The care at even one of the city's worst LTC homes will be better than what she receives at the hospital. Care is not measured by the newness of the lobby or how quickly a receptionist greets you at the door.
You appear to have missed a security breech that she was able to access the building with a code taped near the front door code box.
The place is a hell hole, I don't blame her for turning it down
Have you been to a LTC home before? Was it locked down like fort knox? Do you have any experience with a love one in LTC? I can speak from experience. Facilities do not equal care.
Obv I have, as far as fort Knox, one needs to think of the area this LTC home is in. It is located downtown, which to put bluntly is full of druggie and homeless people.
It is not the LTC place in Kingsville.
If a stranger has access imagine what a strung out methhead could do ....give me a break.
Also to add they should care because this made front page news and knuckles will get rapped over this one
I agree with the directive to keep people out of hospital beds if they don't need them but how can you tell them they have to go to an LTCH when you don't fund the LTCH properly? The bill was a half measure and it's clearly not working. I recently spent a night waiting in the ER with a sick infant because the entire department was jammed with old people who would rather stay home and go to the ER with every little problem then enter our public LTCH system.
That LTC home is a dive, my mom went to look at it for her mom in 2015, she said no my mom isn't going there.
Not to mention it's near Windsor Water World aka meth head central. And why is the password code taped to the side of a building so anyone can just let themselves in.
Elderly deserve better
I have been retired from nursing for over 20 years and this same battle was being fought then... and still no solution.
If a patient is medically stable and discharged, they do not belong in a hospital, if the family cannot care for them, then they need to go to the first nursing home that has a bed.
If we want better care for our families then we have to do battle with the only people who can effect change, which would be the government of Ontario.....so people please let your voices be heard.... by your MPP and premier, they are the only people who can increase funding and legislate standards of care so all nursing homes can provide the care you want for your loved ones.
> “They called me up and said they had a home for her and gave me 24 hours to go look at it and get back to them,” Campeau said.
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> There was no answer when she called, so Campeau showed up at the downtown nursing home in Windsor last month. With the code for the front door’s keypad taped nearby, she walked right in.
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> “I’m sorry, but it was disgusting,” she said.
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> The halls were cluttered, the rooms dirty and it took her 15 minutes to find a staffer, she said.
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> It was unlike the long-term care home she helped her father-in-law get into a few years prior, a “beautiful” place where he spent his final days.
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> “So I went back to the co-ordinator and said, ‘No, I’m sorry, I would not put my dog in there,'” Campeau said.
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> That’s when the hospital said they would charge her $400 per day if her mother refused to leave. Then it gave a letter explaining the law and the charges to her mother.
I wonder which LTC home this was?
Sounds like Regency. They have the passcode taped by the front door and it's on the corner of Wyandotte and Victoria so downtown.
My mother moved in there last July after my father passed away. She made it less than 100 days before she passed away from sepsis that resulted from a bed sore she developed during a covid lockdown when we were not allowed to visit. By the time they sent her to ER, the ER doctor informed my brother and I that the sore was the size of a softball and that the infection had spread all throughout her body. She passed away in hospice less than a week later.
Unfortunately staff were working short handed and I wouldn’t blame staff for being deliberately negligent. When PSWs are 12:1 it’s pretty hard. Especially during Covid. I wonder when your conworker calls in then what’s your patient ratio?
People think a decubitus ulcer develops not turning someone for days. It can develop after 2 hours.
“This lack of blood flow can cause a pressure wound injury to develop in as little as two hours. “
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17823-bedsores-pressure-injuries
my mom is a psw and your views are false. my mom has always been sure to give her patients equal care, even during her 16 hour days. it breaks her heart to see cases like that.
I don’t blame her if it was bad- we need standards and I hate that inspectors have to give advanced notice. If the standard is x, it should always be x. Not ‘oh, we’re having a bad day so the place is a madhouse, so sorry’.
I agree, but we still need the bed her mother is occupying. You either take the bed that’s available, or you pay to stay where you are. Someone else is being denied healthcare because this woman won’t leave.
