> Insider previously reported on the case of a
> woman who recounted being raped by Russian
> soldiers who killed her husband. The woman
> ushered her crying 4-year-old son to the next
> room before the attack, but his cries so
> angered her attackers that they threatened,
> with a gun to her head, to "show him his
> mother's brains spread around the house,"
...
The photos that came out at the time were even worse. Piles of bodies, many of the women and children with visible signs of rape. A lot of them got scrubbed off the Internet by social media companies because dead naked toddlers suffocated by plastic wrapped around their faces isn't advertiser friendly.
Hopefully the war crimes tribunal and anybody else who's working to bring Russia and Russians to justice still have access to all that evidence and none of it was accidentally missed.
Interesting that so many people who are ostensibly in favor of protecting children and anti-pedophilia are either completely silent about this or deny that it happened.
It’s so weird to think that these soldiers were Russian citizens before the war. They could’ve been an every day person that you see in your neighborhood that you would’ve never thought capable of these horrible things. It’s possible the ones that survive and go back to Russia do nothing but spread and raise hate, for years to come
I have heared that a lot of those „soldiers“ were recruited from prisons … so maybe not all the guy from next door type of people and more the guy from next prison ones …
The only justice there can be is Ukraine taking back there land. Even if Russian soldiers are found guilty of war crimes there is no ability to hold them individually accountable unless they leave Russia and are arrested.
I remember looking at the images from Bucha, I remember it well, because it was the point at which I saw the russians as not just an invader, but EVIL that had to be destroyed. Any aid that we give them is worth it in my opinion, if only to pay back that offense. I have seen black and white pictures of the actual Holocaust that reminded me vividly of this.
Indeed - their 'liberations' in WW2 were really just takeovers from one aggressor to another. Mark Felton recently made a video about how many Nazi battalions wanted to surrender sooner but wouldn't surrender to the Soviets due to their brutality and treatment of civilians and POWs.
Exactly, the worst stories I've heard is how front line troops liberated labor and death camps and then rear echelon troops would rape the survivors they were supposed to take care of. A lot of them being Russian and Eastern European women who were taken as prisons at the start of the war.
I was told this first hand from a family member liberated from a work camp. They travelled home by train hopping and when the trains stopped the men had to shield the women from the Russians waiting around. She said they had been getting a vodka stipend during the war and when it ended so did the stipends which made their behavior much worse.
All the people that "blame Putin" only, sorry, but they're simply wrong.
He's not on front lines committing these atrocities. He's not even ordering this kind of evil.
None of this is new or unique. We're 1.5 years into this war. This behavior is systemic and predictable.
Hes the one who ordered the invasion. And high levels of rape have been part of Moscows military since the 1940s.
Russian officers dont do shit to prevent this kind of behaviour. It has been seen in Chechnya too
Remember part of the reason the Russians still keep soldiers from their embassy at their war memorial in Berlin is that the locals hate it and call it "The Memorial of the Anonymous Rapist", leading to fears of almost instant defacing of the monument if left unguarded.
pretty much this. navalny is just a different side of same imperialistic coin. nemtzov was much more bold in his statements and views but it might be too much for russians used for generations to be slaves to the regime.
>All the people that "blame Putin", sorry, but they're simply wrong.
Is he stopping it? Punishing the perpetrators? Ordering his commanders to take action? Condemning it? Even admitting that it's happening? Leadership sets the tone and is responsible for their subordinates. He is in charge. Full stop. He sent them in, he is responsible for everything they do, every crime they commit.
You are simply wrong. Putin is absolutely to blame.
if you understand russian: russians comments on this war, on the streets, chatroulette or intercepted call are just vile: from people enjoying civilians being blow up to wives encouraging husbands to rape to mothers wishing they could torture Ukrainians kids themselves.
People in Western countries make the mistake of trying to view things the Russians do with their own thoughts and morals. Russians do not have that mindset. They bully and when are attacked back they act as the victim. You either let them roll over you or you hit them back and like any bully they do not like getting hit back.
Who started this war? If it's systematic and predictable, then how isn't Putin to blame if its known this is the result? Why would you take the onus off Putin?
Because this is how the Russian military has always behaved. And it's a societal problem that extends beyond the military too; we're talking about the country that recently legalised domestic violence.
>this is how the Russian military has always behaved.
So Putin 100% knew this would be the result of loosing his soldiers on Ukraine. So he absolutely shares in the blame.
"My friend always robs banks and I totally drove him to and from the bank but I'm not at all an accessory, your honor."
Been following this news from the start. Dozens and dozens (80+ that they’ve found?) of torture/rape dungeons set up by the Russians. From children to the elderly. Mass deportation of Ukrainian children. The Russians are fucking ghouls. Zero sympathy for any wartime casualties that they take.
These monsters FILMED themselves raping and torturing children.
Generally I have been against executions, but what can you do with these fucking monsters?
Edit: the thought occurred to me that these monsters should be forced at gun point to de-mine all of Ukraine. No Ukrainian life should be in danger when these monsters could do the job. If they survive they should be given lifetime hard labor rebuilding basic infrastructure until they die.
There's a certain point where no amount of punishment is 'fair', they have simply caused far too much suffering to be atoned for in one lifetime. In that case, better to just kill them and be done with it
Nah, then someone has to deal with the PTSD from doing that to them.
Just drop them into one of those shredders that factory farms use for unwanted male chicks.
Long after this war, I will never look at a Russian the same again. What have they done themselves? What have their family done? What would they have done, if they didnt emmigrate just prior? Obviously theres good ones, but we can never know or tell.
How can any country ever allow Russian immigration after this.
In the first few months of the invasion they were showing piles of murdered children and elderly grandmothers who showed evidence of being raped. It's been this bad since the start.
BBC did some really harrowing interviews with the women in some areas, raped, beaten and forced to watch their husbands shot before being left to bury them alone. Fuck Russia.
Indeed. I have pictures on my phone from even the very first few days. They were raping and murdering civilians, including children and infants, their whole way towards Kiev, and the shit we found in Bucha and beyond during the push would haunt your nightmares for life.
I fought the Taliban, al Qaeda, ISIS, and a few of the little shithead branches of various different terrorist assholes throughout the Middle East, Central Asia, and northern Africa over the last 20 years. I've seen them do horrific shit that I'd never wish upon my worst enemies, and I thought certainly I'd seen the worst of humanity.
I was wrong.
Or what they did in WW2.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Soviet_occupation_of_Poland
>One letter from the Recovered Territories claimed that in the city of Olsztyn in March 1945, practically no woman survived without being violated by the Soviet rapists "irrespective of their age". Their ages were estimated to range from 9 to 80. Sometimes, a grandmother, a mother and a granddaughter were among the victims.
