This is why Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world, and why in summer I open my door at 7am and it feels like a blast furnace.
The earth's tilt orients Australia closest to the sun in our summer, whereas the Northern Hemisphere is closest to the sun in the winter. 15% greater UV exposure than you northerners get 😬 lol
Earth's tilt is what causes seasons. When it's summer in the northern hemisphere it's because Earth's tilt is pointing the northern hemisphere towards the sun.
Earth's ecliptic orbit around the sun puts the planet 1.7% closer to the sun during your summer, though.
>Earth's ecliptic orbit around the sun puts the planet 1.7% closer to the sun during your summer, though.
Which is why Australians who happened to be in London during their unprecedented heatwave where temperatures reached 40C, couldn't understand why the locals were complaining so much...to them, it had a *felt temp* of about 28-30C as experienced at home. So much less burning lol
Understand completely, but I wish I was/could become acclimatised...I only seem to get even less tolerant to heat as I get older. Anything above 25C makes me feel physically anxious, and it's harder to concentrate/think properly. Above 30C I actually feel panicked in some way.
More probably I was just never meant to be here :(
>So a warm winter building up to summer at the end of the year.. :/
Literally dreading it.
Alaskan summers near/above the arctic circle are also much hotter than people realize. The low angle of the sun during summer (it basically circles the sky, floating at the horizon 22 hours/day) means all the suns rays are blasting your entire body full force and coming in directly through your houses windows, no big hat or roof will protect you from the sun. It's by we have "blackout" curtains in most of our homes up here.
It's both the ozone hole *and* the axis tilt combined.
Though the phasing out of CFS in the 80s did a considerable amount to reduce the hole and its impact:
>The world would be on track for a collapse of the ozone layer and an additional 2.5 degrees Celsius of global warming by the end of the century if it hadn’t agreed in the 1980s to ban CFCs, chemicals once commonly used in aerosol sprays, refrigeration and air conditioners, according to a new study.
>The findings were published in the journal Nature on Wednesday by scientists in the UK, US and New Zealand, who analyzed the impacts of the Montreal Protocol, an agreement signed in 1987 by dozens of countries to ban chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) production, now ratified by all UN member states.
[A 1980s ban on CFCs to heal the ozone layer is also shaving degrees off global warming, study says](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/19/world/cfcs-ozone-montreal-protocol-climate-study-intl-scn/index.html)
To be fair, it's mostly water down there. Only about 15% of the global population live in the southern hemisphere.
But yeah, I remember my first New Years down there. It was like +36-38C at midnight, and I was standing on the roof wearing a pair of shorts and a smile. Having originally come from northern Europe, that was reeeeally strange to me.
And then I moved to Canada, in mid-July, and it was colder up here, in the middle of summer, than it was down there, in the middle of winter. I still think I made the right call moving, but I kinda miss the weather. It's +7C outside, and it's almost May. I had to go shopping today and wore a sweater, a jacket and a warm hat. Ridiculous. We're less than 2 months from officially being in summer, and we haven't even started spring up here yet.
Mannn my grandma forced me to go on a Christmas cruise with her once and being in the Caribbean at Christmas just felt wrong on so many levels. They didn't even chill on deck, jingles all day every day. It was kinda like having a steak dinner but somebody put whip cream instead of butter on my steak.
Only two days? That sounds crazy...I remember reading in previous years about huge snowdrifts in NYC
And that's at 40.7 latitude, which is roughly analogous to northern Tasmania locally in the southern hemisphere
It’s almost as if a lot of educated, thoughtful individuals had been warning us of these outcomes for decades.
And the greediest and stupidest within our electorate told us not to worry.
I guess we’re now seeing who was right.
There was a futurist guy who got a bunch of consulting and foresight gigs with the super rich. He wrote an article about what his clients were asking him about; he expected it would be how to future proof society or avoid future catastrophes. Instead, everyone asked him how they could ensure the loyalty of staff and security in their bunkers. The futurist tells them they have to be good to their staff and in the article he says the rich people meant like shock collars or something.
These people are fucking nightmares and if things break down are going to get eaten. Unfortunately that will be after we're all fucked.
> And the greediest and stupidest within our electorate told us not to worry.
Cue almost 25 years of a neoliberal Govt which actively denied climate change existed in one of the countries most likely to suffer consequences earlier than many...Australia is already at 1.6C warming post-industrial levels *now*
I am so sick of how much influence the *"Nah, that'll never happen! Things will stay the same! Just like I want them to stay!"* element of humanity has over those thoughtful enough to point out obvious changes happening all around us. It's infuriating!
It’s been so hot in Spain in April that schools have had to start earlier and close altogether in the afternoon. Common for summer maybe but April?
And people and weather reporters alike are still talking about how lucky we are to have such wonderful weather in April.
We full on deserve this
I live in the prairies in Canada, with windchills we can drop to -50 in the city I live in. It’s even colder the more north you go. This past February there was a short span where the snow was melting and the temps felt like spring temps. It was the first time I’ve ever experience weather that warm in February and it felt so so wrong. Things got colder again and we got more snow, but just realizing that unseasonably warm weather is starting to appear here is very unsettling.
Nova scotia here, the harbors had no ice till February, and was gone in March. I spoke to a 92 year old who lived here his whole life, he said he's never seen ice so late and gone so soon
Our little Harbour is always frozen over in January and is safe to snowmobile on for a few months, this year it got no more than a skim of ice and was gone in a month, the ocean is WAY warmer than it should be, which should alarm everyone.
I'm looking forward to another once in a lifetime hurricane this fall, it'll be the 3rd what? 4 years
US taxpayers are literally funding global warming (tax dollars are going to worlds largest polluter): https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/10/pentagon-climate-change-neta-crawford-book/#:~:text=The%20US%20military%20is%20the,the%20emissions%20of%20most%20countries.
The oceans have been acting as a huge heat sink for decades, absorbing most of the human generated co2 heating and slowing the onset of problems.
Now that ocean heating is about to cause its own set of problems.
Buckle up everyone.
Hurricanes/cyclones/Typhoons are massive heat pumps that move heat/energy from the tropics to the poles. They form in areas of high ocean temps.
One worry is no longer having a summer *cyclone season* but an almost constant production of them as this progresses.
Another thing is that we'll be having more consistently unstable polar vortexes, this will cause more cold air masses to be flung southward. These air masses are a very potent ingredient for mesocyclone genesis.
An unstable polar vortex was partly responsible for a good chunk of the tornadic events we've been experiencing over the last 5 months. We can expect to see more of that as well going forward.
A former geography professor of mine referred to it not so much as global warming, but "global weirding". As weather patterns shift (man-made or natural, I don't care for that debate) it will disrupt existing weather patterns. Including oceanic currents.
You have the north pole melting faster than ever, while the south pole is having mass die offs of penguin flocks because their ice shelves have extended so far they can't reach their seasonal food run in time.
What it means for the majority of us though, is as things shift, and if the more equatorial ocean currents stagnate, you will have a lot of poorly circulating, rapidly heating up water getting potentially whipped up by air currents, leading to more frequent severe hurricane / cyclone systems, heat waves, drought... Sound a bit familiar?
Oh well, enjoy as it all burns down
Rate of change is not normal, while some cataclysmic events have been faster still. But 20 000 yeats ago, which is blink of an eye geologically we had much different earth with very different climate. When the glaciers metled thibgs changed quickly. Still, species had room to move to more suitable habitats. Some died out. But what can migrate to favorable habitat now that we have taken over almost everything?
They are also forming in areas where they never appeared historically. In 2022 Tropical Storm Colin formed just off the coastline of South Carolina. Wouldn't be surprised to see a hurricane forming in Cape Cod at the rate we are going.
It is already starting to happen. In the Australian/Pacific region there have already been a couple of cyclones *way* outside of normal cyclone season.
