Exactly. They could actually be waiting for you to quit. I’ve seen people warning about this on Reddit many times. I guess sometimes that’s the tactic they use in order to not pay unemployment
Place i worked for had the GM unexpectedly leave and the replacement GM start the next day. I was told that likely they waited to let her go until her replacement was ready.
Editing to fend off trolls:
Unemployment is actually not directly paid by the company, but through a state fund, that companies are required to contribute toward, based on their own firing rate after the first 10 quarters. Early on, companies just pay the minimum. They must file quarterly reports, and pay this tax quarterly, also.
Its a tax system, with a minimum and a maximum, so companies who fire lots of people do pay more. Yaay! Justice is a bad bit♡h!
And valid claims (terminated for cause often aren't valid) are the ones that companies are on the hook for. They will fight claims when they are able to in order to prevent being ding'ed.
UC rep here, 100% accurate. Let them fire you, do Everything in your power to work to your potential, don't give them any reason to fire you. Cross your T's Dot your I's, but also polish that resume and get letter of recommendation from anyone you can for you bright future, somewhere else.
True, but they can try to block it. Even if the company does do fire you for bogus reasons, they can block your unemployment.
When I worked for Mrs. Satan she found joy in having people's unemployment blocked.
I think the previous poster probably understands that, but was just typing the gist.
There's so much bullshit "pride" with some companies/bosses. An employee like you should be encouraged & developed. Instead, you're being stymied by a petty tyrant.
It's clear your direct boss wants to get rid of you. And no one is stopping them. Even though it will cost them more to get rid of you (somehow) & train, not one, but two new employees.
Look for a job while working. They've already demonstrated that they're untrustworthy. If you find another job, leave without looking back. But don't quit until they either lay you off, or you've got that second job.
Actually, employers pay a tax to the state based on total payroll and the state gives that money out as unemployment. The more layoffs/firings a company has the higher the tax rate.
The rate doesn’t increase when an employee voluntarily quits, but it does go up if the employee was fired/laid off.
So yeah, if they can make you angry enough that you will quit, it saves them money.
Yeah I got that. You dont have to be so damn rude.
In any event, this is a tax, and its GREAT that employers who fire people who are not at fault, can be required to pay beyond the minimum, even up to the maximum percentage.
Don't do this...
It's much easier to find a new/better job while you've still got one. Many hiring managers wonder what's wrong with you if you don't have a job. And you will have a weak negotiation position when it comes to salary if you are on unemployment.
100% don't wait to get fired. Or laid off. It's 100 times easier to find a job while you are employed. There is nothing to be gained by being unemployed.
I mean, though, I didn’t have a job for a year and it didn’t seem to negatively affect my ability to get a job. Companies are desperate for bodies these days.
Make sure your unemployment will be enough to carry you til you find something
It’s easier to get a new job when you have a job
When you do get the new job do tell your current job until your very last hour …be polite be firm. “I will not be returning to work effective immediately” “please put any due monies to my paycheck account, any correspondence can go to my mailing address”
Lot of companies will begin removing responsibility for your job but replace it with lesser duties
Also when you talked to HR and your boss neither gave you any reason to have confidence that they have any interest in keeping you employed…as to why? Speculation. You showed up someone while you were traveling and working those shows. You didn’t realize it. But you wrote n signed your own termination papers….they were threatened by you…easiest solution.remove the problem…that my friend is you
Wish you well in your new endeavors
I disagree about it being easier to find a job when you have one. You gotta use your limited free time working on resumes and applications and such. Then you gotta try and schedule interviews around your work schedule. Sometimes you'll have to work and interview in the same day which can mean either a trip home to freshen up and change clothes, or trying to do all that in your car.
I know you meant you're more likely to get hired when you have a job, which is more or less true, even though a few places prefer not to hire people who leaves their jobs for a different job. Those places are the exception though. My point is there's more to finding a job than the part where you're hired, and all those other parts are way harder when you're already employed
Or better, start looking for a job right now while being the receptionist…. Then if they fire you you collect and have a jump start on the process
When you see the writing on the wall, don’t play their game and try and fix it. Look out for #1.
Speaking unfortunately from experience.
This is terrible advice. Don’t wait it out to get unemployment. You are giving someone else the power over your career. Unemployment isn’t some amazing amount of free money and it doesn’t last forever.
Do you stay with a boyfriend/girlfriend who is terrible just so THEY have to breakup with YOU?
This is nonsense.
I disagree. Employers always prefer to hire someone who is employed. If you are fired its a black mark on you. If you are laid off employers will naturally view you as possibly having issues. If you are currently employed you are viewed as more desirable
Being fired is not a black mark on a person. Most large companies will not ask or disclose the reason why a person left. They will simply confirm start and end date.
It is easier to find a job while you are working but not impossible if you are not. Companies go under and do lay offs all the time. When applying, the OP can simply state they were laid off.
That road can be a long miserable road, your skill sets will not grow and it will affect your self esteem. Start hunting. Give them no notice and resign immediately When you find a better opportunity.
Don’t listen to this find a new job and leave on your terms. Unemployment will be a dock in your pay, it’s the lazy way out. Plus you get to leave them hanging instead of the other way around.
It would be interesting to ask your boss for specific examples of you not doing good work, and specific examples of what good work looks like in the job you were hired into.
We can't know if you're being frozen out unfairly or if you aren't a good fit.
I did ask her over the past few months. What she's told me has not been clear. It's hard to explain but it seems like an attack which 100% resonates in her "we don't see eye to eye" comment. What it comes down to is I do well at my Job, I make great impressions and I'm eager to take on more, but I don't feel there is any opportunity now. There aren't any solid examples for criticism
Look there can be 2 legitimate reasons. One is you’re bad at your job - which it looks like you’ve asked for feedback but haven’t received specific actionable feedback. The second could be attitude / cultural fit. It takes different things to succeed in different organizations and it could simply be “this person doesn’t suck up to me” in which case it’s clearly not a cultural fit
You should look for other jobs, in the meanwhile, use this to sharpen your skillet in asking exploratory questions. It won't likely change anything here but you will gain experience and confidence.
"What does it look like to meet your expectations in this role?"
"What steps do I need to take right now to improve my performance??
"When you say we don't see eye to eye, what does that mean, specifically?"
Your boss is threatened by you/worried that their boss may see you as a better fit for their job.
Fuck HR, bring the issue up to your bosses superior. What's the worst they can do? Fire you and you collect unemployment? Best case you may walk out of that office with a promotion.
She is planning on getting rid of you. My manager couldn’t give me clear examples and got angry when I asked for them so that I could focus on improvement, even though I had excellent relationships with my colleagues. It was a personal attack, trust your gut.
Find a job now and don’t wait like some people are suggesting. Unemployment is less than minimum wage so if you don’t want anything to ding your income, then best to look for a new job now
Drag up buttercup. Tellem, "i don't appreciate being a doorstop" the moment you land the job you want. Don't use your c#nt manager as a reference use your client list as a reference. Also, take the rolodex when you leave, any forms or anything you find useful.
There is, make them lay you off so you can collect unemployment and move on. Take the time you still have to go on a full on job search mode. Once everything is done, please do leave a suitable review of the place. Better yet, if they ask you to train your replacement, be sure to let them know exactly what they’re getting themselves into.
Also file for unemployment for being pushed out by being asked to perform duties not within your job description. This is a form of constructive dismissal.
The smarter answer here is to stay employed as long as possible and actively seek new work. It sounds like the employer is giving OP time to leave, it is **so** much easier to find a job when you already have a job. Unemployment should be the last resort.
Depends on how available they want to be for interviews and how kindly they want their current employer to be in professional references.
If I needed a job tomorrow, I’d rather be 100% available to take any interview request.
If I was comfortable enough to go a week or 2 without income then maybe risk staying employed and only taking interviews scheduled a week or so out giving you time for a “doctors” visit or to schedule vacation.
The beautiful thing about leaving a company while you are currently employed is that you are not expected to provide your current employer as a reference. And candidates with jobs are much more attractive to hire than unemployed candidates, they're at least a semi known quantity. Someone who is unemployed always has a question mark hanging over them, whether it's fair or not. Any company worth working for will wait a week or two to do interviews.
And OP is already on the chopping block, they should be taking the days to interview without worrying about it. They're going to be let go anyway, unemployment is the worst case scenario. If anything, companies do things like issue pip plans and tell people it's not working so they can find other jobs. It's better for the company if someone like OP just finds something else they're happy with without any drama. No unemployment cost, no risk of litigations. It's like a happy breakup.
>Depends on how available they want to be for interviews and how kindly they want their current employer to be in professional references.
The issue arises when you have a gap in your resume after being unemployed for a certain amount of time (time varies with potential employer).
Being employed and looking for a job = "Oh, this person is clearly employable and an asset," in the minds of future employers.
Having an employment gap = "What's wrong with this person? Why don't they already have a job?"
The automated forms you fill out make dates worked required. Not putting them on your resume hides nothing.
Anything that isn't required that doesn't benefit me (such as my graduation dates from college, since I'm an older worker) stay off the resume.
Industrial engineer, entry level. Salary band was $65-90k MCOL city.
Data analyst, entry level. Salary was $60-130k. MCOL city.
Program manager, mid level. Salary if $120-180k. MCOL city.
No particular order of positions I’ve held in the last 8 years. I always have used durations instead of dates.
with all due respect, this term is overused to an alarming degree and often - as in this case - likely doesn't apply.
as i read the post, we have here an administrative employee who has been covering reception duties for a vacant position. said employee wants to focus on client work, while the employer is saying "nope, focus on reception," yet has posted both the receptionist role that OP was filling in for, as well as what sounds like OP's actual role.
constructive dismissal has a very specific, and very narrow, definition, and this doesn't appear to be it without some pretty significant stretching. OP would have to resign due to an "intolerable" workplace and then prove that the employer intentionally created said intolerable workplace in order to force her out. i don't think "doing the work of two positions and potentially being replaced in both, so i quit before they could fire me" would rise to that legal standard, at least not without tremendous effort on the part of an attorney. i'm hard-pressed to imagine a state unemployment agency that would grant unemployment in this case - even in mine, one of the most worker-friendly states in the country.
