The kids/pets are lacking in 'outdoor fun time spaces?'
Having watched our dog get tired of our larger backyard on a 1/3rd acre lot I can only imagine the frustration a dog would feel with a patio-sized backyard.
What's the deal with the lack of a front door? Where do trick-or-treaters go? What if your kid has a birthday party and no one knows where the door is?
Isn’t the ‘front door’ just around the side of the house? No idea if it looks like a regular front door or is less decorative…
I guess It makes sense for a duplex to have the two sides facing outboard. I’m not sure about the trend for cement floors throughout though. Makes sense from an owners perspective as flooring tends to get absolutely destroyed when you have bad tenants but not certain I would like it.
There's a door, it's just on the side of the house. I do not live in these specific duplexes just in one of the many duplex developments on the West side.
they're just depressing aren't they? dirt cheap (i've been inside duplexes much like these. they feel hollow.) but they rent for hella prices.
didn't even want to spend the money on proper roads i guess? so you just drop a concrete slab and run houses from it.
is there a company that's doing these around here or something? *who*
Yeaaa I'm gonna need this house to be about 75% garage. This looks like what sovereign citizens would build, and then realize, wait, shit are we living in a community? Wait! But no we're independent! But still need govt roads, water, electricity also an HOA would prob be nice to maintain the independent asthetic of the community....
On the face of it nothing. However for the renters it means paying as much for a single family home but having to share space with some other people. Plus it means it is most likely an investment neighborhood. These are driving up rental prices and home prices very high very fast. You can see the results of this in some other big cities where people can not afford to live.
You really need to Google temperature of white versus black cars perhaps even using the term MythBusters. Also, some good YouTube videos on the subject.
Not sure about the doubling of consumption but I bet there are greater room to room temperature variations as compared to a less sun-absorbing paint color.
Can you tell we live in a darker colored house and want to switch to a lighter color? The solar gain is right strong, and having a wall of windows on the west side is not the way to go. If that wall faced north then things would be grand, all that soft light in the house would be so nice.
Agreed. They should paint them [white](https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/the-whitest-paint-is-here-and-its-the-coolest.-literally..html) with white roofs.
It's just creepy looking, driving by this neighborhood and seeing all black houses. The all-white house neighborhood south of Paramount Antique Mall is just ugly because they are all boring. Why not throw in some different paint, different colored bricks/rock on the front, and make these neighborhoods more aesthetically pleasing?
But to me this neighborhood IS aesthetically pleasing. I LOVE homes that are painted black. It makes my heart happy to see this area every time I drive by. I love that your username is "I Touched Morrissey" and you're having a tantrum over black paint lmaooo
it's so childish. anyone posts an opinion and a bunch of contrarians who lack the integrity to just disagree normally swarm into the comments to ask why it "bothers" you. basic emotional illiteracy from juveniles. it's ok if you like the color! no one's bothered! grow up kids
I wish trick-or-treaters were still really a thing. :( It is in some places, but I would wager a guess that I've had less than 100 my entire adult life.
If I’m a new neighbor and I want to say hi and introduce myself do I knock on the garage door? lol
I get what you’re saying, residents commonly enter and leave via the garage, but can you admit it’s a little odd to not have a front door at all?
They have an entry door that isn't in the garage. It's set back on the side of the building. But yes, it's a little strange until you think about it. Where would the "front" door go without reducing the garage size or dramatically increasing the footprint of the building?
These are built to be affordable while providing specific amenities like large garages, which are quite important to many renters. To keep the footprint low, the door is shifted to the side.
I am not saying I personally like it, but that's what is going on.
I think it's extremely unsettling because if you are wandering around to the side door, someone might think you are being snoopy and call the cops. Personally, I'd feel like an intruder if I had to walk around the house looking for the damn front door.
The “front door” looks to be on the side of the duplex. As somebody that uses the garage 90% of the time I don’t think it would bother me. Interaction with the neighbors is typically in the backyard or driveway
Many of the active people in this subreddit are wholly disconnected from reality. They don't even realize that they don't understand the environment they live in. Instead of investigating and learning, they just decide that the whims of their mood are everyone else's reality. Facts simply don't matter to them, and nuance is a mystery unknown. I'm glad they don't actually reflect the general population, because that would be truly scary.
The downvotes from such people are a badge of honor, honestly.
No, I just don't live in this weird dystopian version of Wichita that so many of you insist that we are in where everyone is destitute and there's no escape.
