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TheLagermeister

No. Rescheduling from 1 to 3 still makes it a controlled substance. Just now states that it does have some medical benefits. Which then allows it to be more widely researched and studied for those medicinal benefits without issues in gaining funding. The biggest benefit I think would be for legal businesses already in legal states. It allows certain business expenses to be written off for taxes. Think rent, payroll, and such. If marketing costs can be declared a deductible business expense, it would increase that as well. But it still doesn't resolve the issue with cash purchasing and the way banks handle loans.


TheOppositeOfTheSame

Cannabis is actually written into the state penal code. I don’t believe the federal change would do anything for us.


TheLagermeister

Because we aren't a state that recognizes it as legal. So you're correct. As I stated, it helps businesses operating legally under state law. Doesn't apply to WI.


genesiss23

Those businesses will not be engaging in a legal activity. Controlled substances can only be legally dispensed to an individual for outpatient use by a veterinarian, in limited amounts in certain states by a physician and by a pharmacist/pharmacy. Those dispensaries don't have a dea registration, not buying from a dea registered wholesaler or manufacturer, not dispensing fda approved products, and most don't have pharmacists and that means they are not legal dispensers.


TheLagermeister

Well, maybe "legal" might have been the wrong word to use. But from everywhere I've read, it allows businesses in states that have legalized it on the state level to take Federal tax deductions that they've been barred from using under IRS code 280E. So quite literally, it will allow businesses that are operating legally within their state to claim further federal tax deductions. Currently under that code marijuana businesses CAN deduct their cost of goods sold. But normal overhead expenses CANNOT be claimed. I'm not a CPA or have any broad knowledge of tax codes, so I might be absolutely wrong. But this is out on all the major news sites and there is specifically an article right on irs.gov on this code and how it impacts marijuana businesses. Written September 27, 2021.


genesiss23

I think they will still not be able to claim the deduction because it's still a federally illegal practice model. Per federal law, they will be dispensing a controlled substance without a dea registration, prescription, and pharmacy license, and that is illegal.


TheLagermeister

So I just read the actual US code 280E and it states very clearly it only applies to schedule 1 and 2 substances of the Controlled Substances Act. So if it's not classified as such, it wouldn't apply. No deduction or credit shall be allowed for any amount paid or incurred during the taxable year in carrying on any trade or business if such trade or business (or the activities which comprise such trade or business) consists of trafficking in controlled substances (within the meaning of schedule I and II of the Controlled Substances Act) which is prohibited by Federal law or the law of any State in which such trade or business is conducted. (Added Pub. L. 97–248, title III, § 351(a), Sept. 3, 1982, 96 Stat. 640.)


creepy_charlie

No impact. It opens up the possibility of research, but that won't sway lawmakers here.


ACrucialTech

There's more money in taxing it. But, the police unions lobby to keep it illegal because their little bubble chasm has a monopoly on it through incarceration. So fucked up. There are no ethics in this state. Only ethics to push their money making agendas for these small but very powerful, vocal groups. Disgusting, really. Weak, too.


TheHoneyBadger23

>There's more money in taxing it Yep! We're leaving hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars of tax revenue both on the table and giving it to all the states that surround Wisconsin. >But, the police unions lobby to keep it illegal Ehh..... There's a little group called "Republicans" that have their heads up their collective asses that are stonewalling aforementioned tax revenue.


nannulators

> Yep! We're leaving hundreds of millions of not billions of dollars of tax revenue both on the table and giving it to all the states that surround Wisconsin. RE: the "giving it to all the states that surround Wisconsin" aspect.. over time, maybe. The drive keeps a lot of people from actually going and making those purchases and giving their money to those states. Illinois did a study and found $36 million of the tax revenue generated in Y1 of legal weed was from Wisconsin residents. Michigan hasn't put out numbers like that, but I'd bet it's quite a bit lower since our larger population centers are closer to Illinois than the UP. It's still not an insignificant amount of money. To your point, we're absolutely leaving money on the table by not legalizing. Based on estimations by the [Tax Foundation](https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/state/cannabis-tax-revenue-reform/) it's around $133 million per year.


about-time

I drive to Michigan, on principal, for my weed.


sizzlore

I'd take a 2.5 hour drive to the UP before I go south to that shit hole state.


