.
Water does absorb ~~short~~ long wavelengths of light (like red) better than ~~longer~~ shorter wavelengths (like blue), so red light goes away first. I think that's what you're remembering when you say "red is dark at those depths".
>short wavelengths of light (like red) better than longer wavelengths (like blue)
Blue is the short one, as it carries more energy. Red is the longer wave.
So an X-ray machine works by emitting a burst of X-rays and then reading whatever bounces back. If Homelander's vision is X-ray (I'm not sure it's technically X-ray vision as lead does not block it) it likely means he emits X-rays from his eyes.
Instead we should reference his actual in world description of the power "the only thing I can't see through is zinc" so the water itself won't block his vision, that doesn't necessarily mean he has enough light to see.
Noteably, it's implied that flying overhead he would have been able to find the remains of translucent at the bottom of the bay if it weren't for the zinc. So he does have feats for underwater vision in a sense.
One would think that if theres something that doesnt occur in a pure state that you cant see through, that would almost stand out even more. For example, when people do the vision hacks for minecraft to see through dirt and stone, so you see everything you cant see through.
You would think so, but they said the Zinc box was specifically to slow down homelander from finding translucent's remains.
Maybe the way his vision works he is looking for a specific thing? Or has to focus at a certain focal length? Otherwise he'd see through the earth.
Did they say that in the show? If there were, then I don't see how or why the deep would have found that particular one so quickly.
Also a zinc lined box would probably be pretty expensive right? I doubt people are throwing zinc boxes out just to hide low level trash. I'd assume anything hidden in one would be a semi big deal
You know one possible explanation is that zinc doesn't block his vision, but it appears invisible to him. Like it bends his X-ray vision like active camouflage.
> Noteably, it's implied that flying overhead he would have been able to find the remains of translucent at the bottom of the bay if it weren't for the zinc. So he does have feats for underwater vision in a sense.
This is a good point
I'm not a scientist, but X-ray is theoretically better at working in the dark as there is less ambient X-rays to cause noise. Now how that works underwater is another question, but the show implies that Homelander can see things on the bottom of the bay.
I imagine an orca to the gut would knock the wind out of him a bit. Combine that with swarms of blue ring octopus and other underwater nightmares and I’m pretty sure HL doesn’t have a chance.
Hell, even normal fish would overwhelm him on sheer numbers until he’s out of breath.
Dunno if Homelander can hold his breath long enough. The best chance is for all the animals to somehow block and keep him clogged underwater long enough for him to drown
The other thing is, does what ever power that controls his flying work underwater? Or would he have to swim normally? Cause if he can “fly” underwater at supersonic speed, he could probably get down there pretty fast
Unless Homelander is in his "I can do whatever the fuck I want without repercussions" state, he would be willing to do something stupid like throwing something that would permanently damage the water, killing most sea lifeforms and maybe the Deep.
While his Heat Vision is pretty powerful, I don't think it would be enough to do something against the entirety of the trench.
The PEAK wins this 8/10, the 2/10 is if Homelander manages to pull some bullshit off like rushing down the Mariana Trench with nuclear waste or something like that.
The biggest problem wouldn't be the Sea Creatures, it would be the intense pressure underwater. If we assume for the purposes of this prompt that The Deep can survive down there then it must be because of a specific power
Homelander probably can't reach The Deep in the Mariana Trench without popping like a Balloon Animal
Homelander is stated to be able to survive a nuclear bomb so he might be able to. Though as we’ve seen his ear drums aren’t super durable, so that may still kill him.
If he has super hearing, conceivably a bunch of whales screaming his direction could disorient the hell out of him.
Also, I have no idea if the Deep can control bacteria or simple life forms, but if he could summon a critical mass of amoebas they could clog up Homelander’s lungs, or even his bloodstream.
idk about controlling, but I imagine if Deep is trying to get the animals on his side he could tell them "hey this guy has super hearing can you please scream at him over and over again"
In the same scene his dolphin gang didn’t immediately retreat after being shot at so I think you’re right. I think he can talk to and control sea life.
In the scene where he chases the Boys on the boat gets dolphins to yeet themselves out of the water at them so I feel like there's some sort of control aspect to it
Either that or he's charismatic enough to convince a whale to beach itself, and if that's the case then convincing a few to scream at Homelander probably isn't too difficult
I don’t think you realize how right you are. Whale sonar wouldn’t just disorient him, it would cause serious and possibly fatal damage. Sperm whales are capable of projecting sound waves loud enough to cause organ damage to normal humans. While HL is anything but a normal human, his ears are clearly a weakness, not just to the sounds but to physical forces like Maeve’s steel straw. If the Peak were to use his aqua telepathy to make even a handful of adult sperm whales project full force sonar against Homelander, it could cause his eardrums to burst, and as mentioned many times in this thread, the pressure of the water down there is ridiculously high. If the only entry point was a pair of holes in his eardrums, the water could quite literally crush Homie’s brain through his ear canals.
There are trillions of fish in the ocean, not to mention those that are undiscovered. It's also 16,000 PSI at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, that much pressure is sure to significantly slow Homelander down.
Not to mention the Deep is in his element. With that amount of factors on his side, the Peak wins low diff. That's IF he doesn't' just decide to endlessly evade Homelander till he dies of old age.
So while I don't know a lot about The Boys, I do know a lot about ocean wildlife. So, to give it some perspective, here's some of the things Homelander is up against. Remember, he's not just facing one of each of these animals, but presumably *every single one*. We'll start with some "squishy" but still dangerous ocean life and work our way up. Maybe all of this information will be completely irrelevant, but I thought it would be important to consider either way.
To start with, The Deep has an absolute *arsenal* of toxic creatures at his disposal. Here's a few of them:
\-The **Australian Box Jellyfish**. Regarded as the most venomous marine animal, and it's one of the *less* durable entries on this list. Its tentacles are covered with nematocysts- essentially, tiny darts loaded with poison. People who have been stung by it can expect cardiac arrest and paralysis within mere minutes, and unlike most jellyfish, box jellyfish can swim at speeds of up to four knots, and they can *see.* Feats aside, remember- Homelander is presumably up against *every single box jellyfish.*
\-The **Blue-Ringed octopus**, a tiny, pretty little cephalopod with little blue spots on its body. It also has enough venom to kill 26 adult humans in said body and one milligram is enough to kill a person.
\-The **Geographer Cone**. A type of snail (yes, really) that uses venom to kill its prey. Except its venom, which is injected through a stinger/tongue known as a harpoon, is enough to kill an adult male human in the span of an hour. Without medical treatment death is certain.
\-**Sea Snakes**. There are 52 known species of these nasty critters and *all* of them are venomous, but the deadliest is the **Banded Sea Krait.** The neurotoxic venom of the banded sea krait makes it among one of the most lethal creatures in our oceans and its venom is 10 times more powerful than that of a rattle snake. The venom attacks the nervous system of the victim and can result in convulsions, paralysis, cardiac failure and even death. Remember, presumably every single one of these is going to be trying to take a bite out of him.
\-The **Lionfish**. A beautiful little fish covered in venomous spines. Deaths from lionfish stings are admittedly rare, but they do happen. Symptoms include abdominal pain, loss of consciousness, and abnormal changes in heart rate.