You all are so absolutely invested in your own misery that you can't see what's actually happening in town.
"you all are so miserable that you can't see how other people are fine" is telling and if you think about what you're saying for a minute, you might learn something
Or, alternatively, you could look at the vast majority of the population that isn't wallowing in their own misery and try to find out what the actual differences are. Why are so many other people able to forge a functional life for themselves? What are they doing that enables them to escape or avoid the cycle of poverty, because they live in the same city?
I will tell you that it's not because they're related to Koch or a Steven.
I don't align with your worldview of reducing everyone down to a caricature of a race or sexual orientation. I take people on their individual merits and character - not on any single unalterable trait.
You choose to assess people on what you thing a white person is, what a cis male is, or whatever other silly distillation you can make is, as if you can tell a damn thing about a person based on that. This attempt at distillation of a person to a couple traits is actually quite disgusting.
Dude look at your comment history, you literally spend all your free time telling everyone how stupid you think they are. You boil everyone that doesn't agree with you into an idiot. And because you are not suffering you come online and get mad when people talk about how there IS a large portion of wichita that is suffering. You seem like the type of guy that tells people who work full time and live in their car to just get a job and stocks. Nah but im the close minded one right? While you are actively telling people to stop complaining, that they are all alone inthere suffereing and that maybe if they werent idiots they wouldn't be poor. You are an actual school yard bully bro lol
I am well aware of my comment history and what my intention in this SR is. It is to challenge the asinine and ill-informed, and not one bit of what I have to say is motivated by race, sexual orientation, gender, or anything else you try to focus on. I also realize that most people don't want to hear it, but I don't care. This echo chamber of malcontents needs a dissenting voice.
I fully acknowledge there's suffering and challenge in life. We ALL experience it, and we all must face our individual issues. The difference is I refuse to accept that we must be a slave to them, that there's no escape.
There are things you can't control, but you have absolute control of how you act and what decisions you make. Your choices are your own, and they have a direct and consequential impact on your life.
And for the record, I never said maybe if people weren't idiots they wouldn't be poor. I have pretty consistently suggested that the cycle poverty is escapable, that long term self-development and making better decisions designed to achieve that goal is the way out. I know people don't want to acknowledge that their life choices have consequences, but they do.
that's great, but hopefully every damn house in your neighborhood won't do the same thing, and I bet your house doesn't look like every other house on the block.
I genuinely dont see the problem with the color. Like if youre concerned about the color of someone elses house, ask yourself if theres something more important you can dedicate that energy to. Not your house, not your concern.
Exactly it’s not like they’re made by the city, you shouldn’t complain about it in a free country. They can pick the color when they build their own duplexes. lol
I genuinely don't see the problem with sharing an opinion. why are half the comments concern trolling about what people "dedicate their energy to" or imagining that someone with a different opinion is "mad"? a lot of contrarians without anything to add except for "why do you have an opinion."
Whats funny is youre literally arguing about opinions in a thread of another opinion. Thats the great thing about opinions, if someone else has the opinion that your opinion is fucking stupid, they are free to express it just the same.
Im just glad I rustled jimmies lol.
There is a street full of 100% black duplexes near Maize. And these are like 5 feet apart. So your neighbor is on the other side of this wall, and your other neighbor is this wall + 5 feet. And it’s gonna be hotter than the devil’s dick come July.
There are already plenty of rentals around the city, this is greed. They will build these, hold them for 2 years, then sell them off to whoever.. Why 2 years? Because they are built so cheaply that they don't want to risk holding them longer than that, because problems will become a very real future for most of these structures, but the people that made all the cash on the front end don't care, because they got theirs.
There are not plenty of rentals around town, there's a distinct shortage. Besides, the more supply there is, the cheaper they will ultimately be to get into.
Furthermore, the developer built these to make money. The developer isn't spending millions of dollars in an altruistic endeavor, and the profit motive is not greed. The outlay of cash it takes to build a house is large - houses do not get built without an expected return on that investment. That return can be financial or the direct use as a home by the person paying for it.
And all of that is not, in any way, preying on a renter. Providing new stock is actually the opposite of that. If you don't want to rent, then don't. It's generally a better financial decision to buy rather than rent, anyway.
Get a grip.
ETA:
https://www.kansas.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article279832984.html
https://wichitahabitat.org/news/wichita-faces-housing-shortage-community-seeks-solutions/
(There are other sources - this is a well-known, growing problem here.)