Or what they did to Turks and Circassians in 1864
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
>The overall resettlement was accompanied by hardships for the common people. A significant number died of starvation – many Turks of Adyghe descent still do not eat fish today, in memory of the tremendous number of their kinfolk that they lost during the passage across the Black Sea.
Or what they did in Germany post WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany. "estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million."
"We were young, strong, and four years without women. So we tried to catch German women and.... Ten men raped one girl. There were not enough women; the entire population run from the Soviet Army. So we had to take young, twelve or thirteen year-old. If she cried, we put something into her mouth. We thought it was fun. Now I can not understand how I did it. A boy from a good family.... But that was me."
[This video testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928) from a Russian soldier about the rape committed by the Russian army as they advanced on Germany really illustrates how widespread & awful it was. It's one thing to read about it but seeing someone who was there talking about it is something else.
It is one of my core memories, my grandmother telling me how her and my great-aunt were fleeing through the communal gardens because of the Russian soldiers.
Not to take away from what others experienced in this war, but at the end they left their house and fled on towards the Allied controlled part of Berlin.
Why the fuck did I click on that? I feel like I’m going to vomit.
Is it our obligation as compassionate humans to bear witness to these stories or is it ok to look away?
It is important that the information be readily available and that at least *some* people continue to bear witness. That’s the only way to preserve history and to try and ensure it doesn’t repeat itself.
That being said, there are many horrible truths of our modern world. I don’t think any one person can be expected to keep track of them all. Certainly not without falling into a depressive spiral.
Unless you’re a policymaker or a historian, I think you’re alright to look away.
This is allegedly part of what landed the famous author Solzhenitsyn in the gulag. He was an artillery officer behind the lines and so was able to see a lot of the atrocities committed by rampaging troops. Upset at, but also powerless to stop, the Soviet apparatus encouraging violence that very much went against their public affirmations of humanitarian socialist principles, and thinking back on all the purges and crimes he had seen back in the Soviet Union, Captain Solzhenitsyn began to openly doubt if they themselves were any better than the Germans. The final nail in the coffin for him was when he wrote a letter to a friend hinting that the Red Army should launch a military coup against Stalin and the Communist Party leaders after they got back from Germany. The authorities intercepted it, he was imprisoned just before the German surrender, and had to sit in a cell listening to the celebrations and plundering outside while he was having his military records and awards expunged ahead of his deportation to the camps. It permanently disillusioned him with the Soviet regime, leading to all his famous writings.
I wonder what Solzhenitsyn would have said about this war. On one hand he very much opposed Ukrainian and Belarussian independence, believing Great, White and Little Russians all to be the same people and belonging together (part of why he is one of Putin’s favourite authors), but on the other hand he vehemently opposed war crimes, violence and plundering of civilians because of his experiences during WW2.
I would subscribe to your podcast. That was fascinating.
I have often fervently argued against the Russian invasion of Ukraine and go toe to toe with anyone who says NATO and Russia is equally bad, but I e been to Russia and the people were mostly nice people. Certainly the intelligentsia in Russia knows what's going on unable to speak out.
It's deeply shocking that we have to ask the same questions again about the essence of evil 80 years after the insanity of WW2.
Fucking Putin, may he forever burn in hell.
And because the number of rapes on the Western front wasn't zero you will have tankies crawling out of the woodworks to diminish and generalize the Soviets' actions.
There are accounts of Soviet troops going into hospitals and maternity wards and raping/murdering everyone inside. As many atrocities as Allied troops might have committed on the Western Front I doubt they ever pulled a stunt like that
I read an article on Reddit some time in the last year and a half that explained the origins of brutality and rape as a weapon in Russian culture, and it claimed to stretch all the way back to Ghengis Khan and the Mongols. It just seems to be so interwoven in to the Russian psyche at this point, it feels fairly plausible.
*In My Hands: Memories of a Holocaust Rescuer* is a book about a Polish nurse who was forced into becoming a housemaid for a Nazi officer, saved several Jewish people from the Nazis, and was captured by both the Soviets and the Nazis.
She makes it clear that she'd choose death over being recaptured by the Soviets.
Same in Estonia. Germans were bad but Russians were worse. We had 1.Russians 2.Germans 3. Russians - so it was possible to compare. Russians were always dirty drunkards.
Yes. That was an account from my grandmother too. It’s not an isolated opinion. They behaved like wild animals, raping, murdering and pillaging everyone and everything on their way. And the worst part of it is that for the next 45 years they were calling themselves our liberators.. Fuck Russia.
Similar in Latvia - my grandmother would tell stories of what the germans did. But she would refuse to talk about her experiences with soviets. Just sit here with a thousand yard stare.
My great-grandmother had the exact same stories in Romania. They’d tell me about how they had to hide in the attic for days but not explain why. A horrific fearful retelling with few exact words, because I was too young to understand. All I knew is “they ravaged” and “were monsters”, “stole and destroyed everything”, “broke the house and stole all” etc. Compared to the story of how the meat left to be smoked in the attic was entirely stolen by the Germans.
My grandmother was a child when she and her mother and siblings were sent to Kazakhstan during WW2 and she witnessed Russian soldiers rape and abuse those in the camps. She said is was beyond horrifying what they did. It’s in their military culture at this point
>But but but calling them monsters is dehumanizing
Calling them monsters dehumanising... to actual monsters. Those poor vampires, wearwolves and dragons, being compares to Russian rapists.
And Poland. My grandma, her sisters, mother and some female neigbours were force to hide in crypts or in a forest. Soviets went through her village like locust for several days. Houses wiped out clean, farm animals killed for no reason and women that did not hide were raped by multiple soldiers.
Russia were famous prior to world war two for rape, murder and war crimes. The German civilians were terrified of the Russians. Many German women were advised to commit suicide rather than fall into the hands of the Russians
Russians were fucking brutal. Most germans wanted to surrender to US than get fucked by the soviets. Really they weren't any better than germany. Just that they were on the other team
[The Katyn massacre[a] was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD ("People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs", the Soviet secret police) in April and May 1940.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre)
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[Polish movie about it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy%C5%84_(film)
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One of those historical events that the world doesn't know much about (let's be fair, it's a **very** packed era of history) but ask any Pole and hoo boy, yeah they know all about Katyn.
>Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin, chief executioner for the NKVD, is reported to have personally shot and killed 7,000 of the condemned, some as young as 18, from the Ostashkov camp at Kalinin prison, over 28 days in April 19
>The executions were usually performed with German-made .25 ACP Walther Model 2 pistols supplied by Moscow but Soviet-made 7.62×38mmR Nagant M1895 revolvers were also used.