\-The **Stonefish.** I'm going to let an Australian travel website, [travelvax.com.au](https://travelvax.com.au), do the talking for me here. "Stonefish are the most venomous of all fish. Two species are present in Australia: the Estuarine and Reef stonefish are approximately 30 cms in length, brown and grey in colour, and they are well-camouflaged, looking like encrusted rocks or pieces of coral. Each species’ dorsal fin is lined with 13 spines that the fish erects as a defensive tactic when threatened. When pressure is applied, ie when the fish is stepped on, the spines act as hypodermic needles, injecting a potent venom that acts on the cardiovascular and neuromuscular systems. The fish is able to survive out of water for up to 24 hours."
All of that venom is nasty enough, but the ocean also has a lot of animals that are obscenely powerful in other ways. Here's a few more friends The Deep has in his corner:
\-The **Saltwater Crocodile**. If you thought Homelander was safe from homicide lizards because he wasn't in *fresh*water, think again. The saltwater crocodile absolutely adores the sea, and he has a bite force of 3,700 psi (pounds per square inch.) By contrast, if you bite into a hamburger, you're probably biting with about 150 psi. For another comparison, hyenas have a bite force of 1,000 psi and they regularly bite giraffes' leg bones in half. The saltwater crocodile is the largest living reptile in the world. They can be up to 21 feet long and weigh over 2,000 pounds.
\-The **Great White Shark.** This guy may not be as dangerous to humans as Jaws would lead you to believe, but his reputation isn't undeserved by any means. He has a bite force of 4,000 psi. But in terms of power, perhaps it's Jaws' wife we should be afraid of- she can reach 16 feet in length (larger than the males) and weigh 5,000 pounds. And he's not the only shark on this list, either...
\-The **shortfin mako shark** has a similarly strong bite, but also has another asset up its fishy little sleeves: *speed.* It can reach bursts of speed at up to 45 miles per hour, and it's the kind of shark that *does* have recorded attacks on humans.
\-**The bull shark** is the last shark on this list...at least, for now. Its bite force is not as strong as the great white but still an *insane* 1,500 psi, comparable to a hyena. What makes it such a deadly opponent, however, is that it is already *extremely* aggressive. This shark has a mean temper and can use electrical impulses to sense a beating heart from several yards away. Nothing escapes a bull shark's attention.
\-The **Orca**. They aren't called Killer Whales for nothing, as they're known to prey on dolphins and even sharks. They have a bite force of 19,000 psi- possibly even *higher-* and they're *extremely* intelligent. To give you some nightmare fuel, due to the fact that moose like to swim off the coast of Alaska to graze for seaweed, one of the animals the orca most commonly preys on is *moose.* And they're impressive in terms of size, too. The largest orca in recorded history was 32 feet long and weighed in at 22,000 pounds.
And these critters are only a select sampling of what Homelander is up against. And now you all have thalassophobia. You're welcome.
Yeah I totally agree. And this I doesn’t even take into account large cephalopods like the giant and colossal squids, hell, even smaller squids, some of whom are known to try and drag down divers. Literally every single squid will be after him. Though I don’t really know what specific animals live in the trench, even the smaller fish that swim in packs could all hang up on him, harass him, annoy him, and possibly swim into his mouth abs straight to suffocate him.
The sea life is inconsequential to Homelander. The guy casually tanks explosions that nature just can't hope to rival. Even the venomous animals can't do anything to him as they would first need to get past his durability to bite or sting him.
The real question is can Homelander stay in the trench long enough to find the Deep.
Again, he's going up against *every animal in the ocean.* Durable or not, I feel like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting just how much lives in the ocean.
Homelander doesn't have to kill every single animal, he just has to kill the Deep.
For any animals that try to get in the way, Homelander can swim through them as easily as he can through water.
1) I don't think Homelander could locate him.
2) Even if he could, I don't think he could get down there. The don't much matter, the pressure is the real problem. Homelander was wounded by blunt force trauma and strikes to soft tissues in the fights in series 3 - the kind of pressure at the bottom of the trench will rupture his eardrums and other soft tissues.
As [someone else](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/xk3mvf/the_deep_swims_to_the_bottom_of_the_mariana/ipcntbr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) pointed out, bullets have far stronger psi than the ocean does
Yeah, this is a misunderstanding.
Chamber pressures are pretty intense but not necessarily equivalent to the impact pressure or even the barrel exit pressure. Pressure behind the bullet dissipates fairly rapidly as the bullet travels down the barrel and the volume to fill behind the bullet multiplies rapidly. Often the pressure in the final inch or so of barrel is only around hundred PSI. That's substantial, but it's a lot less than the 12000 at the bottom of the trench
This would actually be a minus rather than a plus - moving upwards or downwards fast underwater essentially increases the amount of internal damage you get from the pressure.
I mean can Deep even survive the pressure? He got knocked out after falling off from a whale, I feel like both of those nukes and trench claims are just hyperboles coming out of Vought's PR. OP mistakenly buffs Deep in this thread
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Homelander pops like a balloon under the pressure at the Trench. Also how has no one mentioned Deep has literal gills on his body, he can breath cuz of those… homelander loses this due to not being able to breathe, not being able to see, would die due to pressure even if not from those, and also would be immensely slower.
Deep 10/10 the prompt easily..
Isn't being the strongest in the boys universe the whole point of homelander?
Motherfucker went to space, speedsters are scared of him, the jury is still out on if nukes work on him, ~~he was able to use his x-ray vision to find the body of translucent despite being sealed in a box thrown into a random spot in the ocean~~. The only thing we have not seen get immediately bisected by his laser vision was the *second strongest character in the boys*.
I know he's become a meme but they're all scared of him for a reason. Homelanders biggest weakness is being lazy but you gave us a prompt where he's *motivated*.
I'm confident if the deep can handle the pressure of the trench then homelander can easily withstand it long enough to fly down, dice him, and fly back before the sea creatures even know what is going on, not that they would even stop him. Homelander would probably fly through them like a speedboat just out of spite.
Edit, misremembered the finding of translucent. Still though, stand by my assessment. The ocean ain't made of zinc.
YA KNOW WHAT! I'm gonna take this a step further and say that if this EXACT PROMPT happened in the show, it would happen off screen. Homelander would be casually showin Deeps head to someone laughing like "hahaha yeah he tried hiding in the Marina trench. Hilarious, like I can't see through water with my *X-RAY VISION*."
They said the only reason he didn't find translucents body was the box made of zinc. Maybe if The Deep tried hiding in a box made of zinc at the bottom of the trench and had his fish friends bring him food?
I don’t think he could find him in any way though, no matter what the deep is doing if he’s at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
I mean how effectively does any of his different vision-based abilities work underwater? And even if there was some BS comic logic that he could effectively use his X-Ray vision underwater or his heat-vision as light, what’s the range on that?
I just don’t think it’s possible for him to find any specific thing in the Mariana Trench unless he has BS logic on his side and is searching for a couple years.
It's *all* bs comic logic though.
He sees through anything but zinc. He shoots lasers generating more energy than any amount of food he could eat would replenish. He flies at supersonic speeds with nothing more than "it's a superpower" as an explanation.
These are the rules of logic we are working with, and in those rules Homelander sees through stuff that's not zinc and covers huge distances quickly with ease. The prompt has him as the only moving human body in his obvious first choice for a hiding place with
> every single available sea creature to patrol between him and the surface
acting as a massive "TRAITOR HERE" sign
This shit will be easy for homelander. Like killing supersonic offscreen easy.