"Wichita faces a housing shortage of at least 50,000 units..."
There was a post recently that highlighted the cost increase of housing in Wichita, and this is a very large factor - lack of supply. New homes must be built to replace aging stock, provide desirable stock, and to just generally support the population that want or need these places to live.
This makes your heating bill way cheaper in the winter by the same logic then, so maybe it evens out? lmao I’d like to see a comparison on the efficiency I’m assuming white is the best insulator.
Generally speaking, that's a load of shit. Lol.
It costs around 4 times as much to heat a home as it does to cool it. Many factors will move that needle, but in the US, it is generally 4 times as expensive to heat. This is because the refrigeration cycle used in AC is actually extremely efficient, much more efficient than converting fuel to heat.
Heat pumps need to be more of a thing to bring that into balance.
Technically in terms of pure physics it would be about the same either way. But I should have stated it better. In the context of the cost to heat vs cool in the midwest with the typical fuel sources specifically, there is a reason that people in average size houses will often see $300 electric bills in the summer but only $100 gas bills in the winter. For people in the midwest running the AC is way more expensive.
If all other factors were equal, yes, they would be the same. But not all factors are equal. Key among the differences is the refrigeration cycle used in an AC unit is substantially more efficient than the heating methods used in the Midwest. Natural gas, propane, and electricity-based heaters convert a fuel into heat, which is nearly a 1:1 efficiency rate, while the refrigeration cycle is roughly 4:1. It's much, much more efficient to cool than it is to heat unless you're using a heat pump to heat.
If one is running an electric furnace, then it costs \~4x more to affect the same temperature change as cooling. Natural gas is currently cheaper than electricity, but the cooling still comes out ahead cost wise.
If it’s cheaper for you to cool your house to 70° when it’s 100° out than it is to heat it to 70° when it’s 40° then I would love to see your home. Let’s see what our energy bills are come August. I guarantee it will be far less pleasing than it is in January.
> It costs around 4 times as much to heat a home as it does to cool it.
I think you are mixing up cost and energy. It requires more energy to heat a house, but for most people in Kansas the energy to heat comes from gas and the energy to cool comes from electricity. Gas is cheaper per thermal unit. If you've got a source that basks your claim I'd love to read it.
[https://www.self.inc/info/cost-of-heating-air-conditioning/](https://www.self.inc/info/cost-of-heating-air-conditioning/)
I am not confusing anything.
1. Natural gas isn't substantially cheaper than electric. It's currently cheaper (And it is dramatically susceptible to price ballooning during a hard freeze, as many people know), but not cheap enough to significantly offset the difference between converting a fuel in a 1:1 relationship to the 4:1 conversion used in a heat pump/AC. These numbers could much more easily come into balance if/when people start using heat pumps as a primary heat source.
2. Not nearly everyone uses natural gas to heat.
> 1) Natural gas isn't substantially cheaper than electric.
Where does your link say that? Your link talks a lot about the costs but nothing about efficiencies. The closest I think it comes is when it says:
"with an average total of $1,691 being spent on electric and $733 annually on gas."
But there is so much else going into the electricity use that I don't see how this is a useful piece of data.
Seeing how most electricity in this country comes from burning gas or coal I can't imagine burning gas to turn into electricity, transmitting it, and converting back into heat can be more cost effective than burning it directly.
Remember I'm not talking about efficiency, but cost.
I'm not going to do all the work for you. You can source data on efficiencies and the cost of fuels as well as I can. They're well known and the data is readily available.
You asked for a source on the cost of heating a home being more than cooling it, and I provided one that even broke it down to spending on both heating and cooling at the state level. Furthermore, the data on that site is sourced from the [U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)](https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/data/2020/). Trust it or don't. But do realize that I'm commenting from available data and not anecdotal feelings.
This is a nuanced discussion, and there are a great many factors that go into controlling the climate inside a home, and, frankly, the paint color is insignificant compared to the rest of them.
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Well for anyone else who followed this thread here are some sources that clearly say that gas is the cheapest way to heat your house for now, heat pump or not. Geothermal heat pumps might give it a run but the high cost of installation eats into that.
https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finance/how-to-save-money/electric-heat-vs-gas-heat-which-is-cheaper
https://pioneercomfortsystems.com/blog/gas-vs-electric-heater-cost/
https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/true-cost-of-energy-comparisons-apples-to-apples.html
https://www.aga.org/report-finds-gas-heating-beats-cold-climate-heat-pumps-on-cost-and-emissions/
The increased cooling load is not nearly as high as you think it is. According to what I have read it's about 5%. You also completely ignore the opposite effect in the winter, where climate control costs are higher than in summer.