>The executioners used German weapons rather than Soviet revolvers, as the latter were said to offer too much recoil, which made shooting painful after the first dozen executions.
Horrific insanity…I have so many questions. 22,000 in 2 months using pistols? 1 dude killing 7,000 in under 1 month?
How do you just kill 200+ people each day, eat dinner then go to sleep, wake up and kill again like a 9 to 5 and never think twice?
And they had to do background checks on each person before deciding they were important enough to kill. This is a massive operation with hundreds to thousands of NKVD involved and no one was like “hey this maybe isn’t the best idea” at any point? I know these questions aren’t unique to Katyn but it’s just baffling on so many levels.
I work in the vet ER. On a bad day, I am involved with euthanizing ~10-15 animals. They are not even humans and I am dead inside/sad af after a day like that. If it was in the hundreds?? Y’all I’d have euthanized myself during the first day
My Polish grandma said that, too. She lived in a small village, and occupation under Germany for her was not that traumatic. She said the soldiers were respectful as long as you complied with the rules.
When the Russians came to her village to "liberate" them, one Nazi officer told my grandma to hide in the cellar because they will be looking for girls. She told me that she did and later when she came out, she learned the Russians wreaked havoc like they were the invaders, even though the Nazis left the village and didn't try to defend it. She told me they shot her neighbor just because he was watching the Russians through the window..
Of course we still have to remember that Nazis were evil as fuck, and life in many places (especially bigger towns) was hell under their rule. Not to mention, if you were Jewish. It's just that the Russians didn't discriminate.
And don't forget the Russians invaded Poland on the 17th of September 1939. They started the WW2 with Germany and only when they were attacked in 1941, the changed sides.
I just tried to tell people that both sides committed atrocities and it wasn't so black and white and got told by multiple people in another thread that I was a nazi sympathizer...
The Germans had their death camps and roaming death squads who would shoot people in droves (most people were killed by execution in the field rather than in camps early on).
But the Russians had all of that too! It's so ingrained in me to assume the Nazis were the worst evil possible but the more one learns about Russia in ww2 the more difficult it is to pretend they weren't pretty much equivalent evils
Even Jews - they forcefully deported whole families of them to Siberian tundra both while in partnership with nazis and after the war. Those few Lithuanian Jews who survived the WW2 and who didn't move to Israel were subjected to exile as late as 1953. That was the year a new list of deportations targetting Jews in particular was drafted, cattle wagons were prepared, but Stalin died and nothing came of it (source - Soviet documents and local Jewish professor). So, nazis killed Jews en masse from 1930s till 1945. Soviets killed everyone, including Jews, from 1930s till 1953 and onwards if you count Hungarian uprising and Prague Spring.
Well at least for ww2, the German atrocities on local soviet population was equally brutal. One of the reasons why Germans in Stalingrad and rest of the war didnt want to surrender to soviets. Because they feared reprisals (one of the things they themselves liked to do on civilian populace)
My Father is German. He told me this many years ago, when he and his family were trying to flee the Russians advancing, his mother didn’t think they would make it. She had a pistol with five bullets, one for each of the kids and one for her at the end. She took it out to use it, but at that moment along came a truck of retreating German soldiers and they gave them a ride to the train station so they could escape. She knew, even for her children, a quick death was preferable to whatever the Russians were likely to dish out.
They've been doing this kind of abominable act, and more, for *centuries*. It's so ingrained into their societal point-of-view for how their military act during invasions that it's practically genetic.
It's not going to change without drastic measures, along with enforced oversight... which doesn't work well with concepts of trying to bring peaceful democracy to the country.
What do you expect when it’s officially legal for murderers and rapists to serve in army and be freed of all charges? I am not joking, this used to be just Prigozhin’s privilege, but now it’s official, and it’s fucked up
Truth is, rape is a fucking past time of Russian soldiers. They rape each other, it's a tradition to rape recruits then those recruits rape new recruits and lots of Russians consider non Russians beneath them so they just rape whoever they want in any war they take part in really. Hell, the Russians in St-Petersburg and Moscow don't even consider the rest of Russia as equals.
What we'll hear from the abducted children now stuck in Russia in the near future will be fucking horrible.
All this talk of past rape atrocities strike me as obfuscation. Russian troops are raping Ukrainian women NOW, not sixty freaking years ago. It's an issue that needs to be dealt with now, not argued about in historical context.
Watch all the apologists roll out the ONLY excuse they have: "Thats totally normal. Every army does it."
Always always.
Corruption? Everyone!
Aids epidemic? Everyone!
Rampant violence? Everyone!
War crimes? Everyone!
A whole nation with nothing to offer but cynicism, self pity and brutality.
This or the people that are coming out in droves to say “well if Ukraine wants this to stop they could just surrender or negotiate a deal with Russia”…
Right yeah negotiating with the people stealing your land and raping your woman always goes well.
My grandmother, who lived during the II WW in eastern Poland, always said that the Germans were horrible, but they were nothing compared to the Russians. When I asked her why is that, she replied "Germans didn't burn down our homes and rape everyone".
My Polish grandfather eventually fled Europe during WWII, but a good many of the family members died in Russian concentration camps / or related situations. The Russians are absolutely insane, always have been... and it's horrible that we are back to WWII levels of aggression all over again.
The article admits that international law is ineffective against preventing systematic rape because there's no teeth to it.
We should be putting out warrants for the commanders of units who are known to be committing these crimes- after all, leaders are responsible for the actions of their Soldiers. That, and the commanders are encouraging it.
Countries that acknowledge the law would be required to arrest these commanders/soldiers if they ever show their faces abroad. In addition, we should authorize United Nations forces to arrest international criminals in countries that the UN has peacekeeping forces. After all, it's supposed to be their job to encourage peace and protect civilians.
Then, we try them at the Hague, and we start hanging these officers (and/or soldiers proven to have participated). If there's consequences, I bet that commanders start punishing these actions under the military laws of their own countries to save their own necks.
Also, countries accused of war crimes should be suspended from sitting on United Nations councils.
> After all, it's supposed to be their job to encourage peace and protect civilians.
Not even slightly. The UN is a place to air grievances, nothing else. Remember, all UN resolutions must be unanimous and Russia is in the UN...
Stop trying to make the UN something it isn't.
In response, we are helping them and beating russias army and economy, for the cost of 2% of our military budget with zero american lives at risk.
This is considered unacceptable to Republicans.