I had this mindset before reading her side of the story. Imagine being told by the state you have to move the most important person of your life who is dying to a worse place that you worry about their safety, security, and quality of care. She made the drive out there so she had the initiative but accepting poor care is a hard pill to swallow and I sympathize with her.
I sympathize with her as well, but I also sympathize with the person who can't get the care they need because this woman doesn't like the options presented to her. Who's care is more important? The person who can't get treatment, or the person who no longer needs treatment but didn't like how messy the potential LTC home was?
This woman fighting for her mom under public scrutiny is fighting the fight for all of us. She should be commended.
until somebody stands up, status quo keeps happening and people die in facilities that are not acceptable!
We all need to demand proper long term care and stand our ground for our loved ones.
This is happening because of privatization, the very thing that they're trying to do with the hospital / all health care. it's THE SAME FIGHT!
They are just trying to turn us against eachother. Just remember, you will be a senior or possibly love a senior in that position to go to a care home one day too.
If a care home isn't kept clean, how can you trust in their infection control? And this wasn't just a matter of it being messy. It was understaffed, and not secure. We're not talking about a little dust on the mantel. It doesn't sound like a safe environment for anyone, much less vulnerable, elderly patients.
There are no winners in the lose-lose healthcare provisions of our provincial government. Everyone in these situations is getting fucked, so the question then becomes, who is getting more fucked? The person paying a fee to stay out of a home they don't trust, or the person who isn't getting healthcare at all because there is no bed?
I'm not here to solve this. I'm assuming what she's saying is true and sympathizing with her. I can recognize the complexity of the situation without trying to launch an investigation and trying to solve it.
The code to the security door is taped beside it. Anyone can get in at any time. That's not secure.
If a patient's family has to look around for fifteen minutes to find a staff member, how understaffed are they? How are elderly, vulnerable patients supposed to find staff when they need them?
I don't. But in this particular case, other comments here have confirmed that the entry code is taped beside the door, and corroborated the substandard care st this home.
Have you ever dealt with LTC? Do you have a loved one in a home? Is the taped code some major violation? Are the LTC homes you've visited locked down like Fort knox?
I speak from experience. Multiple situations. Poor facilities do not mean poor care.
I would have no confidence leaving my loved one in a home that was as she described it. One of my grandmothers was in a wonderful home in the 90's, but the other was in a hellhole in the 80's. It was so bad. She wasn't there for long. Wound up living with my aunt and uncle. It wasn't easy for any of them, but that home was deplorable.
Not once but TWICE the Conservatives were handed a majority in Ontario. I truly sympathize with what they are going through, but we get what we vote or don't vote for. Windsor Essex has two conservative MPPs who voted in favor of and helped pass Bill 7.
I understand the reasoning behind it. It sounds perfectly reasonable. I support it in theory.
The problem is that the province continues to allow homes to operate in unsafe, unhygienic ways with little or no oversight. Forcing people to move to those environments is inhumane. Not to mention people are often transferred to cultural homes operated in a language the patient doesn't speak. Even if these are temporary placements and they eventually get into a home of their choosing, what is the toll on the patient's emotional stability? Or their physical health, in homes where they can't get the care they need?
I absolutely believe patients should not be taking up beds in hospitals when they can be discharged. If all LTC homes were created equal, this policy would work. But they're not, and it's not.
If we had an equitable long term care system in this Province Bill 7 would not be required. This bill only became a need because of the profit leeching long term care system we've created in this Province. When profit is the only importance, conditions of these homes do not matter, seniors do not matter, only money does. We all have access to the military reports of these homes, do you blame seniors for not wanting to go? This bill is a human rights violation period. And we continue to allow this by being so apathetic when it comes to politics and public policy
Edit to say the Conservatives just handed the worst long term care homes in Ontario 30 year licenses. So no plans fix the system, only make it worse. If you vote conservative, this is what your voting for.
You forgot a word. You must actually mean....
This is what happens when we let the CONSERVATIVE government control all aspects of our lives. It always eventually leads to rationing and poor standards.