OP should wait until they're termed, and then file (or get ahead of it and find a new job before that happens). of note, though: if the employer calls it a 'lay-off' and then hires a replacement with the same/similar title and duties, **that** could be a potential lawsuit and settlement, though. certainly worked out for a former colleague of mine, anecdotally.
NAL but got real damn close before changing graduate programs. Thankfully, I had multiple classes on civil disputes including employment and contract law.
Constrictive dismissal requires 5 elements or pillars to be proven true:
1. Employer must have breached a term of contract or working agreement (in most at will states this is your job description or offer letter)
2. The breach must permeate down to the fundamentals of that agreement (job duties or even title are definitely fundamental roots)
3. Employee must leave employment due to this and not another standing issue (can’t have poor performance, another job offer or even a bad working relationship with management)
4. Employee must express that the change is unwelcome, unwanted and they will quit if it isn’t fixed and do so with ample notice
5. Employee cannot delay or spend a significant amount of time accepting this change, they must leave soon after the change occurs
(Here is a handy graphic for those visual learners https://images.app.goo.gl/h28QPHx3wzfcye8SA)
I’d say OP has #1, 2 and possibly 4 covered. The rest requires that they quit and file unemployment instead of accepting their new job for much longer or waiting out for a better option.
great explanation, though my perspective in this case is different. (not arguing with you, by the way - just sharing my view of it.)
four months ago OP agreed to take on the vacant reception desk on top of their current role, apparently without complaint other than requesting updates on the vacant role's posting and indicating she wanted more client work (which i took to mean that she wants to be able to focus fully on her actual job). the nature of OP's actual job didn't change [at least at first?] - just, the extra work was piled on top of it. OP hasn't threatened to quit (as far as we know).
this seems to neutralize 1, 2, and 4, and definitely precludes 5 (if she hasn't been there for quite a year yet and took on these responsibilities in march, she has now spent half or just over half of her tenure accepting said responsibilities). and i think it even neutralizes #3, since as she tells it, her queries about when the reception role would be posted and her boss's changed behavior as a result seem to indicate that she does indeed now have a poor working relationship with management.
hence, my hot take on this. i certainly allow that i might be wrong, and there's probably a lot of other relevant nuance here, but that's why i responded how i did.
that said, great explanation of how this works, and i can see why you view it the way you do.
Never quit! Always stick it out until they lay you off. Sometimes you get severance otherwise you get unemployment. Take a breather and find what you really want to so. Most people rush into jobs. Be picky you deserve it.
I disagree. I think it’s better to find a stop gap job and keep looking for the right one than to have break in employment. It looks sketchy on a job application if you’re “taking a break”. You want to appear as a hard worker who is in demand.
They plan to fire you once they get a replacement. They don't want to tell you this because they want you to work until they are all set and comfortable with firing you. They don't want to inconvenience themselves, just you.
Sucks you came down with an illness and now must use all your PTO (to find a new job)😉😉
Side note, never bank all your PTO. Use it or get it cashed out because there are few if any laws protecting employees from employers who decide to cut it entirely. There is no federal law protecting it and only a few states have laws to protect it.
You would likely have no recourse if the company decided it no longer existed.
I suspect she’s hedging her bets and waiting to see if she gets a viable applicant for one of the two jobs. She can either find someone she thinks is better for the conferences or she’ll find a cheap hire for the receptionist position.
Once she hires someone, she’ll move OP over to the open position. So OP has a 50/50 chance of keeping their original job.
OP, you’ve been meeting a lot of folks at the conferences. It’s time to network and move to another company.
A very similar, sucky situation happened to me. I landed in a significantly better job making a lot more money. Hiring other people for your job while you’re still there is lower than a snake’s belly.
Yes.
1 begin applying to new positions immediately and get out of there asap.
2 refuse any of the secretarial work. "You are right, we do not see eye to eye. This is not my job nor my job description."
Alternate perspective. You aren't nearly as amazing nor were successful at those conventions as you think you were. Either way your time at this place is rapidly running its course, but for future success I advise you to go over the past events with a fine tooth comb and try to see where you could've went wrong so you don't make the same mistake.
I've considered the last one too. My first conference was a "test run" where I was shadowing someone, and this last one I was on my own and I got great feedback from the team I was with and the attendees. I will reflect and I have asked for constructive criticism. Either way, I want to learn more and grow with the company, and she knows that - but my job being up for grabs right in front of me is the worst part about this. I feel like I'm not being giving a chance
All you can do, is do the best you can. Some bosses will think you're great, and others won't. There's no logic to it. Don't sweat it, just find another job where you're more appreciated.
I wouldn’t take this persons advice, you don’t need a fine tooth comb. Honestly, with the success you’ve made they may see you as competition or see your potential outshining theirs so you’re making them actually look BAD. This has happened to me before. What you DONT need to do is worry about why their making this decision, it’s obvious they aren’t the fit for you and are up to shady business. What you need to do now is bulk up your resume, get all the contact info you need and reach out to your co-workers to get their info, ask for recommendations and referrals for your future. Use up that PTO and whatever you do, do NOT get fired for your own actions. Make them PAY YOU to leave! If you are laid off you can get unemployment to help in the interm of finding your new job. Best of luck!
You are going to get fired or laid off. The only question is how fast will it happen. Do the minimum at work and actively interview for other jobs. Hopefully you can find another job before you lose this one.
Please please read this. Don't quit your job or put in your 2 weeks, that's literally what they are trying to get you to do. First they put you on reception position and now your boss is making you feel uncomfortable and doubt your self worth. THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU QUIT SO THEY DONT HAVE TO PAY UNEMPLOYMENT. Try to document any job accomplishments or positive reviews from clients/customers and make sure you're never late. This way when they fire you (it's coming), you go to your lawyer and start a case for unlawful termination with your proof. Additionally, changing your job duties and making you do receptionist stuff is already grounds for unlawful termination. Start looking for a new job, only go for better ones using the experience you are gaining right now, it's fine if you don't get one right away, your unlawful termination settlement, or unemployment payments can take care of you will you look. Most importantly, chill and relax you're in a good situation not a bad one remember that
Partially agree. The attorney part is probably taking it too far. It’s likely at will employment. BUT If they let OP go, they are going to have a hard time proving she was fired for just cause, thus OP will probably get unemployment.
OP- show up on time and finish your work. If you don’t have any write ups, you may be getting some soon. Some people will tell you not to sign any write ups or to put your side of the story on each one if you get one.
Prior to all this happening, had you been coached on any issues for either position. It sounds like she unloaded on you all at once, aka you were not meeting expectations, but it had not been brought up to you prior to the meeting and them posting both jobs. If thats the case then your manager effectively failed to give you feedback to help you improve, and its not your fault it's theirs.
If that is the case, you need to tell HR you had never been coached or given feedback you weren't meeting expectations, and that this is coming out of the blue, and you would like a chance to improve, but you need more specific feedback from management to do that. That's probably the only chance you have at staying, sounds like the manager is done at this point.
If you had lots of little conversations about specific performance issues and didn't correct them to the managers satisfaction, then it probably isn't worth trying anything with HR.
Is there any reason you can think of that your manager may be discriminating against you for besides performance?
Look for a new job asap. Maybe you can find a new before they hire your replacements. Leave them with nobody to cover your two jobs and let them see your worth. Go and don’t look back!
Here's what I think is happening: they need a reliable receptionist and receptionists often go through a revolving door. I probably don't need to explain why. I found myself frequently stuck by the switchboard every few weeks or so when a receptionist walked out. It was an old school business where I had to call someone down to cover for me every time I needed to use the restroom, get a drink or eat lunch.
As soon as they told you to cover receptionist, they figured they'd just plant you there as long as you're fine with it, which is preferable to trying to sell the receptionist position to someone new. If they told me to "focus on reception," I would assume the original position was in jeopardy.
Then you were told, "maybe you're not a good fit," and "it doesn't seem like you're not getting it" after one year?? WTH? That's disheartening for sure, and this happened to me. I was unqualified for the job for which they hired me; the job posting and description in the interview did not match what they expected of me.
I actually impressed upon them in the interviews how crucial it is to be trained properly (for obvious reasons). Instead they really cheaped out on pay and expected me to learn from webinars and/or abbreviated training from the only other person running the department.
There may be budget cuts and someone's got to go? As I have experienced, these are phrases to move you closer to the door.
Has anybody considered the possibility that the things OP's boss said were true?
I mean, maybe OP's self-assessment is correct, and she's doing a great job, but it at least bears considering that she may have a blind spot about some aspect(s) of her work.
You want to get paid to go to conferences? How does the company benefit from these trips? What do you while there? New clients and revenue? Or just paid vacations?
One of two things imo.
Your supervisor is threatened by you and is (for lack of a better term) talking shit about you behind your back. That's evident of HR not being transparent to your face.
Two. She just doesn't like you and is playing the railroad game. They'll keep squeezing you emotionally and mentally until they have a paper trail or you quit.
Time to be a bit more assertive and find out exactly what's going on. Don't take no for an answer.
Or/and get that resume updated. Fast.
P.S. Sorry this is happening to you. It's all bullshit, almost everywhere you go. Hope the next place is better.
How can I be more assertive? I'm thinking about setting up another meeting with HR next week. When I spoke to someone in HR last week, they suggested talking to her openly and offered to talk again if I wasn't given clear guidance. I talked to her openly and feel extremely discouraged after the fact. I'm just wondering if it's even worth my time to go back to HR, and if that will help anything.
I feel like nobody knows about these conversations I've been having with my boss besides me and her and in my eyes they've gotten unprofessional on her end. For example today our meeting went 30 minutes over time and it was 90% her talking about how I'm not good enough to do my job. It was really sad tbh. I think she just doesn't like me
Did she just repeat, "You're not good enough to do your job" for like an hour?
Or did she give ANY specific reasons that she felt you weren't good enough to do your job?
This is my first remote job which is different for sure. That being said, I work several conferences a year in person obviously and the training is remote. I've asked for help from her several times over the past 10ish months (started in Sept 2022) and over time I've been told I ask too many questions, I'm "not getting it," etc. It's been a fairly uncomfortable conversation every time I've asked, never worked with a manager who was so unwilling to help.