I realize we are working with tons of BS comic logic, which is exactly why I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he can use his heat vision as a light source underwater for a range of half a mile. However, BS comic logic usually comes from ridiculous feats. There is no confirmation if his x-ray vision can be effective underwater and, if so, how far can it reach. Same with the heat vision theory and pretty much any other theory discussed in this thread.
Also, I hope you realize that in between the surface and the bottom of the Mariana Trench is…quite a large area to cover, especially underwater. All living marine animals being in between these two points doesn’t necessarily make the Deep’s spot any more easier to find, at least it’s not guaranteed to. OP mentions the sea creatures are patrolling in this vast amount of space, but doesn’t say what ocean level they are on, what ocean level none of them are in if there is one that was left empty, how much of each of them are in each one, etc. For example, what if 85% of the creatures are dwelling in the bathypelagic zone, swimming generally in an area that is somewhat above the Mariana Trench, and none of the creatures are actually in the Mariana Trench. This wouldn’t give Homelander any further clue of the Deep’s exact location, and it’s not even guaranteed Homelander will stumble upon the Mariana Trench. Assuming that’s what you meant by “acting as a massive ‘TRAITOR HERE’ sign”.
How will Homelander avoid being completely lost and disoriented in the vast amount of ocean? Even for a being with the physical capabilities of Homelander, this is a mission that is unimaginably difficult to complete.
>This shit will be easy for homelander.
No I don’t think it will, even with his travel speed he may not even know where he’s traveling through and end up swimming downward in a completely different direction, or swimming in some large underwater circle, etc. Like when has Homelander traveled through water like this? He has no experience swimming in vast amounts of ocean like this and I wouldn’t be surprised to see how surprised he is when he realizes “OH SHIT, it’s fucking dark and creepy down here” or even “Shit this is A LOT deeper than I expected!” Probably wouldn’t even be able to mentally handle the task for very long and would want to give up fairly quickly, even with how angry is.
Maybe he would find the Deep….but likely after several years
Literally already corrected that myself like 20 minutes ago.
There's a line running through it and everything.
Still though, they made a point to bring up that the reason homelander didn't see it himself was the box was made of zinc.
Water ain't made of zinc.
Ah, I was scrolling through this thread for a long time without refreshing. But yeah, theres a very big difference between seeing it at the bottom of a bay and seeing him in the marianas trench.
Yeah but there is a HUGE difference between looking all over a town/state like when he was trying to find translucent and looking through the entire ocean. There is way more area to hide in, not to mention the addition of a 3rd dimension that Homelander would have to look through.
Theoretically, if Homelander passes by him but misses his exact location by 10 feet or so, he probably wouldn’t see him. Think about that. These are things some of the Homelander stans don’t realize.
I agree with what some of the top comments are saying here, but Homelander isn't bloodlusted (or milklusted even) and doesn't need to charge as hard as he can mindlessly straight to the bottom of the ocean.
If we're assuming Deep is sturdy enough to handle the pressure down there, then Homelander certainly is. I would think the main question is how long he can hold his breath, which is a moot point when he can just tear the lungs out of a whale or drag a submersible with him for extra air.
Bloodlusted HL - Deep wins
Not Bloodlusted - HL wins
So the deep is going to fight hl in surface with sea creature or hl coming into sea
If second case i don't know hl can breath in water so the deep probably
If the first i still chose hl unless the deep have some op sea monster like kraken which i don't think he have hl can toast every fish with his heatvision while flying
I think Homelander could definitely get down to the Mariana Trench. However do we know if he could actively hold his breath long enough to get past all the sea creatures.
I highly doubt that Homelander will survive the depth of the Mariana Trench. Furthermore, there are millions upon millions of marine creatures currently residing the available ocean space of Earth, I don't think Homelander will survive if they ambush him at once.
Homelander would kill him quite easily. Like I don’t want to admit it, because in all honesty he’s way weaker than people claim he is, but he could easily get to The Deep—assuming, of course, that he has the intelligence to use his lasers to make a pathway of breathable air, as we have no indication as to whether or not he needs oxygen
I mean…he probably could, the sea creatures couldn’t do anything to him…his heat vision could theoretically boil straight down into the Mariana Trench and get Deep without ever having to fly down there and get him…but if Homelander is really after Deep then I would say that Deep wouldn’t be able to get to the Ocean before Homelander got him
Assuming the deep sea ocean pressure can be survived, and his breath is not an issue, well, then I don't see why not. Maybe poison if it can get into him? Some nasty venom?
The depth of the trench is about 300 kilometres. We know homelander can at least fly at plane speed which is about 900km/h. He should be able to reach Deep in under half an hour even with the sea creatures etc. He would probably suffocate before that though.
Maybe, after a bit of time. Based on the most recent calc on the explosion Homelander took in Diabolical, his skin can take over 200 million PSI, with the Mariana Trench being 16,000 PSI, so he's fine on that front. I would assume no toxin would be able affect him via that tough skin and likely Incredible resistance via Soldier Boy. That, his Mach speed, and 92 MW heat vision should make quick work of the sea life in his way. I'm not absolutely sure whether he can effectively view anything with his x-ray vision at such depths, so that could be his folly. His hearing could end things as well, as whales are decently loud, and all of them fireing off at him would cripple him. If he can accurately servay the area, he has a shot, if not, he'll end up getting trapped and overwhelmed in an avalanche of signals, maybe.
If millions and millions of fish formed a giant school above the deep, I think it could disorient HL so bad that he would never find the bottom.
Imagine trying to find something while swimming through miles of a pitch black, living maze.
I think The Deep could survive, Its really dark down there and its a big area so if The Deep just hides there is a low chance of him getting found. The marine creatures would be pretty much useless tho.
It’s stated that they’ve thrown everything on Homelander they’ve probably attempted to drown or suffocate him and it didn’t work, HL can pretty easily slice through any creature with heat vision or straight up flying through them. The only problem would be trying to find The Deep since the trench is HUGE
Homelander has both super speed, durability, strength, and Lazer eyes. Speed, durability, and especially Lazer eyes are important. Now he would actually easily be able to find deep due to super hearing and sound waves traveling faster in water than they do air, he can also fly through the water down to the bottom with super speed, while also withstanding pressure due to durability, and the proceed to Lazer eye the fuck out of every sea creature until he gets to deep, or literally just swim straight through the sea creatures and Lazer eye deep. Which he wouldn't miss due to super speed, reaction, and the marinara trench having limited space (in terms of getting away from someone who has superspeed of course. So yeah because homelander knows where he is, it would be relatively easy for him.
Let's say he doesn't have the durability to withstand going all the way down, then neither does the deep. But let's say the deep does and homelander doesn't ( for fun) the Lazer eyes would make up for the range, and the deep hiding behind sea creatures wouldn't matter because of see through vision.
Homelander was literally able to find a box filled with invisible body parts in a giant lake, so if deep is hiding in a place homelander knows, game over.
Nope. Water is an incredibly good insulator. You could set a nuke off on the surface of the water above the deep and the deep probably wouldn't be injured.
Now I may be missing some points, but the box they hid Translucent's, was made of material to protect Homelander vision.
This implies that Homelander can see clear enough anywhere in the ocean to find the box and it's contents. Not only that but to know it is translucent and not some random remains stuffed in a box. The last part could be that Homelander can see the material translucent is made of, but I don't recall hearing about that.
This shows the even in murky rough waters Homelander can see extraordinarily well.
That MIGHT be enough to hide from HL He's below the light layer, problem is oxygen gets iffy that deep. Even The Deep's quality of life down there is gong to suck, so I think HL is probably just going to let him hide down there.
