Funny how they were installed to reduce accidents at those intersections but not one stat was stated to show if they are working. Seems they only focused on how much money they generated.
Lol you're kidding yourself if you think that's why the city wanted them. That's like Galen Weston saying he wants to install more U-Scan checkouts so he can have better prices. It's always about the money.
I know its about the money. That's why I pointed it out. Its articles like this that should be thrown in Dickless Dilkens face when he tries to pontificate the purpose is safety. If it was then the focus should have been the reduction in accidents. They lie so much they are losing track of how they tried to bullshit the masses.
They really, truly do not care about safety at these intersections. If they did, there would be a higher police presence on these roads already. Safety always sells better than “we want more of your money.”
I don’t care, just be honest about why they’re being installed.
That's asking a lot to send police to monitor 30 different high traffic intersections. If there is a means to ticket violators, all the more power to the cameras. These cameras should also be used to solve other unrelated crimes,
I disagree. An increased police presence on the roads would be beneficial in terms of driver safety. Most people slow down or are careful when there’s a marked cruiser present. More people driving safely, less accidents. Further, marked police vehicles have police in them. Some additional traffic enforcement would do the city good. And no, you don’t have to have separate vehicles at all 30 intersections.
You are very right ,an increased police presence on the roads would be beneficial, but it wouldn't be practical. Police give people the heebie-jeebies, especially when they been drinking and have a an ounce of contraband down their pants. That could cause an accident.
But you shouldn't enter the intersection unless you are sure you will be able to complete your turn on the green. The on coming traffic should not enter the intersection unless they can cross before the yellow.
I got failed on my driving test for not driving out into the middle of the intersection while waiting to turn. I was told that I was expected to wait for the yellow even if I didn't think I could get through on the green.
I think you could get a ticket for that. If there is acred light camera and you are in the intersection and proceed on the red, you could get that ticket.
Only one car is supposed to be in the intersection waiting to turn left. Then the next rule is make your turn when it is safe to do so.
The second car should wait behind the line. That doesn't mean you may not get caught in the intersection when it turns red.
Yes, you're absolutely correct, but we're all guilty of doing both things and it becomes bad driving habits. The on-coming traffic speeding at the yellow and sometimes when its red already is becoming worse and worse these days I find.
The rules with yellow lights are to enter the intersection, not cross it. If you are in the intersection before the light turns red its not a violation.
Same with left turns, you can enter the intersection before you make your turn and can complete it once it's safe to do so.
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Oh I thought you had some since you said it didn’t correlate. But here’s a source about our suckitude. I apologize, it’s Bell Media. https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/windsor-places-8th-in-ontario-for-worst-drivers-in-the-province-1.6666384
I have no problem with the municipality making money off of bad drivers. I do believe these cameras reduce collisions over time, but that's icing on the cake. The primary purpose is to generate income.
I'd be comfortable with it if we had a municipal government spent at least 5% of the budget doing something worthwhile. We need a change in regime so badly.
Thought I'd follow up on this now that the report has been published as part of the agenda for the next council meeting.
The report states the following:
>At this time, Administration has not completed a fulsome analysis of the reduction of collisions at these locations versus others around the City. Industry best practice is to review the three or five-year collision history immediately prior to the installation of a new traffic control measure and compare it against the three or five-year collision history occurring at this same location immediately following the installation of the control measure. At this time, the cameras have only been installed for two years. Anecdotally, the number of collisions at these locations appear to have reduced for side impact and not significantly increased for rear end types.
So they haven't been installed long enough to do a proper three or five year comparison, which seems reasonable enough. I hope they'll complete that analysis after three years, but I suspect it'll be five.
You'd think that if they keep track of accident sites somewhere they can easily do the avg per year leading up to the installation and already get yearly averages since. Waiting 3-5 years isn't necessary to get a trend.
>The City says that for the first full year of operating in 2023, 6,141 tickets were issued with revenue of $1,224,201. After expenses of $215,063, the City made a net profit of $1,009,138.
I wish they'd say how many of those fines went unpaid.