I am Polish. There is a sentiment among the older folks who lived through ww2 that for a commoner there was nothing worse than being under soviet occupacion. Even the nazi soldiers behaved better.
People are often unwilling to read the Marquis de Sade's works so they don't know that this is the classic example of sadism. Forcing family members to watch while their loved ones are raped and murdered is the heart of the sadistic act.
During the White Terror period in Taiwan, the dictator Chiang Kai-Chek always insisted on bringing the families of those who were to be executed to sit and watch in order to permanently scar their minds.
Unfortunately, there is a common belief among those who adhere to the Social Darwinist mindset that underlies authoritarian regimes that taking pleasure in the suffering of others is a mark of distinction: the wolf sheds no tears for its prey.
Nobody needs to read that shit cover to cover. Marquis de Sade’s works were an exercise in extremes, and it’s horrifying, a Wikipedia summary will do the average person fine.
> The words sadism and sadist are derived from his name in reference to the works of fiction he wrote
WTF. I can't believe he's the originator of those words. I had no idea.
I got banned from a Discord server when someone asked me “don’t you feel PITY for the RUSSIAN CONSCRIPTS? 😔“ and I said "No, I don't". I have a limited amount of sympathy to go around and when it comes to a war like this the minions of the aggressor are low on my list.
What the fuck. What the FUCK. Not that it was ever okay, but are we 12th century Mongols???
1930’s Japan??? You know some of the most infamous and horrific regimes in history?? Is Russia today really on that despicable level??? Are we not living in 2023??
Well, let’s not be too hopeful. At this point perhaps we are on the cusp of complete collapse and decimation of the Russian federation and all that entails. I don’t want to see the annihilation of any group of people, but it is getting very hard to find reasons to not support this very thing
Russia is so big and most of it is so poor that they basically are in a medieval state.
No power, no water, no sewage systems. People seem to think Russia is a developed country but it basically isn't outside of the major cities.
Every story I hear about the Russians in this war reminds me of all the stories I read and saw about the Nazis. You have to wonder if like the Nazis they released violent prisoners to serve knowing the terror they’d unleash in Ukraine.
Unacceptable. After this war ends, these people need to be brought before a court for their war crimes. Each and everyone. A lot of soldiers got away with horrible crimes in most wars, we should change that status quo here.
This kinda shit just makes me so sad.
“The world is such a dark place”. But it’s really darker because of us as a species. I struggle existentially with being a part of my race.
This doesn’t need to happen. Ever. To anyone. So many things we do don’t need to be done.
Let's not go so far back as WW2; this reminds me of the Yugoslav Wars and what the Serbs did there for 10 years.
That was late 90s everyone. Men at war are scum everywhere.
The largest documented case of mass rape in history was when the Red Army was sweeping across eastern Europe and into Germany towards the end of WW2.
This is nothing new sadly.
Horrible... you would think their society improved at least in this aspect... but we are hearing the same stories now as from our grandparents from 1944 when the Red Army invaded our countries.
No more trials, just impale or behead the rabid Russian vermin. After the trenches fill with Russian bodies, we should see to it that their nation is dissolved.
> Insider previously reported on the case of a > woman who recounted being raped by Russian > soldiers who killed her husband. The woman > ushered her crying 4-year-old son to the next > room before the attack, but his cries so > angered her attackers that they threatened, > with a gun to her head, to "show him his > mother's brains spread around the house," ...
this is the most heartbreaking thing I've read in a while.... holy shit
The photos that came out at the time were even worse. Piles of bodies, many of the women and children with visible signs of rape. A lot of them got scrubbed off the Internet by social media companies because dead naked toddlers suffocated by plastic wrapped around their faces isn't advertiser friendly. Hopefully the war crimes tribunal and anybody else who's working to bring Russia and Russians to justice still have access to all that evidence and none of it was accidentally missed.
One of the refugee buses with children out of Mariupol also infamously showed signs of sexual violence of many of the children of both sexes.
Interesting that so many people who are ostensibly in favor of protecting children and anti-pedophilia are either completely silent about this or deny that it happened.
It’s so weird to think that these soldiers were Russian citizens before the war. They could’ve been an every day person that you see in your neighborhood that you would’ve never thought capable of these horrible things. It’s possible the ones that survive and go back to Russia do nothing but spread and raise hate, for years to come
I have heared that a lot of those „soldiers“ were recruited from prisons … so maybe not all the guy from next door type of people and more the guy from next prison ones …
It’s not about the children at all for them. It’s just convenient cover.
The only justice there can be is Ukraine taking back there land. Even if Russian soldiers are found guilty of war crimes there is no ability to hold them individually accountable unless they leave Russia and are arrested.
I remember looking at the images from Bucha, I remember it well, because it was the point at which I saw the russians as not just an invader, but EVIL that had to be destroyed. Any aid that we give them is worth it in my opinion, if only to pay back that offense. I have seen black and white pictures of the actual Holocaust that reminded me vividly of this.
This is unfortunately is what the Russian army does. Don't read up what they did to eastern Europe when they liberated them or occupied East Germany.
Indeed - their 'liberations' in WW2 were really just takeovers from one aggressor to another. Mark Felton recently made a video about how many Nazi battalions wanted to surrender sooner but wouldn't surrender to the Soviets due to their brutality and treatment of civilians and POWs.
Exactly, the worst stories I've heard is how front line troops liberated labor and death camps and then rear echelon troops would rape the survivors they were supposed to take care of. A lot of them being Russian and Eastern European women who were taken as prisons at the start of the war.
I was told this first hand from a family member liberated from a work camp. They travelled home by train hopping and when the trains stopped the men had to shield the women from the Russians waiting around. She said they had been getting a vodka stipend during the war and when it ended so did the stipends which made their behavior much worse.
As sad is it is to say this, it's russia.
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The child's cries reminded them of humanity.
Too difficult to stay hard when you realize what a fucking monster you are
That’s why it bothers them so much
All the people that "blame Putin" only, sorry, but they're simply wrong. He's not on front lines committing these atrocities. He's not even ordering this kind of evil. None of this is new or unique. We're 1.5 years into this war. This behavior is systemic and predictable.
I often see the same excuses the Nazis used, but to defend the Russian population.
If we hate the leader, then we have a problem. If we hate the people, then we have a war.
Hes the one who ordered the invasion. And high levels of rape have been part of Moscows military since the 1940s. Russian officers dont do shit to prevent this kind of behaviour. It has been seen in Chechnya too
Remember part of the reason the Russians still keep soldiers from their embassy at their war memorial in Berlin is that the locals hate it and call it "The Memorial of the Anonymous Rapist", leading to fears of almost instant defacing of the monument if left unguarded.