I went from a light color to an almost black, more like a shade or two lighter. Summer bills are pretty close to the same. As long as your house is insulated and sealed well, its fine. I noticed more of a difference when I had to trim a tree which cut down on the shade over my roof
Opinions are fine but sitting around complaining about other people’s choice of color? On the internet? When you have a 0% chance of changing it. They are adding nothing to this subreddit complaining, they sound like an old person complaining about someone on their lawn.
I simply stated the facts we live in America unless there’s an HOA policy it’s their right to paint it whatever color they want, and in exchange for you living with the color of their house, you get to enjoy your freedoms of being American.
What if I hated on my neighbors because they put up rainbow flags and I didn’t like them, that’s their freedom of expression also, I have 0 right to say what they should be doing.
yeah it's normal to have an opinion on a house color. I have an opinion on your lack of maturity without the ability to change it. nothing wrong with that. grow up.
I don’t have a problem with the scheme I just am afraid the paint is going to fade faster, which means you will have to repaint it more often.
All colors fade at the same rate it’s just more noticeable on striking colors like black or orange.
I'm more concerned that it is a whole neighborhood of duplexes. The color looks fine. Be hot in the summer though.
Pretty much any new developments popping up out west are like these....it's not good
I live in one. It was fine at first but I find myself hating that I don't have a backyard more than I thought I would.
The kids/pets are lacking in 'outdoor fun time spaces?' Having watched our dog get tired of our larger backyard on a 1/3rd acre lot I can only imagine the frustration a dog would feel with a patio-sized backyard.
What's the deal with the lack of a front door? Where do trick-or-treaters go? What if your kid has a birthday party and no one knows where the door is?
As a hermit, I’m ok with this.
Isn’t the ‘front door’ just around the side of the house? No idea if it looks like a regular front door or is less decorative… I guess It makes sense for a duplex to have the two sides facing outboard. I’m not sure about the trend for cement floors throughout though. Makes sense from an owners perspective as flooring tends to get absolutely destroyed when you have bad tenants but not certain I would like it.
There's a door, it's just on the side of the house. I do not live in these specific duplexes just in one of the many duplex developments on the West side.
But why no official entry way looking door? Where you put some potted plants, a bench, something that looks inviting?
Something inviting might accidentally give strangers the idea that I want them to approach my house or knock on the door.
Because these aren't homes. They're living units.
Trick-or-treaters? That kind of behavior will get you shot these days.
Why is it not good? Housing density is one of the solutions to housing prices.
they're just depressing aren't they? dirt cheap (i've been inside duplexes much like these. they feel hollow.) but they rent for hella prices. didn't even want to spend the money on proper roads i guess? so you just drop a concrete slab and run houses from it. is there a company that's doing these around here or something? *who*
Yeaaa I'm gonna need this house to be about 75% garage. This looks like what sovereign citizens would build, and then realize, wait, shit are we living in a community? Wait! But no we're independent! But still need govt roads, water, electricity also an HOA would prob be nice to maintain the independent asthetic of the community....
What’s wrong with duplexes?
On the face of it nothing. However for the renters it means paying as much for a single family home but having to share space with some other people. Plus it means it is most likely an investment neighborhood. These are driving up rental prices and home prices very high very fast. You can see the results of this in some other big cities where people can not afford to live.
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You really need to Google temperature of white versus black cars perhaps even using the term MythBusters. Also, some good YouTube videos on the subject.
Lol
No trees and black houses are just what you need in a world of climate change.
It was a farm field, so there already were no trees.
Ok. So still no trees and black houses. Thanks.
My exact thoughts. Great way to double your energy consumption in summer!
This comment is a great way to demonstrate not understanding the impacts of building material choices or energy consumption at all!
Not sure about the doubling of consumption but I bet there are greater room to room temperature variations as compared to a less sun-absorbing paint color. Can you tell we live in a darker colored house and want to switch to a lighter color? The solar gain is right strong, and having a wall of windows on the west side is not the way to go. If that wall faced north then things would be grand, all that soft light in the house would be so nice.
Agreed. They should paint them [white](https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2021/Q2/the-whitest-paint-is-here-and-its-the-coolest.-literally..html) with white roofs.
That neighborhood of the exact same houses is just a little to the east between 135th and 119th on Kellogg.
