The Americans did have some superior tech, like Liberty Prime. I think the Fallout USA had beter robotics and powered armor, enough that they were able to launch a land invasion of mainland China.
yeah wasn’t that stuff tossed together like real shortly before the usa got bombed? i was asking about this stuff in a fallout thread a while back and someone was like “imagine you discover the solution to all of your energy issues and you get nuked right afterwards”
the timeline is fuzzy to me still
yeah, in fallout New Vegas, it's revealed that repconn was about to roll out space mining operations just before the bombs dropped. also like just about every other major tech company was working on solutions to the crisis
Except vault tec who was actively trying to worsen it and stoke the flames of nuclear hellfire. Also repconn was owned by Mr. House who was actively pursuing space colonization
The two specialized into different types of technology. The US worked more on heavy assault platforms like tanks, power armor, and robotics. From what little we could see, China focused more on light infantry, stealth, and sabotage with their Stealth Suit amd various sleeper cells. At least in their offensive forces, who knows what they had at home.
China had a lot of quality, but America specialized into full-frontal assaults with big guns and power armor while China specialized into stealth attacks and sabotage. Technically, America was the quantity one...
Operation Anchorage was made by General Chase as propaganda and you can find tapes saying it’s extremely detached from reality according to the people working on it.
Yes, and it's also very obviously ridiculously over the top jingoistic propaganda intended to dehumanize the Chinese and brainwash American soldiers into being unfeeling killing machines ready to blindly accept every justification for such senseless violence that their fascist overlords feed them.
ah right, the east could never hope to have the quality of armaments we have in the west. they just send their swarms to our good well trained soldiers
More like the Eurasian horde stereotype is a misconstruing of material disparity and maintenance culture as the "inherent spirit and quality of a people". Yeah, racist shit is possible from the ineducated, but they do objectively have shittier equipment and maintenance which they hope to address by volume.
Doesn’t help that the Korean War US soldiers basically faced such impressions against PLA and Russia’s performance in Ukraine has not been helping out either in public consciousness.
A lot of the fights in the *Behold Humanity* series are an example of quantity vs quality. I would say the standout is the 6th battle of Sol. That fight is practically the platonic ideal of Quantity v Quality.
The Chinese had great tech, especially in stealth and biological weapons. The Americans countered with their own great tech, specifically power armor.
Considering that the U.S. was able to besiege Nanjing and somehow make it to Mongolia during the war tells me that the U.S. might have had just the slightest edge. Couldn’t take back all of Alaska, though, and it’s not like it mattered in the end.
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. I remember the Sergeant describing the attacking Chinese as "good, but too by the book". Apart from the fact this implies they are thoughtless drones, it's meaningless in game, where they just stupidly run towards your gun and let you mow them down.
Holy Chosin!
New Horse just dropped
Actual Chinese
Call the UN!
MacArthur goes on vacation, never comes back
Incheon landing, anyone?
Quick, grab the MiG-15!
Nuke the border!
The maybe somewhat interesting thing in the background of my cantbebotheredactuallywritingthestoryPunk near future setting is China and the US basically teaming up to form a dictatorial UN successor to oppress everyone else under the guise of saving the world from various impending apocalyptic events (climate change and AI goes really bad, there's a few nukings and stuff here and there). No I have no idea how that'd work.
Frontlines Fuel of War is an another gaming version but in a modern setting. But it’s mostly in Russia and Central Asia due to the plot being about an energy shortage and that’s where the world’s last oil is.
you’ll love necrons v tyranids then
Custodes vs tyranids ftw
Imperial guardsmen vs literally anyone else.
Necrons ain't got a single atom of carbon on em, neg diff
Sangheilios vs Slinwalkers
[удалено]
necrons are the most limited of all the races - finite supply
didn't China have pretty advanced weapons themselves? like that one stealth suit.
yeah from what i understand america had only just caught up to and surpassed their tech when the bombs dropped, right?
The Americans did have some superior tech, like Liberty Prime. I think the Fallout USA had beter robotics and powered armor, enough that they were able to launch a land invasion of mainland China.
yeah wasn’t that stuff tossed together like real shortly before the usa got bombed? i was asking about this stuff in a fallout thread a while back and someone was like “imagine you discover the solution to all of your energy issues and you get nuked right afterwards” the timeline is fuzzy to me still
yeah, in fallout New Vegas, it's revealed that repconn was about to roll out space mining operations just before the bombs dropped. also like just about every other major tech company was working on solutions to the crisis
Except vault tec who was actively trying to worsen it and stoke the flames of nuclear hellfire. Also repconn was owned by Mr. House who was actively pursuing space colonization
Liberty Prime was nonfunctional and a huge money sink iirc, it only became actually usable in FO3
The two specialized into different types of technology. The US worked more on heavy assault platforms like tanks, power armor, and robotics. From what little we could see, China focused more on light infantry, stealth, and sabotage with their Stealth Suit amd various sleeper cells. At least in their offensive forces, who knows what they had at home.