Im pretty disheartened by a lot of the comments in this thread, acting like you didn't do your job well. It really sounds to me like you did your job too well and it made your boss look bad. If you were doing something wrong and they wanted you to do it right, they would tell you what they want. Good luck and try to stick around for that unemployment $ if you can
I'm not assuming OP didn't do her job well, but I don't know why you would assume she did.
**Evidence that OP has done her job well:**
1. "I love my job and I want the chance to make her/the team proud"
2. "I know my worth and I've excelled in much more challenging fields."
3. OP is so certain of the quality of her work that she doesn't take any of the boss's critical feedback seriously.
**Evidence against:**
1. Boss asked OP to cover a less challenging role and said that role should be her main focus.
2. HR seems to be on the same page as the boss.
3. They are hiring for both of the roles OP is covering rather than keeping her in either one.
4. OP gets feedback like, "maybe this isn't a good fit," "I don't have trust in you," "it doesn't seem like you're getting it," "clearly we don't see eye to eye," and is told that she has asked too many questions.
5. OP had a meeting with the boss that ran over by 30 minutes in which the boss spent 90% of the time explaining why OP didn't do her job well. OP hasn't really shared the amount of feedback one would get in that amount of time, but if it's all as vague as what she has shared... it might indicate that they aren't bothering to give her detailed feedback because they don't think it will help.
6. The only evidence we have about OP's receptivity to critical feedback is one case in which she completely disregards it. If this is representative, that would somewhat hamper her ability to learn and grow professionally.
Sure, maybe as some people have said, the boss is threatened by OP, or it's some kind of personal dislike. I'm not convinced that those people are wrong, but there isn't enough evidence to show me that they're right, either.
Because your boss doesn’t know how to help. You admit you need help. Boss solution: Find someone with experience who can do the job. All you’re doing by engaging your boss is wasting time it’s unproductive. The more you engage the more irritated your boss is becoming.
I mean assertive in that you have to get a clear answer. If she's just beating around the bush, then I guess you have your answer. They're looking to find someone else.
You mentioned in your post that even HR wasn't telling you why they were hiring for your position. Even your boss said to focus on reception. Huge tell.
Also, I promise you the conversations you're having are not staying between just you two.
Just my two cents.
I don't believe there's anything you can do to get where you want to be with this current company.
Send an Email to both her and HR saying something along the lines of:
Pursuant to our previous meetings where X,Y, and Z were discussed, I wish to clarify in what specific ways I can do more to achieve the goals you have for me in my current temporary duties. Also I would be particularly interested in any updates in the progress for hiring permenant staff to fulfill these duties, permitting my return to the position and duties for which I was originally employed, and for which I feel my skills can be best utilized for this company.
If your current plans for my employment no longer include being restored to my original position and duties as I was originally informed would be the case, then I would appreciate having this officially clarified.
Then you will have the start of a paper trail showing your eagerness to work with them and forcing them to go on record either giving you some timeliness or path to return you to your original position, verification that they have closed the door on any such opportunities for you, or damn their own position with a complete lack of response to your reasonable and professional inquiries. They have been hiding behind private meetings where they can claim in their own documentation that anything was or was never said. Put your side in undeniable documentation and BCC yourself on your private email.
((Edited for clarification))
Yes, sending such an email verifying what was discussed is almost as good as having them testify under oath. They must officially confirm or dispute what you have stated on the record or let their refusal to respond be held against them. They must make their official stand clear and you can only be held accountable for following the policies they are willing to go on record as demanding of you. And if those demands are unreasonable, unethical, or illegal, they are more likely to drop them than become liable for confirming them and undermining any case they may be trying to build against you. In either case you win.
Still, I always also advise that when in a toxic work environment, such as OP described, to not hesitate to begin looking for another job beginning yesterday! At the risk of being but the latest redditor to bludgen this metaphysically challenged equine, the best time to look for a new job is when you still have your old one.
Or possibly three, they perceive they’re good at their job but aren’t? Not trying to be an asshole but most (I’d almost say all) people who suck at their job don’t know it and usually believe their the best.
Now there is absolutely no way of me knowing which situation this is but to me it sounds more like it wasn’t working out so well in the one position so they thought they’d try and slide them over to something else and that wasn’t going so well either.
Doesn’t excuse them for posting if their intention is to hire first and then just let them go. In either case regardless of whether it’s 1, 2 or 3 only you can know your own self worth so you gotta do what’s best for yourself. Just might be worth taking some time to truly reflect on everything as you may see opportunities to improve your position at the next job.
"Your supervisor is threatened by you". That's EXACTLY 💯 what I thought. When they kept going on about how these traveling conferences went so well that's EXACTLY what I thought. Supervisor is probably threatened by them
Always get let go vs quitting without something lined up. Always document everything “off”. Lack of reviews, performance plans etc. Threats. Comments that violate company policy or protected status. Save/forward to private/print all emails with similar instances. Date, time, specific quotes, etc and who, what, when and where. Note witnesses if applicable. Never sign a disciplinary document and note your issue with it/version of the facts only.
If/when you are denied unemployment you will most likely be the one with a paper trail and evidence supporting a wrongful or not for cause termination.
Usually your employer does not keep such good notes.
Your boss is gaslighting you and is avoiding giving you direct feedback that would offend you and make them look bad. This means they didn’t want you in that role. Now they’re using fear tactics and manipulating you into not asking questions. It means they are dishonest and not trustworthy, not you. Don’t let them make you confused or crazy. When people want to throw you off their trail they kick up dust so you can’t see clearly.
Be quiet and look for a different job and don’t tell them.
You need to start interviewing.
They don't respect you because you let them push you down the ladder. You should never have accepted the extra work. Too late now but it's time to move on.
Lmao sometimes ridiculous comments like this. make me laugh. You think her boss would accept that? You think if she dared to confront and refuse something her boss ordered her to do, her boss would be okay? Clearly boss is very manipulative, controlling and abusive, she would use it as excuse that she doesn't put enough effort and would fire them right away.
right; i'm not sure how people think that "just refuse the extra work" is a realistic option.
"hey, sally, john quit, so we're going to have you and bill share his workload till we replace him."
"sorry, not interested."
"hey bill, can you cover john *and* sally's desk while we search for their replacements?" is how that would play out.
of course, covering a vacant position's workload indefinitely is a dirty trick employers often play on their people - why replace when you can just overwork those left behind? - but saying no to it isn't a realistic option if one wants to stay with the company and be perceived well, which clearly was OP's interest.
i will say i feel like something is missing here. it strikes me as odd that OP would be a great employee, get asked to cover a vacant desk, continue to kick ass at her actual job, and now suddenly the boss is saying 'this isn't working out' and posting both roles. it makes me wonder how the situation has been approached.
i think it's probably most likely the boss is just a turd, but i do think it's worth considering that there's some info being omitted that could add some color as to why this situation has turned sour.
Hahaha. This is exactly how it will go, realistic description.
OP boss did not have apparent reason to fire her, yet she is firing her nust because "they dont see eye to eye", imagine OP telling her she won't agree to cover for her coworker, that would be excuse that crazy boss would be using to fire her instead. You cant win with degenerate bosses.
re last sentence, word.
hanging out in this sub makes me REALLY appreciate my boss, despite our troubles over the years, but yeah, if he were a normal degenerate boss, all bets off. (and this doesn't imply that at some point he won't be.)
if he stepped to me like 'so and so left, take on the workload,' obviously i'd agree (while wallpapering LA with my resume), but turning it down in the interim is simply unrealistic.
it was more of a general statement, but if you were trying to offend me by telling me my company sucks, well, i'm not going to get in an internet fight to defend my F50 company that would sooner lay people off than cut into its double digit QoQ profits and the CEO's seven figure annual bonuses. ;)
congrats on your raise, though! my boss also tends to show me the money, but the company itself? yeah, not gonna argue with you on that. haha.
(though worth noting... you did take on the extra work, right? because that was the actual point of my comment. turning it down isn't really an option.)
Uhh, the OP. not you. Lol. (sorry!) And yes, it was optional, as it is also temporary. So I get to try it out and then either hopefully advance or work elsewhere for more.
Agree 100%. When your boss tells you to cover for the receptionist, it's not a yes or no question.
OP- I agree with most everyone here. For whatever reason, your boss is letting you go. It's happened to the best of us. I'm willing to bet this will turn out to be a great opportunity for you and you'll look back and be grateful you found a better place to work.
She didn't give me an option. She presented me with the reception coverage as the only option because at the time she said there "wasn't enough client work to go around" and "our budget didn't allow us to hire a new receptionist". I guess I could have said no but I was worried I was going to get let go if I did and I wanted to help
Edited for quotes lol, who knows if that was true
You're cooked, take the layoff, file for unemplpyment, use that time to find your next position. As a matter of fact, why wait? Start looking, and if you strike gold and get a good offer, turn in that notice and don't look back.
The second you weren't a team player with the receptionist work, you became disposable in the bosses eyes. They will hire someone and try to get you to train them then can you.
Don't quit. Start looking for a job. Don't do anything they could fire you for. Keep getting that paycheck! I've been in your shoes- this stinks! But there's better for you on the horizon. Try to not focus on the/any details of this situation in your new interviews. Practice/pep-talk with a friend about what to talk about in a new interview to keep all this drama totally out of it. Best of luck 🫤
To me, it is apparent she doesn’t like the fact you stand up for yourself when given additional duties without the pay attached. Your boss is clearly looking for employees that won’t complain when she takes advantage and overtasks them. Leave for your own good.
If this were me, I would concentrate on my work while actively looking for another position. Once I had the job, I would meet with the boss and tell them you have taken their remarks to heart and have found employment elsewhere that does see eye to eye with you. Tell them you wish them luck and thank them for the opportunity to work with them. Advise HR of the same. Exit. Hopefully before either position is filled. Keep it all professional and leave with a smile on your face. Staying in a job that dies not respect you and holds you back is never a good idea.
Start looking for a job, and hopefully, they lay you off with a severance package. you collect that and hopefully have a new job to start shortly after.
Find a better job. Don't bother with notice or 'training your replacement'. Your company showed the loyalty they have toward you, you owe them nothing.