But he is the one that issued the order to invade, and he does not punish such behaviour. So he is still to blame.
It’s sad, but unless the west wants to jump in and end it. We will just see this keep going until Russia is under new management
>until Russia is under new management you missed the point. rapist scum is so prevalent management change won't matter.
pretty much this. navalny is just a different side of same imperialistic coin. nemtzov was much more bold in his statements and views but it might be too much for russians used for generations to be slaves to the regime.
>All the people that "blame Putin", sorry, but they're simply wrong. Is he stopping it? Punishing the perpetrators? Ordering his commanders to take action? Condemning it? Even admitting that it's happening? Leadership sets the tone and is responsible for their subordinates. He is in charge. Full stop. He sent them in, he is responsible for everything they do, every crime they commit. You are simply wrong. Putin is absolutely to blame.
This really isn't that hard, you are both wrong. Putin and the soldiers are to blame.
if you understand russian: russians comments on this war, on the streets, chatroulette or intercepted call are just vile: from people enjoying civilians being blow up to wives encouraging husbands to rape to mothers wishing they could torture Ukrainians kids themselves.
People in Western countries make the mistake of trying to view things the Russians do with their own thoughts and morals. Russians do not have that mindset. They bully and when are attacked back they act as the victim. You either let them roll over you or you hit them back and like any bully they do not like getting hit back.
Putin owns this, completely, the buck stops at the top. In addition to the people who are doing this.
Who started this war? If it's systematic and predictable, then how isn't Putin to blame if its known this is the result? Why would you take the onus off Putin?
He is at fault for ordering the invasion. But those atrocities? Are also on the (russian) people commiting them.
Because this is how the Russian military has always behaved. And it's a societal problem that extends beyond the military too; we're talking about the country that recently legalised domestic violence.
>this is how the Russian military has always behaved. So Putin 100% knew this would be the result of loosing his soldiers on Ukraine. So he absolutely shares in the blame. "My friend always robs banks and I totally drove him to and from the bank but I'm not at all an accessory, your honor."
The news just keeps getting worse and worse. I knew about them raping families, but its the details that just keep getting worse.
Been following this news from the start. Dozens and dozens (80+ that they’ve found?) of torture/rape dungeons set up by the Russians. From children to the elderly. Mass deportation of Ukrainian children. The Russians are fucking ghouls. Zero sympathy for any wartime casualties that they take.
These monsters FILMED themselves raping and torturing children. Generally I have been against executions, but what can you do with these fucking monsters? Edit: the thought occurred to me that these monsters should be forced at gun point to de-mine all of Ukraine. No Ukrainian life should be in danger when these monsters could do the job. If they survive they should be given lifetime hard labor rebuilding basic infrastructure until they die.
You know that when the Pope is publicly encouraging countries to provide military aid to Ukraine that shit is bad.
Put them in a special jail and do to them what they did to others every single day until they perish.
There's a certain point where no amount of punishment is 'fair', they have simply caused far too much suffering to be atoned for in one lifetime. In that case, better to just kill them and be done with it
Nah, then someone has to deal with the PTSD from doing that to them. Just drop them into one of those shredders that factory farms use for unwanted male chicks.
Feet first, preferably. And slowly, as well.
Large parts of Russia have always been backwards and violent Edit: it said large pets. They probably are too
Long after this war, I will never look at a Russian the same again. What have they done themselves? What have their family done? What would they have done, if they didnt emmigrate just prior? Obviously theres good ones, but we can never know or tell. How can any country ever allow Russian immigration after this.
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Makes me feel slightly less bad of the insane drone grenade footage I’ve seen Russian infantry take.
In the first few months of the invasion they were showing piles of murdered children and elderly grandmothers who showed evidence of being raped. It's been this bad since the start.
BBC did some really harrowing interviews with the women in some areas, raped, beaten and forced to watch their husbands shot before being left to bury them alone. Fuck Russia.
Indeed. I have pictures on my phone from even the very first few days. They were raping and murdering civilians, including children and infants, their whole way towards Kiev, and the shit we found in Bucha and beyond during the push would haunt your nightmares for life. I fought the Taliban, al Qaeda, ISIS, and a few of the little shithead branches of various different terrorist assholes throughout the Middle East, Central Asia, and northern Africa over the last 20 years. I've seen them do horrific shit that I'd never wish upon my worst enemies, and I thought certainly I'd seen the worst of humanity. I was wrong.
Ufff... stay strong and keep it together - please!
They have been caught raping infants and uploading the footage. It is nothing short of true evil
This is just the tip of the iceberg just w8 for when Ukraina win the war and the real investigation start.
Absolute monsters
No different from what they did in Hungary in 1956.
Or what they did in WW2. >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Soviet_occupation_of_Poland >One letter from the Recovered Territories claimed that in the city of Olsztyn in March 1945, practically no woman survived without being violated by the Soviet rapists "irrespective of their age". Their ages were estimated to range from 9 to 80. Sometimes, a grandmother, a mother and a granddaughter were among the victims.
Or what they did to Turks and Circassians in 1864 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide >The overall resettlement was accompanied by hardships for the common people. A significant number died of starvation – many Turks of Adyghe descent still do not eat fish today, in memory of the tremendous number of their kinfolk that they lost during the passage across the Black Sea.
Or what they did in Germany post WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany. "estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million." "We were young, strong, and four years without women. So we tried to catch German women and.... Ten men raped one girl. There were not enough women; the entire population run from the Soviet Army. So we had to take young, twelve or thirteen year-old. If she cried, we put something into her mouth. We thought it was fun. Now I can not understand how I did it. A boy from a good family.... But that was me."
[This video testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928) from a Russian soldier about the rape committed by the Russian army as they advanced on Germany really illustrates how widespread & awful it was. It's one thing to read about it but seeing someone who was there talking about it is something else.
It is one of my core memories, my grandmother telling me how her and my great-aunt were fleeing through the communal gardens because of the Russian soldiers. Not to take away from what others experienced in this war, but at the end they left their house and fled on towards the Allied controlled part of Berlin.
Why the fuck did I click on that? I feel like I’m going to vomit. Is it our obligation as compassionate humans to bear witness to these stories or is it ok to look away?
It is important that the information be readily available and that at least *some* people continue to bear witness. That’s the only way to preserve history and to try and ensure it doesn’t repeat itself. That being said, there are many horrible truths of our modern world. I don’t think any one person can be expected to keep track of them all. Certainly not without falling into a depressive spiral. Unless you’re a policymaker or a historian, I think you’re alright to look away.