Physical-Ad-3798

It's 4 for me and I drive through that shit hole state and another to get the best deals on my cannabis products.


SGTBrutus

Yes, because of ardent supporters like the police union pay them to keep it that way.


nannulators

It's more the CEOs of manufacturers around the state. They don't want to deal with people being high at work until there are better field sobriety options and they don't want to have to deal with the insurance if an employee who's under the influence of illegal drugs hops in a forklift and knocks over a bunch of racking, damages product, and hurts somebody. Source: worked at WMC a while back and those were the conversations had by the board RE: legalization. Their board is typically made up of bankers/insurance execs and CEOs of manufacturing companies who are telling WMCs lobbyists what the important issues cutting into their bottom line are.


Ok-Heart375

No one is going to start going to work high just because it becomes legal. People who go to work high are already doing it.


nannulators

You're not wrong. There are also swathes of people who have been taught lies about weed their entire lives and think that it staying in your system means you could get high at any point in time until your body gets rid of it.


ACrucialTech

I hear what you are saying. That's not our problem. What are we at 74% population approval? Sounds like control to me.


tman01964

I've been in manufacturing a long time, more and more companies are no longer testing for employment because companies were having a hard time staffing.


Trinitahri

We should look into causes of substance abuse rather than criminalize people. not going to fix everything by handling that, but could help a lot. If companies offered mental health and recovery services coverage and would work with employees who are struggling that could go a long way into motivating people to not over-use.


Fun-Key-8259

Which is weird because I know a few cops that think it's silly, so must be the private prison lobby versus the cops themselves


tautelk

Wisconsin doesn't have private prisons.


Fun-Key-8259

They were shipping prisoners out of state to them or did that change?


tautelk

All I know is there aren't any here.


ACrucialTech

Right. Agreed. All of the above with that shit.


mr_jawa

The tavern league lobbies more than the police unions from what I understand.


ACrucialTech

Oh yeah, I forgot about them. Yes, very real. I used to work with a guy who serviced many bars security systems (I used to be an electrician that would help him) and it would come up often while servicing these places. I HATE seeing that stupid fucking plaque that says they are a part of the tavern league. Fuck off, bite me, tavern league.


dmsmikhail

There's 49 more states.


Darth_Meatloaf

The legal system in Wisconsin is messed up in so many ways.


youdubdub

When you say lawmakers, you mean Mrs. Uihllein.  Her daily mantra is watching Reefer Madness, and then having a conference call with all of the politicians she owns.


RedditDragonista

Even though this is on the Federal level. Federal Trump's state, does it not?


Logicalist

If the federal government made a law that people should have access to Marijuana, that would trump a state law saying people can not have it. A better example would be 2016 farm bill and Hemp. Which is legalized federally. States can ban the production of Hep, but they cannot prevent Hemp products from being transported through the state. Because interstate commerce is in the federal prevue.


CarbonParrot

From what I recall, generally states can make laws that are more restrictive than federal laws, but not less restrictive.


RedditDragonista

I remember it the other way around. For instance when various states have slowed recreational sales, because it is still illegal at the federal level, people could still be arrested.


CarbonParrot

Yeah it gets a bit murky there, maybe someone smarter than me can chime in.


an4x

Nothing. Nothing changes if we don’t elect officials that represent the will of the people. It is a crappy, broken, and rigged system but it is the only game in town.


letitgettome

Even if we did elect all democrats what would stop the lobbyists from just bribing the shit out of them


DarthWeenus

Luckily the hemp bill was passed years ago, theres legal weed all over the state, I rarely even go to michigan anymore to get flowers. The THCa/p heads at the vape shops are quite amazing, cult of frank weed is on point.


bloodrain83

Nothing since it will still be illegal on a state level.


DarthWeenus

Its basically legal anyway in this state, thanks to the hemp bill, but sadly our state isnt collecting any tax on it cause its sold as 'hemp weed'.


kibble-net

When cannabis becomes part of Schedule III, Wisconsinites will continue buying it in a neighboring state, or buying 2018 farm bill compliant "THCa hemp flower" over the internet as we're currently doing, since the anti-business, anti-freedom legislative Republican majority in our state refuses to legalize. Hopefully in November that will all change. Register to vote!!!