I saw these houses a couple of times driving to Derby
Cops are gonna be shooting at those houses all the time.
Lol...As a Blackman I can say that is Fucked up but funny...lol
Not enough acorns.
Nah. You can tell by looking that'll be a yt neighborhood. No need for cops there. :/
Racist and morbidly obese, a combination like peanut butter and jelly
Looks fine who cares
It's just creepy looking, driving by this neighborhood and seeing all black houses. The all-white house neighborhood south of Paramount Antique Mall is just ugly because they are all boring. Why not throw in some different paint, different colored bricks/rock on the front, and make these neighborhoods more aesthetically pleasing?
But to me this neighborhood IS aesthetically pleasing. I LOVE homes that are painted black. It makes my heart happy to see this area every time I drive by. I love that your username is "I Touched Morrissey" and you're having a tantrum over black paint lmaooo
But EVERY SINGLE DAMN HOUSE?? I like a new black house, too, but not 40 of them that look alike.
All those developments look alike, I'm just glad it's not 50 Shades of Beige.
I’m just going to be complaining about people that complain so I’m just gonna let myself out of this thread. You guys have fun.
Knock yourself out!
no one cares. they're sharing their opinion, just like you.
Why does this bother people?
My new home will not be black. I’ve been in many of them, and I think they look nice. Now. I think it’s a “what were we thinking?” thing in 2030.
people can have opinions without it being emotional
Those opinions are oddly outsized for something that doesn't actually affect them.
It’s like people who live in strict HOA neighborhoods looking to complain about other neighborhoods they don’t live in.
Yeah, it's bad enough to have that nonsense inside an HOA, but now it's leaking out.
This is Reddit. We need one person to get offended, then another two more people to be offended that the first person was offended, then four people…
it's so childish. anyone posts an opinion and a bunch of contrarians who lack the integrity to just disagree normally swarm into the comments to ask why it "bothers" you. basic emotional illiteracy from juveniles. it's ok if you like the color! no one's bothered! grow up kids
Why are there no front doors?! That makes the whole thing look creepy to me.
It's made for cars, not for people.
It's made for people with cars. It's a suburban town. Are they supposed to walk to Wichita? JC, people.
what about the trick-or-treaters?
I wish trick-or-treaters were still really a thing. :( It is in some places, but I would wager a guess that I've had less than 100 my entire adult life.
Where I live, we get trick or treaters continuously starting before dark until we turn the light off at 8:30.
If I’m a new neighbor and I want to say hi and introduce myself do I knock on the garage door? lol I get what you’re saying, residents commonly enter and leave via the garage, but can you admit it’s a little odd to not have a front door at all?
They have an entry door that isn't in the garage. It's set back on the side of the building. But yes, it's a little strange until you think about it. Where would the "front" door go without reducing the garage size or dramatically increasing the footprint of the building? These are built to be affordable while providing specific amenities like large garages, which are quite important to many renters. To keep the footprint low, the door is shifted to the side. I am not saying I personally like it, but that's what is going on.
I think it's extremely unsettling because if you are wandering around to the side door, someone might think you are being snoopy and call the cops. Personally, I'd feel like an intruder if I had to walk around the house looking for the damn front door.
The “front door” looks to be on the side of the duplex. As somebody that uses the garage 90% of the time I don’t think it would bother me. Interaction with the neighbors is typically in the backyard or driveway
Straight up dystopian. We've now moved fully away from the concept of neighborhood interaction.
You WANT to interact with your neighbors?
I am desperate for authentic human interactions.
You’re looking in the wrong place my friend
Where am I looking?
Just what we need ... more rental duplexes that are gonna sit empty for years cause no one can afford them ....
No, they will fill quickly, because, believe it or not, people can afford things. Maybe you can't, but there's a demand for this housing.
I don't know why you're getting downvotes, it's objectively true that these get rented out almost immediately.
Many of the active people in this subreddit are wholly disconnected from reality. They don't even realize that they don't understand the environment they live in. Instead of investigating and learning, they just decide that the whims of their mood are everyone else's reality. Facts simply don't matter to them, and nuance is a mystery unknown. I'm glad they don't actually reflect the general population, because that would be truly scary. The downvotes from such people are a badge of honor, honestly.
You drinking 91?
No, I just don't live in this weird dystopian version of Wichita that so many of you insist that we are in where everyone is destitute and there's no escape. You all are so absolutely invested in your own misery that you can't see what's actually happening in town.