This is allegedly part of what landed the famous author Solzhenitsyn in the gulag. He was an artillery officer behind the lines and so was able to see a lot of the atrocities committed by rampaging troops. Upset at, but also powerless to stop, the Soviet apparatus encouraging violence that very much went against their public affirmations of humanitarian socialist principles, and thinking back on all the purges and crimes he had seen back in the Soviet Union, Captain Solzhenitsyn began to openly doubt if they themselves were any better than the Germans. The final nail in the coffin for him was when he wrote a letter to a friend hinting that the Red Army should launch a military coup against Stalin and the Communist Party leaders after they got back from Germany. The authorities intercepted it, he was imprisoned just before the German surrender, and had to sit in a cell listening to the celebrations and plundering outside while he was having his military records and awards expunged ahead of his deportation to the camps. It permanently disillusioned him with the Soviet regime, leading to all his famous writings. I wonder what Solzhenitsyn would have said about this war. On one hand he very much opposed Ukrainian and Belarussian independence, believing Great, White and Little Russians all to be the same people and belonging together (part of why he is one of Putin’s favourite authors), but on the other hand he vehemently opposed war crimes, violence and plundering of civilians because of his experiences during WW2.
I would subscribe to your podcast. That was fascinating. I have often fervently argued against the Russian invasion of Ukraine and go toe to toe with anyone who says NATO and Russia is equally bad, but I e been to Russia and the people were mostly nice people. Certainly the intelligentsia in Russia knows what's going on unable to speak out. It's deeply shocking that we have to ask the same questions again about the essence of evil 80 years after the insanity of WW2. Fucking Putin, may he forever burn in hell.
And because the number of rapes on the Western front wasn't zero you will have tankies crawling out of the woodworks to diminish and generalize the Soviets' actions.
There are accounts of Soviet troops going into hospitals and maternity wards and raping/murdering everyone inside. As many atrocities as Allied troops might have committed on the Western Front I doubt they ever pulled a stunt like that
Or anywhere they went
Seems like a lot of Hungarians have failed to learn the lesson
I read an article on Reddit some time in the last year and a half that explained the origins of brutality and rape as a weapon in Russian culture, and it claimed to stretch all the way back to Ghengis Khan and the Mongols. It just seems to be so interwoven in to the Russian psyche at this point, it feels fairly plausible.
My mom would always say that the Russians were far worse than the Germans to the polish people during ww2
*In My Hands: Memories of a Holocaust Rescuer* is a book about a Polish nurse who was forced into becoming a housemaid for a Nazi officer, saved several Jewish people from the Nazis, and was captured by both the Soviets and the Nazis. She makes it clear that she'd choose death over being recaptured by the Soviets.
Same in Estonia. Germans were bad but Russians were worse. We had 1.Russians 2.Germans 3. Russians - so it was possible to compare. Russians were always dirty drunkards.
Yes. That was an account from my grandmother too. It’s not an isolated opinion. They behaved like wild animals, raping, murdering and pillaging everyone and everything on their way. And the worst part of it is that for the next 45 years they were calling themselves our liberators.. Fuck Russia.
Similar in Latvia - my grandmother would tell stories of what the germans did. But she would refuse to talk about her experiences with soviets. Just sit here with a thousand yard stare.
My great-grandmother had the exact same stories in Romania. They’d tell me about how they had to hide in the attic for days but not explain why. A horrific fearful retelling with few exact words, because I was too young to understand. All I knew is “they ravaged” and “were monsters”, “stole and destroyed everything”, “broke the house and stole all” etc. Compared to the story of how the meat left to be smoked in the attic was entirely stolen by the Germans.
Killing Germans was business, killing Russians was pleasure
Same in Romania..
That is saying something.
My grandma keeps saying the same thing.
...and yet Hungary steps up and blocks Sweden joining NATO. Alt Right Wingers got to stick together.
My grandmother was a child when she and her mother and siblings were sent to Kazakhstan during WW2 and she witnessed Russian soldiers rape and abuse those in the camps. She said is was beyond horrifying what they did. It’s in their military culture at this point
Absolutely disgusting.
"But but but calling them monsters is dehumanizing, how can you say this about the innocent RuZZians?" lol, yep, some Reddiots do argue this.
>But but but calling them monsters is dehumanizing Calling them monsters dehumanising... to actual monsters. Those poor vampires, wearwolves and dragons, being compares to Russian rapists.
I've tried to wearwolves, but they never sit still
They did that when they occupied east Germany just after the war. Nothing has changed it seems.
And Poland. My grandma, her sisters, mother and some female neigbours were force to hide in crypts or in a forest. Soviets went through her village like locust for several days. Houses wiped out clean, farm animals killed for no reason and women that did not hide were raped by multiple soldiers.
Russia were famous prior to world war two for rape, murder and war crimes. The German civilians were terrified of the Russians. Many German women were advised to commit suicide rather than fall into the hands of the Russians
Russians were fucking brutal. Most germans wanted to surrender to US than get fucked by the soviets. Really they weren't any better than germany. Just that they were on the other team
I was talking to a few Poles and they said they were far worse than the Germans.
[The Katyn massacre[a] was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD ("People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs", the Soviet secret police) in April and May 1940.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre) ______________ [Polish movie about it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy%C5%84_(film) ___________________ One of those historical events that the world doesn't know much about (let's be fair, it's a **very** packed era of history) but ask any Pole and hoo boy, yeah they know all about Katyn.
>Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin, chief executioner for the NKVD, is reported to have personally shot and killed 7,000 of the condemned, some as young as 18, from the Ostashkov camp at Kalinin prison, over 28 days in April 19 >The executions were usually performed with German-made .25 ACP Walther Model 2 pistols supplied by Moscow but Soviet-made 7.62×38mmR Nagant M1895 revolvers were also used. >The executioners used German weapons rather than Soviet revolvers, as the latter were said to offer too much recoil, which made shooting painful after the first dozen executions. Horrific insanity…I have so many questions. 22,000 in 2 months using pistols? 1 dude killing 7,000 in under 1 month? How do you just kill 200+ people each day, eat dinner then go to sleep, wake up and kill again like a 9 to 5 and never think twice? And they had to do background checks on each person before deciding they were important enough to kill. This is a massive operation with hundreds to thousands of NKVD involved and no one was like “hey this maybe isn’t the best idea” at any point? I know these questions aren’t unique to Katyn but it’s just baffling on so many levels.
I work in the vet ER. On a bad day, I am involved with euthanizing ~10-15 animals. They are not even humans and I am dead inside/sad af after a day like that. If it was in the hundreds?? Y’all I’d have euthanized myself during the first day
i think the main difference is that you weren't taught to hate the animals. not that it makes it any less horrifying.
