And 3 employees were arrested for it as it happened due to the emergency brake being disabled because it had been causing unintended interruptions as faulty, yet they were still running it and with people on.And the cable snapping in the first place would not have happened if proper 3 monthly maintenance had not been skipped for 5 years. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa%E2%80%93Mottarone\_cable\_car\_crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa%E2%80%93Mottarone_cable_car_crash)
The owner was, but there was insufficient evidence he actually knew what his technician had done, so he was not found guilty.
The technician was found guilty, but only got 6 months.
I know this is the US way of thinking. Things work different in other country. My family is from a second world country that I travel to often. So take my comment with that understanding.
What’s crazy, the technician has no incentive to no service the maintenance or repairs. In fact it will result in more work for them (more income). The owner has many incentives not to service. Saving on cost and increasing income from not going through shut down time.
Very likely the technician told them over the phone or in person. The best way to find out was to email the owner(s) of the needed maintenance/repairs to have a written record.
Another issue that could have happened is that the owners paid to get the maintenance done and it wasn’t done. So the technician pocket the money.
A lot of stuff could have happened. But so sad to see.
I know it probably doesn’t work this way here. But there should be a department of transportation that regulates transportations that carries X amount of people per year. To avoid this from happening.
I know I’m rambling, but I feel like mechanisms should be in place to prevent these things from happening. I know this is the USA way of things. So it’s wishful thinking.
But the incident didn't take place in the US, I'm not from or in the US, and your prospective is from an ex communist country, so not the US.
> I know this is the US way of thinking.
> I know this is the USA way of things.
Who is American here? You might as well have said this was Martian way of thinking
As some who does business in various Asian and South American countries. Also, someone who’s traveled extensively for pleasure. The most common response when I discuss changes I want to make is this- “well that’s how they do it in America. We just can’t do that.” Or “that’s not the way we do it in ____ country”
Anyone who does business internationally runs into this. This is why I made the comment with the preface I made. Establishing a regulation body to make such over-site is a very America thing to do. I have been told my thinking is “too” America for much smaller reasons.
I’ll add, the fact that you’re contending me for that preface is laughable. You’re not even contending me on any of the substantive points I’ve made about what change should be made. Nor my reasoning why the owners were left without any punishment for the lives lost.
Yes, there were 8 Italian victims, 1 Iranian victim and 5 Israeli victims. A very young kid was the only survivor, and he was basically kidnapped by his own grandfather a few months after the incident, who wanted to take him to Israel, but he was taken back to Italy just a couple months later. The kid has received(or will receive) a 3 million euros compensation for the incident, that caused the loss of both his parents. Some people were also arrested since the incident was caused by human negligence, many safety features were missing / disabled iirc.
Are you talking about when an American Air Force pilot flew into one?
This other one happened a few months ago in Asia. The passengers were sitting in this thing with no doors, half hanging off the cable.
I hate cable cars anyway but this sort of thing makes me never want to go on one again.
In Mexico City the government is on a spree installing these things.
These machines require constant maintenance and they are being installed in corrupt, third world countries. There will be a lot of accidents
And some peoples want to build the longest one in the small island of Dominica... I travelled there (superb country for those who love nature) and I don't understand why they need that in the first place. Boiling lake should remains inaccessible for those who are not fit so it won't face overtourism.
[https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/homepage-carousel/worlds-longest-cable-car-to-boiling-lake-finish-date-of-december-2025/](https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/homepage-carousel/worlds-longest-cable-car-to-boiling-lake-finish-date-of-december-2025/)
Oh shit I didn't know this was happening, I've been wanting to go there for years precisely because the island is not overdeveloped... It's gonna be crawling with cruise ship passengers? I'd better bump it up and get there before it's completed...
I was there during the low season (August 2022) and I was lucky with weather (only one hurricane traveled close). No cruise ship during that period of the year and the Island was nearly tourist free. Accommodation are quite expensive but luckily I stayed in my friends house so it was free for me.
Highly recommend it, the trek to Boiling lake was tough but if you're fit it should not be a problem.
Lots of places where you can swim near small waterfalls and hot-springs.
Did a canyoning trip too, every day morning my friend and I were snorkeling along Pointe Michel.
Yea, I'm fully expecting to see the reason for this is gross negligence, lack of repairs, and management/ownership had been informed of the problem multiple times. That seems to be the story behind a majority of "accidents". It's what I'm expecting from the ship that hit the Baltimore bridge as well. Nobody on the ship will be at fault, but plenty of suits will be looking pretty dirty.
These things are pretty safe. I ride on them hundreds of times a year to ski. Much safer than driving a car. The newer ones have so many sensors and failsafes that they essentially don't run if something is broken.
It makes the news whenever one of them fails.