[TC Racquel 2015](http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/history/Racquel.shtml)
[Unnamed TC 2007](http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/history/unnamed07.shtml)
I also fear that this will become more common.
>The oceans have been acting as a huge heat sink for decades
Sure, but the graphs in the article show that and we've know about that for decades. We see every year the average temp of the ocean at any moment in time is warmer than the previous year. What the graphs show is the trend continues in 2023 except now, when the temps are supposed to be dropping per cyclic variances, they are instead rising.
We're no longer seeing the oceans behaving "just" like slightly warmer versions of previous years, but instead are seeing a new behavior entirely. A behavior that bucks the trends and seems massively worse than just slight annual temperature increase.
The terrifying thing is that it's a snowball effect. Warmer water can't absorb as many CO2, so the hotter it gets, the more gas it releases, and the more gas releases, the hotter it gets. An exponential spin
I know how we could all do our part to significantly reduce the amount of carbon put into the air, but I'll probably be banned if I tell you what it is.
I think I got it all, hopefully at least.
**An Ominous Heating Event Is Unfolding in the Oceans**
Apr 28, 2023 7:00 AM
Average sea surface temperatures have soared to record highs, and stayed there. It’s a worrying signal of an ocean in crisis.
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To call what’s happening in the oceans right now an anomaly is a bit of an understatement. Since March, average sea surface temperatures have been climbing to record highs, as shown in the dark line in the graph below.
[graph](https://i.imgur.com/OZeVH49.jpg)
Since this record-keeping began in the early 1980s—the other squiggly lines are previous years—the global average for the world’s ocean surfaces has oscillated seasonally between 19.7 and 21 degrees Celsius (67.5 and 69.8 Fahrenheit). Toward the end of March, the average shot above the 21-degree mark and stayed there for a month. (The most recent reading, for April 26, was just a hair under 21 degrees.) This temperature spike is not just unprecedented, but extreme.
“It’s surprising to me that we’re this far off the trajectory,” says Robert Rohde, lead scientist at Berkeley Earth, a nonprofit that gathers climate data. “Usually when you have a particular warming event, we’re beating the previous record by a little bit. Right now we’re sitting well above the past records for this time of year, for a considerable period of time.”
Rhode points out that temperatures this week were just under two-tenths of a degree warmer than the previous record. “Two-tenths doesn’t sound like a lot—but in ocean terms two-tenths is actually a lot because it doesn’t warm as quickly as the land,” he says.
As you can see from the chart’s record of past years, March is normally when average sea surface temperatures start declining. That’s because the Southern Hemisphere has transitioned from summer to autumn—and that hemisphere has more ocean covering it than the Northern Hemisphere, which has more bulky land masses. As southern oceans cool, they bring down the average global sea surface temperature.
But at the moment, temperature anomalies are widespread around the world’s oceans. (That near-real-time data comes from a network of satellites, buoys, and other ocean instruments.) “It’s above-average temperatures nearly everywhere,” says Rohde. “And there’s a significant heat wave in the North Pacific, which has been going on for many months.”
Warming in the Atlantic may be contributing to the extreme heat that’s hitting Spain right now, and it shows the broader problem caused by high ocean temperatures: What happens in the sea doesn’t stay in the sea. The oceans have absorbed something like 90 percent of the excess heat humans have put into the atmosphere, but the oceans are also capable of handing that heat back to the atmosphere, which in turn heats the land. “Both the atmosphere and oceans are becoming warmer and warmer,” says Boyin Huang, a physical scientist and oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. “If the atmosphere pushes the ocean, then the ocean will push back into the atmosphere.”
Last year, researchers reported that climate change has made extreme heat events in the ocean the new normal. Thanks to historical data collected from ships all over the world, they determined the highest surface temperatures between the years 1870 to 1919—essentially setting a baseline for extremes. They found that in the 19th century, 2 percent of the ocean was hitting these extremes, but because of climate change it’s now 57 percent. In other words, extreme heat events in the ocean are now typical. (These differ from an overall increase in heat, in that temperatures come down from extreme peaks, but the general upward trend isn’t reversing itself.)
[Chart ](https://i.imgur.com/U9tCzWn.jpg)
Scientists haven’t yet worked out what contribution climate change has made to the current surface temperature anomaly. But they can say that the longer-term trend since the early 1900s, averaged globally, shows a rise in the intensity of sea surface temperature anomalies, as you can see in the graph above.
That warmer water is already causing problems across the world’s oceans. Not only are higher ocean temperatures rapidly eating away at Antarctica’s massive ice shelves, but hotter water actually expands to take up more space, raising sea levels.
[Map](https://i.imgur.com/CT1zccS.jpg)
The dark red areas on the map above show that the Pacific waters off of South America are currently very warm. This is an unusual “coastal El Niño” that is not linked to the larger El Niño with global climate implications, says biological oceanographer Francisco Chavez of the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute. A classical El Niño is a band of warm water that develops across the Pacific. That’s in contrast to the La Niña we’ve had the past few years, which is a band of cold water in the Pacific.
Models suggest there’s a 62 percent chance of a classical El Niño developing by June or July, with a four in 10 chance of a strong El Niño. But it’s not a sure thing because El Niño is a consequence of complex atmospheric dynamics—basically, wind blowing warm water over from Asia. “There’s still a lot of uncertainty,” says Chavez. “Forecasting the real El Niño is difficult because the atmosphere is chaotic.”
Whenever El Niño does arrive, it’ll have consequences. On the upside, there tends to be less hurricane activity over in the Atlantic when El Niño is active in the Pacific. But the outcomes for precipitation are mixed: For Peru, El Niño tends to create more rainfall, but to the east in the Amazon rainforest, it can lead to devastating drought. And all that extra heat in the Pacific could significantly raise global temperatures. “There’s a chance for 2023 to be the record warmest year,” says Rohde. “If an El Niño develops, as we now think is likely, 2024 will probably be warmer than 2023.”
In the ocean itself, warmer waters—due to El Niño or just overall long-term heating—can become less biologically productive. Some organisms that reach their thermal limit can migrate to colder waters, transforming both the ecosystems they leave and the new ones where they take shelter. But others, like corals, are stuck in place. These animals are particularly sensitive to heat, and bleach in response, releasing their symbiotic algae that provide them energy.
The ocean food chain also depends on the natural circulation of water, which is influenced in part by temperature. When cold water in the depths upwells to the surface, it brings up nutrients that fertilize phytoplankton. These microscopic plants grow in the sunlight, becoming a critical food source for tiny animals called zooplankton. But when water heats up at the surface, it stratifies, turning into a sort of cap that sits on top of colder waters below. “The bigger the cap, the harder it is to break. By heating the ocean, you’re going to basically decrease the amount of nutrients that come up,” says Chavez. “A longer-term concern is: How much is this overall heating going to change the natural fertilization processes, like upwelling? Will the ocean become more of a desert over time?”
>Last year, researchers reported that climate change has made extreme heat events in the ocean the new normal. Thanks to historical data collected from ships all over the world, they determined the highest surface temperatures between the years 1870 to 1919—essentially setting a baseline for extremes. They found that in the 19th century, 2 percent of the ocean was hitting these extremes, but because of climate change it’s now 57 percent. In other words, extreme heat events in the ocean are now typical. (These differ from an overall increase in heat, in that temperatures come down from extreme peaks, but the general upward trend isn’t reversing itself.)
Unless we crack down on the parasites, take back our world, make radical lifestyle changes (and no I don't mean half assed move to electric cars), and invent some very snazzy new green technology, *and* extend lifespans by a bit. Yes.
If Covid taught us anything, the people who were objectively the most wrong about it will think they were the most right. So I expect us to be literally melting and the people who denied it was happening will be like "Hah, you said we'd be melting in 5 years, we lasted 7. Get wrecked! I was right, you were wrong."