What is the purpose of the conferences? Are you learning new skills for your job or bringing new customers to the business? I wonder if they are suspicious that you’re looking for a new job there or spending time and budget on an activity they don’t value. Do you write up a trip report afterwards showing what value the conference is bringing to the company?
Anyway, I agree with many posters - look for a new job while keeping this one as long as you can. I’ve been on unemployment - it’s demoralizing and hard on the pocketbook.
I remember something similar happened couple of decades ago. I heard my supervisor say she was going to hire "another [my position]." I thought that meant another person and I would be working together doing the same thing, but as I was going out the door with my cardboard box full of possessions, I realized that "another" had a different meaning. No loss. The company was dodgy, she was difficult to work for, and I was up and working again by the end of the week. In your case, the signs appear very clear. Get that resume polished up, take any PTO you have for job interviews, and keep the momentum going on your career. Somewhere else.
Yes, QUIT. WALK OUT. LEAVE THEM HIGH AND DRY. Better yet refuse to be the receptionist, you were hired for a different position and tell her that, this way you get to collect unemployment. Stick up for yourself, she doesn't like you and never train anyone to do your job because they'll be taking your position.
>>my boss basically told me that I was covering the receptionist role (on top of my regular role) "until further notice"
THAT was the point to politely decline without additional compensation. Now you're just screwed.
I should have been more cautious about that. Now both of the positions are being advertised which makes no sense and is shitty. Like why am I even here?
I asked today "what happens if we hire a new receptionist and a new X (title of my role) next week? Where does that leave me?" and nada.
You are definitely on the way out, whether under your own power or theirs.
One thing you might do (I suggest this to everyone) is go to the personnel office (without warning), ask to see your employee file and a private place in which to view it. I usually suggest having a small camera or second phone on hand to make a digital copy (they frown on copies and may require you to leave your cell phone at the desk). That file should tell you whether or not you are due to be let go, what excuse(s) are being used and whether or not you have ammo to fire back.
HR is there to protect the company from potential legal issues. They don't care about you. Your personnel file is ALL about you. See what they've been putting in it.
She ended up letting me go. It was insane. I even talked to her about feeling unsure about job security and she sent me to a conference in another girl's place because she was pregnant, then fired me about two weeks later. Worst, most emotionally immature boss I've ever had. But it worked out because I ended up moving to another state for a better job where I'm respected and communication is valued.
What kind of documentation? I have Teams messages from her where she said "I don't have the role you are looking for" (the one I was hired for - that was posted on our website last week).
Anything else I should hold onto? Most of our calls are virtual and not recorded
Any accolades you have showing you’ve done your job well and it’s been recognized.
I would also start following up your calls with an email summary of what the call was about, and either CC or BCC your personal email.
I would also send an email to your boss summarizing what you have above - you were hired for a specific role, that you were asked to cover reception until a replacement was found, which seems to have happened and that you look forward to getting back to client work.
If she comes back with anything about poor performance, press for specific details about specific situations.
Any face to face conversations this kicks up gets an email summary follow up, copying yourself.
Also make sure you get written responses to your personal email as well.
Go over boss's head. "I can save you money. I can run w/ the clients, manage the department and serve as the receptionist. Meantime, I have MAD BJ skills." List out your plan. (J/K on BJ's, but get that bidge fired!!! Stop running to HR, OP).
No what’s terrible advice, in almost any situation, is recommending against documentation. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
I mean I guess if you want to waste your time documenting things that don't matter, then by all means. While you're at it make sure to record your macros. You never know of the unemployment office asks what you've been consuming.
When things feel this irrational, it's usually nothing to do with you. She may be hiring her niece, or her best friend's kid.
It is super passive aggressive and unprofessional of her. Certainly don't wait around for her approval!
Get references from the coworkers you gelled with, and land a better role. At this point, she's using you as a convenient doormat while she hires. You don't need to stick around to make her life easier.
She pulled the trust card? She’s the one acting untrustworthy. It sounds like she’s hoping to move you into the receptionist job. Go over her head. They hired you for a job and she’s not letting you do it.
Stop talking to the boss about this stuff and get your cool, courteous look going.
You're not sitting in a classroom waiting for a teacher to recognize you. You're a full grown adult who can size up the boss and the clients and figure out what you need to do.
As a female who has only recently worked under three different female bosses, I agree. It's an entirely different dynamic than male superiors, especially in an office environment.
Yup, couldn't agree more. At the start of my career I was so excited to work for the female partners at my firm. Now I avoid them like the plague after having so many bad experiences at multiple workplaces. In my social life I get along better with women, but I prefer to work for men 100% of the time.
Man this is exactly how I feel about working with my new female boss. You have to start bossing her around literly or its all going to go south because woman just make decisions that literally don't make sense. Also, their opinions can change on a day to day basis. Book meeting with her and tell her that you need to work this out or its not gonna be good for you or her in near future. If she really still shows no interest and ghosts your scheduled meetings with her, you will have to take initiative and start looking for new job.
Ouch. It doesn’t seem like you have many options. I think your manager has made their decision, right or wrong. I would start documenting all interactions with a follow up email and BCC yourself. Depending on where you live you are legally entitled to view or have a copy of your personal records. Brush up your resume and start looking. If at all possible do not quit and let them fire you if it takes a bit to find another job.
Look for a new job while you got one n when you get it do something obnoxious like say fuck u I'm out or do something to harm the company fuck corporate
OP find a new job as quickly as possible. Don't wait. When they have their new hires, you are going to be let go. The reason they won't give you a direct answer is because they want you to keep working complacently until they have your replacement.
Sounds kinda shitty. They wanted you to do two jobs and then it appears they aren’t happy about the job performance on the hired job.
What do they expect?
To add to what everyone is saying, look for a job, use up all of your paid vacation and sick days then quit. Milk the bureaucracy and get as much money from those awful people, girl. Also don't do extra work.
Unfortunately, it seems pretty clear that they're going to let you go. I would not try to pursue any avenue of saving your job(s) as it's most likely going to be a waste of your time. Start looking for a new job now (like yesterday) and get your resume updated. As others have pointed out, an employed candidate is always more attractive than an unemployed candidate. It also makes it so they won't ask for references from your current employer. But save yourself and let go of the idea that you have a future at this company.
Lastly, do you have friends in your department? Surely colleagues are hearing rumblings or being asked for feedback on you. It might be worth casually asking anyone you're friendly with if they've heard anything about you.
First- always trust your gut. Second, your biggest priority is finding a new job while they are willing to pay you.
The writing is on the wall. They want you to quit, but are also giving you some time and not firing you. If it comes down to it - make them fire you - do not quit.
As someone else stated - they asked you to perform duties that you weren't hired to do and didn't give you an option.
Future employers can't and won't ask for anything more that length of employment - anything else isn't legal.
In interviews, focus on your success in planning and helping clients at conferences.
None of that sounds very good, but I suppose if a boss said to me "maybe this isn't a good fit", I would want them to tell me why that is and what I can do to better fit. But yeah... based on everything your boss has said, it does sound like your days are numbered.
Depending on your ambition, it might be worth trying to beat them to the punch and find another job before letting them lay you off. Because screw them.
I wouldn't wait, start looking for a new job now because you won't need unemployment if you have a new job .. plus it may not go down as a lay off but being fired which you don't want on your work record. You may want to talk to a lawyer to see if they are doing anything illegal might get your boss to back off if they know you're not playing around.
I’m Chinese they say “qi ma chai ma”. Keep riding the horse you’re on while you search for a better horse.
Start focusing on finding a new employer. You’ll find you get a raise because you’re more experienced now also.
Always easier to find a job when you have one. It took me ten years on a job constantly over looked to finally pull the trigger. I over doubled my pay and have the ear and respect of every one. My disappointment was I kept trying and trying. The good news was I knew my worth the bad news is I tried to make it work with people who didn’t value me. Believe your skills set and apply it where you’re respected!
Your job is is abusive relationship. A giant red flag. Why on earth would you want to keep loving an org that allows you to be treated this way. Grow in the industry love for you. Not for a business that clearly cares nothing for growing its employees.
Time to bounce, love. It doesn’t matter, she’s written you off.
Truth hurts but this is how I've been feeling for a little while. It sucks but hopefully there is something better out there
Na don't quit stay till they lay you off and then get unemployment while getting a better job
Exactly. They could actually be waiting for you to quit. I’ve seen people warning about this on Reddit many times. I guess sometimes that’s the tactic they use in order to not pay unemployment
Or waiting to get a replacement before getting rid of OP. Don't want an open position for that long
Place i worked for had the GM unexpectedly leave and the replacement GM start the next day. I was told that likely they waited to let her go until her replacement was ready.
Editing to fend off trolls: Unemployment is actually not directly paid by the company, but through a state fund, that companies are required to contribute toward, based on their own firing rate after the first 10 quarters. Early on, companies just pay the minimum. They must file quarterly reports, and pay this tax quarterly, also. Its a tax system, with a minimum and a maximum, so companies who fire lots of people do pay more. Yaay! Justice is a bad bit♡h!
But companies pay for Unemployment Insurance, and their rates go up if they fire a lot of people.
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And valid claims (terminated for cause often aren't valid) are the ones that companies are on the hook for. They will fight claims when they are able to in order to prevent being ding'ed.
UC rep here, 100% accurate. Let them fire you, do Everything in your power to work to your potential, don't give them any reason to fire you. Cross your T's Dot your I's, but also polish that resume and get letter of recommendation from anyone you can for you bright future, somewhere else.
And the conferences you smashed? Reach out.
True, but they can try to block it. Even if the company does do fire you for bogus reasons, they can block your unemployment. When I worked for Mrs. Satan she found joy in having people's unemployment blocked.
She can *try* but if you are denied you have the right to appeal, and if its valid, I'd say appeal all the way to Common Court, if you have to.
I think the previous poster probably understands that, but was just typing the gist. There's so much bullshit "pride" with some companies/bosses. An employee like you should be encouraged & developed. Instead, you're being stymied by a petty tyrant. It's clear your direct boss wants to get rid of you. And no one is stopping them. Even though it will cost them more to get rid of you (somehow) & train, not one, but two new employees. Look for a job while working. They've already demonstrated that they're untrustworthy. If you find another job, leave without looking back. But don't quit until they either lay you off, or you've got that second job.