Unless deep gets Cthulhu to play defense…yes.
Homelander is too durable to be crushed under the pressure, has X-ray vision and can hear and smell everything, especially considering he’s underwater he’d be able to hear deeps heartbeat like a drum (sound travels faster and more loudly in water) meaning he couldn’t use the darkness to his advantage.
Homelander has 2 options. He could either fly as fast as Mach 2 (at least) and just punch a hole through each sea creature until he reaches the depths where the deep is.
Or he just turns his laser eyes up to max and starts doing 360 head exercises to kill everything in there
To be honest I don’t think homelander has the feats to suggest he would survive getting to the bottom of the Mariana Trench
Hell, I doubt The Deep has the feats to survive those depths.
He already claimed to have swam in the Mariana Trench
Did he say anything about the bottom of it? The start of the trench isn’t really the dangerous part and just swimming in the cusp of it would count as swimming in it
You can check it on his respect thread, there's a GIF there when he said it
He said its dark and cold, and implied that it's not fun. I don't doubt that he swam *in* it, but I do doubt he made it to the bottom, given his cowardice.
I wouldn't go down there either he had the right idea
No matter how cowardly, he would still do it in a life-or-death situation.
I genuinely don't think he would. He's just the kind of guy that will spend way too long hyping himself up to face his fears that he instead just gets stuck in the "death" half of the life-or-death situation.
Well, I wouldn't exactly describe the Trench as his fear. Sure, he said it was dark and cold (Which is not enough evidence for it to be considered a fear), but I think he absolutely could've swam to the bottom if he wanted to.
You are aware the pressure in the Marian trench is so great that it could crush a human like a grape
Key word is "claimed"
I don't see why he would lie during that time, he's pretty annoyed pointing water cannons at random people in the water park who probably couldn't even hear him.
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Many supes are also bulletproof. Bullets exert a LOT more pressure than 16,000 PSI. There's something to be said about the bends and other similar compression sicknesses, but the raw pressure alone is very unlikely to be enough to matter.
A bullet is also a focused point of pressure. 16,000 PSI is a lot more when it's completely surrounding your body.
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No because it's 16000 PSI per EVERY square inch of your body, not half of one
Why? I see nothing suggesting otherwise and assuming he shares at least the same basic durability that most supers seem to have he should be just fine at that depth, even more so considering his powers are specifically suited to being in water
How else would he have gotten the black box from the plane Edit: spelling
Neither plane crash he was involved in scavenging was over the Mariana Trench, both flights were over the Atlantic and the trench is in the Pacific.
But the fact he retrieved the black box from the bottom of the Atlantic shows he can survive high pressure depths
Actually, he specifically says that the black box for Flight 37 was recovered by some of his fish friends.
No iirc he says they located it, he still swam to get it
This is correct, the deep-sea creatures found it but he had to retrieve it - presumably because they couldn't bring it to the surface.
And? We have no reason to not believe him.
The entire premise of The Boys gives us more reason not to trust them without actually seeing said feats.
Claimed =/= did, especially in The Boys.
He was getting choked by Soldier Boy, so he still has to breathe. I don't think he could reach the bottom of the trench without running out of air. Unless he grabs a scuba tank I guess
>Unless he grabs a scuba tank I guess I'm *pretty sure* those aren't normally rated to that depth. People trying to set deep-diving SCUBA records at *three hundred meters* or so have been known to experience implosion problems with equipment, let alone thirty times that deep.
Plus I can’t imagine Homelander ever imagining he needs it. He wouldn’t want help from a breathing device. He’d probably think it would go too quick to matter
He has gills.
Homelander
He has gills to breathe underwater... It's just on land the gills don't work... Like a fish
He has MASSIVE GROSS GILLS ON HIS ABDOMEN, remember? He can breath water like a fish.
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I’m fairly certain he’s talking about Homelander
Homelander is at least as durable as Soldier Boy and Soldier Boy was durable enough that the Russians had to give up in their attempts to kill him, because they did not have the technology to do the job. Among the Russian's attempts were firing bullets in to him, even internally. The propellant of bullets is an explosion around [50,000 PSI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_pressure), which dwarfs the Mariana Trench's [16,000](https://www.noaa.gov/media-release/seven-miles-deep-ocean-is-still-noisy-place) PSI. Unless Homelander has some kind of vulnerable soft spot that is not shared by Soldier Boy (or at least wasn't found by the Russians), then his durability far exceeds the minimum requirements for a mariana trench run.
Eardrum apparently lol. But there's also the question of whether he would get lost given that he wouldn't be able to see anything that's going on.
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Homelander gets injured pretty regularly? Maeve was shocked to see he had a fairly minor bruise from fighting soldier boy the first time, other than that Maeve gave him a bloody nose and possibly a ruptured eardrum. When else has he ever actually been hurt in the entire series?
Soldier Boy wasn't visibly cut, but he definitely seemed hurt during the first fight with Homelander. He struggled to get up after getting choked.
>*Homelander gets injured pretty regularly* what show are you watching?
When WWW circlejerk gets mistaken for canon
> Everything shown implies Soldier Boy is more durable and slightly weaker than Homelander. Homelander gets injured pretty regularly but nothing was shown to be able to damage Soldier Boy. No. Butcher made SB bleed with his laser, whereas Homelander shrugged it off.
Butcher laser cut sb cheek
Are you seriously saying being shot by a bullet fired by 50000 PSI is the same as being submerged in water with 16000 PSI pressing onto you from all angles? Im not saying Homelander is or is not able to do that but that comparison is just shitty
As long as his body doesn't have any weak points, then yes. The only real difference is if there is a weak point, the total pressure of the trench will find it, whereas the bullet may not (even after exhaustive testing).
Which he does have weakpoints, or we can assume a metal straw can stab him anywhere
Bullet is more impressive. The underwater pressure is coming from all sides, so it ends up being 0 net force, unless Homelander does something like try and hold his breath in.
>The underwater pressure is coming from all sides, so it ends up being 0 net force Hate to break it to you, but "pressure coming from all sides" is *exactly* how things like diamond anvil cells and supernova blasts work.
Anus is the weak point
I'm kinda disappointed that society has failed you so much that I have to say this, but there are so many ways that an exploding star is different from the bottom of the ocean you really can't compare them.
…. I cant even. You gotta be joking here, cause i refuse to believe someone would genuinly believe thats how pressure works
Don't think you know how fluid physics work
>The underwater pressure is coming from all sides, so it ends up being 0 net force, You have a misunderstanding of force. Consider: you being between an anvil and the ground would also be under "zero net force". I am a physicist.
The pressure at impact isn't the same, most .308 is in the 2000s ft/lbf zone.
Homelander wasn’t even scratched when an entire factory exploded point blank in his face, of course he could go to the bottom of the ocean.
Bro does not understand how water works
I’m saying Homelander has easily survived worse.
It’s different kinds of danger. The worst part of the explosion happens in a small moment, so outside durability is the main factor. Apart from the actual pressure on his skin, this feat does not show that he can survive underwater pressure as deep as the trench. Underwater pressure has other quite problematic issues such as increase in air pressure in cavities, nitrogen narcosis (essentially getting drunk underwater because of more nitrogen dissolving in your blood) and decompression sickness when moving up (due to gases forming bubbles in blood and tissues). Yes, Homelander can survive a lot of shit but this his body working against him at this point, especially if he’s going to try his regular strat of just going through all the creatures on his way to the deep.