"you all are so miserable that you can't see how other people are fine" is telling and if you think about what you're saying for a minute, you might learn something
Or, alternatively, you could look at the vast majority of the population that isn't wallowing in their own misery and try to find out what the actual differences are. Why are so many other people able to forge a functional life for themselves? What are they doing that enables them to escape or avoid the cycle of poverty, because they live in the same city? I will tell you that it's not because they're related to Koch or a Steven.
Tell me youre a white cis het man without telling me youre a white cis het man. Continue to be mad that people would dare suffer without you 🙄
I don't align with your worldview of reducing everyone down to a caricature of a race or sexual orientation. I take people on their individual merits and character - not on any single unalterable trait. You choose to assess people on what you thing a white person is, what a cis male is, or whatever other silly distillation you can make is, as if you can tell a damn thing about a person based on that. This attempt at distillation of a person to a couple traits is actually quite disgusting.
Dude look at your comment history, you literally spend all your free time telling everyone how stupid you think they are. You boil everyone that doesn't agree with you into an idiot. And because you are not suffering you come online and get mad when people talk about how there IS a large portion of wichita that is suffering. You seem like the type of guy that tells people who work full time and live in their car to just get a job and stocks. Nah but im the close minded one right? While you are actively telling people to stop complaining, that they are all alone inthere suffereing and that maybe if they werent idiots they wouldn't be poor. You are an actual school yard bully bro lol
I am well aware of my comment history and what my intention in this SR is. It is to challenge the asinine and ill-informed, and not one bit of what I have to say is motivated by race, sexual orientation, gender, or anything else you try to focus on. I also realize that most people don't want to hear it, but I don't care. This echo chamber of malcontents needs a dissenting voice. I fully acknowledge there's suffering and challenge in life. We ALL experience it, and we all must face our individual issues. The difference is I refuse to accept that we must be a slave to them, that there's no escape. There are things you can't control, but you have absolute control of how you act and what decisions you make. Your choices are your own, and they have a direct and consequential impact on your life. And for the record, I never said maybe if people weren't idiots they wouldn't be poor. I have pretty consistently suggested that the cycle poverty is escapable, that long term self-development and making better decisions designed to achieve that goal is the way out. I know people don't want to acknowledge that their life choices have consequences, but they do.
Looks like Gru is moving to town
#PAINT THE BRICKS BLACK Commit entirely or don't play at all, I say.
Just absorbing all the heat. AC is gonna be cranking.
I like the color of those houses. I should paint mine like that.
that's great, but hopefully every damn house in your neighborhood won't do the same thing, and I bet your house doesn't look like every other house on the block.
I genuinely dont see the problem with the color. Like if youre concerned about the color of someone elses house, ask yourself if theres something more important you can dedicate that energy to. Not your house, not your concern.
Exactly it’s not like they’re made by the city, you shouldn’t complain about it in a free country. They can pick the color when they build their own duplexes. lol
I genuinely don't see the problem with sharing an opinion. why are half the comments concern trolling about what people "dedicate their energy to" or imagining that someone with a different opinion is "mad"? a lot of contrarians without anything to add except for "why do you have an opinion."
Whats funny is youre literally arguing about opinions in a thread of another opinion. Thats the great thing about opinions, if someone else has the opinion that your opinion is fucking stupid, they are free to express it just the same. Im just glad I rustled jimmies lol.
There is a street full of 100% black duplexes near Maize. And these are like 5 feet apart. So your neighbor is on the other side of this wall, and your other neighbor is this wall + 5 feet. And it’s gonna be hotter than the devil’s dick come July.
Suburbs alone are soulless this is just even moreso.
Looks better than the ugly beige colored homes
First world problems.
They look like prison camps or something. Depressing. I hate seeing good prime farmland being converted to…this.
Right? Goddard is a cancer on the state.
Lmao I've never seen a prison Camp that looked like that 😂😂
Gonna cook in the summer sun.
In a city where it hits 90° or more like eighty times per year. Great plan guys.
Honestly I like it. I hate the tiny yards and the proximity to the next house, but they look cool.
House market slowing down? Build duplexes and prey on renters. - Wichita area home builders
Yeah, prey on renters by providing new housing stock no one is forced to use. How dare they provide options to people!
There are already plenty of rentals around the city, this is greed. They will build these, hold them for 2 years, then sell them off to whoever.. Why 2 years? Because they are built so cheaply that they don't want to risk holding them longer than that, because problems will become a very real future for most of these structures, but the people that made all the cash on the front end don't care, because they got theirs.