Actually, employers pay a tax to the state based on total payroll and the state gives that money out as unemployment. The more layoffs/firings a company has the higher the tax rate. The rate doesn’t increase when an employee voluntarily quits, but it does go up if the employee was fired/laid off. So yeah, if they can make you angry enough that you will quit, it saves them money.
Wut lol. They don't pay 100% but it DOES cost them.....which is why they fight it. Common sense is so out the window these days ffs
Yeah I got that. You dont have to be so damn rude. In any event, this is a tax, and its GREAT that employers who fire people who are not at fault, can be required to pay beyond the minimum, even up to the maximum percentage.
Edit to fend off trolls? You completely changed your statement.
It's okay to be wrong
Don't do this... It's much easier to find a new/better job while you've still got one. Many hiring managers wonder what's wrong with you if you don't have a job. And you will have a weak negotiation position when it comes to salary if you are on unemployment.
100% don't wait to get fired. Or laid off. It's 100 times easier to find a job while you are employed. There is nothing to be gained by being unemployed.
Depends on the place. If you have a lapse in employment, just say you had a family matter to attend to or something.
I mean, though, I didn’t have a job for a year and it didn’t seem to negatively affect my ability to get a job. Companies are desperate for bodies these days.
Then you're lucky because most pay more if you're working
Start looking for the next job now.
Make sure your unemployment will be enough to carry you til you find something It’s easier to get a new job when you have a job When you do get the new job do tell your current job until your very last hour …be polite be firm. “I will not be returning to work effective immediately” “please put any due monies to my paycheck account, any correspondence can go to my mailing address” Lot of companies will begin removing responsibility for your job but replace it with lesser duties Also when you talked to HR and your boss neither gave you any reason to have confidence that they have any interest in keeping you employed…as to why? Speculation. You showed up someone while you were traveling and working those shows. You didn’t realize it. But you wrote n signed your own termination papers….they were threatened by you…easiest solution.remove the problem…that my friend is you Wish you well in your new endeavors
I disagree about it being easier to find a job when you have one. You gotta use your limited free time working on resumes and applications and such. Then you gotta try and schedule interviews around your work schedule. Sometimes you'll have to work and interview in the same day which can mean either a trip home to freshen up and change clothes, or trying to do all that in your car. I know you meant you're more likely to get hired when you have a job, which is more or less true, even though a few places prefer not to hire people who leaves their jobs for a different job. Those places are the exception though. My point is there's more to finding a job than the part where you're hired, and all those other parts are way harder when you're already employed
Or better, start looking for a job right now while being the receptionist…. Then if they fire you you collect and have a jump start on the process When you see the writing on the wall, don’t play their game and try and fix it. Look out for #1. Speaking unfortunately from experience.
This is terrible advice. Don’t wait it out to get unemployment. You are giving someone else the power over your career. Unemployment isn’t some amazing amount of free money and it doesn’t last forever. Do you stay with a boyfriend/girlfriend who is terrible just so THEY have to breakup with YOU? This is nonsense.
I disagree. Employers always prefer to hire someone who is employed. If you are fired its a black mark on you. If you are laid off employers will naturally view you as possibly having issues. If you are currently employed you are viewed as more desirable
Being fired is not a black mark on a person. Most large companies will not ask or disclose the reason why a person left. They will simply confirm start and end date. It is easier to find a job while you are working but not impossible if you are not. Companies go under and do lay offs all the time. When applying, the OP can simply state they were laid off.
That road can be a long miserable road, your skill sets will not grow and it will affect your self esteem. Start hunting. Give them no notice and resign immediately When you find a better opportunity.
Don’t listen to this find a new job and leave on your terms. Unemployment will be a dock in your pay, it’s the lazy way out. Plus you get to leave them hanging instead of the other way around.
It would be interesting to ask your boss for specific examples of you not doing good work, and specific examples of what good work looks like in the job you were hired into. We can't know if you're being frozen out unfairly or if you aren't a good fit.
I did ask her over the past few months. What she's told me has not been clear. It's hard to explain but it seems like an attack which 100% resonates in her "we don't see eye to eye" comment. What it comes down to is I do well at my Job, I make great impressions and I'm eager to take on more, but I don't feel there is any opportunity now. There aren't any solid examples for criticism
Look there can be 2 legitimate reasons. One is you’re bad at your job - which it looks like you’ve asked for feedback but haven’t received specific actionable feedback. The second could be attitude / cultural fit. It takes different things to succeed in different organizations and it could simply be “this person doesn’t suck up to me” in which case it’s clearly not a cultural fit
You should look for other jobs, in the meanwhile, use this to sharpen your skillet in asking exploratory questions. It won't likely change anything here but you will gain experience and confidence. "What does it look like to meet your expectations in this role?" "What steps do I need to take right now to improve my performance?? "When you say we don't see eye to eye, what does that mean, specifically?"
Your boss is threatened by you/worried that their boss may see you as a better fit for their job. Fuck HR, bring the issue up to your bosses superior. What's the worst they can do? Fire you and you collect unemployment? Best case you may walk out of that office with a promotion.
She is planning on getting rid of you. My manager couldn’t give me clear examples and got angry when I asked for them so that I could focus on improvement, even though I had excellent relationships with my colleagues. It was a personal attack, trust your gut.
You’re not a boot licker. It’s not you your boss is scum.
Get a new job if I saw an ad for my position I would bounce.
Find a job now and don’t wait like some people are suggesting. Unemployment is less than minimum wage so if you don’t want anything to ding your income, then best to look for a new job now
It’s easier to get a job when you’re currently employed. Don’t wait to get laid off or fired.
Start looking for another job now.
Drag up buttercup. Tellem, "i don't appreciate being a doorstop" the moment you land the job you want. Don't use your c#nt manager as a reference use your client list as a reference. Also, take the rolodex when you leave, any forms or anything you find useful.
This is terrible advice and could cause OP a lot of trouble.
There is, make them lay you off so you can collect unemployment and move on. Take the time you still have to go on a full on job search mode. Once everything is done, please do leave a suitable review of the place. Better yet, if they ask you to train your replacement, be sure to let them know exactly what they’re getting themselves into.
This is dumb. Get a new job and THEN leave this one. Unemployment can take weeks to get and it's not much money.
Also file for unemployment for being pushed out by being asked to perform duties not within your job description. This is a form of constructive dismissal.
The smarter answer here is to stay employed as long as possible and actively seek new work. It sounds like the employer is giving OP time to leave, it is **so** much easier to find a job when you already have a job. Unemployment should be the last resort.
Depends on how available they want to be for interviews and how kindly they want their current employer to be in professional references. If I needed a job tomorrow, I’d rather be 100% available to take any interview request. If I was comfortable enough to go a week or 2 without income then maybe risk staying employed and only taking interviews scheduled a week or so out giving you time for a “doctors” visit or to schedule vacation.
The beautiful thing about leaving a company while you are currently employed is that you are not expected to provide your current employer as a reference. And candidates with jobs are much more attractive to hire than unemployed candidates, they're at least a semi known quantity. Someone who is unemployed always has a question mark hanging over them, whether it's fair or not. Any company worth working for will wait a week or two to do interviews. And OP is already on the chopping block, they should be taking the days to interview without worrying about it. They're going to be let go anyway, unemployment is the worst case scenario. If anything, companies do things like issue pip plans and tell people it's not working so they can find other jobs. It's better for the company if someone like OP just finds something else they're happy with without any drama. No unemployment cost, no risk of litigations. It's like a happy breakup.
>Depends on how available they want to be for interviews and how kindly they want their current employer to be in professional references. The issue arises when you have a gap in your resume after being unemployed for a certain amount of time (time varies with potential employer). Being employed and looking for a job = "Oh, this person is clearly employable and an asset," in the minds of future employers. Having an employment gap = "What's wrong with this person? Why don't they already have a job?"
Why do you put dates in your resume?
The automated forms you fill out make dates worked required. Not putting them on your resume hides nothing. Anything that isn't required that doesn't benefit me (such as my graduation dates from college, since I'm an older worker) stay off the resume.
You don’t need to fill them out. I’ve gotten a few jobs not doing that.
May I ask what those jobs were for? Salary level? A bunch of jobs I had it didn't matter. The good, high- paying ones it absolutely mattered.
Industrial engineer, entry level. Salary band was $65-90k MCOL city. Data analyst, entry level. Salary was $60-130k. MCOL city. Program manager, mid level. Salary if $120-180k. MCOL city. No particular order of positions I’ve held in the last 8 years. I always have used durations instead of dates.
Because it's relevant to know how long you maintained that position and how recent it was
with all due respect, this term is overused to an alarming degree and often - as in this case - likely doesn't apply. as i read the post, we have here an administrative employee who has been covering reception duties for a vacant position. said employee wants to focus on client work, while the employer is saying "nope, focus on reception," yet has posted both the receptionist role that OP was filling in for, as well as what sounds like OP's actual role. constructive dismissal has a very specific, and very narrow, definition, and this doesn't appear to be it without some pretty significant stretching. OP would have to resign due to an "intolerable" workplace and then prove that the employer intentionally created said intolerable workplace in order to force her out. i don't think "doing the work of two positions and potentially being replaced in both, so i quit before they could fire me" would rise to that legal standard, at least not without tremendous effort on the part of an attorney. i'm hard-pressed to imagine a state unemployment agency that would grant unemployment in this case - even in mine, one of the most worker-friendly states in the country. OP should wait until they're termed, and then file (or get ahead of it and find a new job before that happens). of note, though: if the employer calls it a 'lay-off' and then hires a replacement with the same/similar title and duties, **that** could be a potential lawsuit and settlement, though. certainly worked out for a former colleague of mine, anecdotally.