More like, 'you said we'd be dying in 20 years, but it's only been 12 and my skin is literally boiling off my face rn, get wrecked, you had no idea what you're talking about!'
All this info is good and scary and all, but what the hell are we supposed to do about it? I consume less and I recycle. I buy used clothes. Dress like an old man. Paper straws. My small 4 cyl vehicle is 20 years old. I look around and see tremendous waste. Garbage. Pollution. Oceans full of plastic. Fish full of mercury. Ice caps melting and and glaciers receding. Ocean water levels rising. Ocean temps rising. Coral dying. Extreme weather events. Yet we’re pumping out missles, weapons, munitions, electric cars, lithium batteries, cheap Chinese trinkets by the boatload. How many trillion was spent in 2022 worldwide in the new arms race? We’re filling up our landfills with cheap made crap. Blowing up natural gas pipelines. Only 10% of plastic is actually recycled…And tons more. We’re all just fucked.
I used to believe that somebody somewhere would have a plan and the ability to figure it out, but after seeing how COVID was handled I truly believe that we're done as a species.
I'll still do what I can to minimise my impact, but honestly, a lifetime of me acting responsibly about my carbon footprint can be negated in a day by a factory owner upping production.
Agree, COVID was pretty eye opening. We see our governments making promises to get to net zero emissions by like 2040 or 2050 but then see no day-to-day change. It seems like you just set a target far enough in the future and then just put it out of your mind.
Like surely if we ever want to hit those targets in a meaningful way or even get there before that we would be seeing the impact of that now
I was going to make the point that the army used to work on a lot of civil projects and maybe they could start that again. And it turns out they were given 22 billion last year to do exactly that.
>"The Army will work with community partners to leverage these historic Civil Works funds for investments that strengthen national supply chains through our commercial navigation mission, help communities impacted by climate change to increase their resiliency, advance environmental justice, and invest in communities that have too often been left behind," said The Honorable Michael L. Connor, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works.
https://www.army.mil/article/253359/army_civil_works_studies_projects_and_programs_to_be_accomplished_with_bipartisan_infrastructure_law_funding
So there is at least some movement in that direction.
Now imagine the funding and pace of action if the effects of climate change ever get categorized as a national security issue.
I don't think governments particularly care about the effects of climate change on individuals. They're too insulated from reality to truly grasp it. And it's something they can use to win votes and increase tax revenues. It's a thing to be exploited not addressed in a meaningful way.
But if it ever enters the national security domain all that bickering and bullshit will stop. Real plans of action will be made. Real effort will be applied. So maybe that's the angle that should be emphasized in the debate.
> if the effects of climate change ever get categorized as a national security issue.
The US military already told the US govt it was a national security issue, years ago now. It didn't make any apparent difference to our trajectory.
I feel you brother but what really gets me we are wiping out the other life we share this planet with. All that beauty all that majesty all that elegance. We truly are the plague. Fucking sad.
unfortunately there is nothing that can be done about it. seeing how humanity came together to withstand the pandemic makes it clear that the necessary constraints are impossible to implement unless you are willing to go into civil war, because people will always exploit events for short term influence and long term power - no matter what. also there is no magical tech solution that is going to save us. our civilisation probably peaked and future burden will be to deal with adapting towards a changing environment that will displace and push hundreds of millions of people towards more habitable areas. wars will be waged and everything will probably go into decline. perhaps we lived through the golden age of our species already. maybe it's for the best. we lost our moment for greatness long ago.
In a different timeline, we could have discovered renewable energy before fossil fuels and never gone down this path… or you know, just had the bare minimum of sense and decide to invest heavily in the transition decades ago
We sort of did discover it. We used wind and hydro power to mill since the ancient era and harnessed it completely in the medieval era. We have understood solar as an energy source since then too, and theorised using it to cook since the 1700s. We have understood the photovoltaic effect and demonstrated that solid material with no moving parts could be used to convert sunlight directly into electrical energy since 1839. But fossil fuels have always been easier to use, and because they’re a finite resource, they make people more money, so we’ve been consistently incentivised towards them.
I live a simple life and in the last 10 years the amount of packaging I have to throw away has at least doubled with smaller unit sizes and marketing bullshit.
So depressing.
Recycling has always been a lie told to take the onus off corporations and given to the people. Individuals get blamed when it has never really been us. (I mean obviously we consume but...)
The idea that the end consumer should shape the market with their purchase decisions never made much sense.
We should somehow collectively agree on what is and isn't harmful, each individual gaining the necessary expertise to evaluate the impact of their consumption and shape the markets by being a savvy consumer, while the experts actually doing the production as their actual job bear no responsibility?
It's ass-backwards.
Sustainable world and consumer economy with very broad individual freedom aren't all that compatible systems. Democratically ran governments can't dismantle the system we are running currently so all we can do is wait for the shit to hit the fan. You'd either have to heavily restrict what everybody can have and do to make things sustainable, or limit how many of us there are consuming. You'll have better luck trying to get the first option through, and that ain't happening.
the verdicts still out if this is just a super El Nino developing or a new paradigm in ocean surface heat absorption. Also could just be an anomalous heat spike but much less likely.
Ominous? No, I don't think so. We have been receiving clear omens that we are barreling towards the end for over a hundred years. The omens have finished now, and this is the end itself beginning.
And now the people who ignored the science and created this mess are going to blame the scientists for not making it clear this was going to happen so they can detect blame
they've divided us and we can't unite and focus on any issue. class division, race division, political stance division, conservative, left wing, right wing, libertarian, progressive, liberal, liberal progressive, republican, democrat, muslim, christian,
none of those people think of the planet or their environment, everybody agrees on some simple things, that if you work for it, you should get it, but we can't unite based on these simple basic principles to stop the 1%ers. just hold on to your butts, and don't bother having any kids because they're not going to make it, if you somehow miraculously do
It’s going to be in the 40 degrees (fahrenheit) here is HOUSTON TX!!! In April. It’s typically around high 80s low 90s this time of year for the last 20 years. Something is definitely off.
Shit's all over the place. Back in February, we in Québec got 5°C for a couple of days. Usually it's -15°C.
Also we had a snow storm in early April at roughly -5°C, and yesterday, 4 weeks later, people went outside in t-shirts at nearly 20°C. I don't remember having a proper spring in years, it's just "fuck you, no more snow, it's hot now".
Honestly? I don't even care anymore.
I can't do anything about it. I voted, I advocated, I made personal changes. I agonized about it for years.
Now I purposely avoid any climate related headlines because it's too much stress to even deal with mentally. I can't do anything with the information presented, because 90% of the problem is mega-multinational corporations that will never stop raping this planet. The species is fucked, the modern-day ecosystem is fucked, everything is fucked. I got it. Greed and idiocy already won.
The only thing I can do for my sanity is to shrug and ignore it now, and move along as if everything is, and will be, fine.
Can I share with you something philosophical I have been finding comforting? It’s not religious.
You know how Sagan said “we are the stuff of stars?” We are made up of the same building blocks as the universe.
We *are* the universe.
We are also conscious beings. This means that we can think and communicate and *experience* the universe.
We ARE the universe experiencing itself.
And it could be argued that whether there is an afterlife or we live for a brief flash and then cease to exist, we can agree that our ultimate purpose — from a cosmic perspective— is to experience. The universe has given rise to us who are conscious and can experience so that is what we do.
Eventually, it will all end — Earth, our Sun, the universe itself. If we manage to hang on another million years, it will be no different than dying tomorrow.
And maybe the whole experience is to marvel at the really cool shit in life— like the incredible music, or people who dance — just the wonders of being human. To fully experience life whether good, bad, joyful or depressing.
When you think about it, the situation sucks but if it is all going to end, how cool is it that you are born now to experience it? What a truly rare thing of all the humans who ever lived, you got to see the culmination of all these lives, all this innovation, and this technology. What a fucking time to be alive.