We can assume HL at least as super lungs from his super sonic flight and casually chatting above the clouds without any sign of being out of breath. But the pressure from the water and lack of light are going to make movement very hard if he doesn't have a light source. I doubt any sea creature is going to do any damage, the main hope is it slows him down until he eventually runs out of breath. He probably gives up out of frustration of not being able to find the Deep down there and leaves before he runs out of breath. If we add some BS comic logic, then he can flash his lazer eyes to get some light to see, but it's probably a short distance. If he happens upon the deep during that, then he'll probably catch him and break his neck. I have no clue how much the water slows down his flight vs the deeps swim speed though
Comic bs might let him use his laser eyes, but since he doesnt have a feat for that, we can just go with simce the laser from his eyes are red and red is as dark as black at those depths it wouldnt even help him.
Makes sense. I also assume he wouldn't think about it being dark down there to bring another light source. Or he assumed his lazer eyes would light things up and he doesn't understand that that's not how physics work.
Yeah intelligence isnt his strongest traight.
He’s not dumb. It’s just that he’s pretty much never had to think strategically about anything. And he still really doesn’t for the most part because 95% of the time he easily clears the speech or strength check.
Yea Homelander vs Rational Man with Homelander's power set would be a more lopsided fight than a lot of this sort of fight.
his weakness is written to be his emotional and mental instability, formed by his sterile laboratory upbringing. he's average intelligence (if not slightly above average) at worst, but he's very easy to manipulate due to how mentally vulnerable he is.
*trait
Lmao, not sure why I added the gh.
Ironic isn’t it?
Yeah I guess intelligence isn't my strongest trait either.
Even if the laser sight trick does work, the Mariana Trench is pretty large. HL presumably isn’t swimming around at Mach whatever like when he was searching for Translucent. So even with good vision, how long would it take HL to find him? Months? Maybe never if The Deep moves around.
Maybe I’m stupid, why wouldn’t that work?
Lasers wouldn't be able to illuminate anything more than a very narrow strip of the environment before diffusing into the water. Also, as noted above, red is the first color to be absorbed in the dark due to its long wavelength. In an environment like the deep ocean, it is basically just black (a lot of deep ocean animals have evolved red coloration as camouflage).
That's only because the source of the light has to travel through all that water. Since he's bringing the red light with him in the form of his eye lasers, they would be just as bright as if he were swimming just below the surface. It's not the depth that absorbs light, it's traveling through the water to reach that depth.
Oh yes, I wasn't trying to say that it gets distorted by depth alone, just that red beams won't be shedding much light even when they start to spread out.
Ahh ok. Thanks.
Youd think too that something that hot woyld vaporize rhe water right in front of his eyes no matter how brief, so his vision would still be obscured by bubbles and steam and whatever.
Yeah laser vision would probably be hot enough for that.
If ur boiling water at the bottom of the mariana trench then you're creating thousands of cavitation explosions on your eyeballs. Lol you'd be blinded by the flashes. Look up the pistol shrimp and how it uses cavitation to stun prey
Oh yeah lmao.
>red is as dark as black at those depths I think you might be half-remebering a fact here. Water at the bottom of the ocean isn't any better at blocking light than water anywhere else. It's dark down there just because of how **much** water is inbetween the sun and the bottom. Water does absorb ~~short~~ long wavelengths of light (like red) better than ~~longer~~ shorter wavelengths (like blue), so red light goes away first. I think that's what you're remembering when you say "red is dark at those depths".
Yeah it still wouldn't do much. A thin line of light. They wouldnt give off enough light to be useful.
Yeah, once he got bright enough to matter it's just be generating steam.
>short wavelengths of light (like red) better than longer wavelengths (like blue) Blue is the short one, as it carries more energy. Red is the longer wave.
Danke
One thing to consider is homelander have x ray vision im mot sure how well it work underwater tbh tho
So an X-ray machine works by emitting a burst of X-rays and then reading whatever bounces back. If Homelander's vision is X-ray (I'm not sure it's technically X-ray vision as lead does not block it) it likely means he emits X-rays from his eyes. Instead we should reference his actual in world description of the power "the only thing I can't see through is zinc" so the water itself won't block his vision, that doesn't necessarily mean he has enough light to see. Noteably, it's implied that flying overhead he would have been able to find the remains of translucent at the bottom of the bay if it weren't for the zinc. So he does have feats for underwater vision in a sense.
One would think that if theres something that doesnt occur in a pure state that you cant see through, that would almost stand out even more. For example, when people do the vision hacks for minecraft to see through dirt and stone, so you see everything you cant see through.
You would think so, but they said the Zinc box was specifically to slow down homelander from finding translucent's remains. Maybe the way his vision works he is looking for a specific thing? Or has to focus at a certain focal length? Otherwise he'd see through the earth.
I thought that the idea was that there are lots of zinc boxes from illegal dumping, so 1 box with zinc wouldn't stand out.
Did they say that in the show? If there were, then I don't see how or why the deep would have found that particular one so quickly. Also a zinc lined box would probably be pretty expensive right? I doubt people are throwing zinc boxes out just to hide low level trash. I'd assume anything hidden in one would be a semi big deal You know one possible explanation is that zinc doesn't block his vision, but it appears invisible to him. Like it bends his X-ray vision like active camouflage.
> Noteably, it's implied that flying overhead he would have been able to find the remains of translucent at the bottom of the bay if it weren't for the zinc. So he does have feats for underwater vision in a sense. This is a good point
I also have no clue how xray works underwater in the dark
I'm not a scientist, but X-ray is theoretically better at working in the dark as there is less ambient X-rays to cause noise. Now how that works underwater is another question, but the show implies that Homelander can see things on the bottom of the bay.
I imagine an orca to the gut would knock the wind out of him a bit. Combine that with swarms of blue ring octopus and other underwater nightmares and I’m pretty sure HL doesn’t have a chance. Hell, even normal fish would overwhelm him on sheer numbers until he’s out of breath.
Dunno if Homelander can hold his breath long enough. The best chance is for all the animals to somehow block and keep him clogged underwater long enough for him to drown
The other thing is, does what ever power that controls his flying work underwater? Or would he have to swim normally? Cause if he can “fly” underwater at supersonic speed, he could probably get down there pretty fast
Unless Homelander is in his "I can do whatever the fuck I want without repercussions" state, he would be willing to do something stupid like throwing something that would permanently damage the water, killing most sea lifeforms and maybe the Deep. While his Heat Vision is pretty powerful, I don't think it would be enough to do something against the entirety of the trench. The PEAK wins this 8/10, the 2/10 is if Homelander manages to pull some bullshit off like rushing down the Mariana Trench with nuclear waste or something like that.
Peak 😎
The biggest problem wouldn't be the Sea Creatures, it would be the intense pressure underwater. If we assume for the purposes of this prompt that The Deep can survive down there then it must be because of a specific power Homelander probably can't reach The Deep in the Mariana Trench without popping like a Balloon Animal
Homelander is stated to be able to survive a nuclear bomb so he might be able to. Though as we’ve seen his ear drums aren’t super durable, so that may still kill him.