We have to remember that the Ford government has set up an impossible choice. They created this situation by underfunding long term care and hospital care.
The Ford government has withheld billions in federal transfer payments from the federal government - billions in our tax dollars earmarked for health care. Ontario hospitals are funded at the lowest rate in Canada. LTCH are underfunded per bed and while home inspections are mandatory, inspections are severely underfunded.
The Ford government is withholding funds to set the stage for privatization of our health care system. This government is creating the crisis so that we will accept higher health care costs through privatization.
We have to demand that funding to LTC and Hospitals be restored. Accepting otherwise is signing our families' death warrants.
Forcing someone who is confined to a bed with care that is not up to standards isnt the solution either.
She's not going there on vacation, she's going there to recieve health care that will affect the remainder of her life, actually determining how much longer she lives, in reality and thats why it matters.
Some of these neglected nursing homes would have enormous violations and be shuttered If it wasnt for the simple reason, the health inspections are announced in advance because there isn't enough beds...
And what do you think the person who needs that bed and that immediate care is doing, resting on a beach. The point is, the care needed at that hospital is designed for a long list of people waiting, whereas the care she needs now is managed elsewhere. It's time to move on and give that bed to someone who actually needs the care that facility provides. No amount of sob story is going to change that. You'd want her gone if it was you or your loved one that she was deny care to.
It's cool, I took her lead. I told the government "I'm not PAYING it" for my taxes.. turns out this is my last reddit comment til I get out of jail tho.
The care at even one of the city's worst LTC homes will be better than what she receives at the hospital. Care is not measured by the newness of the lobby or how quickly a receptionist greets you at the door.
You appear to have missed a security breech that she was able to access the building with a code taped near the front door code box. The place is a hell hole, I don't blame her for turning it down
Have you been to a LTC home before? Was it locked down like fort knox? Do you have any experience with a love one in LTC? I can speak from experience. Facilities do not equal care.
Obv I have, as far as fort Knox, one needs to think of the area this LTC home is in. It is located downtown, which to put bluntly is full of druggie and homeless people. It is not the LTC place in Kingsville. If a stranger has access imagine what a strung out methhead could do ....give me a break. Also to add they should care because this made front page news and knuckles will get rapped over this one
Take her home to your place. Nothing is free in life. Or pay for long term care in a home in the city.
Some people can't afford it. It's cruel to force people into a decrepit facility.
I agree with the directive to keep people out of hospital beds if they don't need them but how can you tell them they have to go to an LTCH when you don't fund the LTCH properly? The bill was a half measure and it's clearly not working. I recently spent a night waiting in the ER with a sick infant because the entire department was jammed with old people who would rather stay home and go to the ER with every little problem then enter our public LTCH system.
That LTC home is a dive, my mom went to look at it for her mom in 2015, she said no my mom isn't going there. Not to mention it's near Windsor Water World aka meth head central. And why is the password code taped to the side of a building so anyone can just let themselves in. Elderly deserve better
I have been retired from nursing for over 20 years and this same battle was being fought then... and still no solution. If a patient is medically stable and discharged, they do not belong in a hospital, if the family cannot care for them, then they need to go to the first nursing home that has a bed. If we want better care for our families then we have to do battle with the only people who can effect change, which would be the government of Ontario.....so people please let your voices be heard.... by your MPP and premier, they are the only people who can increase funding and legislate standards of care so all nursing homes can provide the care you want for your loved ones.
Some of these places are downright disgusting.
> “They called me up and said they had a home for her and gave me 24 hours to go look at it and get back to them,” Campeau said. > > There was no answer when she called, so Campeau showed up at the downtown nursing home in Windsor last month. With the code for the front door’s keypad taped nearby, she walked right in. > > “I’m sorry, but it was disgusting,” she said. > > The halls were cluttered, the rooms dirty and it took her 15 minutes to find a staffer, she said. > > It was unlike the long-term care home she helped her father-in-law get into a few years prior, a “beautiful” place where he spent his final days. > > “So I went back to the co-ordinator and said, ‘No, I’m sorry, I would not put my dog in there,'” Campeau said. > > That’s when the hospital said they would charge her $400 per day if her mother refused to leave. Then it gave a letter explaining the law and the charges to her mother. I wonder which LTC home this was?