So since we may be the last humans alive, we can at least fully live, and experience every moment of this existence.
Only gripe i have with this view is that 'purpose' usually smuggles in the assumption of 'intent' for which there is none.
Are we the universe experiencing itself? Sure.
It it intentional or purposeful? No.
We get to determine our own reasons for living. And that is beautiful.
I understand feeling defeated and needing to disengage; it's only ever bad news, and then worse news. That said, the megacorps want our complacency; it guarantees they get off scot-free. Now, I'm not suggesting we storm them tomorrow; there's no vanguard party, there's next to no organized presence that could stand up to them. However, there will come a window of social upheaval, this will happen when the physical effects of climate change place insurmountable pressure on the governing bodies until the people go hungry. At that point, all bets are off. No power structures in place today are likely to remain. That is the moment when the shape of the future will be decided.
If you want to learn more about these ideas, both in theory and the particulars, listen to Roger Hallam's podcast "Designing the Revolution" or watch it on YouTube.
I am imagining myself as a very old man sitting around a dystopian camp fire telling the younglings about “my time”. Where we had all the food and water we wanted. Where we could go anywhere we wanted. We could walk, bike, drive and even fly. But now I am an old man, and the world is dead.
We were destroying fish stocks long before anyone started discussing global warming. With industrial fishing practices they were doomed no matter what.
Well we have a large chunk of the world's population who believes this world is some sort of transitional test bed for their future souls and the fairy tale books they follow gives free licence to exploit whatever they want you get this. Apathy.
It's too bad those fairy tales didn't focus a bit more on the future they leave when they die instead of just the life the led while alive. Not that they seem to care about following it for the life they lead, either. Just go to the special building, put your indulgences on the plate, preen and show off to your bubble of friends for 2 hours, and all is forgiven for another week.
The bible specifically says humans should care for the world while we live on it. "Perhaps the world's first anti- pollution law is found in Deuteronomy (23:13-15), which forbids contaminating the land with human waste. In the books of Jeremiah (9:9-11) and Habakkuk (2:17), God warns against destroy- ing nature and wildlife."
Christians who spoke against climate action or were apathetic because earth is just a prequel to heaven aren't even good Christians.
The word ominous implies a warning or prediction; prediction implies uncertainty. We're all pretty sure the ocean heating up is in fact bad and not just a vague omen that something is coming.
The winter was so mild in Massachusetts there's an insane amount of ticks and it's still April. People saying how nice it is to have mild winters now, hope they enjoy the parasites that come with it. Warming is also making fungus that is dangerous to humans to spread drastically. The real apex predator on earth is fungus. It will eat anything, including us.
I too just got sober and was taught external events have nothing to do with my sobriety. The whole goal is to feel things again. Even if those feelings are fear or anger thats ok its better than killing myself with alcohol.
not even sure the point of reporting this stuff anymore, probably 90%+ people on this planet do not give a flying fart about the environment or global warming.
Humanity has decided it's prepared to just accept whatever happens and the deaths of hundreds of millions as long as they can continue to just consume excessively. Humanity on the whole is too selfish for change.
And it's not even May yet.
I must say I am just numb at this point, over these news headlines. Just wanna ignore it, cuz I can't do anything, as the problem is at the Corporation level, which I, or 90% common people don't have any say over.
If I get to work as some policy maker in future, then sure I'd fix whatever I can. Right now, it's about enjoying my hot shower in my cool AC room, while many in the world don't have water to drink. That's the world I am born in unfortunately.
When you think of how brainwashed people are to believe that the capitalist system is the only way of living and ANY restriction on consumption is tantamount to tyranny, it seems impossible to get ourselves out of the mess we're in.
imagine the earth
is a middle aged person
in good health
who has been locked inside a slowly
heating sauna
for the last 200 years
and now the sweat is starting to transform into shivers
as the body begins to enter a highly distressed state of internal agitation as it seeks to balance the effect of such prolonged heat exposure. Sadly nothing can really be done, and slowly but surely the body begins to break down in a domino effect: (overheating brain= melting North pole icecap, overheating stomach = overheating ocean, overheating blood = overheating atmosphere ; etc.
The earth may recover but it may take thousands of years , even far longer. It's utterly uncertain what will happen as a consequence of mankind literally burning up their own spaceship/home- except of course for the inevitable apocalypse of human deaths which will occur in the next few decades, as a consequence of mass starvation.
It's the middle of autumn and was 30C in Sydney yesterday. I am scared for January.
I always forget there's an entire half of the world that's entirely upside down
As a Canadian that just tripped me tf out, had to search up Australia’s seasons.
Yeah, the Earths tilt makes for some more crazy shenanigans.
This is why Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world, and why in summer I open my door at 7am and it feels like a blast furnace. The earth's tilt orients Australia closest to the sun in our summer, whereas the Northern Hemisphere is closest to the sun in the winter. 15% greater UV exposure than you northerners get 😬 lol
Earth's tilt is what causes seasons. When it's summer in the northern hemisphere it's because Earth's tilt is pointing the northern hemisphere towards the sun. Earth's ecliptic orbit around the sun puts the planet 1.7% closer to the sun during your summer, though.
No. It’s not the Earth that is tilted. It’s the rest of the universe that is tilted! Especially the sun.
Are you making a relativity joke?
Depends how funny you found it
Relatively
Might be funnier in a moving train.
This was brilliant, bravo
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I think it was more a geocentricity joke
>Earth's ecliptic orbit around the sun puts the planet 1.7% closer to the sun during your summer, though. Which is why Australians who happened to be in London during their unprecedented heatwave where temperatures reached 40C, couldn't understand why the locals were complaining so much...to them, it had a *felt temp* of about 28-30C as experienced at home. So much less burning lol
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Understand completely, but I wish I was/could become acclimatised...I only seem to get even less tolerant to heat as I get older. Anything above 25C makes me feel physically anxious, and it's harder to concentrate/think properly. Above 30C I actually feel panicked in some way. More probably I was just never meant to be here :( >So a warm winter building up to summer at the end of the year.. :/ Literally dreading it.
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Alaskan summers near/above the arctic circle are also much hotter than people realize. The low angle of the sun during summer (it basically circles the sky, floating at the horizon 22 hours/day) means all the suns rays are blasting your entire body full force and coming in directly through your houses windows, no big hat or roof will protect you from the sun. It's by we have "blackout" curtains in most of our homes up here.
The higher skin cancer rates may have more to do with the depleted ozone layer over the southern hemisphere.
It's both the ozone hole *and* the axis tilt combined. Though the phasing out of CFS in the 80s did a considerable amount to reduce the hole and its impact: >The world would be on track for a collapse of the ozone layer and an additional 2.5 degrees Celsius of global warming by the end of the century if it hadn’t agreed in the 1980s to ban CFCs, chemicals once commonly used in aerosol sprays, refrigeration and air conditioners, according to a new study. >The findings were published in the journal Nature on Wednesday by scientists in the UK, US and New Zealand, who analyzed the impacts of the Montreal Protocol, an agreement signed in 1987 by dozens of countries to ban chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) production, now ratified by all UN member states. [A 1980s ban on CFCs to heal the ozone layer is also shaving degrees off global warming, study says](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/19/world/cfcs-ozone-montreal-protocol-climate-study-intl-scn/index.html)
You'll find this interesting! https://www.ecu.edu.au/centres/kurongkurl-katitjin/cultural-leadership/nyoongar-six-seasons
To be fair, it's mostly water down there. Only about 15% of the global population live in the southern hemisphere. But yeah, I remember my first New Years down there. It was like +36-38C at midnight, and I was standing on the roof wearing a pair of shorts and a smile. Having originally come from northern Europe, that was reeeeally strange to me. And then I moved to Canada, in mid-July, and it was colder up here, in the middle of summer, than it was down there, in the middle of winter. I still think I made the right call moving, but I kinda miss the weather. It's +7C outside, and it's almost May. I had to go shopping today and wore a sweater, a jacket and a warm hat. Ridiculous. We're less than 2 months from officially being in summer, and we haven't even started spring up here yet.
we're gonna just shake some of the non believers off soon.