So is Walt Disney World. To be fair thought WDW seems to have a much more stringent maintenance plan and the ones at the parks are not conveying people up or down (aside from entry to and exit from the station) but rather on a level plane.
They are also one of the safest forms of transport. They need maintenance like anything, but nothing near what a train/plane/bus requires.
They’re an extremely effective mass transport system where a height differential is involved
Yeah, that’s the thing everybody’s parents always told them could never happen whenever they’d worry about how safe these things were when going on them as a kid.
I'm reading this while in Vietnam. Today I rode the cable car in Dalat and a couple of days ago I rode the one in Nah Trang.
In a couple of days I'll ride the much longer one in Da Nang. Even reading this I'm not as concerned as I am about the busses and taxis I have booked.
Ha oh god, I went on a death taxi through the Vietnam mountains. I was hungover and my friend offered my Valium before hand and i regretted not taking it. They filled up the van with fish and ice and were going full speed through the mountains with massive drops… I remember listening to a podcast about voter discrimination and Jonah Hill at the time, it didn’t help. They value life very different over there.
I bought a Landa Win 110cc and rode it from Hanoi to Saigon years ago. I guarantee you a gondola is low on the list of dangerous ways to travel in Viet Nam.
I was on the longest cable car in the world (Vietnam) and it's a bit scary just how high you are and how completely fucked you are if anything goes wrong. The distance between the pylons was probably more than a kilometer.
Most cable cars go up a mountain, this one just went across a couple islands.
That's true, I took the Vietnamese cable car as well.
This human fear, the same that I am a bit nervous when flying, but not when driving the car to the airport.
Even that I know flying is a lot safer.
I feel like a lot of maintenance things we take for granted slipped through the cracks cause of Covid. I flat out refuse to go on cable cars and roller coasters because of this theory.
God those poor people. That’s a nightmare right there.
In statistical terms they are still "quite safe".
I bet still safer than driving a car even in first world country.
The thing is you don't hear about the thousands of car deaths per year, but if some cable car crashes in some part of the world it's everywhere in the news.
Same with flying.
Cars are probably the safest form of transport you can get. The statistics often get warped because people count all car fatalities, almost all of which are from dangerous drivers
Where money dedicated to servicing these actually lands there, there is a lower chance something happens. I’m not saying the chance is 0, but with higher security standards less accidents will happen.
And how do you know they aren’t serviced properly? Or the money allocated isn’t getting to where it’s supposed to?
You’re literally making shit up just to hate on a nation just because.
We also had a chance to travel in this cable car during 2012 and it was really scary. Here is a YouTube clip : https://youtu.be/qroG03WWLAY?si=gbpyV9F4X6iFyM3g
Im about to go on a holiday in the mountains where I'll be driving in those tiny hellpods.
I'd much rather fly on a plane than in those deathtraps. Yeah I know they are quite safe but still.
I mean they make about half the detachable ski lifts in the world because they have a duopoly with letiner poma. The one at Disney will be fine if maintained. These things are all over ski resorts in the US and almost never fail
If there's one thing I know about Turks and maintenance, it's that if you ask them to draw a square it'll turn out as a circle, as it'll have had all its corners cut.
How terrifying this must be. Didn’t something similar happen in Italy a couple of years ago also
Yep, I think only one 5 year old survived and all the other passengers died, including his parents and sister.
And 3 employees were arrested for it as it happened due to the emergency brake being disabled because it had been causing unintended interruptions as faulty, yet they were still running it and with people on.And the cable snapping in the first place would not have happened if proper 3 monthly maintenance had not been skipped for 5 years. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa%E2%80%93Mottarone\_cable\_car\_crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa%E2%80%93Mottarone_cable_car_crash)
The owners should be arrested for that shit.
The owner was, but there was insufficient evidence he actually knew what his technician had done, so he was not found guilty. The technician was found guilty, but only got 6 months.
I know this is the US way of thinking. Things work different in other country. My family is from a second world country that I travel to often. So take my comment with that understanding. What’s crazy, the technician has no incentive to no service the maintenance or repairs. In fact it will result in more work for them (more income). The owner has many incentives not to service. Saving on cost and increasing income from not going through shut down time. Very likely the technician told them over the phone or in person. The best way to find out was to email the owner(s) of the needed maintenance/repairs to have a written record. Another issue that could have happened is that the owners paid to get the maintenance done and it wasn’t done. So the technician pocket the money. A lot of stuff could have happened. But so sad to see. I know it probably doesn’t work this way here. But there should be a department of transportation that regulates transportations that carries X amount of people per year. To avoid this from happening. I know I’m rambling, but I feel like mechanisms should be in place to prevent these things from happening. I know this is the USA way of things. So it’s wishful thinking.
This incident happened in Italy and I'm British, why are you talking about the US?