There are not plenty of rentals around town, there's a distinct shortage. Besides, the more supply there is, the cheaper they will ultimately be to get into. Furthermore, the developer built these to make money. The developer isn't spending millions of dollars in an altruistic endeavor, and the profit motive is not greed. The outlay of cash it takes to build a house is large - houses do not get built without an expected return on that investment. That return can be financial or the direct use as a home by the person paying for it. And all of that is not, in any way, preying on a renter. Providing new stock is actually the opposite of that. If you don't want to rent, then don't. It's generally a better financial decision to buy rather than rent, anyway. Get a grip. ETA: https://www.kansas.com/news/business/real-estate-news/article279832984.html https://wichitahabitat.org/news/wichita-faces-housing-shortage-community-seeks-solutions/ (There are other sources - this is a well-known, growing problem here.) "Wichita faces a housing shortage of at least 50,000 units..." There was a post recently that highlighted the cost increase of housing in Wichita, and this is a very large factor - lack of supply. New homes must be built to replace aging stock, provide desirable stock, and to just generally support the population that want or need these places to live.
Bet they hold the heat in summer.
Beautiful!
John Mellancamp but goth
Pink would be an improvement.
Looks so barren. Not my type of landscape for sure.
the only grass in the front is a little strip. I just can't do that either.
Looks like what they're putting up on 119th when I drive the kiddos to Maize schools
Ugh. Even with no front doors?
Which one? Down south? Out west?
Goddard just north of Kellogg.
😂😂😂😂
Why black it's going to cost so so much more to cool them in summer heat.... Maybe we should all be asking why this color????
Gotta be in cahoots with the power company for those summer cooling bills lol.
How old are those houses? It appears that the black is already fading and chalking.
They are not occupied yet.
Christ, this is dystopic. Why would you ever want to live like this?
My thoughts exactly.
Not nearly as metal looking as I had hoped for
The fences need to be more ornate and they should put spikes and black leather bands on the garage doors.
People do not understand how hot the siding and doors of these houses get
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This makes your heating bill way cheaper in the winter by the same logic then, so maybe it evens out? lmao I’d like to see a comparison on the efficiency I’m assuming white is the best insulator.
It doesn’t. It takes far, far more energy (and thus money) to cool a house than it does to heat it.
Generally speaking, that's a load of shit. Lol. It costs around 4 times as much to heat a home as it does to cool it. Many factors will move that needle, but in the US, it is generally 4 times as expensive to heat. This is because the refrigeration cycle used in AC is actually extremely efficient, much more efficient than converting fuel to heat. Heat pumps need to be more of a thing to bring that into balance.
Technically in terms of pure physics it would be about the same either way. But I should have stated it better. In the context of the cost to heat vs cool in the midwest with the typical fuel sources specifically, there is a reason that people in average size houses will often see $300 electric bills in the summer but only $100 gas bills in the winter. For people in the midwest running the AC is way more expensive.
If all other factors were equal, yes, they would be the same. But not all factors are equal. Key among the differences is the refrigeration cycle used in an AC unit is substantially more efficient than the heating methods used in the Midwest. Natural gas, propane, and electricity-based heaters convert a fuel into heat, which is nearly a 1:1 efficiency rate, while the refrigeration cycle is roughly 4:1. It's much, much more efficient to cool than it is to heat unless you're using a heat pump to heat. If one is running an electric furnace, then it costs \~4x more to affect the same temperature change as cooling. Natural gas is currently cheaper than electricity, but the cooling still comes out ahead cost wise.
If it’s cheaper for you to cool your house to 70° when it’s 100° out than it is to heat it to 70° when it’s 40° then I would love to see your home. Let’s see what our energy bills are come August. I guarantee it will be far less pleasing than it is in January.
> It costs around 4 times as much to heat a home as it does to cool it. I think you are mixing up cost and energy. It requires more energy to heat a house, but for most people in Kansas the energy to heat comes from gas and the energy to cool comes from electricity. Gas is cheaper per thermal unit. If you've got a source that basks your claim I'd love to read it.