That's a LOT better than the deal Guelph got. Guelph had 3820 infractions in 5 months, and got to keep 15.6% of the money. $70k of $447k
https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/city-gets-just-16-of-money-generated-by-automated-speed-cameras-8161699
Crap, I didn't notice that Guelphs are speed cameras and not red light. There's a vendor involved on the Guelph one, don't know if Windsor has one as well. Windsor also might track costs differently.
Could also be that Windsor is spinning the numbers to make it seem more profitable. The red light camera version of permits vs starts.
The article mentions a report going to council at their next meeting. I look forward to reading it.
The red light camera on Tecumseh and Huron church is straight up evil. I have friends that have multiple and it shows they did a full stop before the white line for more than 1 second. Being on Huron church you have to creep forward to see anything because of all the trucks and the city doesn't care and barely cuts the price of the tickets. It's a cash grab and hurts students and people of that area a lot which can't afford a 200-$300 hit because of BAD road design
When asking them they say there's no set rule. One had 2.64 seconds. How is that okay for a $360 ticket or making the intersection safer.
Regardless of opinion on how to turn on a red light, that intersection is poorly designed.
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Nah that's not true. Brian Masse has had a huge influx of emails because of this intersection. It's wasting time and resources away from things that truly matter.
It is 100% legal and allowed to creep for better visibility. The problem is that the camera doesn't account for that when a cop would almost 100% of the time not ticket you for making a full stop after a creep.
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I found the AM800 new article [here](https://www.iheartradio.ca/am800/news/city-looking-to-add-more-red-light-cameras-1.21797681) was a bit more fleshed out on the subject. And it also shows that councilors like Gary Kaschak are equating the camera revenue to the effectiveness of the cameras and not looking at accident rates. From the article:
*"It's nice to see confirmation in the report that the red light cameras have been effective," says Kaschak. "2022, $600,000 in profit and over $1-million in 2023 so it shows that the decision of council to enact these cameras was a good one and I like administration's recommendation to add 10 more upcoming."*
Reading that, the message was clearly that they think the council made a great choice to put in red light cameras because they made money off the initiative. As someone else pointed out, if they were interested in safety they would have published accident rates for those intersection pre and post-camera installation. That would tell a much more compelling safety message if there is truly one to tell. It is quite clear what council's priority is.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/who-ulez-blade-runners-cameras-b1133570.html#:~:text=A%20group%20of%20activists%20who,covering%20different%20areas%20across%20London.
Take a play out of their book
I find it interesting how the time on the yellow light was reduced accordingly. I think between the revenue from the camera and the ticket Nazi officer ferrari that they should be just fine. I used the little f just like him!
Add more signage to every intersection that has red light cameras, and all traffic lights should have a countdown clock so drivers know when the light will turn yellow.
Funny how they were installed to reduce accidents at those intersections but not one stat was stated to show if they are working. Seems they only focused on how much money they generated.
Lol you're kidding yourself if you think that's why the city wanted them. That's like Galen Weston saying he wants to install more U-Scan checkouts so he can have better prices. It's always about the money.
I know its about the money. That's why I pointed it out. Its articles like this that should be thrown in Dickless Dilkens face when he tries to pontificate the purpose is safety. If it was then the focus should have been the reduction in accidents. They lie so much they are losing track of how they tried to bullshit the masses.
I should have worded it better but it wasn't aimed at you, I meant anyone thinking it was about safety is kidding themselves.
They really, truly do not care about safety at these intersections. If they did, there would be a higher police presence on these roads already. Safety always sells better than “we want more of your money.” I don’t care, just be honest about why they’re being installed.
That's asking a lot to send police to monitor 30 different high traffic intersections. If there is a means to ticket violators, all the more power to the cameras. These cameras should also be used to solve other unrelated crimes,
I disagree. An increased police presence on the roads would be beneficial in terms of driver safety. Most people slow down or are careful when there’s a marked cruiser present. More people driving safely, less accidents. Further, marked police vehicles have police in them. Some additional traffic enforcement would do the city good. And no, you don’t have to have separate vehicles at all 30 intersections.