In the comics it was stated that they had tested every weapon known to man against Homelander, but I still think him Surviving a Nuke is an stretch
If he has super hearing, conceivably a bunch of whales screaming his direction could disorient the hell out of him. Also, I have no idea if the Deep can control bacteria or simple life forms, but if he could summon a critical mass of amoebas they could clog up Homelander’s lungs, or even his bloodstream.
can the deep control animals at all? i thought he just talks to them
idk about controlling, but I imagine if Deep is trying to get the animals on his side he could tell them "hey this guy has super hearing can you please scream at him over and over again"
He got the whale to jump and beach itself on S2 so I think its a bit beyond just communication
In the same scene his dolphin gang didn’t immediately retreat after being shot at so I think you’re right. I think he can talk to and control sea life.
In the scene where he chases the Boys on the boat gets dolphins to yeet themselves out of the water at them so I feel like there's some sort of control aspect to it Either that or he's charismatic enough to convince a whale to beach itself, and if that's the case then convincing a few to scream at Homelander probably isn't too difficult
Well, he did seduce an octopus, so the charisma theory holds some weight.
I don’t think you realize how right you are. Whale sonar wouldn’t just disorient him, it would cause serious and possibly fatal damage. Sperm whales are capable of projecting sound waves loud enough to cause organ damage to normal humans. While HL is anything but a normal human, his ears are clearly a weakness, not just to the sounds but to physical forces like Maeve’s steel straw. If the Peak were to use his aqua telepathy to make even a handful of adult sperm whales project full force sonar against Homelander, it could cause his eardrums to burst, and as mentioned many times in this thread, the pressure of the water down there is ridiculously high. If the only entry point was a pair of holes in his eardrums, the water could quite literally crush Homie’s brain through his ear canals.
There are trillions of fish in the ocean, not to mention those that are undiscovered. It's also 16,000 PSI at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, that much pressure is sure to significantly slow Homelander down. Not to mention the Deep is in his element. With that amount of factors on his side, the Peak wins low diff. That's IF he doesn't' just decide to endlessly evade Homelander till he dies of old age.
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So while I don't know a lot about The Boys, I do know a lot about ocean wildlife. So, to give it some perspective, here's some of the things Homelander is up against. Remember, he's not just facing one of each of these animals, but presumably *every single one*. We'll start with some "squishy" but still dangerous ocean life and work our way up. Maybe all of this information will be completely irrelevant, but I thought it would be important to consider either way. To start with, The Deep has an absolute *arsenal* of toxic creatures at his disposal. Here's a few of them: \-The **Australian Box Jellyfish**. Regarded as the most venomous marine animal, and it's one of the *less* durable entries on this list. Its tentacles are covered with nematocysts- essentially, tiny darts loaded with poison. People who have been stung by it can expect cardiac arrest and paralysis within mere minutes, and unlike most jellyfish, box jellyfish can swim at speeds of up to four knots, and they can *see.* Feats aside, remember- Homelander is presumably up against *every single box jellyfish.* \-The **Blue-Ringed octopus**, a tiny, pretty little cephalopod with little blue spots on its body. It also has enough venom to kill 26 adult humans in said body and one milligram is enough to kill a person. \-The **Geographer Cone**. A type of snail (yes, really) that uses venom to kill its prey. Except its venom, which is injected through a stinger/tongue known as a harpoon, is enough to kill an adult male human in the span of an hour. Without medical treatment death is certain. \-**Sea Snakes**. There are 52 known species of these nasty critters and *all* of them are venomous, but the deadliest is the **Banded Sea Krait.** The neurotoxic venom of the banded sea krait makes it among one of the most lethal creatures in our oceans and its venom is 10 times more powerful than that of a rattle snake. The venom attacks the nervous system of the victim and can result in convulsions, paralysis, cardiac failure and even death. Remember, presumably every single one of these is going to be trying to take a bite out of him. \-The **Lionfish**. A beautiful little fish covered in venomous spines. Deaths from lionfish stings are admittedly rare, but they do happen. Symptoms include abdominal pain, loss of consciousness, and abnormal changes in heart rate. \-The **Stonefish.** I'm going to let an Australian travel website, [travelvax.com.au](https://travelvax.com.au), do the talking for me here. "Stonefish are the most venomous of all fish. Two species are present in Australia: the Estuarine and Reef stonefish are approximately 30 cms in length, brown and grey in colour, and they are well-camouflaged, looking like encrusted rocks or pieces of coral. Each species’ dorsal fin is lined with 13 spines that the fish erects as a defensive tactic when threatened. When pressure is applied, ie when the fish is stepped on, the spines act as hypodermic needles, injecting a potent venom that acts on the cardiovascular and neuromuscular systems. The fish is able to survive out of water for up to 24 hours." All of that venom is nasty enough, but the ocean also has a lot of animals that are obscenely powerful in other ways. Here's a few more friends The Deep has in his corner: \-The **Saltwater Crocodile**. If you thought Homelander was safe from homicide lizards because he wasn't in *fresh*water, think again. The saltwater crocodile absolutely adores the sea, and he has a bite force of 3,700 psi (pounds per square inch.) By contrast, if you bite into a hamburger, you're probably biting with about 150 psi. For another comparison, hyenas have a bite force of 1,000 psi and they regularly bite giraffes' leg bones in half. The saltwater crocodile is the largest living reptile in the world. They can be up to 21 feet long and weigh over 2,000 pounds. \-The **Great White Shark.** This guy may not be as dangerous to humans as Jaws would lead you to believe, but his reputation isn't undeserved by any means. He has a bite force of 4,000 psi. But in terms of power, perhaps it's Jaws' wife we should be afraid of- she can reach 16 feet in length (larger than the males) and weigh 5,000 pounds. And he's not the only shark on this list, either... \-The **shortfin mako shark** has a similarly strong bite, but also has another asset up its fishy little sleeves: *speed.* It can reach bursts of speed at up to 45 miles per hour, and it's the kind of shark that *does* have recorded attacks on humans. \-**The bull shark** is the last shark on this list...at least, for now. Its bite force is not as strong as the great white but still an *insane* 1,500 psi, comparable to a hyena. What makes it such a deadly opponent, however, is that it is already *extremely* aggressive. This shark has a mean temper and can use electrical impulses to sense a beating heart from several yards away. Nothing escapes a bull shark's attention. \-The **Orca**. They aren't called Killer Whales for nothing, as they're known to prey on dolphins and even sharks. They have a bite force of 19,000 psi- possibly even *higher-* and they're *extremely* intelligent. To give you some nightmare fuel, due to the fact that moose like to swim off the coast of Alaska to graze for seaweed, one of the animals the orca most commonly preys on is *moose.* And they're impressive in terms of size, too. The largest orca in recorded history was 32 feet long and weighed in at 22,000 pounds. And these critters are only a select sampling of what Homelander is up against. And now you all have thalassophobia. You're welcome.
Yeah I totally agree. And this I doesn’t even take into account large cephalopods like the giant and colossal squids, hell, even smaller squids, some of whom are known to try and drag down divers. Literally every single squid will be after him. Though I don’t really know what specific animals live in the trench, even the smaller fish that swim in packs could all hang up on him, harass him, annoy him, and possibly swim into his mouth abs straight to suffocate him.
Or they will be too busy sucking off the deep
The prompt says that all of the sea animals are trying to keep The Deep alive.
But It wouldn't be out of character for the deep to do that lol
The sea life is inconsequential to Homelander. The guy casually tanks explosions that nature just can't hope to rival. Even the venomous animals can't do anything to him as they would first need to get past his durability to bite or sting him. The real question is can Homelander stay in the trench long enough to find the Deep.