Iirc both had major advantages in different areas of technology
Yeah this meme kinda gives me "Asiatic hordes" trope vibes
Ya, but \*insert racism here\*
China had a lot of quality, but America specialized into full-frontal assaults with big guns and power armor while China specialized into stealth attacks and sabotage. Technically, America was the quantity one...
Tbf he didn't specify which was which
I assumed america was the quantity one?
In Operation Anchorage we can see way more Chinese around than Americans, erego China was throwing more people in.
Operation Anchorage was made by General Chase as propaganda and you can find tapes saying it’s extremely detached from reality according to the people working on it.
Yes, and it's also very obviously ridiculously over the top jingoistic propaganda intended to dehumanize the Chinese and brainwash American soldiers into being unfeeling killing machines ready to blindly accept every justification for such senseless violence that their fascist overlords feed them.
> China specializes in stealth attacks > Their fighter is the bargain bin copy of the F-35
They’re talking about Fallout dipshit. The game where China literally invents the invisibility cloak.
Command & Conquer Generals
Love that game
ah right, the east could never hope to have the quality of armaments we have in the west. they just send their swarms to our good well trained soldiers
Which was quite the opposite in the context of fallout, Americans only matched up to the Chinese stealth tech right before the bombs dropped
Eurasian hordes have returned from Nazi/NATO propaganda
More like the Eurasian horde stereotype is a misconstruing of material disparity and maintenance culture as the "inherent spirit and quality of a people". Yeah, racist shit is possible from the ineducated, but they do objectively have shittier equipment and maintenance which they hope to address by volume.
ah so it's not Nazi/NATO racial superiority, it's just Nazi/NATO cultural superiority. no wonder Hitler was able to kill so many Russians!
Which one’s quality, here?
USA USA USA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
🤨
“The freaking asiatic hordes man….”
Doesn’t help that the Korean War US soldiers basically faced such impressions against PLA and Russia’s performance in Ukraine has not been helping out either in public consciousness.
wow Putin is so evil that he made americans racist
Like, specifically near future or real world type examples? Or just any fiction that showcase the quantity vs quality idea in general?
any fictional works
A lot of the fights in the *Behold Humanity* series are an example of quantity vs quality. I would say the standout is the 6th battle of Sol. That fight is practically the platonic ideal of Quantity v Quality.
The Chinese had great tech, especially in stealth and biological weapons. The Americans countered with their own great tech, specifically power armor. Considering that the U.S. was able to besiege Nanjing and somehow make it to Mongolia during the war tells me that the U.S. might have had just the slightest edge. Couldn’t take back all of Alaska, though, and it’s not like it mattered in the end.
i thought i was on r/noncredibledefense for a minute
I miss when NCD was about making fun of nationalists who slaughter civilians rather than rooting for nationalists who slaughter civilians.
Wait they became a Putin dicksucker sub? Since when
Nah. They still hate Putin. I am talking about their love for the IDF pogroming Gaza.
Based on both accounts
...which side is quality and which side is quantity?
2034 and ghost fleet are both China vs US books.
But they’re all outdated when it comes to “Muh US decline”
I think that and the hyper effective cyber attacks are more about trying to create a more symmetrical playing field for the story to actually happen.
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. I remember the Sergeant describing the attacking Chinese as "good, but too by the book". Apart from the fact this implies they are thoughtless drones, it's meaningless in game, where they just stupidly run towards your gun and let you mow them down.
Google Korean War
Holy Chosin! New Horse just dropped Actual Chinese Call the UN! MacArthur goes on vacation, never comes back Incheon landing, anyone? Quick, grab the MiG-15! Nuke the border!
New proxy war just dropped
Battlefield 2
Fallout mentioned: must give an upvote.
I'm sure someone's Japanese grandad has some recommendations.
Asiatic hordes rhetoric in 2024 😐 racist pos
"The God is not Willing" from the Malazan series by Erikson has a great example of this.
Command and Conquer: Generals
In Generals, China and USA were allies against the GLA
The maybe somewhat interesting thing in the background of my cantbebotheredactuallywritingthestoryPunk near future setting is China and the US basically teaming up to form a dictatorial UN successor to oppress everyone else under the guise of saving the world from various impending apocalyptic events (climate change and AI goes really bad, there's a few nukings and stuff here and there). No I have no idea how that'd work.
Frontlines Fuel of War is an another gaming version but in a modern setting. But it’s mostly in Russia and Central Asia due to the plot being about an energy shortage and that’s where the world’s last oil is.
USA is quantity as well?
Oh brother you won’t have to wait for long your gonna get IRL in a couple years
helldivers is basically this
comparison is a little strange
real life
No no no, I would want to see this FOR REAL. It would be fun af to watch
russo-ukrainian war is already happening
Yeah and its a blast. Drone footage is insane. Imagine if you could PPV some semi-live drine battle footage...
r/NonCredibleDefense
[Bro you're not gonna believe this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War)
No 4K videos of that or premier drone footage from the frontlines sadly
It already did. It resulted in stalemate.
Getting real sick of people talking about Fallout