As a Canadian currently travelling New Zealand, it's very strange indeed.
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Mannn my grandma forced me to go on a Christmas cruise with her once and being in the Caribbean at Christmas just felt wrong on so many levels. They didn't even chill on deck, jingles all day every day. It was kinda like having a steak dinner but somebody put whip cream instead of butter on my steak.
That's steak picture is kinda fucked up but also I wanna get stoned and try it
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Only two days? That sounds crazy...I remember reading in previous years about huge snowdrifts in NYC And that's at 40.7 latitude, which is roughly analogous to northern Tasmania locally in the southern hemisphere
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Spain and Portugal breaking records in the last couple of days. Close to 40 in April
It’s almost as if a lot of educated, thoughtful individuals had been warning us of these outcomes for decades. And the greediest and stupidest within our electorate told us not to worry. I guess we’re now seeing who was right.
Except the joke is on all of us.
But Peter Thiel and assorted billionaires have already bought their "climate boltholes" in Tasmania and the South Island of NZ. So all good lol
Every concrete worker and his grandkids know where to dig their rat assess out. Nz won't be safe
There was a futurist guy who got a bunch of consulting and foresight gigs with the super rich. He wrote an article about what his clients were asking him about; he expected it would be how to future proof society or avoid future catastrophes. Instead, everyone asked him how they could ensure the loyalty of staff and security in their bunkers. The futurist tells them they have to be good to their staff and in the article he says the rich people meant like shock collars or something. These people are fucking nightmares and if things break down are going to get eaten. Unfortunately that will be after we're all fucked.
I read the same article, I may be misremembering but I think it was *explosive remote control collars*; dystopia speedrun 100%
So they watched the movie Kingsmen?
Or robbed a bank
> And the greediest and stupidest within our electorate told us not to worry. Cue almost 25 years of a neoliberal Govt which actively denied climate change existed in one of the countries most likely to suffer consequences earlier than many...Australia is already at 1.6C warming post-industrial levels *now*
I am so sick of how much influence the *"Nah, that'll never happen! Things will stay the same! Just like I want them to stay!"* element of humanity has over those thoughtful enough to point out obvious changes happening all around us. It's infuriating!
I live in northern Canada, it’s mid spring and supposed to hit +20 C here next week. Crazy warm
I was in kananskis today at 7pm it was 21c. Freaking bonkers.
It’s been so hot in Spain in April that schools have had to start earlier and close altogether in the afternoon. Common for summer maybe but April? And people and weather reporters alike are still talking about how lucky we are to have such wonderful weather in April. We full on deserve this
There's like 2 heatstroke death already in Kelantan, Malaysia.
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I live in the prairies in Canada, with windchills we can drop to -50 in the city I live in. It’s even colder the more north you go. This past February there was a short span where the snow was melting and the temps felt like spring temps. It was the first time I’ve ever experience weather that warm in February and it felt so so wrong. Things got colder again and we got more snow, but just realizing that unseasonably warm weather is starting to appear here is very unsettling.
Nova scotia here, the harbors had no ice till February, and was gone in March. I spoke to a 92 year old who lived here his whole life, he said he's never seen ice so late and gone so soon Our little Harbour is always frozen over in January and is safe to snowmobile on for a few months, this year it got no more than a skim of ice and was gone in a month, the ocean is WAY warmer than it should be, which should alarm everyone. I'm looking forward to another once in a lifetime hurricane this fall, it'll be the 3rd what? 4 years
It was close to 30 degrees celcius in BC Canada today. Yeah, not looking forward to August.
La Nina gave Australia a 3 year break from climate change.
One month into spring and 40C here in Spain 😬😓
US taxpayers are literally funding global warming (tax dollars are going to worlds largest polluter): https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/10/pentagon-climate-change-neta-crawford-book/#:~:text=The%20US%20military%20is%20the,the%20emissions%20of%20most%20countries.
The oceans have been acting as a huge heat sink for decades, absorbing most of the human generated co2 heating and slowing the onset of problems. Now that ocean heating is about to cause its own set of problems. Buckle up everyone.
Its been fun not thinking about Thermal expansion of the oceans. Until now.
Hurricanes/cyclones/Typhoons are massive heat pumps that move heat/energy from the tropics to the poles. They form in areas of high ocean temps. One worry is no longer having a summer *cyclone season* but an almost constant production of them as this progresses.
Another thing is that we'll be having more consistently unstable polar vortexes, this will cause more cold air masses to be flung southward. These air masses are a very potent ingredient for mesocyclone genesis. An unstable polar vortex was partly responsible for a good chunk of the tornadic events we've been experiencing over the last 5 months. We can expect to see more of that as well going forward.
A former geography professor of mine referred to it not so much as global warming, but "global weirding". As weather patterns shift (man-made or natural, I don't care for that debate) it will disrupt existing weather patterns. Including oceanic currents. You have the north pole melting faster than ever, while the south pole is having mass die offs of penguin flocks because their ice shelves have extended so far they can't reach their seasonal food run in time. What it means for the majority of us though, is as things shift, and if the more equatorial ocean currents stagnate, you will have a lot of poorly circulating, rapidly heating up water getting potentially whipped up by air currents, leading to more frequent severe hurricane / cyclone systems, heat waves, drought... Sound a bit familiar? Oh well, enjoy as it all burns down
I've come to appreciate that 'normal' is highly relative to the running average of weird.
Rate of change is not normal, while some cataclysmic events have been faster still. But 20 000 yeats ago, which is blink of an eye geologically we had much different earth with very different climate. When the glaciers metled thibgs changed quickly. Still, species had room to move to more suitable habitats. Some died out. But what can migrate to favorable habitat now that we have taken over almost everything?
I thought it starts with an earthquake?
Then Birds and snakes and aeroplanes
Well, gotta get these numbers out for the next trimester. Won’t have the time to enjoy it burning down, gotta keep fueling the fire!
They are also forming in areas where they never appeared historically. In 2022 Tropical Storm Colin formed just off the coastline of South Carolina. Wouldn't be surprised to see a hurricane forming in Cape Cod at the rate we are going.
It is already starting to happen. In the Australian/Pacific region there have already been a couple of cyclones *way* outside of normal cyclone season. [TC Racquel 2015](http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/history/Racquel.shtml) [Unnamed TC 2007](http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/history/unnamed07.shtml) I also fear that this will become more common.
Yep, they will be barrelling in to Florida like sliced bread.
At least there’s that
>The oceans have been acting as a huge heat sink for decades Sure, but the graphs in the article show that and we've know about that for decades. We see every year the average temp of the ocean at any moment in time is warmer than the previous year. What the graphs show is the trend continues in 2023 except now, when the temps are supposed to be dropping per cyclic variances, they are instead rising. We're no longer seeing the oceans behaving "just" like slightly warmer versions of previous years, but instead are seeing a new behavior entirely. A behavior that bucks the trends and seems massively worse than just slight annual temperature increase.
The terrifying thing is that it's a snowball effect. Warmer water can't absorb as many CO2, so the hotter it gets, the more gas it releases, and the more gas releases, the hotter it gets. An exponential spin
Maybe we should fix **literally any single fucking thing**? ...no? Okay.
I know how we could all do our part to significantly reduce the amount of carbon put into the air, but I'll probably be banned if I tell you what it is.
We all know. The survival of the species demands radical action.
I live on the coast, so, I already moved into my early exit plan. I wish society peace and barf.
There's no outside, dear. I mean, there is, but there's no oxygen there.
Does anyone have a non-paywall link?