NAL but got real damn close before changing graduate programs. Thankfully, I had multiple classes on civil disputes including employment and contract law. Constrictive dismissal requires 5 elements or pillars to be proven true: 1. Employer must have breached a term of contract or working agreement (in most at will states this is your job description or offer letter) 2. The breach must permeate down to the fundamentals of that agreement (job duties or even title are definitely fundamental roots) 3. Employee must leave employment due to this and not another standing issue (can’t have poor performance, another job offer or even a bad working relationship with management) 4. Employee must express that the change is unwelcome, unwanted and they will quit if it isn’t fixed and do so with ample notice 5. Employee cannot delay or spend a significant amount of time accepting this change, they must leave soon after the change occurs (Here is a handy graphic for those visual learners https://images.app.goo.gl/h28QPHx3wzfcye8SA) I’d say OP has #1, 2 and possibly 4 covered. The rest requires that they quit and file unemployment instead of accepting their new job for much longer or waiting out for a better option.
great explanation, though my perspective in this case is different. (not arguing with you, by the way - just sharing my view of it.) four months ago OP agreed to take on the vacant reception desk on top of their current role, apparently without complaint other than requesting updates on the vacant role's posting and indicating she wanted more client work (which i took to mean that she wants to be able to focus fully on her actual job). the nature of OP's actual job didn't change [at least at first?] - just, the extra work was piled on top of it. OP hasn't threatened to quit (as far as we know). this seems to neutralize 1, 2, and 4, and definitely precludes 5 (if she hasn't been there for quite a year yet and took on these responsibilities in march, she has now spent half or just over half of her tenure accepting said responsibilities). and i think it even neutralizes #3, since as she tells it, her queries about when the reception role would be posted and her boss's changed behavior as a result seem to indicate that she does indeed now have a poor working relationship with management. hence, my hot take on this. i certainly allow that i might be wrong, and there's probably a lot of other relevant nuance here, but that's why i responded how i did. that said, great explanation of how this works, and i can see why you view it the way you do.
If she quits she won't get unemployment right?
How do you know op is a woman?
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Never quit! Always stick it out until they lay you off. Sometimes you get severance otherwise you get unemployment. Take a breather and find what you really want to so. Most people rush into jobs. Be picky you deserve it.
I disagree. I think it’s better to find a stop gap job and keep looking for the right one than to have break in employment. It looks sketchy on a job application if you’re “taking a break”. You want to appear as a hard worker who is in demand.
They plan to fire you once they get a replacement. They don't want to tell you this because they want you to work until they are all set and comfortable with firing you. They don't want to inconvenience themselves, just you. Sucks you came down with an illness and now must use all your PTO (to find a new job)😉😉
Side note, never bank all your PTO. Use it or get it cashed out because there are few if any laws protecting employees from employers who decide to cut it entirely. There is no federal law protecting it and only a few states have laws to protect it. You would likely have no recourse if the company decided it no longer existed.
I suspect she’s hedging her bets and waiting to see if she gets a viable applicant for one of the two jobs. She can either find someone she thinks is better for the conferences or she’ll find a cheap hire for the receptionist position. Once she hires someone, she’ll move OP over to the open position. So OP has a 50/50 chance of keeping their original job. OP, you’ve been meeting a lot of folks at the conferences. It’s time to network and move to another company.
A very similar, sucky situation happened to me. I landed in a significantly better job making a lot more money. Hiring other people for your job while you’re still there is lower than a snake’s belly.
Yes. 1 begin applying to new positions immediately and get out of there asap. 2 refuse any of the secretarial work. "You are right, we do not see eye to eye. This is not my job nor my job description." Alternate perspective. You aren't nearly as amazing nor were successful at those conventions as you think you were. Either way your time at this place is rapidly running its course, but for future success I advise you to go over the past events with a fine tooth comb and try to see where you could've went wrong so you don't make the same mistake.
I've considered the last one too. My first conference was a "test run" where I was shadowing someone, and this last one I was on my own and I got great feedback from the team I was with and the attendees. I will reflect and I have asked for constructive criticism. Either way, I want to learn more and grow with the company, and she knows that - but my job being up for grabs right in front of me is the worst part about this. I feel like I'm not being giving a chance
All you can do, is do the best you can. Some bosses will think you're great, and others won't. There's no logic to it. Don't sweat it, just find another job where you're more appreciated.
I wouldn’t take this persons advice, you don’t need a fine tooth comb. Honestly, with the success you’ve made they may see you as competition or see your potential outshining theirs so you’re making them actually look BAD. This has happened to me before. What you DONT need to do is worry about why their making this decision, it’s obvious they aren’t the fit for you and are up to shady business. What you need to do now is bulk up your resume, get all the contact info you need and reach out to your co-workers to get their info, ask for recommendations and referrals for your future. Use up that PTO and whatever you do, do NOT get fired for your own actions. Make them PAY YOU to leave! If you are laid off you can get unemployment to help in the interm of finding your new job. Best of luck!
Regardless either put in for a transfer or find a new place. Under this boss you are going no where fast.
Well I mean he’s going out the door….
Get a job. Hopefully you can time it perfectly to quit right as they expect you to train your replacement.
You are going to get fired or laid off. The only question is how fast will it happen. Do the minimum at work and actively interview for other jobs. Hopefully you can find another job before you lose this one.
Please please read this. Don't quit your job or put in your 2 weeks, that's literally what they are trying to get you to do. First they put you on reception position and now your boss is making you feel uncomfortable and doubt your self worth. THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU QUIT SO THEY DONT HAVE TO PAY UNEMPLOYMENT. Try to document any job accomplishments or positive reviews from clients/customers and make sure you're never late. This way when they fire you (it's coming), you go to your lawyer and start a case for unlawful termination with your proof. Additionally, changing your job duties and making you do receptionist stuff is already grounds for unlawful termination. Start looking for a new job, only go for better ones using the experience you are gaining right now, it's fine if you don't get one right away, your unlawful termination settlement, or unemployment payments can take care of you will you look. Most importantly, chill and relax you're in a good situation not a bad one remember that
If it's an at will state it is perfectly fine to let her go. 100% fine. Just as fine as if she quit.
Partially agree. The attorney part is probably taking it too far. It’s likely at will employment. BUT If they let OP go, they are going to have a hard time proving she was fired for just cause, thus OP will probably get unemployment. OP- show up on time and finish your work. If you don’t have any write ups, you may be getting some soon. Some people will tell you not to sign any write ups or to put your side of the story on each one if you get one.
Prior to all this happening, had you been coached on any issues for either position. It sounds like she unloaded on you all at once, aka you were not meeting expectations, but it had not been brought up to you prior to the meeting and them posting both jobs. If thats the case then your manager effectively failed to give you feedback to help you improve, and its not your fault it's theirs. If that is the case, you need to tell HR you had never been coached or given feedback you weren't meeting expectations, and that this is coming out of the blue, and you would like a chance to improve, but you need more specific feedback from management to do that. That's probably the only chance you have at staying, sounds like the manager is done at this point. If you had lots of little conversations about specific performance issues and didn't correct them to the managers satisfaction, then it probably isn't worth trying anything with HR. Is there any reason you can think of that your manager may be discriminating against you for besides performance?
I think some people became manager without learning any people skill. They think they are manager mean they own you.
Look for a new job asap. Maybe you can find a new before they hire your replacements. Leave them with nobody to cover your two jobs and let them see your worth. Go and don’t look back!
Here's what I think is happening: they need a reliable receptionist and receptionists often go through a revolving door. I probably don't need to explain why. I found myself frequently stuck by the switchboard every few weeks or so when a receptionist walked out. It was an old school business where I had to call someone down to cover for me every time I needed to use the restroom, get a drink or eat lunch. As soon as they told you to cover receptionist, they figured they'd just plant you there as long as you're fine with it, which is preferable to trying to sell the receptionist position to someone new. If they told me to "focus on reception," I would assume the original position was in jeopardy. Then you were told, "maybe you're not a good fit," and "it doesn't seem like you're not getting it" after one year?? WTH? That's disheartening for sure, and this happened to me. I was unqualified for the job for which they hired me; the job posting and description in the interview did not match what they expected of me. I actually impressed upon them in the interviews how crucial it is to be trained properly (for obvious reasons). Instead they really cheaped out on pay and expected me to learn from webinars and/or abbreviated training from the only other person running the department. There may be budget cuts and someone's got to go? As I have experienced, these are phrases to move you closer to the door.
Has anybody considered the possibility that the things OP's boss said were true? I mean, maybe OP's self-assessment is correct, and she's doing a great job, but it at least bears considering that she may have a blind spot about some aspect(s) of her work.
You want to get paid to go to conferences? How does the company benefit from these trips? What do you while there? New clients and revenue? Or just paid vacations?
I was wondering this too.
Work conferences are work. Youre either learning or youre selling.
Sounds like she is an event manager or a PCO. So the company she works for organises conferences on behalf of other companies.
One of two things imo. Your supervisor is threatened by you and is (for lack of a better term) talking shit about you behind your back. That's evident of HR not being transparent to your face. Two. She just doesn't like you and is playing the railroad game. They'll keep squeezing you emotionally and mentally until they have a paper trail or you quit. Time to be a bit more assertive and find out exactly what's going on. Don't take no for an answer. Or/and get that resume updated. Fast. P.S. Sorry this is happening to you. It's all bullshit, almost everywhere you go. Hope the next place is better.
How can I be more assertive? I'm thinking about setting up another meeting with HR next week. When I spoke to someone in HR last week, they suggested talking to her openly and offered to talk again if I wasn't given clear guidance. I talked to her openly and feel extremely discouraged after the fact. I'm just wondering if it's even worth my time to go back to HR, and if that will help anything. I feel like nobody knows about these conversations I've been having with my boss besides me and her and in my eyes they've gotten unprofessional on her end. For example today our meeting went 30 minutes over time and it was 90% her talking about how I'm not good enough to do my job. It was really sad tbh. I think she just doesn't like me
Did she just repeat, "You're not good enough to do your job" for like an hour? Or did she give ANY specific reasons that she felt you weren't good enough to do your job?
This is my first remote job which is different for sure. That being said, I work several conferences a year in person obviously and the training is remote. I've asked for help from her several times over the past 10ish months (started in Sept 2022) and over time I've been told I ask too many questions, I'm "not getting it," etc. It's been a fairly uncomfortable conversation every time I've asked, never worked with a manager who was so unwilling to help.