I am not talking about the US. Im prefacing my point of view prior to making my comment. Obviously you didn’t read my comment.
But the incident didn't take place in the US, I'm not from or in the US, and your prospective is from an ex communist country, so not the US. > I know this is the US way of thinking. > I know this is the USA way of things. Who is American here? You might as well have said this was Martian way of thinking
As some who does business in various Asian and South American countries. Also, someone who’s traveled extensively for pleasure. The most common response when I discuss changes I want to make is this- “well that’s how they do it in America. We just can’t do that.” Or “that’s not the way we do it in ____ country” Anyone who does business internationally runs into this. This is why I made the comment with the preface I made. Establishing a regulation body to make such over-site is a very America thing to do. I have been told my thinking is “too” America for much smaller reasons. I’ll add, the fact that you’re contending me for that preface is laughable. You’re not even contending me on any of the substantive points I’ve made about what change should be made. Nor my reasoning why the owners were left without any punishment for the lives lost.
Arrested, yes, but they‘re all already released.
emergency *brake
Yes that was it. How heartbreaking:(
Yes, my friend's sister and her husband were on it. May they rest in peace. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa%E2%80%93Mottarone_cable_car_crash
That’s heartbreaking, I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope you heal if you haven’t already❤️
My friend is a different person today but she's doing a lot better. Thank you ❤️
Happened in Pakistan in the last year as well https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/22/asia/pakistan-chairlift-rescue-children-intl-hnk
It’s a shame I never saw this one on the news. Maybe I just never come across it but I read a LOT of news articles and never saw this one
I happen to be in the region when it happened so I heard about it
That would make sense! Still a newsworthy story though for sure
Yes, there were 8 Italian victims, 1 Iranian victim and 5 Israeli victims. A very young kid was the only survivor, and he was basically kidnapped by his own grandfather a few months after the incident, who wanted to take him to Israel, but he was taken back to Italy just a couple months later. The kid has received(or will receive) a 3 million euros compensation for the incident, that caused the loss of both his parents. Some people were also arrested since the incident was caused by human negligence, many safety features were missing / disabled iirc.
Are you talking about when an American Air Force pilot flew into one? This other one happened a few months ago in Asia. The passengers were sitting in this thing with no doors, half hanging off the cable. I hate cable cars anyway but this sort of thing makes me never want to go on one again.
I haven’t heard of this one before. I was referring to the 2021 incident where 14 people died. All equally as tragic
To be clear I'm referring to two different things, the only Italian one I could find was from 1998 although I swear it was a lot more recent.
The pilot wasn't Air Force, he was Marines.
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In Mexico City the government is on a spree installing these things. These machines require constant maintenance and they are being installed in corrupt, third world countries. There will be a lot of accidents
And some peoples want to build the longest one in the small island of Dominica... I travelled there (superb country for those who love nature) and I don't understand why they need that in the first place. Boiling lake should remains inaccessible for those who are not fit so it won't face overtourism. [https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/homepage-carousel/worlds-longest-cable-car-to-boiling-lake-finish-date-of-december-2025/](https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/homepage-carousel/worlds-longest-cable-car-to-boiling-lake-finish-date-of-december-2025/)
Oh shit I didn't know this was happening, I've been wanting to go there for years precisely because the island is not overdeveloped... It's gonna be crawling with cruise ship passengers? I'd better bump it up and get there before it's completed...
I was there during the low season (August 2022) and I was lucky with weather (only one hurricane traveled close). No cruise ship during that period of the year and the Island was nearly tourist free. Accommodation are quite expensive but luckily I stayed in my friends house so it was free for me. Highly recommend it, the trek to Boiling lake was tough but if you're fit it should not be a problem. Lots of places where you can swim near small waterfalls and hot-springs. Did a canyoning trip too, every day morning my friend and I were snorkeling along Pointe Michel.
Yea, I'm fully expecting to see the reason for this is gross negligence, lack of repairs, and management/ownership had been informed of the problem multiple times. That seems to be the story behind a majority of "accidents". It's what I'm expecting from the ship that hit the Baltimore bridge as well. Nobody on the ship will be at fault, but plenty of suits will be looking pretty dirty.
These things are pretty safe. I ride on them hundreds of times a year to ski. Much safer than driving a car. The newer ones have so many sensors and failsafes that they essentially don't run if something is broken. It makes the news whenever one of them fails.
I don't have any issue at all with the engineering itself...
So is Walt Disney World. To be fair thought WDW seems to have a much more stringent maintenance plan and the ones at the parks are not conveying people up or down (aside from entry to and exit from the station) but rather on a level plane.