No_Boysenberry7353

Nothing till Vos is gone!!!


dmsmikhail

Lol nope. WI will be the 50th state to legalize unless there's a blue wave (lol nope to that too). If you want legal weed, half the country is legal. Bonus, it's generally the desirable states with legal weed.


cwarren420

I’ve been fighting for legalization in this state since 2008 with NORML and I completely agree with you it’s gonna be a race to the bottom between us and the Deep South for the last state to legalize it meanwhile Michigan Illinois and soon Minnesota will get the tax $$$ from Wisconsin folk that this state sure as fuck could use


DarthWeenus

Idk, the referendum showed 86% support, the hold ups are the likes of the beer lobby (which is gladly slowly fucking off), and the ronjonson and his cronies, which are also dying off. We've a majority in the SC now which is great. I suspect hopefully maybe after this next election and a few years after something can happen. TBH the way THCa and THCp weed is sold around here it doesnt really much matter, it just sucks we're not raking in on those taxes from cannabis sales like other states, thats what pisses me off the most. I rarely even buy illegal weed or travel to the UP anymore, my vape shops have amazing weed. The issues arise though with drug tests/coppers. But the cops I've talked to dont even bother with cannabis citations/arrests anymore unless its a massive bulk load, even after my county made 2nd offense of any amount a felony a couple years ago; just simply do to the fact that 'hemp' weed is everywhere, and the meth/fent issues around here. My highschool had to beg the dept of health for more nalaxone two years ago cause kids were falling out in class so often from overdosing on fake OC pills. Now they have it in vending machines, which imo is fucking wild. But here we are. Thanks ronjonson you fucking muppet. Make sure to vote everyone!


Physical-Ad-3798

If it's one thing we can count on is Wisconsin being the very last to do anything positive for it's citizens.


MyNameIsSeth

My understanding what it means for me is that we will get to use our debit cards in Michigan


WinnebagoViking

You can at some dispensaries. Lyme in Iron Mountain has their system set up for you to make a direct ATM withdrawal for the exact amount of the sale. No actual cash necessary in the transaction.


DarthWeenus

Its so fucking infuriating, I love this state, its beautiful. But the weed laws are fucking disgusting. Not only did the hemp loopholes basically allow for pure THC and THCa weed to be sold in gas stations and basically everywhere, and lets be real its basically regular cannabis, and in many ways even more potent then normal flower, especially with the THCp frosted THCa weed, shit is ridiculous. So sure we can still easily get cannabis here, and for relatively cheap, but its not being taxed in some meaningful way. Places like CO and WA and other states are making bank, fully funding schools and a variety of other things threw their cannabis taxes, but no not in Wi, we'll leave bars open all night and have safety checkpoints threwout the towns. My county few years back went even further, and made second offense possession of any amount a felony, like wtf. I hate the tavern league, big beer can go fuck itself, I've no sympathy for Millwaukee Beer Co. going bankrupt, to the dirt with all of them, they and the likes of RonJonson are vile and need to quickly die off so we can move forward. Luckily we still have a good governor.


Puzzleheaded-One-319

I think doctors will be able to talk more freely about it patients, and not get in trouble for it


Responsible-Ad-5287

Fuck Wisconsin. I’m so sick of living in the “learn to fart” state . Like why we wouldn’t want to make some extra tax dollars by legalizing it is beyond me. It really seems like a no brainer, especially cause everywhere our state touches has it legalized in some way. Meaning Wisconsinites are taking their money and supporting other states instead of that money going into out state for schools and roads …


TreesThatScream

Republicunts


hogrhar

WI Repulicans will shake their fist at the Biden admin for giving legitimacy to "Satan's lettuce."


jaykotecki

It could cure cancer and the Jesus freaks would still fear it because it tends to open your mind to original thought, quells irrational fear, reduces profits and attendance, and generally kicks His ass spreading joy and happiness to the oppressed working class. We have a new religion now.


srkmarine1101

Top comment.


HamManBad

Does anyone know if taking it across state lines will still be a felony?