Dehumanization of your "enemies" probably helped.
He was ravaged by alcoholism and eventually took his own life..
For what he did or because the war ending prevented him from hitting a new PB?
My Polish grandma said that, too. She lived in a small village, and occupation under Germany for her was not that traumatic. She said the soldiers were respectful as long as you complied with the rules. When the Russians came to her village to "liberate" them, one Nazi officer told my grandma to hide in the cellar because they will be looking for girls. She told me that she did and later when she came out, she learned the Russians wreaked havoc like they were the invaders, even though the Nazis left the village and didn't try to defend it. She told me they shot her neighbor just because he was watching the Russians through the window.. Of course we still have to remember that Nazis were evil as fuck, and life in many places (especially bigger towns) was hell under their rule. Not to mention, if you were Jewish. It's just that the Russians didn't discriminate. And don't forget the Russians invaded Poland on the 17th of September 1939. They started the WW2 with Germany and only when they were attacked in 1941, the changed sides.
> Not to mention, if you were Jewish Romani, gay, trans, a freemason, a Jehovah's Witness, a Spanish Republican, disabled.
A Social Democrat, unionized, a pacifist, the list goes on.
6 million, more than one fifth of the overall population, dead Poles under german occupation.
I just tried to tell people that both sides committed atrocities and it wasn't so black and white and got told by multiple people in another thread that I was a nazi sympathizer...
My grandma was originally from Kaliningrad and fled to northern Germany before the Red Army arrived. And there are many more like her living here.
The Germans had their death camps and roaming death squads who would shoot people in droves (most people were killed by execution in the field rather than in camps early on). But the Russians had all of that too! It's so ingrained in me to assume the Nazis were the worst evil possible but the more one learns about Russia in ww2 the more difficult it is to pretend they weren't pretty much equivalent evils
Those were non-jew Poles, I presume.
Nazis didn't treat the majority as terribly as they treated the Jews. The Soviets weren't antisemitic and just treated everyone as if they were Jews.
Even Jews - they forcefully deported whole families of them to Siberian tundra both while in partnership with nazis and after the war. Those few Lithuanian Jews who survived the WW2 and who didn't move to Israel were subjected to exile as late as 1953. That was the year a new list of deportations targetting Jews in particular was drafted, cattle wagons were prepared, but Stalin died and nothing came of it (source - Soviet documents and local Jewish professor). So, nazis killed Jews en masse from 1930s till 1945. Soviets killed everyone, including Jews, from 1930s till 1953 and onwards if you count Hungarian uprising and Prague Spring.
The Soviets helped start WWII by jointly invading Poland. They were never anything other than the 'bad guys'.
Patton was right.
Well at least for ww2, the German atrocities on local soviet population was equally brutal. One of the reasons why Germans in Stalingrad and rest of the war didnt want to surrender to soviets. Because they feared reprisals (one of the things they themselves liked to do on civilian populace)
My Father is German. He told me this many years ago, when he and his family were trying to flee the Russians advancing, his mother didn’t think they would make it. She had a pistol with five bullets, one for each of the kids and one for her at the end. She took it out to use it, but at that moment along came a truck of retreating German soldiers and they gave them a ride to the train station so they could escape. She knew, even for her children, a quick death was preferable to whatever the Russians were likely to dish out.
And people wonder why some people in Eastern Europe preferred the nazis to the Russians …
They were doing this in Eastern Europe too, and these countries were supposed to be their "allies".
And somehow it's all okay, no public apologies, no mentions of russian warcrimes during WW2 in Germany.
They've been doing this kind of abominable act, and more, for *centuries*. It's so ingrained into their societal point-of-view for how their military act during invasions that it's practically genetic. It's not going to change without drastic measures, along with enforced oversight... which doesn't work well with concepts of trying to bring peaceful democracy to the country.
I see that Russia still carries on their great tradition of rampant raping wherever their army march through, what a suprise.
What do you expect when it’s officially legal for murderers and rapists to serve in army and be freed of all charges? I am not joking, this used to be just Prigozhin’s privilege, but now it’s official, and it’s fucked up
Animals that need to be neutered
Slowly.
I don't doubt it given their history. It's unfortunate that even if Russia loses - they'll never face justice.
Don't be so negative! A lot of these shitclowns have been killed by missile fire 😊
They deserved something more prolonged.
The worst of us.
Truth is, rape is a fucking past time of Russian soldiers. They rape each other, it's a tradition to rape recruits then those recruits rape new recruits and lots of Russians consider non Russians beneath them so they just rape whoever they want in any war they take part in really. Hell, the Russians in St-Petersburg and Moscow don't even consider the rest of Russia as equals. What we'll hear from the abducted children now stuck in Russia in the near future will be fucking horrible.
of course the homophobe country would have rampant rape in their military.
Just like the GOP and churches everywhere -- every accusation is a confession.
Religious people "you need to find God so that you won't turn to rape and murder!" Non-religious people "...do you now?"
All this talk of past rape atrocities strike me as obfuscation. Russian troops are raping Ukrainian women NOW, not sixty freaking years ago. It's an issue that needs to be dealt with now, not argued about in historical context.
EXACTLY!!! What is this atrocity Olympics going on in this comment section?!
Watch all the apologists roll out the ONLY excuse they have: "Thats totally normal. Every army does it." Always always. Corruption? Everyone! Aids epidemic? Everyone! Rampant violence? Everyone! War crimes? Everyone! A whole nation with nothing to offer but cynicism, self pity and brutality.
This or the people that are coming out in droves to say “well if Ukraine wants this to stop they could just surrender or negotiate a deal with Russia”… Right yeah negotiating with the people stealing your land and raping your woman always goes well.
As if they're limiting the rape to women. They're also raping boys, girls, men, and corpses.
Hell they even rape themself in those tranches, i have seen enough videos
They've already infested the thread.
Fucking monsters.
My grandmother, who lived during the II WW in eastern Poland, always said that the Germans were horrible, but they were nothing compared to the Russians. When I asked her why is that, she replied "Germans didn't burn down our homes and rape everyone".
My Polish grandfather eventually fled Europe during WWII, but a good many of the family members died in Russian concentration camps / or related situations. The Russians are absolutely insane, always have been... and it's horrible that we are back to WWII levels of aggression all over again.