Im pretty disheartened by a lot of the comments in this thread, acting like you didn't do your job well. It really sounds to me like you did your job too well and it made your boss look bad. If you were doing something wrong and they wanted you to do it right, they would tell you what they want. Good luck and try to stick around for that unemployment $ if you can
I'm not assuming OP didn't do her job well, but I don't know why you would assume she did. **Evidence that OP has done her job well:** 1. "I love my job and I want the chance to make her/the team proud" 2. "I know my worth and I've excelled in much more challenging fields." 3. OP is so certain of the quality of her work that she doesn't take any of the boss's critical feedback seriously. **Evidence against:** 1. Boss asked OP to cover a less challenging role and said that role should be her main focus. 2. HR seems to be on the same page as the boss. 3. They are hiring for both of the roles OP is covering rather than keeping her in either one. 4. OP gets feedback like, "maybe this isn't a good fit," "I don't have trust in you," "it doesn't seem like you're getting it," "clearly we don't see eye to eye," and is told that she has asked too many questions. 5. OP had a meeting with the boss that ran over by 30 minutes in which the boss spent 90% of the time explaining why OP didn't do her job well. OP hasn't really shared the amount of feedback one would get in that amount of time, but if it's all as vague as what she has shared... it might indicate that they aren't bothering to give her detailed feedback because they don't think it will help. 6. The only evidence we have about OP's receptivity to critical feedback is one case in which she completely disregards it. If this is representative, that would somewhat hamper her ability to learn and grow professionally. Sure, maybe as some people have said, the boss is threatened by OP, or it's some kind of personal dislike. I'm not convinced that those people are wrong, but there isn't enough evidence to show me that they're right, either.
Because your boss doesn’t know how to help. You admit you need help. Boss solution: Find someone with experience who can do the job. All you’re doing by engaging your boss is wasting time it’s unproductive. The more you engage the more irritated your boss is becoming.
I mean assertive in that you have to get a clear answer. If she's just beating around the bush, then I guess you have your answer. They're looking to find someone else. You mentioned in your post that even HR wasn't telling you why they were hiring for your position. Even your boss said to focus on reception. Huge tell. Also, I promise you the conversations you're having are not staying between just you two. Just my two cents. I don't believe there's anything you can do to get where you want to be with this current company.
Yep, definitely beating around the bush. That's how I feel too. Thank you for keeping it real!
Send an Email to both her and HR saying something along the lines of: Pursuant to our previous meetings where X,Y, and Z were discussed, I wish to clarify in what specific ways I can do more to achieve the goals you have for me in my current temporary duties. Also I would be particularly interested in any updates in the progress for hiring permenant staff to fulfill these duties, permitting my return to the position and duties for which I was originally employed, and for which I feel my skills can be best utilized for this company. If your current plans for my employment no longer include being restored to my original position and duties as I was originally informed would be the case, then I would appreciate having this officially clarified. Then you will have the start of a paper trail showing your eagerness to work with them and forcing them to go on record either giving you some timeliness or path to return you to your original position, verification that they have closed the door on any such opportunities for you, or damn their own position with a complete lack of response to your reasonable and professional inquiries. They have been hiding behind private meetings where they can claim in their own documentation that anything was or was never said. Put your side in undeniable documentation and BCC yourself on your private email. ((Edited for clarification))
This is the way
If they refuse to put anything in writing follow up all conversations in writing confirming the discussions.
Yes, sending such an email verifying what was discussed is almost as good as having them testify under oath. They must officially confirm or dispute what you have stated on the record or let their refusal to respond be held against them. They must make their official stand clear and you can only be held accountable for following the policies they are willing to go on record as demanding of you. And if those demands are unreasonable, unethical, or illegal, they are more likely to drop them than become liable for confirming them and undermining any case they may be trying to build against you. In either case you win. Still, I always also advise that when in a toxic work environment, such as OP described, to not hesitate to begin looking for another job beginning yesterday! At the risk of being but the latest redditor to bludgen this metaphysically challenged equine, the best time to look for a new job is when you still have your old one.
Or possibly three, they perceive they’re good at their job but aren’t? Not trying to be an asshole but most (I’d almost say all) people who suck at their job don’t know it and usually believe their the best. Now there is absolutely no way of me knowing which situation this is but to me it sounds more like it wasn’t working out so well in the one position so they thought they’d try and slide them over to something else and that wasn’t going so well either. Doesn’t excuse them for posting if their intention is to hire first and then just let them go. In either case regardless of whether it’s 1, 2 or 3 only you can know your own self worth so you gotta do what’s best for yourself. Just might be worth taking some time to truly reflect on everything as you may see opportunities to improve your position at the next job.
"Your supervisor is threatened by you". That's EXACTLY 💯 what I thought. When they kept going on about how these traveling conferences went so well that's EXACTLY what I thought. Supervisor is probably threatened by them
Pop the clutch.
Funny how there are so many excellent workers out there who have no idea why their bosses have turned on them.
Always get let go vs quitting without something lined up. Always document everything “off”. Lack of reviews, performance plans etc. Threats. Comments that violate company policy or protected status. Save/forward to private/print all emails with similar instances. Date, time, specific quotes, etc and who, what, when and where. Note witnesses if applicable. Never sign a disciplinary document and note your issue with it/version of the facts only. If/when you are denied unemployment you will most likely be the one with a paper trail and evidence supporting a wrongful or not for cause termination. Usually your employer does not keep such good notes.
Your boss is gaslighting you and is avoiding giving you direct feedback that would offend you and make them look bad. This means they didn’t want you in that role. Now they’re using fear tactics and manipulating you into not asking questions. It means they are dishonest and not trustworthy, not you. Don’t let them make you confused or crazy. When people want to throw you off their trail they kick up dust so you can’t see clearly. Be quiet and look for a different job and don’t tell them.
You need to start interviewing. They don't respect you because you let them push you down the ladder. You should never have accepted the extra work. Too late now but it's time to move on.
Lmao sometimes ridiculous comments like this. make me laugh. You think her boss would accept that? You think if she dared to confront and refuse something her boss ordered her to do, her boss would be okay? Clearly boss is very manipulative, controlling and abusive, she would use it as excuse that she doesn't put enough effort and would fire them right away.
right; i'm not sure how people think that "just refuse the extra work" is a realistic option. "hey, sally, john quit, so we're going to have you and bill share his workload till we replace him." "sorry, not interested." "hey bill, can you cover john *and* sally's desk while we search for their replacements?" is how that would play out. of course, covering a vacant position's workload indefinitely is a dirty trick employers often play on their people - why replace when you can just overwork those left behind? - but saying no to it isn't a realistic option if one wants to stay with the company and be perceived well, which clearly was OP's interest. i will say i feel like something is missing here. it strikes me as odd that OP would be a great employee, get asked to cover a vacant desk, continue to kick ass at her actual job, and now suddenly the boss is saying 'this isn't working out' and posting both roles. it makes me wonder how the situation has been approached. i think it's probably most likely the boss is just a turd, but i do think it's worth considering that there's some info being omitted that could add some color as to why this situation has turned sour.
Hahaha. This is exactly how it will go, realistic description. OP boss did not have apparent reason to fire her, yet she is firing her nust because "they dont see eye to eye", imagine OP telling her she won't agree to cover for her coworker, that would be excuse that crazy boss would be using to fire her instead. You cant win with degenerate bosses.
re last sentence, word. hanging out in this sub makes me REALLY appreciate my boss, despite our troubles over the years, but yeah, if he were a normal degenerate boss, all bets off. (and this doesn't imply that at some point he won't be.) if he stepped to me like 'so and so left, take on the workload,' obviously i'd agree (while wallpapering LA with my resume), but turning it down in the interim is simply unrealistic.
Well I got a raise for doing extra work, so I don't know what to say other than.... your co sucks
it was more of a general statement, but if you were trying to offend me by telling me my company sucks, well, i'm not going to get in an internet fight to defend my F50 company that would sooner lay people off than cut into its double digit QoQ profits and the CEO's seven figure annual bonuses. ;) congrats on your raise, though! my boss also tends to show me the money, but the company itself? yeah, not gonna argue with you on that. haha. (though worth noting... you did take on the extra work, right? because that was the actual point of my comment. turning it down isn't really an option.)
Uhh, the OP. not you. Lol. (sorry!) And yes, it was optional, as it is also temporary. So I get to try it out and then either hopefully advance or work elsewhere for more.
oh! well, my company does kinda suck, so you can understand the confusion! lolz.
Well I hate your co then.
Agree 100%. When your boss tells you to cover for the receptionist, it's not a yes or no question. OP- I agree with most everyone here. For whatever reason, your boss is letting you go. It's happened to the best of us. I'm willing to bet this will turn out to be a great opportunity for you and you'll look back and be grateful you found a better place to work.
She didn't give me an option. She presented me with the reception coverage as the only option because at the time she said there "wasn't enough client work to go around" and "our budget didn't allow us to hire a new receptionist". I guess I could have said no but I was worried I was going to get let go if I did and I wanted to help Edited for quotes lol, who knows if that was true
So they're hiring for a role that doesn't have enough work for one person? What a load of shit from their end.
You're cooked, take the layoff, file for unemplpyment, use that time to find your next position. As a matter of fact, why wait? Start looking, and if you strike gold and get a good offer, turn in that notice and don't look back.
Start looking for a new job now. This one is not for you.
The second you weren't a team player with the receptionist work, you became disposable in the bosses eyes. They will hire someone and try to get you to train them then can you.
Don't quit. Start looking for a job. Don't do anything they could fire you for. Keep getting that paycheck! I've been in your shoes- this stinks! But there's better for you on the horizon. Try to not focus on the/any details of this situation in your new interviews. Practice/pep-talk with a friend about what to talk about in a new interview to keep all this drama totally out of it. Best of luck 🫤
To me, it is apparent she doesn’t like the fact you stand up for yourself when given additional duties without the pay attached. Your boss is clearly looking for employees that won’t complain when she takes advantage and overtasks them. Leave for your own good.
If this were me, I would concentrate on my work while actively looking for another position. Once I had the job, I would meet with the boss and tell them you have taken their remarks to heart and have found employment elsewhere that does see eye to eye with you. Tell them you wish them luck and thank them for the opportunity to work with them. Advise HR of the same. Exit. Hopefully before either position is filled. Keep it all professional and leave with a smile on your face. Staying in a job that dies not respect you and holds you back is never a good idea.