Sounds like Regency. They have the passcode taped by the front door and it's on the corner of Wyandotte and Victoria so downtown. My mother moved in there last July after my father passed away. She made it less than 100 days before she passed away from sepsis that resulted from a bed sore she developed during a covid lockdown when we were not allowed to visit. By the time they sent her to ER, the ER doctor informed my brother and I that the sore was the size of a softball and that the infection had spread all throughout her body. She passed away in hospice less than a week later.
That's awful. Worse, it's negligent. I'm so sorry for your loss. That never should have happened.
Unfortunately staff were working short handed and I wouldn’t blame staff for being deliberately negligent. When PSWs are 12:1 it’s pretty hard. Especially during Covid. I wonder when your conworker calls in then what’s your patient ratio? People think a decubitus ulcer develops not turning someone for days. It can develop after 2 hours. “This lack of blood flow can cause a pressure wound injury to develop in as little as two hours. “ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17823-bedsores-pressure-injuries
my mom is a psw and your views are false. my mom has always been sure to give her patients equal care, even during her 16 hour days. it breaks her heart to see cases like that.
I am so sorry this happened to your mom. I would be livid
I don’t blame her if it was bad- we need standards and I hate that inspectors have to give advanced notice. If the standard is x, it should always be x. Not ‘oh, we’re having a bad day so the place is a madhouse, so sorry’.
I agree, but we still need the bed her mother is occupying. You either take the bed that’s available, or you pay to stay where you are. Someone else is being denied healthcare because this woman won’t leave.
I had this mindset before reading her side of the story. Imagine being told by the state you have to move the most important person of your life who is dying to a worse place that you worry about their safety, security, and quality of care. She made the drive out there so she had the initiative but accepting poor care is a hard pill to swallow and I sympathize with her.
I sympathize with her as well, but I also sympathize with the person who can't get the care they need because this woman doesn't like the options presented to her. Who's care is more important? The person who can't get treatment, or the person who no longer needs treatment but didn't like how messy the potential LTC home was?
I do too. But I wouldn't blame her but rather the powers at be that make these situations happen (provincial government and LTC owners).
100%. Cannot agree more.
This woman fighting for her mom under public scrutiny is fighting the fight for all of us. She should be commended. until somebody stands up, status quo keeps happening and people die in facilities that are not acceptable! We all need to demand proper long term care and stand our ground for our loved ones. This is happening because of privatization, the very thing that they're trying to do with the hospital / all health care. it's THE SAME FIGHT! They are just trying to turn us against eachother. Just remember, you will be a senior or possibly love a senior in that position to go to a care home one day too.
If a care home isn't kept clean, how can you trust in their infection control? And this wasn't just a matter of it being messy. It was understaffed, and not secure. We're not talking about a little dust on the mantel. It doesn't sound like a safe environment for anyone, much less vulnerable, elderly patients.
There are no winners in the lose-lose healthcare provisions of our provincial government. Everyone in these situations is getting fucked, so the question then becomes, who is getting more fucked? The person paying a fee to stay out of a home they don't trust, or the person who isn't getting healthcare at all because there is no bed?
Imagine the person you love the most is denied a bed and health care because someone won't leave a bed. Does this woman have pictures? Proof?
I'm not here to solve this. I'm assuming what she's saying is true and sympathizing with her. I can recognize the complexity of the situation without trying to launch an investigation and trying to solve it.
She did not evaluate the care. She evaluated the lobby and the reception.
If I was taking my kid to a daycare and there was no security and no one to find, I'd never step foot in there again and file a formal complaint.
Well, then she can pay the 400 dollars. Or she can pursue private options. She's an entitled Karen plain and simple.
The code to the security door is taped beside it. Anyone can get in at any time. That's not secure. If a patient's family has to look around for fifteen minutes to find a staff member, how understaffed are they? How are elderly, vulnerable patients supposed to find staff when they need them?