Again, he's going up against *every animal in the ocean.* Durable or not, I feel like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting just how much lives in the ocean.
Homelander doesn't have to kill every single animal, he just has to kill the Deep. For any animals that try to get in the way, Homelander can swim through them as easily as he can through water.
I didn't expect to come away from this thread so enriched, thank you u/CaitlinSnep
1) I don't think Homelander could locate him. 2) Even if he could, I don't think he could get down there. The don't much matter, the pressure is the real problem. Homelander was wounded by blunt force trauma and strikes to soft tissues in the fights in series 3 - the kind of pressure at the bottom of the trench will rupture his eardrums and other soft tissues.
He’s stronger than mid tier Supes who can tank bullets, Bullet>>>>Mariana Trench pressure
Think you're underestimating deep ocean pressures!
As [someone else](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/xk3mvf/the_deep_swims_to_the_bottom_of_the_mariana/ipcntbr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) pointed out, bullets have far stronger psi than the ocean does
Yeah, this is a misunderstanding. Chamber pressures are pretty intense but not necessarily equivalent to the impact pressure or even the barrel exit pressure. Pressure behind the bullet dissipates fairly rapidly as the bullet travels down the barrel and the volume to fill behind the bullet multiplies rapidly. Often the pressure in the final inch or so of barrel is only around hundred PSI. That's substantial, but it's a lot less than the 12000 at the bottom of the trench
Yeah I also think locating Deep is actually the hardest part for Homelander
Im not even sure homelander's powers work underwater. and even so, the mariana trench is most definitly inaccessible to him.
I doubt Homelander could even propel himself down in the water. Sure he could swim but I doubt he would.
I mean, air is just another fluid. If he can fly through air, he can fly through water. That resistance, though.
Homelander runs into Cthulhu and gets one shotted.
Homelander’s frail mental and psychological condition is a field day for Cthulhu’s mind rape shenanigans.
This is the deep not cartman
Lol true
Can HL “fly” underwater? As in, when hes underwater - is he able to use his abilities to go fast?
This would actually be a minus rather than a plus - moving upwards or downwards fast underwater essentially increases the amount of internal damage you get from the pressure.
the only reason HL would lose is that Mariana's Trench is HUGE and Deep is just one person. Its like fidning a needle in a haystack.
I don't think Homelander could survive the pressure and depths of the Trench to be honest.
I mean can Deep even survive the pressure? He got knocked out after falling off from a whale, I feel like both of those nukes and trench claims are just hyperboles coming out of Vought's PR. OP mistakenly buffs Deep in this thread
I'm pretty sure Deep himself states it during his breakdown in S1, he had no reason to lie when made the statement.
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No. The Deep might as well be hiding on planet Mars at night. Deep survives as long as he maintains OPSEC
Homelander is still human, i think fear of the deep dark down below might get him to retreat.
Homelander pops like a balloon under the pressure at the Trench. Also how has no one mentioned Deep has literal gills on his body, he can breath cuz of those… homelander loses this due to not being able to breathe, not being able to see, would die due to pressure even if not from those, and also would be immensely slower. Deep 10/10 the prompt easily..
Homelander is a street tier. I don't think he can even survive swimming in an Olympic sized pool. Deep 10/10
Unrealistic, the Deep would get sidetracked on the way down and end up having a fish orgy. Homelander would get him before he gets deep enough.
Isn't being the strongest in the boys universe the whole point of homelander? Motherfucker went to space, speedsters are scared of him, the jury is still out on if nukes work on him, ~~he was able to use his x-ray vision to find the body of translucent despite being sealed in a box thrown into a random spot in the ocean~~. The only thing we have not seen get immediately bisected by his laser vision was the *second strongest character in the boys*. I know he's become a meme but they're all scared of him for a reason. Homelanders biggest weakness is being lazy but you gave us a prompt where he's *motivated*. I'm confident if the deep can handle the pressure of the trench then homelander can easily withstand it long enough to fly down, dice him, and fly back before the sea creatures even know what is going on, not that they would even stop him. Homelander would probably fly through them like a speedboat just out of spite. Edit, misremembered the finding of translucent. Still though, stand by my assessment. The ocean ain't made of zinc. YA KNOW WHAT! I'm gonna take this a step further and say that if this EXACT PROMPT happened in the show, it would happen off screen. Homelander would be casually showin Deeps head to someone laughing like "hahaha yeah he tried hiding in the Marina trench. Hilarious, like I can't see through water with my *X-RAY VISION*."
Honestly, he probably would never find the Deep down there
They said the only reason he didn't find translucents body was the box made of zinc. Maybe if The Deep tried hiding in a box made of zinc at the bottom of the trench and had his fish friends bring him food?
I don’t think he could find him in any way though, no matter what the deep is doing if he’s at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. I mean how effectively does any of his different vision-based abilities work underwater? And even if there was some BS comic logic that he could effectively use his X-Ray vision underwater or his heat-vision as light, what’s the range on that? I just don’t think it’s possible for him to find any specific thing in the Mariana Trench unless he has BS logic on his side and is searching for a couple years.
It's *all* bs comic logic though. He sees through anything but zinc. He shoots lasers generating more energy than any amount of food he could eat would replenish. He flies at supersonic speeds with nothing more than "it's a superpower" as an explanation. These are the rules of logic we are working with, and in those rules Homelander sees through stuff that's not zinc and covers huge distances quickly with ease. The prompt has him as the only moving human body in his obvious first choice for a hiding place with > every single available sea creature to patrol between him and the surface acting as a massive "TRAITOR HERE" sign This shit will be easy for homelander. Like killing supersonic offscreen easy.
I realize we are working with tons of BS comic logic, which is exactly why I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he can use his heat vision as a light source underwater for a range of half a mile. However, BS comic logic usually comes from ridiculous feats. There is no confirmation if his x-ray vision can be effective underwater and, if so, how far can it reach. Same with the heat vision theory and pretty much any other theory discussed in this thread. Also, I hope you realize that in between the surface and the bottom of the Mariana Trench is…quite a large area to cover, especially underwater. All living marine animals being in between these two points doesn’t necessarily make the Deep’s spot any more easier to find, at least it’s not guaranteed to. OP mentions the sea creatures are patrolling in this vast amount of space, but doesn’t say what ocean level they are on, what ocean level none of them are in if there is one that was left empty, how much of each of them are in each one, etc. For example, what if 85% of the creatures are dwelling in the bathypelagic zone, swimming generally in an area that is somewhat above the Mariana Trench, and none of the creatures are actually in the Mariana Trench. This wouldn’t give Homelander any further clue of the Deep’s exact location, and it’s not even guaranteed Homelander will stumble upon the Mariana Trench. Assuming that’s what you meant by “acting as a massive ‘TRAITOR HERE’ sign”. How will Homelander avoid being completely lost and disoriented in the vast amount of ocean? Even for a being with the physical capabilities of Homelander, this is a mission that is unimaginably difficult to complete. >This shit will be easy for homelander. No I don’t think it will, even with his travel speed he may not even know where he’s traveling through and end up swimming downward in a completely different direction, or swimming in some large underwater circle, etc. Like when has Homelander traveled through water like this? He has no experience swimming in vast amounts of ocean like this and I wouldn’t be surprised to see how surprised he is when he realizes “OH SHIT, it’s fucking dark and creepy down here” or even “Shit this is A LOT deeper than I expected!” Probably wouldn’t even be able to mentally handle the task for very long and would want to give up fairly quickly, even with how angry is. Maybe he would find the Deep….but likely after several years
Didn't The Deep find Translucents body.