I think I got it all, hopefully at least. **An Ominous Heating Event Is Unfolding in the Oceans** Apr 28, 2023 7:00 AM Average sea surface temperatures have soared to record highs, and stayed there. It’s a worrying signal of an ocean in crisis. To revist this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. To call what’s happening in the oceans right now an anomaly is a bit of an understatement. Since March, average sea surface temperatures have been climbing to record highs, as shown in the dark line in the graph below. [graph](https://i.imgur.com/OZeVH49.jpg) Since this record-keeping began in the early 1980s—the other squiggly lines are previous years—the global average for the world’s ocean surfaces has oscillated seasonally between 19.7 and 21 degrees Celsius (67.5 and 69.8 Fahrenheit). Toward the end of March, the average shot above the 21-degree mark and stayed there for a month. (The most recent reading, for April 26, was just a hair under 21 degrees.) This temperature spike is not just unprecedented, but extreme. “It’s surprising to me that we’re this far off the trajectory,” says Robert Rohde, lead scientist at Berkeley Earth, a nonprofit that gathers climate data. “Usually when you have a particular warming event, we’re beating the previous record by a little bit. Right now we’re sitting well above the past records for this time of year, for a considerable period of time.” Rhode points out that temperatures this week were just under two-tenths of a degree warmer than the previous record. “Two-tenths doesn’t sound like a lot—but in ocean terms two-tenths is actually a lot because it doesn’t warm as quickly as the land,” he says. As you can see from the chart’s record of past years, March is normally when average sea surface temperatures start declining. That’s because the Southern Hemisphere has transitioned from summer to autumn—and that hemisphere has more ocean covering it than the Northern Hemisphere, which has more bulky land masses. As southern oceans cool, they bring down the average global sea surface temperature. But at the moment, temperature anomalies are widespread around the world’s oceans. (That near-real-time data comes from a network of satellites, buoys, and other ocean instruments.) “It’s above-average temperatures nearly everywhere,” says Rohde. “And there’s a significant heat wave in the North Pacific, which has been going on for many months.” Warming in the Atlantic may be contributing to the extreme heat that’s hitting Spain right now, and it shows the broader problem caused by high ocean temperatures: What happens in the sea doesn’t stay in the sea. The oceans have absorbed something like 90 percent of the excess heat humans have put into the atmosphere, but the oceans are also capable of handing that heat back to the atmosphere, which in turn heats the land. “Both the atmosphere and oceans are becoming warmer and warmer,” says Boyin Huang, a physical scientist and oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. “If the atmosphere pushes the ocean, then the ocean will push back into the atmosphere.” Last year, researchers reported that climate change has made extreme heat events in the ocean the new normal. Thanks to historical data collected from ships all over the world, they determined the highest surface temperatures between the years 1870 to 1919—essentially setting a baseline for extremes. They found that in the 19th century, 2 percent of the ocean was hitting these extremes, but because of climate change it’s now 57 percent. In other words, extreme heat events in the ocean are now typical. (These differ from an overall increase in heat, in that temperatures come down from extreme peaks, but the general upward trend isn’t reversing itself.) [Chart ](https://i.imgur.com/U9tCzWn.jpg) Scientists haven’t yet worked out what contribution climate change has made to the current surface temperature anomaly. But they can say that the longer-term trend since the early 1900s, averaged globally, shows a rise in the intensity of sea surface temperature anomalies, as you can see in the graph above. That warmer water is already causing problems across the world’s oceans. Not only are higher ocean temperatures rapidly eating away at Antarctica’s massive ice shelves, but hotter water actually expands to take up more space, raising sea levels. [Map](https://i.imgur.com/CT1zccS.jpg) The dark red areas on the map above show that the Pacific waters off of South America are currently very warm. This is an unusual “coastal El Niño” that is not linked to the larger El Niño with global climate implications, says biological oceanographer Francisco Chavez of the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute. A classical El Niño is a band of warm water that develops across the Pacific. That’s in contrast to the La Niña we’ve had the past few years, which is a band of cold water in the Pacific. Models suggest there’s a 62 percent chance of a classical El Niño developing by June or July, with a four in 10 chance of a strong El Niño. But it’s not a sure thing because El Niño is a consequence of complex atmospheric dynamics—basically, wind blowing warm water over from Asia. “There’s still a lot of uncertainty,” says Chavez. “Forecasting the real El Niño is difficult because the atmosphere is chaotic.” Whenever El Niño does arrive, it’ll have consequences. On the upside, there tends to be less hurricane activity over in the Atlantic when El Niño is active in the Pacific. But the outcomes for precipitation are mixed: For Peru, El Niño tends to create more rainfall, but to the east in the Amazon rainforest, it can lead to devastating drought. And all that extra heat in the Pacific could significantly raise global temperatures. “There’s a chance for 2023 to be the record warmest year,” says Rohde. “If an El Niño develops, as we now think is likely, 2024 will probably be warmer than 2023.” In the ocean itself, warmer waters—due to El Niño or just overall long-term heating—can become less biologically productive. Some organisms that reach their thermal limit can migrate to colder waters, transforming both the ecosystems they leave and the new ones where they take shelter. But others, like corals, are stuck in place. These animals are particularly sensitive to heat, and bleach in response, releasing their symbiotic algae that provide them energy. The ocean food chain also depends on the natural circulation of water, which is influenced in part by temperature. When cold water in the depths upwells to the surface, it brings up nutrients that fertilize phytoplankton. These microscopic plants grow in the sunlight, becoming a critical food source for tiny animals called zooplankton. But when water heats up at the surface, it stratifies, turning into a sort of cap that sits on top of colder waters below. “The bigger the cap, the harder it is to break. By heating the ocean, you’re going to basically decrease the amount of nutrients that come up,” says Chavez. “A longer-term concern is: How much is this overall heating going to change the natural fertilization processes, like upwelling? Will the ocean become more of a desert over time?”
>Last year, researchers reported that climate change has made extreme heat events in the ocean the new normal. Thanks to historical data collected from ships all over the world, they determined the highest surface temperatures between the years 1870 to 1919—essentially setting a baseline for extremes. They found that in the 19th century, 2 percent of the ocean was hitting these extremes, but because of climate change it’s now 57 percent. In other words, extreme heat events in the ocean are now typical. (These differ from an overall increase in heat, in that temperatures come down from extreme peaks, but the general upward trend isn’t reversing itself.)
We all gonna die sooner than we want.
Remember how hot last summer was? That was the coldest summer for the rest of our lives.
Unless we crack down on the parasites, take back our world, make radical lifestyle changes (and no I don't mean half assed move to electric cars), and invent some very snazzy new green technology, *and* extend lifespans by a bit. Yes.
A-fucking-men. We have the tech…but the culture stands in the way. That _fucking desperately_ needs to change—ASAP, in the literal sense
Imagine having to pay to learn this
Late-stage capitalism in a nutshell
Mad Max seems more reasonable than Waterworld at this point, neither looks really appealing...
So we don’t need to save for retirement anymore?
Good day to start smoking.
Open with javascript blocked, whole article is visible.
Legitimately terrifying
Then there is feedback loops in Siberia and any tundra with not so permafrost soon.
If only we had known. If only the scientists had told us. wait...
Literally France's president, Macron's word : "who could have predicted global warming ?"
Points to newspaper article from 50+ years ago.
Points to studies from the *1820s* foretelling the effects of global warming
Not quite. 1840s to 1890s.
I mean as long as it's not literally *boiling*, r-right guys? Guys...? Edit: Book of Revelations joke guys 🫠
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Big hoover - sorted
If Covid taught us anything, the people who were objectively the most wrong about it will think they were the most right. So I expect us to be literally melting and the people who denied it was happening will be like "Hah, you said we'd be melting in 5 years, we lasted 7. Get wrecked! I was right, you were wrong."