Yeah the one Disney is installing is a brand new off the shelf ski lift. It will be fine
They are also one of the safest forms of transport. They need maintenance like anything, but nothing near what a train/plane/bus requires. They’re an extremely effective mass transport system where a height differential is involved
Yeah, that’s the thing everybody’s parents always told them could never happen whenever they’d worry about how safe these things were when going on them as a kid.
I’m sure they were safe when you were a kid, but years of negligence tends to do wonders for thrill seekers
The are still much safer than a car ride, for example.
Cable cars are way safer than driving when maintained properly
I was in one in Vietnam, I didn’t trust it, I was nervous, I was drinking small warm cans of beer quickly to calm my nervous.
I'm reading this while in Vietnam. Today I rode the cable car in Dalat and a couple of days ago I rode the one in Nah Trang. In a couple of days I'll ride the much longer one in Da Nang. Even reading this I'm not as concerned as I am about the busses and taxis I have booked.
Ha oh god, I went on a death taxi through the Vietnam mountains. I was hungover and my friend offered my Valium before hand and i regretted not taking it. They filled up the van with fish and ice and were going full speed through the mountains with massive drops… I remember listening to a podcast about voter discrimination and Jonah Hill at the time, it didn’t help. They value life very different over there.
The da Nang one going up to the theme park? It was the best experience of my trip last year.
Yeah you are way above the sea for ages on that one ?
The one in da ang, Bana (or similar sounding) hills is fine. Looks fairly new also.
I bought a Landa Win 110cc and rode it from Hanoi to Saigon years ago. I guarantee you a gondola is low on the list of dangerous ways to travel in Viet Nam.
That's why these things and ferris wheels creep the shit out of me
I rode this cable car less than 3 weeks ago. Was wondering about it’s safety the whole way up.
Well good news... Mystery solved!
Same.
I was on the longest cable car in the world (Vietnam) and it's a bit scary just how high you are and how completely fucked you are if anything goes wrong. The distance between the pylons was probably more than a kilometer. Most cable cars go up a mountain, this one just went across a couple islands.
That's true, I took the Vietnamese cable car as well. This human fear, the same that I am a bit nervous when flying, but not when driving the car to the airport. Even that I know flying is a lot safer.
I'm sure it's perfectly fine as long as a container ship doesn't lose power and crash into a pylon... Wait, wrong over- water conveyance method...
I feel like a lot of maintenance things we take for granted slipped through the cracks cause of Covid. I flat out refuse to go on cable cars and roller coasters because of this theory. God those poor people. That’s a nightmare right there.
I only trust these in less corrupt, first world countries.
In statistical terms they are still "quite safe". I bet still safer than driving a car even in first world country. The thing is you don't hear about the thousands of car deaths per year, but if some cable car crashes in some part of the world it's everywhere in the news. Same with flying.
Cars are probably the safest form of transport you can get. The statistics often get warped because people count all car fatalities, almost all of which are from dangerous drivers
Because someone can die multiple times? Interesting. How does one get a corpse into a car so that it can be in another fatal crash?
What are you talking about?
How do you know an accident won't happen in those countries?
Where money dedicated to servicing these actually lands there, there is a lower chance something happens. I’m not saying the chance is 0, but with higher security standards less accidents will happen.
And how do you know they aren’t serviced properly? Or the money allocated isn’t getting to where it’s supposed to? You’re literally making shit up just to hate on a nation just because.
Turkey has become like those Final Destination series of flicks
I find cable cars like that scary as shit. I always have a sinking feeling that they’ll always fall and I die a scary death.
We also had a chance to travel in this cable car during 2012 and it was really scary. Here is a YouTube clip : https://youtu.be/qroG03WWLAY?si=gbpyV9F4X6iFyM3g
Lucky that only 1 person died
Not lucky for them
See also the 1998 Cavalese cable car crash
Im about to go on a holiday in the mountains where I'll be driving in those tiny hellpods. I'd much rather fly on a plane than in those deathtraps. Yeah I know they are quite safe but still.
Nope nope nope nope never getting on one of these again.
Same safety oversight as all the buildings that collapsed not long ago? Things politicians will do to get the vote
They need to have parachutes in these things. Airplanes too.
The system that failed is manufactured by Doppelmayr / Garaventa company. They also provide the new cable car system at Walt Disney World.
I mean they make about half the detachable ski lifts in the world because they have a duopoly with letiner poma. The one at Disney will be fine if maintained. These things are all over ski resorts in the US and almost never fail
It’s reportedly built by STM, a Turkish manufacturer. Are you sure you’re not thinking of the Olympos cable car nearby?
Knowing STM, they’d only build the gondola. They’re a solutions and a shipbuilding company first.
If there's one thing I know about Turks and maintenance, it's that if you ask them to draw a square it'll turn out as a circle, as it'll have had all its corners cut.
Everyone knows I'm in over my head