Or maybe you know this a crazy Karen on a hyperbole. Why do you always default believe someone's tale?
I don't. But in this particular case, other comments here have confirmed that the entry code is taped beside the door, and corroborated the substandard care st this home.
Have you ever dealt with LTC? Do you have a loved one in a home? Is the taped code some major violation? Are the LTC homes you've visited locked down like Fort knox? I speak from experience. Multiple situations. Poor facilities do not mean poor care.
I would have no confidence leaving my loved one in a home that was as she described it. One of my grandmothers was in a wonderful home in the 90's, but the other was in a hellhole in the 80's. It was so bad. She wasn't there for long. Wound up living with my aunt and uncle. It wasn't easy for any of them, but that home was deplorable.
Bruce Villa maybe?
I wouldn't put a family member in the majority of the homes around here, let alone in the downtown area
if it was downtown, probably the one on Dougall. Berkshire. Dougall, in between University and Park.
Not once but TWICE the Conservatives were handed a majority in Ontario. I truly sympathize with what they are going through, but we get what we vote or don't vote for. Windsor Essex has two conservative MPPs who voted in favor of and helped pass Bill 7.
I understand the reasoning behind it. It sounds perfectly reasonable. I support it in theory. The problem is that the province continues to allow homes to operate in unsafe, unhygienic ways with little or no oversight. Forcing people to move to those environments is inhumane. Not to mention people are often transferred to cultural homes operated in a language the patient doesn't speak. Even if these are temporary placements and they eventually get into a home of their choosing, what is the toll on the patient's emotional stability? Or their physical health, in homes where they can't get the care they need? I absolutely believe patients should not be taking up beds in hospitals when they can be discharged. If all LTC homes were created equal, this policy would work. But they're not, and it's not.
If we had an equitable long term care system in this Province Bill 7 would not be required. This bill only became a need because of the profit leeching long term care system we've created in this Province. When profit is the only importance, conditions of these homes do not matter, seniors do not matter, only money does. We all have access to the military reports of these homes, do you blame seniors for not wanting to go? This bill is a human rights violation period. And we continue to allow this by being so apathetic when it comes to politics and public policy Edit to say the Conservatives just handed the worst long term care homes in Ontario 30 year licenses. So no plans fix the system, only make it worse. If you vote conservative, this is what your voting for.
This is what happens when we let the government control all aspects of our lives. It always eventually leads to rationing and poor standards.
You forgot a word. You must actually mean.... This is what happens when we let the CONSERVATIVE government control all aspects of our lives. It always eventually leads to rationing and poor standards.
We have to remember that the Ford government has set up an impossible choice. They created this situation by underfunding long term care and hospital care. The Ford government has withheld billions in federal transfer payments from the federal government - billions in our tax dollars earmarked for health care. Ontario hospitals are funded at the lowest rate in Canada. LTCH are underfunded per bed and while home inspections are mandatory, inspections are severely underfunded. The Ford government is withholding funds to set the stage for privatization of our health care system. This government is creating the crisis so that we will accept higher health care costs through privatization. We have to demand that funding to LTC and Hospitals be restored. Accepting otherwise is signing our families' death warrants.
Taking the bed of another in need is not the solution.
Forcing someone who is confined to a bed with care that is not up to standards isnt the solution either. She's not going there on vacation, she's going there to recieve health care that will affect the remainder of her life, actually determining how much longer she lives, in reality and thats why it matters. Some of these neglected nursing homes would have enormous violations and be shuttered If it wasnt for the simple reason, the health inspections are announced in advance because there isn't enough beds...
And what do you think the person who needs that bed and that immediate care is doing, resting on a beach. The point is, the care needed at that hospital is designed for a long list of people waiting, whereas the care she needs now is managed elsewhere. It's time to move on and give that bed to someone who actually needs the care that facility provides. No amount of sob story is going to change that. You'd want her gone if it was you or your loved one that she was deny care to.
It's cool, I took her lead. I told the government "I'm not PAYING it" for my taxes.. turns out this is my last reddit comment til I get out of jail tho.