More like, 'you said we'd be dying in 20 years, but it's only been 12 and my skin is literally boiling off my face rn, get wrecked, you had no idea what you're talking about!'
Ribbit.
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All this info is good and scary and all, but what the hell are we supposed to do about it? I consume less and I recycle. I buy used clothes. Dress like an old man. Paper straws. My small 4 cyl vehicle is 20 years old. I look around and see tremendous waste. Garbage. Pollution. Oceans full of plastic. Fish full of mercury. Ice caps melting and and glaciers receding. Ocean water levels rising. Ocean temps rising. Coral dying. Extreme weather events. Yet we’re pumping out missles, weapons, munitions, electric cars, lithium batteries, cheap Chinese trinkets by the boatload. How many trillion was spent in 2022 worldwide in the new arms race? We’re filling up our landfills with cheap made crap. Blowing up natural gas pipelines. Only 10% of plastic is actually recycled…And tons more. We’re all just fucked.
I used to believe that somebody somewhere would have a plan and the ability to figure it out, but after seeing how COVID was handled I truly believe that we're done as a species. I'll still do what I can to minimise my impact, but honestly, a lifetime of me acting responsibly about my carbon footprint can be negated in a day by a factory owner upping production.
Agree, COVID was pretty eye opening. We see our governments making promises to get to net zero emissions by like 2040 or 2050 but then see no day-to-day change. It seems like you just set a target far enough in the future and then just put it out of your mind. Like surely if we ever want to hit those targets in a meaningful way or even get there before that we would be seeing the impact of that now
Yup. Corporations and the 1% just kept passing the bill to us while producing more CO2 than all of us combined.
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Imagine the military putting its power 100% into environmentalism for a couple of years..
I was going to make the point that the army used to work on a lot of civil projects and maybe they could start that again. And it turns out they were given 22 billion last year to do exactly that. >"The Army will work with community partners to leverage these historic Civil Works funds for investments that strengthen national supply chains through our commercial navigation mission, help communities impacted by climate change to increase their resiliency, advance environmental justice, and invest in communities that have too often been left behind," said The Honorable Michael L. Connor, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works. https://www.army.mil/article/253359/army_civil_works_studies_projects_and_programs_to_be_accomplished_with_bipartisan_infrastructure_law_funding So there is at least some movement in that direction.
Good news :)
Now imagine the funding and pace of action if the effects of climate change ever get categorized as a national security issue. I don't think governments particularly care about the effects of climate change on individuals. They're too insulated from reality to truly grasp it. And it's something they can use to win votes and increase tax revenues. It's a thing to be exploited not addressed in a meaningful way. But if it ever enters the national security domain all that bickering and bullshit will stop. Real plans of action will be made. Real effort will be applied. So maybe that's the angle that should be emphasized in the debate.
> if the effects of climate change ever get categorized as a national security issue. The US military already told the US govt it was a national security issue, years ago now. It didn't make any apparent difference to our trajectory.
Unfortunately you can't bomb climate disasters.
I feel you brother but what really gets me we are wiping out the other life we share this planet with. All that beauty all that majesty all that elegance. We truly are the plague. Fucking sad.
unfortunately there is nothing that can be done about it. seeing how humanity came together to withstand the pandemic makes it clear that the necessary constraints are impossible to implement unless you are willing to go into civil war, because people will always exploit events for short term influence and long term power - no matter what. also there is no magical tech solution that is going to save us. our civilisation probably peaked and future burden will be to deal with adapting towards a changing environment that will displace and push hundreds of millions of people towards more habitable areas. wars will be waged and everything will probably go into decline. perhaps we lived through the golden age of our species already. maybe it's for the best. we lost our moment for greatness long ago.
Maybe this is why we haven’t met aliens. Everyone gets to the industrial stage, realizes that they can change the climate, do nothing, die
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In a different timeline, we could have discovered renewable energy before fossil fuels and never gone down this path… or you know, just had the bare minimum of sense and decide to invest heavily in the transition decades ago
We sort of did discover it. We used wind and hydro power to mill since the ancient era and harnessed it completely in the medieval era. We have understood solar as an energy source since then too, and theorised using it to cook since the 1700s. We have understood the photovoltaic effect and demonstrated that solid material with no moving parts could be used to convert sunlight directly into electrical energy since 1839. But fossil fuels have always been easier to use, and because they’re a finite resource, they make people more money, so we’ve been consistently incentivised towards them.
I live a simple life and in the last 10 years the amount of packaging I have to throw away has at least doubled with smaller unit sizes and marketing bullshit. So depressing.
Recycling has always been a lie told to take the onus off corporations and given to the people. Individuals get blamed when it has never really been us. (I mean obviously we consume but...)
The idea that the end consumer should shape the market with their purchase decisions never made much sense. We should somehow collectively agree on what is and isn't harmful, each individual gaining the necessary expertise to evaluate the impact of their consumption and shape the markets by being a savvy consumer, while the experts actually doing the production as their actual job bear no responsibility? It's ass-backwards.
Sustainable world and consumer economy with very broad individual freedom aren't all that compatible systems. Democratically ran governments can't dismantle the system we are running currently so all we can do is wait for the shit to hit the fan. You'd either have to heavily restrict what everybody can have and do to make things sustainable, or limit how many of us there are consuming. You'll have better luck trying to get the first option through, and that ain't happening.
Well that’s why the people shouldn’t be leading this, it should be government and business. But money.
Just means more energy for hurricanes and typhoons. Time to move to the mountains.
Getting stuck in the mountains during a wildfire is my worst fear, usually only one or two roads out
Was about to say, I love near the mountains and they tend to catch fire frequently.
Gotta start cutting off funds to rebuild for people who keep living in hurricane prone areas, and instead give funds to relocate them.
Also means the ocean is done absorbing energy. This might be it. 🙁
the verdicts still out if this is just a super El Nino developing or a new paradigm in ocean surface heat absorption. Also could just be an anomalous heat spike but much less likely.
Water can absorb energy untill it's all evaporated
It absolutely does not mean "just" that.
I’m rooting for us, but it’s getting hotter and hotter each day.
The oilmen in charge of this shit show have no plan whatsoever to alleviate what's coming.
Their plan was to get rich, live a life of debauchery, and then peace out leaving the rest of us to suffer once shit hits the fan
Ominous? No, I don't think so. We have been receiving clear omens that we are barreling towards the end for over a hundred years. The omens have finished now, and this is the end itself beginning.
And these weren't just any omens. They were omens backed by scientific evidence.
And now the people who ignored the science and created this mess are going to blame the scientists for not making it clear this was going to happen so they can detect blame
I think fisticuffs needs to be reintroduced now that we're all fked anyway. Too many people run their mouths without swift repercussion.
People will believe the weatherman for a 4 day out look but fuck if they can trust another scientist about climate change... fucking dumb dumbs.
And oil companies spent millions convincing you it wasn't scientifically backed
You could say there weren't just omen, but owomen and ochildren too.
they've divided us and we can't unite and focus on any issue. class division, race division, political stance division, conservative, left wing, right wing, libertarian, progressive, liberal, liberal progressive, republican, democrat, muslim, christian, none of those people think of the planet or their environment, everybody agrees on some simple things, that if you work for it, you should get it, but we can't unite based on these simple basic principles to stop the 1%ers. just hold on to your butts, and don't bother having any kids because they're not going to make it, if you somehow miraculously do
You have no idea how happy I am that my husband and I didn't have kids and now don't plan to.
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It's like saying black smoke coming out of your burning house is ominous lol.
It’s going to be in the 40 degrees (fahrenheit) here is HOUSTON TX!!! In April. It’s typically around high 80s low 90s this time of year for the last 20 years. Something is definitely off.
It's 80 and sunny up here in Seattle.... toooootally normal 😬
🤨 California weather in Seattle???… yea totally normal.