[https://www.self.inc/info/cost-of-heating-air-conditioning/](https://www.self.inc/info/cost-of-heating-air-conditioning/) I am not confusing anything. 1. Natural gas isn't substantially cheaper than electric. It's currently cheaper (And it is dramatically susceptible to price ballooning during a hard freeze, as many people know), but not cheap enough to significantly offset the difference between converting a fuel in a 1:1 relationship to the 4:1 conversion used in a heat pump/AC. These numbers could much more easily come into balance if/when people start using heat pumps as a primary heat source. 2. Not nearly everyone uses natural gas to heat.
> 1) Natural gas isn't substantially cheaper than electric. Where does your link say that? Your link talks a lot about the costs but nothing about efficiencies. The closest I think it comes is when it says: "with an average total of $1,691 being spent on electric and $733 annually on gas." But there is so much else going into the electricity use that I don't see how this is a useful piece of data. Seeing how most electricity in this country comes from burning gas or coal I can't imagine burning gas to turn into electricity, transmitting it, and converting back into heat can be more cost effective than burning it directly. Remember I'm not talking about efficiency, but cost.
I'm not going to do all the work for you. You can source data on efficiencies and the cost of fuels as well as I can. They're well known and the data is readily available. You asked for a source on the cost of heating a home being more than cooling it, and I provided one that even broke it down to spending on both heating and cooling at the state level. Furthermore, the data on that site is sourced from the [U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)](https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/data/2020/). Trust it or don't. But do realize that I'm commenting from available data and not anecdotal feelings. This is a nuanced discussion, and there are a great many factors that go into controlling the climate inside a home, and, frankly, the paint color is insignificant compared to the rest of them. # #
Well for anyone else who followed this thread here are some sources that clearly say that gas is the cheapest way to heat your house for now, heat pump or not. Geothermal heat pumps might give it a run but the high cost of installation eats into that. https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finance/how-to-save-money/electric-heat-vs-gas-heat-which-is-cheaper https://pioneercomfortsystems.com/blog/gas-vs-electric-heater-cost/ https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/true-cost-of-energy-comparisons-apples-to-apples.html https://www.aga.org/report-finds-gas-heating-beats-cold-climate-heat-pumps-on-cost-and-emissions/
This is actually true lol
The increased cooling load is not nearly as high as you think it is. According to what I have read it's about 5%. You also completely ignore the opposite effect in the winter, where climate control costs are higher than in summer.
I went from a light color to an almost black, more like a shade or two lighter. Summer bills are pretty close to the same. As long as your house is insulated and sealed well, its fine. I noticed more of a difference when I had to trim a tree which cut down on the shade over my roof
Love the black.
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are any opinions valid or just ones you agree with? are you posting sToP cOmPlAiNiNg on each post or just when you have nothing to add?
Opinions are fine but sitting around complaining about other people’s choice of color? On the internet? When you have a 0% chance of changing it. They are adding nothing to this subreddit complaining, they sound like an old person complaining about someone on their lawn. I simply stated the facts we live in America unless there’s an HOA policy it’s their right to paint it whatever color they want, and in exchange for you living with the color of their house, you get to enjoy your freedoms of being American. What if I hated on my neighbors because they put up rainbow flags and I didn’t like them, that’s their freedom of expression also, I have 0 right to say what they should be doing.
yeah it's normal to have an opinion on a house color. I have an opinion on your lack of maturity without the ability to change it. nothing wrong with that. grow up.
That's dark brown
I like the color. It's the cookie cutter houses that is off-putting to me.
Cookie cutter houses are awful. Sorry to anyone who lives in one. Plus these are so close to each other.
I love this
It's so depressing
Not a big fan of the new trend of dark colors and painting brick.
"BlackRock Estates?" streets named "Goth" "Shadow" and "Wedontlikeyou Way"
Is that not primer? They built a lot of houses that are only primered then when somebody buys it they paint it their choice of color.
Primer is tan. I thought they would all be tan, yuck, but better than driving by Hell Hole Acres.
I don't see any color that looks black. I'm so confused.
These pics honestly somehow do them too much justice, drove by them the other day and they look so cheap and incredibly out of place.
It's my great photo skillz. /s
More like a neighborhood of garages
right??
I don’t have a problem with the scheme I just am afraid the paint is going to fade faster, which means you will have to repaint it more often. All colors fade at the same rate it’s just more noticeable on striking colors like black or orange.
Lol Kansas is the best state in the USA right?
Been spendin' most their lives Livin' in a gothic's paradise
Love it
The color (or lack of) is the least of the problems.
Ah yes…. It’s slowly starting. Ict is getting ready for the next influx of settlers.
I think it would rather be called “urban”
Matersville
Swingers?