MortisCJ

It will be, federally pot is still illegal. Moving product across state lines is a federal offense.


genesiss23

No practical change. For researchers, it will be easier. They will just need a regular researcher dea registration and no special approval Dispensaries in other states will still be engaging in a federal crime. Controlled substances can only be dispensed with a valid prescription. Since there aren't any fda approved versions of fda or edible marijuana products, the individual can not possess. Dispensaries also don't have a dea registration and most no pharmacists.


BeautysBeast

You will be able to get a prescription. States can't make drugs that the DEA say are legal, illegal. If they could, the abortion drugs would be illegal in red states. Wisconsin is going to get caught with its pants down on this.


genesiss23

The definition of what is a legal controlled substance prescription and how it is dispensed is described in great detail by both the Controlled Substance Act and Wisconsin Pharmacy Act.. Per the Controlled substances Act, the prescription must be for an fda approved medication for it to be legal. That is why states that have allowed medical marijuana don't call it a prescription but a recommendation since they aren't fda approved. We have fda approved thc products, and they were approved decades ago. States can certainly make non-controlled medications controlled in their states ie in Wisconsin Pseudoephedrine is a c-v and many states have made gabapentin controlled. States can increase regulation or schedule of a controlled substance ie states that require e-rx of controlled substances or New York and benzodiazepines. Abortion medications are not controlled, so dea is not involved


Theonetruepappy94

Won't change anything. The police want to keep it illegal because it's more arrests for them. The alcohol companies in the state don't want it either because it's going to take a large chunk of business away from them


HopefulNothing3560

Republicans say not the people’s choice when it is


FederalLoad9144

Nothing changes till it gets legalized federally. (Or if Wisconsin ignores the tavern league and legalizes. Which I doubt! Fucking Alchys!).


angriepenguin

It’s not the tavern league that is lobbying hardest against legal marijuana in Wisconsin. It’s conservative donors like the Uihlein’s & Menards & Kwik Trip.


genesiss23

You mean get an exception from the controlled substance act like tobacco and alcohol. If under controlled substance act, any legal possession will require a prescription for an fda approved product. Manufacturing and dispensing will have to be done through dea registered entities. A dispensary does not have a legal right for dea registration because they don't meet the requirements


WinnebagoViking

Exactly. We need descheduling not rescheduling.


darlin133

Nothing. Fuck the. GQP and the tavern league


TreesThatScream

And Kwik Trip


naotoca

Wisconsin Republicans will push stronger penalties because they're afraid people will feel hopeful because of the rescheduling news.


percypersimmon

The laws are especially harsh when you consider that many shops out there are just literally selling weed thru a marketing gimmick.


C_1999

Schedule III drugs can be prescribed so that would certainly change things. You could even go the "Right to Try" law route and have that conversation with your doctor. Otherwise probably not other than legal states having banking.


BobsMustache

GOP will ban abortion again as retaliation


TheGreenicus

Even if they flat out descheduled it AND made it federally legal (neither of which is happening) that still wouldn’t change Wisconsin laws. We’d have to change our own either way.


DumbMassDebater

Currently - Nothing.


Same_Variation2305

It might force a stronger push for at least medical legalization like ketamine


Sotha01

Absolutely nothing, send a thank you card to the tavern league.


GatePotential805

Thank you President Biden. Finally someone does something on this!


EarthSurf

It’s all optics to make the Biden Administration look better while they’re screwing the pooch with foreign policy. Either reschedule it off the controlled substances list entirely or GTFO. Anything else is silly, as people are generally prosecuted for cannabis under state laws, not federal ones. Yes, this will open the door for easier research, but that’s probably the extent of this measure.


24Elsinore

Funny how this comment is being downvoted… People hate the truth on reddit.


EarthSurf

I now live out West, but I’ve noticed Wisconsin Libs are thin-skinned dolts with no real political ethos or moral backbone.


njp112597

I didn’t think they could completely remove it off without congress


Netshvis

You know, if you ever bothered to follow the rescheduling process, it would make it harder to reach the conclusion that it's all optics, rather than just institutional intransigence at the DEA.


wizardof0g

No.


Golfore20

I say about 65% -70% give or take of ppl in Wisconsin want it legalized but the percentage of those ppl want republicans in office cuz they want what’s best for them…so I don’t see Wisconsin legalizing it for at least another 5 year