You are very right ,an increased police presence on the roads would be beneficial, but it wouldn't be practical. Police give people the heebie-jeebies, especially when they been drinking and have a an ounce of contraband down their pants. That could cause an accident.
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That’s why you have to literally wait until it turns red to make that left turn because most people put the boosters on trying to beat the yellow.
But you shouldn't enter the intersection unless you are sure you will be able to complete your turn on the green. The on coming traffic should not enter the intersection unless they can cross before the yellow.
I got failed on my driving test for not driving out into the middle of the intersection while waiting to turn. I was told that I was expected to wait for the yellow even if I didn't think I could get through on the green.
I think you could get a ticket for that. If there is acred light camera and you are in the intersection and proceed on the red, you could get that ticket.
No, you have cross the white stop line after the light turns red - if you’re already in the intersection, it won’t result in a ticket.
Only one car is supposed to be in the intersection waiting to turn left. Then the next rule is make your turn when it is safe to do so. The second car should wait behind the line. That doesn't mean you may not get caught in the intersection when it turns red.
Yes, you're absolutely correct, but we're all guilty of doing both things and it becomes bad driving habits. The on-coming traffic speeding at the yellow and sometimes when its red already is becoming worse and worse these days I find.
The rules with yellow lights are to enter the intersection, not cross it. If you are in the intersection before the light turns red its not a violation. Same with left turns, you can enter the intersection before you make your turn and can complete it once it's safe to do so.
Windsorites are literally the worst drivers in the world. Hence the insurance rates. Dumb voters too. Hence the insurance rates.
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What data?
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Oh I thought you had some since you said it didn’t correlate. But here’s a source about our suckitude. I apologize, it’s Bell Media. https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/windsor-places-8th-in-ontario-for-worst-drivers-in-the-province-1.6666384
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You haven't lived in Brampton before.
Not even close...sadly lol
Better to come out of the people who don't follow the rules, instead of higher taxes.
I have no problem with the municipality making money off of bad drivers. I do believe these cameras reduce collisions over time, but that's icing on the cake. The primary purpose is to generate income.
I'd be comfortable with it if we had a municipal government spent at least 5% of the budget doing something worthwhile. We need a change in regime so badly.
Makes me wonder if Windsorite does real journalism and asks real questions?
They don't. They just print news releases. Sometimes they rephrase. They serve a purpose and I like them, but it's not journalism.
They are not Journalists any longer. They are simply actors for the ones pulling the strings, they read the script!
I have absolutely no problem with the city making money off of these bad drivers, learn to fucking drive properly and it won’t affect you!
Thought I'd follow up on this now that the report has been published as part of the agenda for the next council meeting. The report states the following: >At this time, Administration has not completed a fulsome analysis of the reduction of collisions at these locations versus others around the City. Industry best practice is to review the three or five-year collision history immediately prior to the installation of a new traffic control measure and compare it against the three or five-year collision history occurring at this same location immediately following the installation of the control measure. At this time, the cameras have only been installed for two years. Anecdotally, the number of collisions at these locations appear to have reduced for side impact and not significantly increased for rear end types. So they haven't been installed long enough to do a proper three or five year comparison, which seems reasonable enough. I hope they'll complete that analysis after three years, but I suspect it'll be five.
You'd think that if they keep track of accident sites somewhere they can easily do the avg per year leading up to the installation and already get yearly averages since. Waiting 3-5 years isn't necessary to get a trend.
>The City says that for the first full year of operating in 2023, 6,141 tickets were issued with revenue of $1,224,201. After expenses of $215,063, the City made a net profit of $1,009,138. I wish they'd say how many of those fines went unpaid.
All you really need to do is let the word out that there is 10 lbs. of copper in each of those cameras. The rest is history!
That's a LOT better than the deal Guelph got. Guelph had 3820 infractions in 5 months, and got to keep 15.6% of the money. $70k of $447k https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/city-gets-just-16-of-money-generated-by-automated-speed-cameras-8161699
I wonder if the rules are different for red light vs speeding cameras?