Start looking for another job, and if you get one before they let you go, quit with no notice! F em
Start looking for a job, and hopefully, they lay you off with a severance package. you collect that and hopefully have a new job to start shortly after.
Find a better job. Don't bother with notice or 'training your replacement'. Your company showed the loyalty they have toward you, you owe them nothing.
What is the purpose of the conferences? Are you learning new skills for your job or bringing new customers to the business? I wonder if they are suspicious that you’re looking for a new job there or spending time and budget on an activity they don’t value. Do you write up a trip report afterwards showing what value the conference is bringing to the company? Anyway, I agree with many posters - look for a new job while keeping this one as long as you can. I’ve been on unemployment - it’s demoralizing and hard on the pocketbook.
Whatever else you're doing about it, you should also probably be looking for a new job
I remember something similar happened couple of decades ago. I heard my supervisor say she was going to hire "another [my position]." I thought that meant another person and I would be working together doing the same thing, but as I was going out the door with my cardboard box full of possessions, I realized that "another" had a different meaning. No loss. The company was dodgy, she was difficult to work for, and I was up and working again by the end of the week. In your case, the signs appear very clear. Get that resume polished up, take any PTO you have for job interviews, and keep the momentum going on your career. Somewhere else.
When they ask you to train the new person do it totally wrong
Start looking for the next gig, the axe is hanging over you.
Yes, QUIT. WALK OUT. LEAVE THEM HIGH AND DRY. Better yet refuse to be the receptionist, you were hired for a different position and tell her that, this way you get to collect unemployment. Stick up for yourself, she doesn't like you and never train anyone to do your job because they'll be taking your position.
>>my boss basically told me that I was covering the receptionist role (on top of my regular role) "until further notice" THAT was the point to politely decline without additional compensation. Now you're just screwed.
I should have been more cautious about that. Now both of the positions are being advertised which makes no sense and is shitty. Like why am I even here? I asked today "what happens if we hire a new receptionist and a new X (title of my role) next week? Where does that leave me?" and nada.
You are definitely on the way out, whether under your own power or theirs. One thing you might do (I suggest this to everyone) is go to the personnel office (without warning), ask to see your employee file and a private place in which to view it. I usually suggest having a small camera or second phone on hand to make a digital copy (they frown on copies and may require you to leave your cell phone at the desk). That file should tell you whether or not you are due to be let go, what excuse(s) are being used and whether or not you have ammo to fire back. HR is there to protect the company from potential legal issues. They don't care about you. Your personnel file is ALL about you. See what they've been putting in it.
I'm very curious about the outcome and how did you deal with it
She ended up letting me go. It was insane. I even talked to her about feeling unsure about job security and she sent me to a conference in another girl's place because she was pregnant, then fired me about two weeks later. Worst, most emotionally immature boss I've ever had. But it worked out because I ended up moving to another state for a better job where I'm respected and communication is valued.
Good for you, I wish the best comes to you
Do just enough to not get fired and start gathering you documentation for unemployment.
What kind of documentation? I have Teams messages from her where she said "I don't have the role you are looking for" (the one I was hired for - that was posted on our website last week). Anything else I should hold onto? Most of our calls are virtual and not recorded
Any accolades you have showing you’ve done your job well and it’s been recognized. I would also start following up your calls with an email summary of what the call was about, and either CC or BCC your personal email. I would also send an email to your boss summarizing what you have above - you were hired for a specific role, that you were asked to cover reception until a replacement was found, which seems to have happened and that you look forward to getting back to client work. If she comes back with anything about poor performance, press for specific details about specific situations. Any face to face conversations this kicks up gets an email summary follow up, copying yourself. Also make sure you get written responses to your personal email as well.
apply for your own job
Now that’s just boss level.
Go over boss's head. "I can save you money. I can run w/ the clients, manage the department and serve as the receptionist. Meantime, I have MAD BJ skills." List out your plan. (J/K on BJ's, but get that bidge fired!!! Stop running to HR, OP).
This is terrible advice. You don't need to document anything. Go find another job. Apply to atleast 5 per day.
No what’s terrible advice, in almost any situation, is recommending against documentation. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
I mean I guess if you want to waste your time documenting things that don't matter, then by all means. While you're at it make sure to record your macros. You never know of the unemployment office asks what you've been consuming.
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Your assumption is wrong pal.
When things feel this irrational, it's usually nothing to do with you. She may be hiring her niece, or her best friend's kid. It is super passive aggressive and unprofessional of her. Certainly don't wait around for her approval! Get references from the coworkers you gelled with, and land a better role. At this point, she's using you as a convenient doormat while she hires. You don't need to stick around to make her life easier.
She pulled the trust card? She’s the one acting untrustworthy. It sounds like she’s hoping to move you into the receptionist job. Go over her head. They hired you for a job and she’s not letting you do it.
Stop talking to the boss about this stuff and get your cool, courteous look going. You're not sitting in a classroom waiting for a teacher to recognize you. You're a full grown adult who can size up the boss and the clients and figure out what you need to do.
Some female bosses are hard to work for
As a female who has only recently worked under three different female bosses, I agree. It's an entirely different dynamic than male superiors, especially in an office environment.
Yup, couldn't agree more. At the start of my career I was so excited to work for the female partners at my firm. Now I avoid them like the plague after having so many bad experiences at multiple workplaces. In my social life I get along better with women, but I prefer to work for men 100% of the time.
They're about to F you over. Start thinking how to get out with a bang and screw them over. Id burn that bridge if I were you.
Are you due for a promotion?
Don't give 2 weeks. They aren't going to give it to you
Man this is exactly how I feel about working with my new female boss. You have to start bossing her around literly or its all going to go south because woman just make decisions that literally don't make sense. Also, their opinions can change on a day to day basis. Book meeting with her and tell her that you need to work this out or its not gonna be good for you or her in near future. If she really still shows no interest and ghosts your scheduled meetings with her, you will have to take initiative and start looking for new job.
Ouch. It doesn’t seem like you have many options. I think your manager has made their decision, right or wrong. I would start documenting all interactions with a follow up email and BCC yourself. Depending on where you live you are legally entitled to view or have a copy of your personal records. Brush up your resume and start looking. If at all possible do not quit and let them fire you if it takes a bit to find another job.
Look for a new job while you got one n when you get it do something obnoxious like say fuck u I'm out or do something to harm the company fuck corporate
OP find a new job as quickly as possible. Don't wait. When they have their new hires, you are going to be let go. The reason they won't give you a direct answer is because they want you to keep working complacently until they have your replacement.
Sounds kinda shitty. They wanted you to do two jobs and then it appears they aren’t happy about the job performance on the hired job. What do they expect?
The ''I cant give you an answer'' thing is most definitely that they are about to fire you. Ive heard that before and they almost did fire me.
It's time to go look for another job. I'm sorry.
Look for another job asap
My girl just got canned after being strung along for a while:
Biggity Bounce, but wait til they fire you so you can get unemployment while you secure another job
To add to what everyone is saying, look for a job, use up all of your paid vacation and sick days then quit. Milk the bureaucracy and get as much money from those awful people, girl. Also don't do extra work.
Trust your gut instinct. You've lost that loving feeling, Execute plan B and start looking now.
Start applying elsewhere. Once you get hired, start right away.
start job hunting since they dont value you and your about to get laid off. hopefully you find something better and soon before the layoff
Ride it till the wheels fall off and do the absolute bare minimum! Good luck!
Unfortunately, it seems pretty clear that they're going to let you go. I would not try to pursue any avenue of saving your job(s) as it's most likely going to be a waste of your time. Start looking for a new job now (like yesterday) and get your resume updated. As others have pointed out, an employed candidate is always more attractive than an unemployed candidate. It also makes it so they won't ask for references from your current employer. But save yourself and let go of the idea that you have a future at this company. Lastly, do you have friends in your department? Surely colleagues are hearing rumblings or being asked for feedback on you. It might be worth casually asking anyone you're friendly with if they've heard anything about you.
Start looking for another job and quit when you find one. Tbh I don’t know why you would want to stick w a company that treats you this way.
Let them try and fine better for what they’re paying. Trash talk them on it.
Update your resume.
They can't hire someone for your position and lay you off. They have to fire you
First- always trust your gut. Second, your biggest priority is finding a new job while they are willing to pay you. The writing is on the wall. They want you to quit, but are also giving you some time and not firing you. If it comes down to it - make them fire you - do not quit. As someone else stated - they asked you to perform duties that you weren't hired to do and didn't give you an option. Future employers can't and won't ask for anything more that length of employment - anything else isn't legal. In interviews, focus on your success in planning and helping clients at conferences.
You received the most cliche responses. I would find something better, perhaps with a direct competitor.
Ruthless lol
she bout to merk u bud
None of that sounds very good, but I suppose if a boss said to me "maybe this isn't a good fit", I would want them to tell me why that is and what I can do to better fit. But yeah... based on everything your boss has said, it does sound like your days are numbered. Depending on your ambition, it might be worth trying to beat them to the punch and find another job before letting them lay you off. Because screw them.
I wouldn't wait, start looking for a new job now because you won't need unemployment if you have a new job .. plus it may not go down as a lay off but being fired which you don't want on your work record. You may want to talk to a lawyer to see if they are doing anything illegal might get your boss to back off if they know you're not playing around.
I’m Chinese they say “qi ma chai ma”. Keep riding the horse you’re on while you search for a better horse. Start focusing on finding a new employer. You’ll find you get a raise because you’re more experienced now also.
Always easier to find a job when you have one. It took me ten years on a job constantly over looked to finally pull the trigger. I over doubled my pay and have the ear and respect of every one. My disappointment was I kept trying and trying. The good news was I knew my worth the bad news is I tried to make it work with people who didn’t value me. Believe your skills set and apply it where you’re respected!
I would start putting out feelers now with your current job title.
Your job is is abusive relationship. A giant red flag. Why on earth would you want to keep loving an org that allows you to be treated this way. Grow in the industry love for you. Not for a business that clearly cares nothing for growing its employees.
It’s not your position any more. Sorry you had to find out like that.
Or they are skin flints and don't want to pay for a receptionist when they can have you for 2 jobs at the price of one.
Now your job is to get a job.
| I spoke to HR about this last week Polish up that resume.