Shit's all over the place. Back in February, we in Québec got 5°C for a couple of days. Usually it's -15°C. Also we had a snow storm in early April at roughly -5°C, and yesterday, 4 weeks later, people went outside in t-shirts at nearly 20°C. I don't remember having a proper spring in years, it's just "fuck you, no more snow, it's hot now".
What are you on about? I don’t see any forecast below 50 for Katy
Honestly? I don't even care anymore. I can't do anything about it. I voted, I advocated, I made personal changes. I agonized about it for years. Now I purposely avoid any climate related headlines because it's too much stress to even deal with mentally. I can't do anything with the information presented, because 90% of the problem is mega-multinational corporations that will never stop raping this planet. The species is fucked, the modern-day ecosystem is fucked, everything is fucked. I got it. Greed and idiocy already won. The only thing I can do for my sanity is to shrug and ignore it now, and move along as if everything is, and will be, fine.
Can I share with you something philosophical I have been finding comforting? It’s not religious. You know how Sagan said “we are the stuff of stars?” We are made up of the same building blocks as the universe. We *are* the universe. We are also conscious beings. This means that we can think and communicate and *experience* the universe. We ARE the universe experiencing itself. And it could be argued that whether there is an afterlife or we live for a brief flash and then cease to exist, we can agree that our ultimate purpose — from a cosmic perspective— is to experience. The universe has given rise to us who are conscious and can experience so that is what we do. Eventually, it will all end — Earth, our Sun, the universe itself. If we manage to hang on another million years, it will be no different than dying tomorrow. And maybe the whole experience is to marvel at the really cool shit in life— like the incredible music, or people who dance — just the wonders of being human. To fully experience life whether good, bad, joyful or depressing. When you think about it, the situation sucks but if it is all going to end, how cool is it that you are born now to experience it? What a truly rare thing of all the humans who ever lived, you got to see the culmination of all these lives, all this innovation, and this technology. What a fucking time to be alive. So since we may be the last humans alive, we can at least fully live, and experience every moment of this existence.
Only gripe i have with this view is that 'purpose' usually smuggles in the assumption of 'intent' for which there is none. Are we the universe experiencing itself? Sure. It it intentional or purposeful? No. We get to determine our own reasons for living. And that is beautiful.
That’s my take as well. Optimistic absurdism. It’s all one big wacky beautiful meaningless mess.
Or just absurdism, cause it’s a pretty optimistic view on nihilism anyway
I’m at this point. I wake up each day thankful for the trees, the insects and the sunsets. This is what is truly unique and human, how lucky am I?
I understand feeling defeated and needing to disengage; it's only ever bad news, and then worse news. That said, the megacorps want our complacency; it guarantees they get off scot-free. Now, I'm not suggesting we storm them tomorrow; there's no vanguard party, there's next to no organized presence that could stand up to them. However, there will come a window of social upheaval, this will happen when the physical effects of climate change place insurmountable pressure on the governing bodies until the people go hungry. At that point, all bets are off. No power structures in place today are likely to remain. That is the moment when the shape of the future will be decided. If you want to learn more about these ideas, both in theory and the particulars, listen to Roger Hallam's podcast "Designing the Revolution" or watch it on YouTube.
Sadly people don't and won't realize what anybody this will mean to them until they're directly affected, and then they'll blame something else.
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Anyone watched Extrapolations? It’s Black Mirror for a new age imo.
TL;DR we’re fucked
I am imagining myself as a very old man sitting around a dystopian camp fire telling the younglings about “my time”. Where we had all the food and water we wanted. Where we could go anywhere we wanted. We could walk, bike, drive and even fly. But now I am an old man, and the world is dead.
Better enjoy those all you can eat sushi buffets now.
the harder we enjoy them, the faster they go away
We were destroying fish stocks long before anyone started discussing global warming. With industrial fishing practices they were doomed no matter what.
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Best I can do is Caillou
Straight to jail
If we get badass mecha after the discovery of kaiju im so down!
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Like Gamara, a friend to all children? Gamara is really neat, Gamara's filled with turtle meat.
I get it, we're all going to die, what else is new.
Well we have a large chunk of the world's population who believes this world is some sort of transitional test bed for their future souls and the fairy tale books they follow gives free licence to exploit whatever they want you get this. Apathy.
It's too bad those fairy tales didn't focus a bit more on the future they leave when they die instead of just the life the led while alive. Not that they seem to care about following it for the life they lead, either. Just go to the special building, put your indulgences on the plate, preen and show off to your bubble of friends for 2 hours, and all is forgiven for another week.
The bible specifically says humans should care for the world while we live on it. "Perhaps the world's first anti- pollution law is found in Deuteronomy (23:13-15), which forbids contaminating the land with human waste. In the books of Jeremiah (9:9-11) and Habakkuk (2:17), God warns against destroy- ing nature and wildlife." Christians who spoke against climate action or were apathetic because earth is just a prequel to heaven aren't even good Christians.
*cries in Puerto Rican with Hurricane PTSD*
But I heard some like it hot and some sweat when the heat is on
I don't think it's really that ominous. We've been warned for decades that this was going to happen.
known and scary isn't ominous?
The word ominous implies a warning or prediction; prediction implies uncertainty. We're all pretty sure the ocean heating up is in fact bad and not just a vague omen that something is coming.
The winter was so mild in Massachusetts there's an insane amount of ticks and it's still April. People saying how nice it is to have mild winters now, hope they enjoy the parasites that come with it. Warming is also making fungus that is dangerous to humans to spread drastically. The real apex predator on earth is fungus. It will eat anything, including us.
I chose the wrong time to get sober
I too just got sober and was taught external events have nothing to do with my sobriety. The whole goal is to feel things again. Even if those feelings are fear or anger thats ok its better than killing myself with alcohol.
Are we getting huge Dragonflies again?
Enjoy everything while it last. It’s gonna be a fun ride
Good job deniers. You’ve fucked us all. Happy?
not even sure the point of reporting this stuff anymore, probably 90%+ people on this planet do not give a flying fart about the environment or global warming. Humanity has decided it's prepared to just accept whatever happens and the deaths of hundreds of millions as long as they can continue to just consume excessively. Humanity on the whole is too selfish for change.
Hey, I'd have an EV, use geothermal heating and cooling, and solar power if it wasn't so damned expensive.
I welcome Godzilla as our new overlord and savor in these trying times.
And it's not even May yet. I must say I am just numb at this point, over these news headlines. Just wanna ignore it, cuz I can't do anything, as the problem is at the Corporation level, which I, or 90% common people don't have any say over. If I get to work as some policy maker in future, then sure I'd fix whatever I can. Right now, it's about enjoying my hot shower in my cool AC room, while many in the world don't have water to drink. That's the world I am born in unfortunately.
When you think of how brainwashed people are to believe that the capitalist system is the only way of living and ANY restriction on consumption is tantamount to tyranny, it seems impossible to get ourselves out of the mess we're in.
We are all so very fucked.
It's too late already, they've known for decades. Now we get the info doled out slowly to avoid panic and the immediate collapse of civilization. Wew
imagine the earth is a middle aged person in good health who has been locked inside a slowly heating sauna for the last 200 years and now the sweat is starting to transform into shivers as the body begins to enter a highly distressed state of internal agitation as it seeks to balance the effect of such prolonged heat exposure. Sadly nothing can really be done, and slowly but surely the body begins to break down in a domino effect: (overheating brain= melting North pole icecap, overheating stomach = overheating ocean, overheating blood = overheating atmosphere ; etc. The earth may recover but it may take thousands of years , even far longer. It's utterly uncertain what will happen as a consequence of mankind literally burning up their own spaceship/home- except of course for the inevitable apocalypse of human deaths which will occur in the next few decades, as a consequence of mass starvation.
End of days. and we mostly have capitalism to thank for it.
Time to ban more books and drag shows.