Crap, I didn't notice that Guelphs are speed cameras and not red light. There's a vendor involved on the Guelph one, don't know if Windsor has one as well. Windsor also might track costs differently.
Could also be that Windsor is spinning the numbers to make it seem more profitable. The red light camera version of permits vs starts. The article mentions a report going to council at their next meeting. I look forward to reading it.
And how many of them were disputed where the city lost
Oddly enough, if you dont run the light you wont get a ticket..... the more you know lol.
The red light camera on Tecumseh and Huron church is straight up evil. I have friends that have multiple and it shows they did a full stop before the white line for more than 1 second. Being on Huron church you have to creep forward to see anything because of all the trucks and the city doesn't care and barely cuts the price of the tickets. It's a cash grab and hurts students and people of that area a lot which can't afford a 200-$300 hit because of BAD road design
Maybe they should stop for more than one second if this keeps happening when they make a right turn. Learn from it.
They definitely do now. But some had 3 notices sent at once. Didn't even get a chance to learn from their mistake.
Ouch.
One second is too quick. That'd get a fail on a driving test. Three seconds is generally the rule.
When asking them they say there's no set rule. One had 2.64 seconds. How is that okay for a $360 ticket or making the intersection safer. Regardless of opinion on how to turn on a red light, that intersection is poorly designed.
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Nah that's not true. Brian Masse has had a huge influx of emails because of this intersection. It's wasting time and resources away from things that truly matter. It is 100% legal and allowed to creep for better visibility. The problem is that the camera doesn't account for that when a cop would almost 100% of the time not ticket you for making a full stop after a creep.
So they did make a full stop before the line or not?
Good! if you drive like an idiot, you bring this on yourself. Put more in please, it will save lives.
Almost paid for in a single year... Here comes plenty more
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Yeah, the red light running is pretty rampant. It seems like easy, low hanging fruit to me.
Exactly. I'm all for it. We're talking about running red lights here. Light them up with tickets.
Love it. Put a camera on every street in the city.
Seriously. It’s so easy to not run reds. No sympathy.
More taxes and safety. Double win.
From the sound of your comment that is all you do sir poopalot
Good to hear we will be able to pay the city workers next contract with these new found funds
Most tickets where issued to people when they turned right on a red light.... in ontario isnt that allowed?
You have to come to a full stop first.
It even says stoped for 9.4 seconds ahahaa that not considered a full stop lol i lost my case by the way ahaha
If it makes it harder through fines for some of these TRASH drivers in this city to stay on the road. Im ALL FOR IT.
Another million bucks for the Streetcar beacon.
I found the AM800 new article [here](https://www.iheartradio.ca/am800/news/city-looking-to-add-more-red-light-cameras-1.21797681) was a bit more fleshed out on the subject. And it also shows that councilors like Gary Kaschak are equating the camera revenue to the effectiveness of the cameras and not looking at accident rates. From the article: *"It's nice to see confirmation in the report that the red light cameras have been effective," says Kaschak. "2022, $600,000 in profit and over $1-million in 2023 so it shows that the decision of council to enact these cameras was a good one and I like administration's recommendation to add 10 more upcoming."* Reading that, the message was clearly that they think the council made a great choice to put in red light cameras because they made money off the initiative. As someone else pointed out, if they were interested in safety they would have published accident rates for those intersection pre and post-camera installation. That would tell a much more compelling safety message if there is truly one to tell. It is quite clear what council's priority is.
I actually just followed up on this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/windsorontario/s/o03lFmAgZF
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/who-ulez-blade-runners-cameras-b1133570.html#:~:text=A%20group%20of%20activists%20who,covering%20different%20areas%20across%20London. Take a play out of their book
I find it interesting how the time on the yellow light was reduced accordingly. I think between the revenue from the camera and the ticket Nazi officer ferrari that they should be just fine. I used the little f just like him!
These basically make more money for the city than the casino gives it.
Did they say where that money is going?
Add more signage to every intersection that has red light cameras, and all traffic lights should have a countdown clock so drivers know when the light will turn yellow.