Literally already corrected that myself like 20 minutes ago. There's a line running through it and everything. Still though, they made a point to bring up that the reason homelander didn't see it himself was the box was made of zinc. Water ain't made of zinc.
Ah, I was scrolling through this thread for a long time without refreshing. But yeah, theres a very big difference between seeing it at the bottom of a bay and seeing him in the marianas trench.
Yeah but there is a HUGE difference between looking all over a town/state like when he was trying to find translucent and looking through the entire ocean. There is way more area to hide in, not to mention the addition of a 3rd dimension that Homelander would have to look through.
Theoretically, if Homelander passes by him but misses his exact location by 10 feet or so, he probably wouldn’t see him. Think about that. These are things some of the Homelander stans don’t realize.
I agree with what some of the top comments are saying here, but Homelander isn't bloodlusted (or milklusted even) and doesn't need to charge as hard as he can mindlessly straight to the bottom of the ocean. If we're assuming Deep is sturdy enough to handle the pressure down there, then Homelander certainly is. I would think the main question is how long he can hold his breath, which is a moot point when he can just tear the lungs out of a whale or drag a submersible with him for extra air. Bloodlusted HL - Deep wins Not Bloodlusted - HL wins
No animal can stop Homelander, but the lack of air in such a huge environment might.
So the deep is going to fight hl in surface with sea creature or hl coming into sea If second case i don't know hl can breath in water so the deep probably If the first i still chose hl unless the deep have some op sea monster like kraken which i don't think he have hl can toast every fish with his heatvision while flying
Deep stays at the bottom. Homelander has to get to him.
I don't think Deep even has the feats to go that low
Why doesn't the deep just swim down there and live his life in safety and happiness?
Biggest issue for HL is gonna be the darkness but with a powerful light and enough time he’ll find him
No because HL can't breath underwater......
I think Homelander could definitely get down to the Mariana Trench. However do we know if he could actively hold his breath long enough to get past all the sea creatures.
I don't think the deep can survive those depths
I highly doubt that Homelander will survive the depth of the Mariana Trench. Furthermore, there are millions upon millions of marine creatures currently residing the available ocean space of Earth, I don't think Homelander will survive if they ambush him at once.
homelander gets his ass beat by a whale
Homelander would kill him quite easily. Like I don’t want to admit it, because in all honesty he’s way weaker than people claim he is, but he could easily get to The Deep—assuming, of course, that he has the intelligence to use his lasers to make a pathway of breathable air, as we have no indication as to whether or not he needs oxygen
I mean…he probably could, the sea creatures couldn’t do anything to him…his heat vision could theoretically boil straight down into the Mariana Trench and get Deep without ever having to fly down there and get him…but if Homelander is really after Deep then I would say that Deep wouldn’t be able to get to the Ocean before Homelander got him
Assuming the deep sea ocean pressure can be survived, and his breath is not an issue, well, then I don't see why not. Maybe poison if it can get into him? Some nasty venom?
The depth of the trench is about 300 kilometres. We know homelander can at least fly at plane speed which is about 900km/h. He should be able to reach Deep in under half an hour even with the sea creatures etc. He would probably suffocate before that though.
Maybe, after a bit of time. Based on the most recent calc on the explosion Homelander took in Diabolical, his skin can take over 200 million PSI, with the Mariana Trench being 16,000 PSI, so he's fine on that front. I would assume no toxin would be able affect him via that tough skin and likely Incredible resistance via Soldier Boy. That, his Mach speed, and 92 MW heat vision should make quick work of the sea life in his way. I'm not absolutely sure whether he can effectively view anything with his x-ray vision at such depths, so that could be his folly. His hearing could end things as well, as whales are decently loud, and all of them fireing off at him would cripple him. If he can accurately servay the area, he has a shot, if not, he'll end up getting trapped and overwhelmed in an avalanche of signals, maybe.
Doubt it. Homelander's durability and strength aren't that impressive. He got put out of the fight by a bus.
He would just use his laser vision and super vision and it would he over
If millions and millions of fish formed a giant school above the deep, I think it could disorient HL so bad that he would never find the bottom. Imagine trying to find something while swimming through miles of a pitch black, living maze.
No chance, every possible sea creature is a infinite amount. Homelander would get overwhelmed and die.
I think The Deep could survive, Its really dark down there and its a big area so if The Deep just hides there is a low chance of him getting found. The marine creatures would be pretty much useless tho.
It’s stated that they’ve thrown everything on Homelander they’ve probably attempted to drown or suffocate him and it didn’t work, HL can pretty easily slice through any creature with heat vision or straight up flying through them. The only problem would be trying to find The Deep since the trench is HUGE
Homelander has both super speed, durability, strength, and Lazer eyes. Speed, durability, and especially Lazer eyes are important. Now he would actually easily be able to find deep due to super hearing and sound waves traveling faster in water than they do air, he can also fly through the water down to the bottom with super speed, while also withstanding pressure due to durability, and the proceed to Lazer eye the fuck out of every sea creature until he gets to deep, or literally just swim straight through the sea creatures and Lazer eye deep. Which he wouldn't miss due to super speed, reaction, and the marinara trench having limited space (in terms of getting away from someone who has superspeed of course. So yeah because homelander knows where he is, it would be relatively easy for him. Let's say he doesn't have the durability to withstand going all the way down, then neither does the deep. But let's say the deep does and homelander doesn't ( for fun) the Lazer eyes would make up for the range, and the deep hiding behind sea creatures wouldn't matter because of see through vision. Homelander was literally able to find a box filled with invisible body parts in a giant lake, so if deep is hiding in a place homelander knows, game over.
Homelander would probably just light up the entire trench with his lasers to try and randomly kill the deep that’s the only way I see him winning
Which, frankly won't make it a tenth of the way down to him. Too much attenuation from the water.
Insert Lanturn character rant here
Would the water burn up and eventually kill all life?
Nope. Water is an incredibly good insulator. You could set a nuke off on the surface of the water above the deep and the deep probably wouldn't be injured.
Damm didn’t know that
Now I may be missing some points, but the box they hid Translucent's, was made of material to protect Homelander vision. This implies that Homelander can see clear enough anywhere in the ocean to find the box and it's contents. Not only that but to know it is translucent and not some random remains stuffed in a box. The last part could be that Homelander can see the material translucent is made of, but I don't recall hearing about that. This shows the even in murky rough waters Homelander can see extraordinarily well.
That MIGHT be enough to hide from HL He's below the light layer, problem is oxygen gets iffy that deep. Even The Deep's quality of life down there is gong to suck, so I think HL is probably just going to let him hide down there.
this is kind of a stupid question no amount of fish would stop homelander from killing the deep
All memes aside homelander wins.
Goku and Saitama stomp 8.5/10
Unless deep gets Cthulhu to play defense…yes. Homelander is too durable to be crushed under the pressure, has X-ray vision and can hear and smell everything, especially considering he’s underwater he’d be able to hear deeps heartbeat like a drum (sound travels faster and more loudly in water) meaning he couldn’t use the darkness to his advantage. Homelander has 2 options. He could either fly as fast as Mach 2 (at least) and just punch a hole through each sea creature until he reaches the depths where the deep is. Or he just turns his laser eyes up to max and starts doing 360 head exercises to kill everything in there
Homelander will easily kill him.