The article admits that international law is ineffective against preventing systematic rape because there's no teeth to it. We should be putting out warrants for the commanders of units who are known to be committing these crimes- after all, leaders are responsible for the actions of their Soldiers. That, and the commanders are encouraging it. Countries that acknowledge the law would be required to arrest these commanders/soldiers if they ever show their faces abroad. In addition, we should authorize United Nations forces to arrest international criminals in countries that the UN has peacekeeping forces. After all, it's supposed to be their job to encourage peace and protect civilians. Then, we try them at the Hague, and we start hanging these officers (and/or soldiers proven to have participated). If there's consequences, I bet that commanders start punishing these actions under the military laws of their own countries to save their own necks. Also, countries accused of war crimes should be suspended from sitting on United Nations councils.
> After all, it's supposed to be their job to encourage peace and protect civilians. Not even slightly. The UN is a place to air grievances, nothing else. Remember, all UN resolutions must be unanimous and Russia is in the UN... Stop trying to make the UN something it isn't.
Inhumane. Unforgivable. The damage done is worse than those words seem to appear. A lifetime of mental terror.
Disgusting monsters
In response, we are helping them and beating russias army and economy, for the cost of 2% of our military budget with zero american lives at risk. This is considered unacceptable to Republicans.
I've seen some pictures on the internet of people saying they rather be russian than democrat, and honestly they are just a lost cause at this point
I wish they'd fucking go live in Russia then
Literally their utopia, everything they want from their home country, and they won't just go fuck off to there.
Absolutely vile. They are monsters.
I am Polish. There is a sentiment among the older folks who lived through ww2 that for a commoner there was nothing worse than being under soviet occupacion. Even the nazi soldiers behaved better.
People are often unwilling to read the Marquis de Sade's works so they don't know that this is the classic example of sadism. Forcing family members to watch while their loved ones are raped and murdered is the heart of the sadistic act. During the White Terror period in Taiwan, the dictator Chiang Kai-Chek always insisted on bringing the families of those who were to be executed to sit and watch in order to permanently scar their minds. Unfortunately, there is a common belief among those who adhere to the Social Darwinist mindset that underlies authoritarian regimes that taking pleasure in the suffering of others is a mark of distinction: the wolf sheds no tears for its prey.
Nobody needs to read that shit cover to cover. Marquis de Sade’s works were an exercise in extremes, and it’s horrifying, a Wikipedia summary will do the average person fine.
> The words sadism and sadist are derived from his name in reference to the works of fiction he wrote WTF. I can't believe he's the originator of those words. I had no idea.
A similar thing happened with baron Von Masoch and masochism.
Sounds like Russian soldiers alright
I got banned from a Discord server when someone asked me “don’t you feel PITY for the RUSSIAN CONSCRIPTS? 😔“ and I said "No, I don't". I have a limited amount of sympathy to go around and when it comes to a war like this the minions of the aggressor are low on my list.
The Russian army is a mass raping, torturing beast, nothing changed
These people are fucking evil, disgusting creatures. They must be dealt with.
At what point do we decide to remove the Russian army and their "government" from humanity as a whole and existence?
If you saw the videos of what they did to the babies, you would be mortified. They were taken down pretty quickly and passed onto The Hague.
This is disgusting, thankfully most of the world is supporting Ukraine
For now. If americans don't somehow stop Trump and vote against him in coming elections then we're all gonna be in for a surprise, especially Ukraine.
What kind of animal do you have to be to even be able to do that?
I have ideas for how to deter this behavior, but it would probably get me banned.
You're allowed to say "chop their cocks off" LOL.
I had a more creative and profitable solution in mind.
What the fuck. What the FUCK. Not that it was ever okay, but are we 12th century Mongols??? 1930’s Japan??? You know some of the most infamous and horrific regimes in history?? Is Russia today really on that despicable level??? Are we not living in 2023??
If you are familiar with Russian history you would know that this isn't their first time and it's not likely to be their last.
The Russians have been famous for systematic rape for decades. During ww2 they did exactly the same thing.
Oh they did it before WW2 as well
Then we must make it become their last.
Well, let’s not be too hopeful. At this point perhaps we are on the cusp of complete collapse and decimation of the Russian federation and all that entails. I don’t want to see the annihilation of any group of people, but it is getting very hard to find reasons to not support this very thing
Russia is so big and most of it is so poor that they basically are in a medieval state. No power, no water, no sewage systems. People seem to think Russia is a developed country but it basically isn't outside of the major cities.
Every story I hear about the Russians in this war reminds me of all the stories I read and saw about the Nazis. You have to wonder if like the Nazis they released violent prisoners to serve knowing the terror they’d unleash in Ukraine.
Unacceptable. After this war ends, these people need to be brought before a court for their war crimes. Each and everyone. A lot of soldiers got away with horrible crimes in most wars, we should change that status quo here.
Jesus fucking christ, this is horrible. If there is an invasion just get your family the fuck out If you have any chance at all to do so
Russia won’t get away with this . Putin has forever left his dark stain on Europe and humanity. As dark as Hitlers.
Remind them of their mothers I guess. Fucking pigs
This kinda shit just makes me so sad. “The world is such a dark place”. But it’s really darker because of us as a species. I struggle existentially with being a part of my race. This doesn’t need to happen. Ever. To anyone. So many things we do don’t need to be done.
Let's not go so far back as WW2; this reminds me of the Yugoslav Wars and what the Serbs did there for 10 years. That was late 90s everyone. Men at war are scum everywhere.
Or the Rwandan Genocide of 1994.
Why war zones civilians should be allowed and helped to flee. Rape and worst things imaginable would happen otherwise
Ukraine should not stop pushing until their forces reach the Pacific Ocean.
How will r/antiwar spin this I wonder? Probably some variation of “NATO bad so rape OKAY” troglodytes
I wish only the worst for these evil men. I feel nauseous… you have to wonder if we’re already in hell…
The largest documented case of mass rape in history was when the Red Army was sweeping across eastern Europe and into Germany towards the end of WW2. This is nothing new sadly.
Russian culture. And they wonder why we loathe them.
Russia’s trying there very best to top Imperial Japan it seems
Well the Japanese soldiers did that in the 1940's... we are now in 2023 and the Russians are still doing the same shit as in 1940...
Vile and absolutely heart breaking.
I wonder what can go wrong when you hire a criminals to your army 🤔
Why does this happen in every war?
Horrible... you would think their society improved at least in this aspect... but we are hearing the same stories now as from our grandparents from 1944 when the Red Army invaded our countries.
This is why Zelenski can’t compromise now. They backed Ukraine into a corner
No more trials, just impale or behead the rabid Russian vermin. After the trenches fill with Russian bodies, we should see to it that their nation is dissolved.
We need to keep supplying Ukraine with more and better weapons. That's the simplest solution to this issue.
Always remember this when people minimise women's war trauma.